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[09:21:10] * Darke bows. "Hi all."
[09:21:14] * Wumpus waves to darke
[09:21:30] * Wumpus pokes darke... the last CVS I grabbed didn't compile, should I blame you? :-)
[09:21:45] <Darke> It depends. <grin> When did you grab it?
[09:22:01] <Wumpus> two days ago, pretty much exactly :)
[09:22:37] * Darke watches almost every file in mapedit/ get updated. His next commit will almost certainly be one full of std::s...
[09:23:35] <Wumpus> it was some error which was entirely too long for me to write down, and i just nuked the tree, but seemed to involve entirely too many types for its own good :P
[09:23:45] <Darke> Wumpus: Hmm... it might be me, but not likely, I've only non-compile broken it, AFAIK, on windows with mingw. Everywhere else it has apparently worked fine. It could be me, if you have a rather old version of gcc...
[09:23:59] <Wumpus> hehe :)
[09:24:02] <Wumpus> define old :P
[09:24:11] * Wumpus will try current CVS
[09:24:41] <Darke> 2.95.3 IIRC is the version of gcc that mingw uses. I happened to use a feature of the C++ std lib, that wasn't supported at that time.
[09:25:36] * Wumpus has 2.95.4
[09:27:08] <Wumpus> which is the most recent in the debian `gcc' package (as opposed to gcc-3.0)
[09:28:37] * Darke nods.
[09:29:03] * Wumpus wanders off to watch stuff with mum, will see if its collapsed in a flaming heap when i get back
[09:29:25] <Darke> <grin> It shouldn't. It works 'fine' under windows at the moment.
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[09:35:23] <Wumpus> .... or not
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[09:41:59] <sbx> Once again, I have arrived.
[09:42:06] <sbx> hello
[09:42:32] <Darke> Hello again. And again, I see you are living up to the /topic. <grin>
[09:43:06] <sbx> ?
[09:43:11] <sbx> .. oh :P
[09:43:21] * Darke grins.
[09:43:23] <sbx> Have you fixed Exult yet?
[09:43:45] <sbx> I havn't tried it but it seemed like you had... broken parts of it or something.
[09:44:28] <Darke> Me? I didn't break exult! It works _perfectly_ for me! <innocentgrin> It still appears to work, or at least there aren't any complaints from the mingw users anymore...
[09:44:48] <Kirben> yep no complaints here
[09:46:00] <Wumpus> its made it to Paperdoll_gump_info.cc, if thats any comfort :P
[09:49:03] <sbx> Wumpus did you get a faster computer yet?
[09:50:49] <Wumpus> no, *sigh*, still here, still no job, hence no new computer
[09:51:15] <Wumpus> (its not a money issue, its an `i'd rather get a new computer when i know where i'll be' issue
[09:52:49] <sbx> :-|
[09:59:18] <Wumpus> hmm
[09:59:22] <Wumpus> mozilla runs like a doooog
[09:59:28] <Wumpus> or at least, starts up like adog
[09:59:47] <sbx> no it runs like one too
[10:00:12] <sbx> if a dog is slow
[10:00:59] <Wumpus> this onei s :P
[10:01:05] * Wumpus snarls
[10:01:18] <Wumpus> all the A class networks from 68 to 79 (inclusive) seem to be inaccessible :-(
[10:01:29] <Wumpus> from inside uni, that is :(
[10:02:59] <sbx> What is the best way in ANSI-C to access only a subset of a string, starting at a specific character offset somewhere in the center of the string?
[10:04:05] <Wumpus> substr isn't it?
[10:04:20] <Wumpus> d'oh
[10:04:21] <Wumpus> looks like i've gotten too used to perl or something, hehe
[10:05:02] <sbx> This is what i usually do: charpointer + index
[10:05:09] <sbx> but Darke hates that :P
[10:05:29] <Wumpus> yeah, thats alright too of course
[10:05:29] <Wumpus> hmm why?
[10:05:49] * Wumpus thought you were trying to extract a subtring neatly :P but if you just need to be able to start at a given point, that seems perfectly reasonable
[10:07:13] <sbx> well strcpy(dest, src+i) works too i think
[10:08:26] <sbx> Seems simple to me, but maybe it's considered ... obfuscated.
[10:08:37] <sbx> :-)
[10:08:39] <Wumpus> but what is darke's issue with charpointer+i ?
[10:08:47] <Wumpus> (and how is that strcpy thing different?)
[10:08:48] <sbx> <-- has tons of obfuscated code anyway so shouldnt care
[10:09:15] <sbx> i forgot why he shuns it, but its probably a good reason
[10:09:16] <Wumpus> (in any case, you probably want strdup...)
