#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 26 Jul 2001 (GMT)

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[00:32:23] <chimera|wookin> a3d!
[00:33:33] <Kirben> my bot :)
[00:33:46] <chimera|wookin> seen kirben
[00:33:51] <chimera|wookin> you wrote it?
[00:34:05] <Kirben> no just an eggdrop
[00:34:08] <chimera|wookin> ahh
[00:34:16] <Kirben> seen test
[00:34:18] <A3D> I don't know who test is.
[00:34:28] <chimera|wookin> seen a3d
[00:34:31] <A3D> You found me, chimera|wookin!
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[02:39:56] <Kirben> exult studio compiled :) now ot test...
[02:43:02] <Kirben> argh! I see Exult Studio window for a second then it crashes :(
[02:59:42] <Kirben> worked :) :) :)
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[03:02:31] <Kirben2> Still no response from menu options though
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[03:09:50] <Kirben> http://exult.on.openave.net/studio.jpg
[03:45:16] * Kirben slaps Kirben around a bit with a large trout
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[04:28:43] <matt0> twilight_dragon!
[04:29:28] <matt0> Kirben: congratulations
[04:30:16] <Kirben> Still doesn't work though, but as least it compiles/runs
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[06:50:20] <sty_work> ave
[06:50:35] <matt0> sty!!!
[06:50:46] <matt0> sty_work: I was rolling on the floor laughing at your earlier comments :)
[06:50:57] <sty_work> :DD
[06:51:58] <sty_work> ah, can you tell me the way to get the logs at day 'x' (not only current) ?
[06:53:54] <matt0> sty_work: hehe.. I don't know for sure... I know you can get them from a web page somehow
[06:54:32] <Kirben> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3?log=toc
[06:55:14] <sty_work> thanks
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[10:06:07] <Nadir> morning
[10:06:56] <sty_work> ciao
[10:17:09] <Kirben> Hi Nadir
[10:17:29] <Nadir> hi
[10:17:58] <Kirben> Nadir: Any idea what could cause all menus in exult_studio not to function ?
[10:18:37] <Nadir> Because they talk with the Exult engine via the socket
[10:18:38] <Kirben> Nadir: I managed to compile and run it, once I commented out server sections in a different way
[10:18:53] <Nadir> see, you just answered yourself there :)
[10:18:58] <Kirben> even static directory ?
[10:19:52] <Kirben> open static I mean
[10:20:25] <Kirben> I though that one sounded more like a file dialog
[10:20:33] <Nadir> Indeed.
[10:20:36] <Nadir> That's odd
[10:21:23] <Kirben> I can dcc exe and libs needed if you have access to win system.
[10:22:14] <Kirben> 1.63MB
[10:23:36] <Nadir> I'm not in Windows now. Mail it to me
[10:24:04] <Kirben> I don't think glib/gtk are cause as same dlls work fine with a glade.exe I found
[10:25:05] <Kirben> Also I noticed a weird problem, exult_studio.exe shows up as just exult_studio.ex in task manager.
[10:26:17] <Nadir> Can you load the exult_studio.glade in glade on Win32 ?
[10:27:59] <Kirben> yes
[10:29:01] <Kirben> BTW makefile I'm using to compile exult_studio at http://exult.on.openave.net/makefile if it is any help too.
[10:29:04] <Nadir> My last checkin triggers a memory corruption error
[10:29:46] <Kirben> not good, I have not tried last few cvs changes
[10:30:02] <Nadir> Just don't use my new feature :)
[10:30:39] <Kirben> ok
[10:32:24] <Nadir> It works "partially"
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[10:35:10] <Nadir> Kirben: you could make a screenshot of the 'Studio as a teaser
[10:35:31] <Kirben> Already have http://exult.on.openave.net/studio.jpg
[10:36:58] <Kirben> I don't like to put it on snapshots page quite yet though
[10:37:38] <Nadir> no, that would attract a bunch of weenies on the forum
[10:37:38] <Kirben> email was rejected as too lage
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[10:38:03] <Kirben> lage=large
[10:38:12] <Nadir> have you tried different skin engines
[10:41:26] <Nadir> Kirben: any way for the snapshot to delete exult2.exe if present ?
[10:43:06] <Kirben> How can I change skins ?
[10:43:31] <Kirben> the self extractor I use only offers simple command line option after extraction
[10:44:25] <Nadir> there should be a gtkrc for configuring this stuff
[10:46:31] <Kirben> gtkrc.h ?
[10:47:46] <Nadir> no. gtkrc
[10:49:16] <Kirben> No, I only have a gtkrc.h
[10:51:30] <Nadir> Well, gtk.dll should be looking for the gtkrc file somewhere (I guess it's defined at build time). From there you can tell it to load a different theme. There is one which mimicks Windows a bit (it's called Redmond95)
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[11:08:44] <m0t0ro> hello
[11:08:50] <Nadir> hi
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[11:46:58] <Kirben> ?seen fingolfin
[11:46:58] <exultbot> fingolfin is known as Fingolfin|afk since Wed Jul 25 10:20:24 2001 (GMT)
[11:47:12] <Kirben> ?time
[11:47:12] <exultbot> It is now Thu Jul 26 11:47:12 2001 (GMT).
