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[01:11:17] <dto> hi all
[01:11:26] <matt0> hey dto
[01:11:35] <Colourless> hi again
[01:14:16] <dto> just got back from a bit of shopping.
[01:14:49] <dto> hehe, reading back about "savage empire/martian dreams" stuff. why didn't the guy just look for it on ebay, are they hard to find?
[01:15:43] <Colourless> yeah, they are
[01:15:52] <Colourless> (hard to find)
[01:16:05] <dto> ooh. maybe i should auction mine then eh? I don't even have the drives to read them anymore.
[01:18:54] <matt0> hehe
[01:19:07] <matt0> are those games even "real" Ultima games? or do they just have the label slapped on them
[01:19:26] <Colourless> Martian Dream has the shadow lords in it
[01:19:40] <dto> matt0: they use the u6 engine, and star the avatar plus various other folks. there are moongates etc.
[01:20:03] <matt0> I see
[01:20:11] <Colourless> they are as much ultimas as Underworld 1 is :)
[01:20:22] <Colourless> maybe a bit more even
[01:20:23] <dto> not bad actually. i played a good chunk of Savage Empire... very dense with little quests and such, in the way only rpg's of that era could be
[01:20:35] <dto> none of this Final Fantasy VII stuff
[01:20:46] <Colourless> Ultimas are REAL RPGs :)
[01:22:14] <dto> some of the TSR roleplaying came close, although not in terms of story/interactive world... in terms of items and complex battle/magic... kind of another side of the coin
[01:22:51] <Colourless> combat and magic have never been a good part of ultimas, but that was never their focus though.
[01:22:57] <dto> Ravenloft I was decent ( I looove gothic ), however Menzoberranzan and Ravenloft 2 didn't quite do it.
[01:23:41] <dto> Colourless: right... ultimas are the chocolate, tsr was the vanilla, but what was the strawberry in the box of neapolitan ice cream that was rpgs back then?
[01:24:43] <Colourless> I must admit though, the magic system in Ultima 8 was pretty interesting.
[01:24:52] <matt0> hehe Castle Ravenloft? remember them? hehe Tradewars and stuff
[01:25:28] <dto> the ravenloft PC game was pretty good. i especially liked the music and the spells.
[01:25:34] <dto> i never did tradewars
[01:26:00] <dto> Colourless: yes, so good was the pagan magic system that it mysteriously found its way into britannia in U9
[01:26:04] <dto> :-)
[01:26:52] <dto> I thought U8 had a surprising amount of depth despite its flaws... I didn't like U9 much at all, though.
[01:27:22] <matt0> maybe I should try U9 on my new video card.. it might be better
[01:27:46] <dto> I wrote a review of it, if anyone is interested.
[01:27:58] <matt0> a writer, eh? good for you
[01:28:03] <matt0> I like to write myself
[01:28:07] <dto> http://dto.qwsi.net/rants/ultimasucks.html
[01:28:21] <dto> (long, some spoilers)
[01:33:17] <matt0> sucks, eh? hehe
[01:33:19] <matt0> spoilers? =(
[01:33:21] <Colourless> :)
[01:33:48] <dto> matt0: minor ones, if any
[01:34:10] <Colourless> yeah, they are pretty minor
[01:35:05] <Colourless> i pretty much agree with everything you wrote.
[01:35:31] <dto> You should see my review of phantom menace :-) now THAT is a bitchfest.
[01:36:22] <Colourless> heh
[01:38:42] <dto> i wish they had done what the U8 hint book says... it tells you that "the avatar walks through the black gate, and into the guardian's homeworld" at the end of Pagan.
[01:38:54] <dto> that would have been interesting. BTW did you finish U9?
[01:39:16] <Colourless> me? Yes i did
[01:39:51] <dto> Who is the Guardian? Where does he come from, what is the whole deal with him?
[01:40:05] <Colourless> they say the reason they didn't do the guardians homeworld was because the fans didn't want another Ultima away from britannia
[01:40:12] <Colourless> dto: that is like a major spoiler
[01:40:43] <Colourless> i'll privately tell you
[01:40:48] <dto> ok
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[20:44:22] <chimera|wookin> ...
[20:45:15] <wjp> ,,,
[20:45:23] <chimera|wookin> hehe I knew you were around!
[20:45:28] <chimera|wookin> i just sent more spam to the exult mailing list
[20:45:35] <wjp> goodie :-)
[20:45:37] * wjp checks mail
[20:45:50] * wjp checks mail again
[20:45:54] <chimera|wookin> Apple ][gs related, but I did get a chance to talk about my Ultima 4 clone I wrote for the ][gs hehe
[20:46:00] <chimera|wookin> so I tied it in =]
[20:46:06] <wjp> :-)
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[22:53:06] <chimera|wookin> Blackthorn!!!!!
[22:53:25] <chimera|wookin> wie gehts?
[22:57:46] * wjp yawns
[22:58:00] <wjp> 1am... guess I should go to bed :/
[22:58:12] <chimera|wookin> hehe no!!!
[22:58:14] <chimera|wookin> hehe
[22:58:15] <wjp> I have learning to do tomorrow :-)
[22:58:48] <wjp> anyway, enjoy your wook :-)
[22:58:50] <wjp> bye
[22:58:53] <chimera|wookin> bye
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