[10:09:24] <Wumpus> (strcpy doesn't allocate....)
[10:09:36] <sbx> the strcpy thing meant that even if you wanted to extract a substring neatly you could use string + index
[10:09:45] <sbx> yeah you'd have to allocate it
[10:09:52] <sbx> I hardly ever use strdup for some reason
[10:10:04] <Wumpus> strdup was a very nice discovery when i foundi t :)
[10:10:37] * Wumpus notes strndup....
[10:10:47] <Wumpus> (Respectively strncpy)
[10:11:00] <sbx> Well when I first saw it used, I was already using malloc+strcpy so I have never gotten out of that habit
[10:11:01] <Wumpus> depends whether you want the whole rest of the string or just a substring from the middle, i guess :)
[10:11:06] <sbx> strndup?
[10:11:23] <Wumpus> strndup/strncpy <-- like strcpy and strdup, except you specify how many characters (at most) to copy/duplicate
[10:11:44] <sbx> Yeah I've used strncpy maybe... twice, but never strndup :)
[10:12:04] * Wumpus only saw it just then, hehe :) its on the same man page as strdup
[10:13:03] <sbx> My man pages must be out of date
[10:13:13] <Wumpus> hehe, possibly... or just differnet... *Shrug*
[10:13:29] <sbx> I appear to have the function
[10:13:31] <sbx> neat
[10:13:32] <sbx> hehe
[10:13:52] <Wumpus> CONFORMING TO ... strndup() is a GNU extension
[10:14:52] <sbx> Ok, I found it in the libc info doc :-)
[10:15:18] * sbx kicks his man system.
[10:15:23] <sbx> ...
[10:15:39] * sbx kicks his manual pages.
[10:15:43] <sbx> :P
[10:15:54] * Wumpus kicks sbx's automatic pages
[10:16:23] <sbx> Heh ...
[10:16:26] <sbx> Have you used stpcpy?
[10:16:55] <sbx> It is right under that... and returns a pointer to the end of dest.
[10:17:38] <Wumpus> hmm, how... useful
[10:17:44] * Wumpus grins at the "CONFORMING TO" paragraph
[10:18:04] <sbx> Says info: "This function is not part of the ISO or POSIX standards, and is not customary on Unix systems, but we did not invent it either. Perhaps it comes from MS-DOG."
[10:18:10] <Wumpus> indeed :-)
[10:18:46] <Wumpus> except for s/we did not invent it/its not a GNU invention/ :P
[10:18:53] <Wumpus> s/its/is/
[10:18:56] <Wumpus> whatever :P
[10:20:37] <Wumpus> bah
[10:20:44] * Wumpus growls at mozilla and hits sbx with it
[10:24:58] * sbx dies, very very sloowly.
[10:25:33] * sbx gets impatient waiting for death and does 'killall -9 mozilla'.
[10:33:12] <Wumpus> do you use latex at all? do you know if there's an easy way to convert it to plain text? (short of just stripping out all the formatting commands...)
[10:35:55] <sbx> no
[10:36:36] <sbx> its not even installed :-(
[10:38:07] <Wumpus> hmm
[10:38:08] <Wumpus> there's untex
[10:38:56] <Wumpus> ... which is pretty much useless
[10:39:18] <sbx> Useless? Doesn't it Un-Tex'ify?
[10:39:36] * sbx doesn't know what he's talking about.
[10:39:55] <Wumpus> :) yeah, but it just strips out the tex commands, no formatting at all
[10:40:01] <Wumpus> and it doesn't even do that paticularly well
[10:40:36] <sbx> what do latex documents look like?
[10:41:57] <Wumpus> like an infinitely nicer version of RTF, I suppose, if you've ever looked at an RTF file in notepad or whatever
[10:42:12] <Wumpus> it really is quite nice once you've got the hang of it :)
[10:42:24] <sbx> RTF = Rich Text Format?
[10:42:54] <Wumpus> yeah
[10:43:01] <Wumpus> you've never had the pleasure of looking at it? its horrbible :P
[10:43:47] <sbx> No, not to where I've noticed any difference from DOC files. I try to forget Windows things. :-)
[10:44:01] <sbx> ..and I only viewed RTF in windows
[10:44:05] <Darke> sbx: DOC files? What are they? <grin>
[10:44:48] <sbx> c_c
[10:44:50] <sbx> hehe
[10:44:51] <Wumpus> :)
[10:45:00] <sbx> Do you need a latex viewer? To see latex files?
