#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 26 Jun 2005 (GMT)

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[00:00:00] <Baastuul> An awfully British one.
[00:00:26] <sbx> If his parents still live, suggest they be imprisoned.
[00:01:06] <Baastuul> I have had them enslaved. They are now working as miners in the Polish quarter.
[00:03:07] <sbx> A fitting example.
[00:03:32] <Baastuul> http://www.stimmhorn.ch/
[00:03:35] <Baastuul> This is some interesting music, sbx.
[00:04:25] <sbx> What do you mean by, interesting?
[00:04:56] <sbx> Nevermind, my computer started playing it as soon as I clicked the link.
[00:05:05] <Baastuul> I like that song that plays on that page.
[00:05:15] <Baastuul> You can download some more songs from their site.
[00:05:38] <sbx> I didn't even realize the page had loaded in the background. I thought we were under attack and that was the attackers' battlecry.
[00:05:48] <sbx> Only for a moment though.
[00:06:17] <Baastuul> I think the song that plays on that page is majestic.
[00:06:33] <sbx> What's better? Deutsch or English/Franšais?
[00:06:38] <sbx> Majestic12?
[00:06:40] <Baastuul> The latter!
[00:06:49] <Baastuul> No, just majestic! No proper noun involved!
[00:06:53] <Baastuul> It is an adjective!
[00:07:22] <sbx> Apologies. I've been dealing with MJ12 troops so much lately, I forgot it had any other meaning.
[00:08:17] <sbx> I hate those teardrop campers.
[00:08:46] <Baastuul> I know not of what thou speak.
[00:08:56] <sbx> http://www.stimmhorn.ch/shared/h_bild_1.jpg
[00:09:17] <Baastuul> I... see.
[00:09:23] <sbx> http://www.stimmhorn.ch/shared/h_bild_0.jpg
[00:09:45] <Baastuul> If you look at it at the right angle, that one looks kind of like a fish.
[00:10:03] <sbx> It must be their version of a Volkswagon hippie van.
[00:10:18] <Baastuul> Mayhaps!
[00:10:53] <sbx> Are there two or three of them?
[00:10:59] <sbx> It keeps saying duo but there are three people.
[00:11:21] <Baastuul> Well, technically they are a duo, but I think sometimes they have to hire on extra people to cover some other instruments.
[00:11:38] <sbx> kammerkonzert
[00:12:25] <sbx> the third guy always wears a hood
[00:13:21] <sbx> this represents his connections to the peoples of the frozen mountain
[00:13:30] <sbx> im sure of it
[00:13:53] <Baastuul> Mayhaps!
[00:13:59] <sbx> well, the music on the first page sounds cool
[00:14:21] <Baastuul> Yeah, I really wish they had that one up for download. I like it more than the others.
[00:14:25] <Baastuul> Oh well. Time for kotor
[00:14:50] <sbx> it won't be long until they perform in las vegas 3 times a week
[00:17:04] <sbx> kotor? Knights of the Old Republic?
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[10:11:59] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[10:12:13] <Fingolfin> just wanted to let you know that the new MIDI code works great in Exult, thanks :-)
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[10:13:50] <wjp> we can probably close some Mac OS X related bug reports now
[10:14:59] <wjp> possibly http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1038836&group_id=2335&atid=102335
[10:33:23] <Colourless> great max
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[11:24:27] <Fingolfin> also, I now have an MT32 and a MIDI<->USB interface; so I'll soon try to get that supported under OS X for exult,scummvm,pentragram,dosbox
[11:24:30] <Fingolfin> still need audio cables for that, though
[11:28:42] <Colourless> mt32 not supported by pentagram (u8 was a general midi game)
[11:29:04] <Colourless> but all you need is for your midi driver to support send_sysex
[11:29:18] <wjp> forum spam... *sigh*
[11:29:34] <Fingolfin> well, the point is more that I'll change the CoreAudio driver (which is essentially the same for the mentioned 4 apps) to support arbitrary MIDI synths, as opposed to just Apple's softsynth
[11:29:36] <wjp> 5 in the last hour
[11:29:54] <Fingolfin> so not just a MT32, also any other MIDI synth, would be usable
[11:30:11] <Colourless> cool
[11:30:32] <Colourless> to max, not about forum spam ;-)
[11:30:47] <wjp> :-)
[11:31:00] <Fingolfin> ;-)
[11:31:51] <Fingolfin> supporting send_sysex shouldn't be a problem either, BTW. I'll try to unify the CoreAudio drivers in all four apps, but for now I'll work with ScummVM, as I am closest to that. But ideally, the code base would be nearly identical (modulo the API differences, of course)
[11:32:11] <Colourless> pentagram/exult CoreMidiDriver handles sysex 'slightly' differently ScummVM but the difference is tiny
[11:32:43] <Fingolfin> yeah I noticed
[11:33:24] <Fingolfin> I am not really sure that the sysex are handled correctly in the CoreAudio driver of ScummVM. So far, it didn't really matter and wouldn't really have been noticable
[11:33:29] <Fingolfin> with the MT-32, I should find out =)
[11:33:42] <Colourless> yes, it will bitch if you get it wrong :-)
[11:33:58] <Colourless> brings up messages on its display if the sysex is broken :-)
[11:35:03] <Fingolfin> yeah. The MT32 supports some kindy of sysex which allow printing messages on its display, right?