[11:47:29] <Kirben> I hope he drops by soon
[11:51:32] <Nadir> bbl
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[12:50:25] <Kirben> Nadir: suggestion for forum, an option to email forgetten password
[13:10:43] <Nadir> yeah
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[13:47:46] <Colourless> hi
[13:48:26] <Nadir> hi
[13:48:31] <sty_work> ave
[13:53:27] <Nadir> Colourless: I wanted to change all constants to the EXULT_FLX_* stuff, but I figured that would cause an enormous amount of conflicts on your modified gumps/*.cc files
[13:54:12] <Colourless> yeah it would
[13:54:25] <Nadir> so I just did it to VideoOptions
[13:55:45] <Nadir> I committed the "Return to Menu" stuff, but it causes a crash in the fonts classes when choosing BG, return, SI.
[13:57:33] <Colourless> what causes the crash?
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[13:59:43] <fingolfin> hi
[13:59:56] <Nadir> loading the menu font for SI
[14:00:14] <Nadir> It works fine the first time round, but try going in, out and in again and it will crash
[14:00:44] <Colourless> hi
[14:00:49] <Colourless> can you fix it?
[14:03:31] <fingolfin> Nadir: what are you working on?
[14:05:49] <Nadir> "return to menu" to go back to the Exult menu from the BG/SI menus
[14:06:03] <fingolfin> ahhh nice
[14:06:17] <Nadir> I also want to do it mid-game, but that will come later
[14:06:43] <Nadir> Colourless: I've tried to fix it. I've committed it so that others can have a look. Maybe fingolfin has a nice memory debugger.
[14:07:56] <fingolfin> heheheh
[14:17:47] <Kirben> fingolfin: Could you add something like http://exult.on.openave.net/test2.html to download page ?
[14:18:27] <fingolfin> Kirben: mom
[14:21:09] <Nadir> fingolfin: how's the web redesign going ?
[14:22:51] <fingolfin> Nadir: good, except for two thigns I havenīt done yet (time lack ;)
[14:23:03] <Nadir> what are you using ?
[14:23:07] <fingolfin> Nadir: a) need a new XSL that generates output in the format we want (not too hard)
[14:23:17] <fingolfin> b=) integration of the forum, which I havenīt looked at yet
[14:23:24] <fingolfin> Nadir: I use PHP and FastTemplates
[14:26:56] <Nadir> fingolfin: I wouldn't really touch the forum that much apart from the include/ directory
[14:29:24] <fingolfin> well
[14:29:25] <fingolfin> first of
[14:29:35] <fingolfin> I have no idea yet about it at all, didnīt take a look so far
[14:29:52] <fingolfin> and secondly, it should be nice if it would at least make use of the common navbar/layout file
[14:29:58] <fingolfin> e.g. with the links
[14:30:05] <fingolfin> but well, not so important for the strat
[14:30:07] <fingolfin> start I mean
[14:30:24] <fingolfin> ah well, you folks should all be in RWIMTR mode by now anyway ;)
[14:30:30] <Nadir> fingolfin: phorum has a user-definable header/footer and CSS
[14:30:37] <fingolfin> err, I mean RWIMTW of course ;)
[14:31:12] <Nadir> WTF is RWIMTR ?
[14:32:51] <Kirben> fingolfin: Is it alright if I add a simple snapshot.html to site in meantime ? I don't want to leave moving site to late minute.
[14:33:07] <Kirben> late=last
[14:37:52] <fingolfin> Read What I Meant To Write (the trailing R was wrong and should be W) ;)
[14:38:05] <fingolfin> Kirben: if you are careful, feel free to do whatever you want, but...
[14:38:23] <fingolfin> Kirben: ... FrontPage can be pretty icky. Make sure to backup all files, before you change anything ;)
[14:38:36] <fingolfin> Kirben: anyway, i have pretty recent copies of everything on my local disk, too, so go ahead
[14:38:52] <Kirben> I won't even touch any existing html files
[14:40:50] <Kirben> ok I will just add snapshots.html later today, until the site redesign is complete and get someone else to update snapshots link to be on safe side. .
[14:41:06] <Kirben> night all
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[15:14:54] * Nadir yawns
[15:29:45] * Nadir scratches exultbot
[15:52:45] <fingolfin> hehe
[15:52:55] * Nadir watches paint dry
[15:53:01] * fingolfin is ATM working on a) fixing the FAQ DTD and b) finally getting that XSL for the text version to work ;)
[15:53:08] <Colourless> well, if you want to talk, i'll listen :)
[15:53:17] <fingolfin> <g>
[15:53:36] <fingolfin> Nadir: hmm, would you mind paiting one of the rooms over here for me? ;)
[15:53:52] <Colourless> hehe
[15:55:05] <Nadir> fingolfin: what colour is it now ?
[15:55:19] <Colourless> colourless?
[15:55:26] <Colourless> har har.