[10:45:21] * Darke only tangently uses latex. He should learn more of the syntax though.
[10:45:23] <Wumpus> well they are moderately readable in an editor; ie, the formatting commands are relatively easy to ignore...
[10:45:45] <Wumpus> but usually one converts it to DVI and from there to postscript or PDF... or possibly to html (straight from tex)...
[10:45:52] <Wumpus> or just use a dvi viewer, ofc :)
[10:46:05] <sbx> ofc?
[10:46:15] <Wumpus> of course :)
[10:46:20] <sbx> oic
[10:47:20] * Wumpus looks in at the cricket and lauffs at them
[10:48:40] <Wumpus> um
[10:48:41] <Wumpus> laughs, taht is
[11:02:47] * sbx falls asleep.
[11:05:18] * Darke wonders if we're _really_ that boring...
[11:05:28] <Wumpus> one does ones best :)
[11:05:43] * Wumpus has got it... latex2html with a few options, and then something like lynx to convert that to plain text
[11:06:11] * Darke wonders if he is anyway. Everybun seems to be falling asleep on him tonight...
[11:12:52] <Wumpus> mmmm make
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[11:37:17] <Wumpus> looks like compile was succesful
[11:49:35] <Darke> Of course! I haven't committed anything substantial recently, that's the problem. <grin>
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[11:49:59] <Colourless> hello!
[11:55:28] <Wumpus> evening :)
[12:00:09] <Darke> Hi!
[12:12:11] <Wumpus> btw, exult *compiled* and packaged just fnie
[12:13:19] <Wumpus> haven't tried running it yet, been wrapping my head around thingie, tex and stuff :-) with quite some success
[12:19:48] <Wumpus> okay, time for a relatively early night, g'ngiht all, don't get too worked up in here :-)
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[12:22:23] <wjp> hi
[12:22:43] <Colourless> hello
[12:24:34] <Darke> Hi.
[12:25:12] * wjp did some invasive surgery yesterday... new motherboard + CPU :-)
[12:25:29] <wjp> (athlon xp 1800+)
[12:25:37] <Colourless> :-)
[12:26:44] <Darke> Nice.
[12:27:12] <Colourless> i bet exult now compiles in 'only' 10 minutes :-)
[12:27:56] <wjp> *grin*
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[12:33:51] <wjp> hi
[12:33:58] <Fingolfin> lo
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[13:10:45] <Darke> A question. But first, some background information. I'm going to remove the dependancy in ucxt, on the bgintrinsics.h and siintrinsics.h files, by copying the data inside them into *.data files. To do this I've got a simple, 50-60 line program that just outputs then nice and pretty, which I'm going to drop into the ucxt dir in cvs, so I can easily recreate the files if the headers are changed.
[13:11:25] <Darke> The question is, should I add the bgintrinsics.data and siintrinsics.data into the cvs as well, or have them recreated by the make process, if either of the header files are changed?
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[13:12:18] <Darke> I'm considering dropping them in, primarially because I don't think those headers will actually change much, if at all.
[13:12:23] <Darke> Hi Kirben.
[13:12:32] <Kirben> Hi
[13:14:16] <wjp> hi
[13:14:25] <wjp> hmm
[13:14:54] <wjp> it's just a completely portable small C(++) program I guess?
[13:15:30] <wjp> I'd just let them be generated during the make
[13:16:25] <Fingolfin> c(++)? why not sh/perl :)
[13:16:28] <Darke> The 'reading header' code is already in ucxt. The only additinal bits are while() loop and a cout.
[13:16:29] <Fingolfin> ah, windows, right
[13:16:32] <Fingolfin> :)
[13:16:48] <Fingolfin> (and MacOS 9...) guess C(++) is a good idea
[13:16:51] <wjp> Fingolfin: also because the .h file is already in a format that C expects :-)
[13:20:14] <wjp> brb
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[13:22:34] * Darke bows, "Hello again."
[13:23:30] * Darke wonders if he should also take this opportunity to move the files in ucxt/src/ and ucxt/include into ucxt/ ...
[14:22:55] <wjp> grr... audio playback is completely distorted somehow... (from mpg123, mpg321, ogg123)
[14:41:16] <wjp> funny... xmms and plaympeg do work. Ah well
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[15:11:15] <^miguel^-> Greetings
[15:52:26] <wjp> hi
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[15:55:03] <wjp> hi
[15:55:07] <Dominus> hi
[15:55:21] <Dominus> I have another compile error
[15:55:23] <Darke> Hi.