[11:35:55] <Fingolfin> I am currently lacking an audio cable for my MT32 (to be frank, I don't even know the 'name' of the cables required; I guess I'll just take it along to my father or the shop, show them the device, and hope to get the correct cables :-)
[11:36:09] <Colourless> LowLevelMidiDriver.h has the difference
[11:36:27] <Colourless> you at least 1 midi cable
[11:36:36] <Colourless> 5 Pin Din to 5 Pin Din
[11:36:52] <Fingolfin> I have a MIDI cable
[11:37:11] <Fingolfin> or rather, a MIDI<->USB adapter. And I can control the MT-32, I know from its display :-)
[11:37:23] <Fingolfin> but I need an audio cable, to hook it up to some speakers
[11:37:25] <Colourless> ah
[11:37:35] <Colourless> the MT32 has mono outputs
[11:38:58] <Fingolfin> mine has two output jacks, labeled "R" and "L (MONO)". I do not have so many audio cables at my places; none with the proper jacks, at least
[11:39:27] <Colourless> i just bought two of these: http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/en/product/P6530%0A
[11:39:31] <Colourless> and it works great
[11:41:00] <Fingolfin> ah. So it needs what we call "gro▀e Klinke" :-)
[11:41:10] <Fingolfin> good to know
[11:42:14] <Fingolfin> Colourless: http://www.pearl.de/pearl.jsp?redir=yes&screenX=1280&screenY=854
[11:43:33] <Colourless> yes?
[11:44:09] <Colourless> was there something in particular you wanted me to look at
[11:44:14] <Colourless> that just took me to the homepage
[11:44:31] <Fingolfin> oh, dang
[11:45:01] <Fingolfin> http://www.pearl.de/productchoice_redirect.jsp?pdid=PE6905&catid=1431&rate=5
[11:45:07] <Fingolfin> that should be better
[11:45:25] <Colourless> thats a stereo one
[11:45:29] <wjp> that looks like a stereo plug
[11:45:30] <Fingolfin> an adapter from 6,35mm "Klinke" to the more commmon 3,5 (which is used for many small speakers)
[11:45:35] <Fingolfin> aye
[11:45:38] <Fingolfin> hmm
[11:45:45] <Colourless> yeah but mt32 has 2 mono outputs
[11:45:53] <Fingolfin> yeah understood
[11:46:42] <Colourless> i got the 6.5 mm mono to rca converters so i could use a 2x RCA-3.5mm Y Cable
[11:46:46] <Fingolfin> I'll try some local shops tomorrow, I guess
[11:47:40] <Colourless> i use one of these cables: http://www.pearl.de/productchoice_redirect.jsp?pdid=PE8241&catid=1431&rate=5
[11:51:27] * Fingolfin found a suitable adapter on al-kabelshop.de, searching for "klinke mono 6,3". Annoyingly, it's one of these crap web sites where it's near impossible to copy URLs (they even use JavaScript for all their links... yuck)
[11:54:48] <Fingolfin> http://portal.gs-shop.de/200/cgi-bin/portal.dll?bnr=AVA3110&seite=frameset.htm&AnbieterID=3388&rndid=54960874
[11:56:05] <Colourless> not sure if that is exactly what you want though. since it converts from mono to stearo
[11:56:16] <Fingolfin> hm... regarding the cable you showed me a link to: isn't that a stereo-klinke to stereo adapter?
[11:56:23] <Colourless> yes
[11:56:42] * Fingolfin is confused now... I have two mono sockets on my MT-32, right? One for each channel...
[11:56:47] <Colourless> yes
[11:57:00] <Fingolfin> so I'd use two mono converts, ending up with two mono 3,5mm "klinke"
[11:57:04] <Fingolfin> or no?
[11:58:13] <Colourless> the little connectors i showed earlier convert the 6.35 mm 'klinke' to what i know as RCA connectors
[11:58:24] <Colourless> (they are the ones on the end of the cable i showed)
[11:59:27] <Colourless> all you need to do is connect 2 mono 6.35 to a single stereo 3.5
[11:59:45] <Colourless> that was just the easiest way for me to do it
[12:05:33] <Colourless> this pages has the same things
[12:05:34] <Colourless> http://www.musik-produktiv.de/shop2/shop04.asp/artnr/100002055/sid/!18121995/quelle/andereart
[12:07:51] <Colourless> also the same: http://www.musik-produktiv.de/shop2/shop04.asp/artnr/2003026/sid/!18121995/quelle/andereart
[12:16:28] <Colourless> of course if you wanted, you could always solder up your own cable :-)
[12:20:35] <Fingolfin> do you know if the output signal is amplified▀ line-oout
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[12:21:15] <Fingolfin> s/▀/?/
[12:23:08] <Khelz> hi there
[12:23:19] <wjp> hi
[12:23:39] <Khelz> hello wjp
[12:26:35] <Khelz> hey Colourless
[12:26:45] <Khelz> when can I expect to receive the directions for the ppc port ?
[12:27:39] <Colourless> fing, i'm pretty sure it's not, but don't quote me on that....
[12:27:43] * Fingolfin just phones with his dad. Klinke 6.3mm to 3.5mm (mono) adapters: no problem. So I'll just drive over to him, later, and we'll search through his collection until I have all the parts I need =)
[12:27:56] <Fingolfin> s/phones/phoned/
[12:28:08] <Colourless> Khelz, when i have the time
[12:28:57] <Khelz> ok I understand that. do you an approximative idea ?
[12:30:38] <Colourless> sometime this week
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[13:03:03] <Colourless> night
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[14:16:51] <wjp> ugh, it's really too hot to run :-)
[14:56:27] <sbx> yep
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[18:57:53] <sbx> hi Baastuul
[18:58:43] <Baastuul> Hi, ess bee ecks.
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