[15:55:30] * Colourless is very witty
[15:56:23] <fingolfin> <g>
[15:56:32] <fingolfin> well, it is white, so almost colourless ;)
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[16:02:02] <Nadir> isn't white "all colours" ?
[16:02:03] <wjp> hi
[16:02:15] <Colourless> nadir: yeah it is
[16:02:18] <Colourless> hi wjp
[16:03:07] <Colourless> colourless is lack of all colour... meaning it's completely see transparent
[16:03:52] <Colourless> sigh. remove the word 'see' from my previous statement
[16:04:16] <Nadir> hi
[16:06:10] <Nadir> Colourless: so chrominance is 0. what is your luminance ?
[16:06:30] <Colourless> lum 0
[16:07:15] <Colourless> but you need alpha as well, which is set to 100%
[16:07:29] <Colourless> water is an example of a colourless substance
[16:07:39] <fingolfin> hi willem
[16:07:53] <wjp> hi Max
[16:07:53] <fingolfin> hmm
[16:07:57] <fingolfin> water can be green
[16:08:06] <wjp> yeah, it can... why?
[16:08:07] <Colourless> then it's no longer colourless
[16:08:11] <fingolfin> and if you look at it with infrared eyes, it will be opaque I think ;)
[16:08:18] <wjp> :-)
[16:08:19] <Nadir> :)
[16:09:07] <Colourless> well, infrared isn't exactly a colour is it. it's out of the visible spectrum
[16:09:29] <fingolfin> maybe out of *your* visible spectrum
[16:09:36] <wjp> but that's only because our eyes are broken :-)
[16:10:00] <Nadir> the colour of water is determined by refraction
[16:10:01] <Colourless> a colourless substance allows ALL photons in the conventional human visible spectrum to pass through without absorbion or reflection
[16:10:34] <fingolfin> ha! that canīt be
[16:10:41] <fingolfin> you canīt tell me water does not absorb at all!
[16:10:48] <Nadir> water has density
[16:10:50] <fingolfin> otherwise the ground of the ocean would be bright ;)
[16:10:53] <fingolfin> yeah ;)
[16:11:12] * Colourless sighs
[16:11:20] <Nadir> to be completely colourless, I guess, implies having no density at all.
[16:11:24] * fingolfin waits for colourlessī rebutal
[16:11:27] <fingolfin> yeah
[16:11:29] <Colourless> do we really want a chemistry and physics lesson
[16:11:31] <fingolfin> perfect vacuum
[16:11:39] <fingolfin> but even then
[16:11:43] <fingolfin> we have quantum effects
[16:11:53] <fingolfin> e.g. virtual photons, how do we treat those?
[16:12:34] <Colourless> the molecules in the water do absorb the photons but reemit them in the 'same' direction that they were travelling in
[16:13:07] <Nadir> I don't agree with "same"
[16:13:41] <fingolfin> well, and also they do change the energy level, no? ;)
[16:13:43] <fingolfin> ah well
[16:13:46] <fingolfin> define absorption then ;)
[16:13:49] <Colourless> yeah they do
[16:14:01] <fingolfin> muwahahaha
[16:14:14] <Colourless> the electons in the atoms absorb the energy and jump to a higher state
[16:14:30] * fingolfin watches ryan wind around, trying to escape the claws of the evil nitpickers & complainers in the dreaded #exult channel
[16:14:38] <fingolfin> sounds better ;)
[16:14:51] <Colourless> then re-emit the energy
[16:15:03] <Colourless> at the same frequency
[16:15:15] <fingolfin> is there a unix command line program to wrap a text file? i.e. wrap words after say 72 chars
[16:15:29] <wjp> 'fold'
[16:15:37] <Nadir> so, what about the colourless guy on SourceForge Island. Will he be completely invisible or translucent, like ghost npc's
[16:15:55] <fingolfin> wjp: thanx. am happy to learn new stuff all the time ;)
[16:16:34] <fingolfin> maybe we leave him completly out, and create some rumors he was actually there... like with the cow level in Diablo I ;) ppl will keep looking for him and get mad ;)
[16:16:43] <Colourless> if the colourless npc was completely invisible, then you couldn't find him
[16:17:39] <wjp> well, there's always the 'reveal' spell :-)
[16:18:16] <Colourless> heh, true :)
[16:18:19] <Nadir> we don't want to reveal anything about colourless that is normally hidden from view
[16:21:20] <Colourless> we could link something to jeff with usecode. He could say something like, behold the power of usecode and create colourless
[16:22:05] <fingolfin> heheh
[16:22:11] <fingolfin> which nobody would be able to see, though ;)
[16:23:14] <Colourless> hehe. yeah maybe
[16:24:37] <Colourless> we could turn it into some silly little quest. after DrCode does that, Colourless speaks to the avatar asking for help to become visible
[16:26:42] <fingolfin> wjp: hm, is there something like fold that will wrap, but also will keep the indention?
[16:26:46] <fingolfin> ryan: sounds nice ;)
[16:27:03] * fingolfin thinks that maybe we should protect the channel logs so ppl donīt discover to early our plot ;)
[16:29:04] <Nadir> we can always move to an invite only channel