[15:55:27] <Dominus> nope, just joking
[15:55:38] <wjp> you;
[15:55:40] <wjp> 're mean
[15:55:44] <wjp> :-)
[15:55:49] * Darke wonders where he put the 'just joking' thumbscrews.
[15:56:03] * wjp hands them to Darke. "Right here"
[15:56:15] <Dominus> but... can you non-windows guys check if studio crashes for you as well, when doubleclicking a shape
[15:57:16] <Dominus> I couldn't help that joke as I was entering this channel this week most of the times with compile problems
[15:57:55] * Darke admits, he did expect that joke, he would have done the same thing. <grin>
[16:10:09] <wjp> the u8 shape compression method looks easy enough to decompress, btw
[16:10:47] <wjp> most of header fields are missing, but the data isn't compressed
[16:10:53] <Dominus> so how is exult studio behaving for you all when doubleclicking a shape in the shape browser?
[16:11:10] <Dominus> wjp: is it the same format as u7's shapes?
[16:11:20] <wjp> Dominus: I meant on the U8 CD
[16:11:40] <wjp> (the first time you run U8 after installing it "uncompresses" the shapes)
[16:12:16] * Dominus hasn't touched his u8 CDs since he aquired the UC
[16:12:26] <wjp> UC CD is the same, IIRC
[16:13:02] <Dominus> wjp: anyway, I wanted to ask this for a long time, how different are the U8 shapes to the u7's or is there even a difference?
[16:13:14] <wjp> hmm, exultstudio crashes as soon as I select shapes.vga
[16:13:55] <wjp> oh, I was wrong, the UC CD's u8shapes is already uncompressed
[16:14:26] <Dominus> okay, so at least that works in the windows port :-) How about starting mapedit mode in Exult and doubleclicking a shape in the game?
[16:14:36] <wjp> I'll recompile it from scratch first
[16:15:22] <Kirben> no problems here
[16:15:27] <wjp> wow... configure runs a _lot_ faster
[16:15:36] <Dominus> Kirben: really?
[16:15:41] <Kirben> yes
[16:15:46] <Kirben> latest cvs compile
[16:15:48] <Dominus> this puzzles me now
[16:16:38] <Kirben> BG or SI ?
[16:16:55] <Dominus> Kirben: is this already the snapshot version? BG, haven't tried SI
[16:17:06] <Kirben> yes
[16:17:11] <Kirben> BG here too
[16:17:25] <Kirben> exult studio seems a bit slower on start up though.
[16:17:57] * wjp really likes his new CPU :-)
[16:18:00] <wjp> compiling is quite fast :-)
[16:18:02] <Dominus> Kirben: I get this mesage in the error text: exult_studio (pid:1760): Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkBox'
[16:18:07] <Dominus> and then studio is gone
[16:18:47] <Kirben> odd, even with my snapshot ?
[16:18:56] <Dominus> still downloading it
[16:19:12] <wjp> I get a bunch of failed assertions, followed by an invalid cast to a GtkList, and then studio is gone
[16:19:20] <wjp> (on selecting shapes.vga)
[16:21:37] * Kirben wonders why it works here
[16:21:57] <Dominus> Kirben: why is your glade a lot smaller then the one in the source?
[16:22:58] <Kirben> is same size
[16:23:04] <Kirben> mine is in data directory
[16:23:50] <Kirben> 254906 bytes
[16:23:59] <Dominus> I know but the one I ahve in source is 265.280, yours is 254.906
[16:24:18] <Kirben> update your source
[16:24:38] <Dominus> I was sure I did
[16:24:47] <Dominus> and your version works for me btw
[16:25:14] <Kirben> the *.glade file in my source is 254906 bytes too.
[16:26:07] <wjp> 254906+10374=265280, btw, where 10374 = nr. of lines in the .glade
[16:26:18] <wjp> fill in the blanks :-)
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[16:27:04] <wjp> Dominik: did you get my last message?
[16:27:13] <Dominik> nope
[16:27:16] <wjp> 254906+10374=265280, btw, where 10374 = nr. of lines in the .glade
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[16:28:07] <Fingolfin> Dominik: you can use the GHOST command, with nickserv
[16:28:12] <Fingolfin> ah
[16:28:12] <Fingolfin> :)
[16:28:26] <Dominik> I used the wrong ghost command
[16:28:27] <Fingolfin> rehi all :)
[16:28:31] <wjp> hi
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[16:30:40] <Dominus> ok, now I uderstand the difference
[16:32:23] <Dominus> and something is wrong with my compile then :-(
[16:40:22] <Dominus> ah, found the reason. make clean didn't work for some odd reason and only after I manually deleted the files and compiled studio it worked
[16:42:05] <Kirben> well make clean for exult studio only works under shell unless you edit makefile
[16:42:27] <Dominus> ah, that explains it
[16:43:03] <Dominus> then I'll just delete those files manually in the batch file I have to call anyway when compiling
[16:44:05] <Kirben> a del *.o *.exe *.exp should do it.
[16:45:00] <Dominus> yeah, but then I have to recompile everything related to Exult only as well
[16:45:11] <Dominus> I'll make it custom then
[16:46:28] <Kirben> would adding a extra clean option to makefile help ?
[16:46:40] <Dominus> yeah
[16:46:56] <Dominus> a mingw-non shell clean, perhaps? :-)
[16:49:30] <Dominus> does a del $(OBJS) $(EXEC) in makefiles delete all the .o and .exe in a dir or only the ones generated by the makefile?
[16:50:30] <Kirben> only the ones generated by the makefile?
[16:50:38] <Kirben> commited
[16:50:44] <Kirben> use make clean for now on
[16:50:50] <Kirben> for=from
[16:51:02] <Kirben> and I will use allclean for cygwin
[16:51:24] <Dominus> thanks Kirben that helps a lot
[16:52:38] <Dominus> what I meant before is if in the makefile del $(OBJS) only removes he OBJS that get build by the makefile
[16:54:03] <Kirben> It removes only the ones used by that makefile
[16:54:20] <Dominus> okay
[16:54:46] * Dominus puts another checkmark on the things he learned
[17:01:31] <Dominus> he he
[17:02:03] <Dominus> just now my cordless mouse died a slow death because the batteries died
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[17:02:25] <Dominus> and I don't have any small batteries in the house :-)
[17:02:50] <Darke> You appear to have somewhat of a problem then. <grin>
[17:03:14] * Dominus thinks he has to go to the supermarket that is still open (only five minutes walk) :-)
[17:03:39] * Dominus is just glad his cordless keyboard still has enough power
[17:03:47] <Darke> That sounds like a good idea.
[17:04:13] <Dominus> see you soon then :-)
[17:04:15] * Darke however, must disappear, his bed is calling him. "Good night/day."
[17:04:22] <Darke> Not likely. <grin>
[17:04:23] <Dominus> sleep well
[17:04:36] * Darke hopes he will.
[17:04:36] <Dominus> see you in three weeks then
[17:04:46] <Darke> Enjoy your holiday. <grin>
[17:04:55] <Dominus> I will :-)
[17:05:10] * Dominus is already feeling the sun on him
[17:05:20] * Darke will hopefully have a few less 'Help! It's broken!' reports in the next few weeks... <grin>
[17:05:26] <Dominus> but I bet an Australian can't relate to this atm
[17:05:40] <Darke> Too much heat at the moment.
[17:05:52] * Darke would _love_ some snow, lots of it.
[17:06:19] <Darke> Anyway, must be off. <grin>
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[17:34:52] <Colourless> hi
[17:42:42] <Fingolfin> hi
[17:48:35] <Dominus> hi Colourless
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[17:58:27] <wjp|lotr> better late than never, right? ;-)
[17:58:43] <wjp|lotr> Colourless: 4 minutes, 2 seconds, btw... (exult compile)
[17:59:33] <wjp|lotr> (including compiler, ucxt & studio)
[18:00:27] * Dominus wonders if wjp|lotr manages to make pentagram playable in three weeks
[18:00:45] <Dominus> now that you have a faster computer = faster work :-)
[18:00:49] <wjp|lotr> lol
[18:00:57] <wjp|lotr> ok, time to go
[18:00:58] <wjp|lotr> bye
[18:01:04] <Dominus> bye
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[19:11:42] <Dominus> http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/20020116/101119320009.html
[19:57:33] <sbx> 72DD?
[19:57:35] <sbx> Ouch. :P
[19:59:28] <sbx> Dominus where are you for holiday?
[19:59:37] <Dominus> Maui
[20:01:12] <sbx> >:-) lucky
[20:01:14] <sbx> oh well
[20:03:41] <sbx> take a laptop with you so you can periodically tell users to read the FAQ :-)
[20:03:56] <Dominus> hehe
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[23:37:30] <artaxerxes> Hi there
[23:37:47] <artaxerxes> Are Dominus, Fingolfin and wjp still there?
[23:38:05] <artaxerxes> 'cause I need your help! :)
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[23:50:45] <sbx> artaxerxes!
[23:53:47] <Fingolfin> hum?
[23:54:27] <sbx> artaxerxes: use ucxt and ucc