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[09:53:16] <Nadir> omg, the scaler uses templates
[09:56:19] * Darke snickers.
[10:10:04] <Nadir> that makes the integration of the MMX version rather difficult
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[10:20:53] <Fingolfin> hiya
[10:21:49] <Darke> Hi!
[10:22:01] <Darke> Nadir: I can guess it would.
[10:38:11] <Nadir> hi fingolfin
[10:38:24] <Nadir> Fingolfin: you are now a fulltime scummvm developer :)
[10:39:02] <Fingolfin> well, I am not using my full time, but currently I am probably the most active developer there, yes <g>
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[13:59:24] <Nadir> hi
[14:00:23] <rgootee> hello
[14:00:43] <rgootee> kinda dead huh?
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[14:05:04] <Colourless> hi
[14:07:27] <Colourless> Nadir: you find the scalers evil?
[14:08:23] <rgootee> thanks for all the work youve done guys, i could go on and on about how nice it is to play ultima 7
[14:08:33] <rgootee> without setting up a dos box
[14:08:47] <rgootee> on my old 486 :-)
[14:09:38] <rgootee> however i do have a linux question if anyone feels helpfull.....
[14:10:36] <Colourless> Nadir: you don't need to use the templates because exult actually uses a function pointer for each scaler which is specifically selected per bit depth. Look at around line 240 of imagewin.cc
[14:11:15] <Colourless> rgootee: thanks, but i can't help you with linux stuff
[14:12:14] <rgootee> ah thats cool; the work youve done is wonderfull though, really
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[14:41:26] <artaxerxes> hi all
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[14:42:06] <artaxerxes> I think the right ppl are here for my question! Yay!
[14:42:15] <Colourless> hi
[14:42:38] <artaxerxes> Colourless and Nadir: I want to enable OGG in the Zaurus. What can you tell me about MIDI, FMOPL and OGG?
[14:42:58] <Colourless> that is a worrying thing to say, especially since only nadir and myself is here, and nadir hasn't said anything in a looong time
[14:43:02] <artaxerxes> more precisly, do I have to disable on to enable the other ?
[14:43:21] <Colourless> in theory ogg support should automatically be compiled in
[14:43:32] <artaxerxes> for the zaurus ?
[14:43:46] <Colourless> what you just need to do is set the Midi conversion to digital music and everything should be ok to go
[14:43:54] <artaxerxes> with the fixed point library from Nicolas Pitre ?
[14:43:57] <Colourless> yes
[14:44:03] <artaxerxes> what!?
[14:44:11] <artaxerxes> awesome !
[14:44:23] <Colourless> that was yes ti the 'for the zaurus' question
[14:44:41] <Colourless> assuming that you've compiled sdl mixer with ogg support then you don't need to do anything to exult
[14:44:45] <artaxerxes> what's your percentage of certainty Nicolas Pitre's fixed point ogg decoder library is used in Exult ?
[14:44:50] <Colourless> 0%
[14:45:11] <Colourless> ogg decoding is entirely done in sdl mixer
[14:45:20] <artaxerxes> I see.
[14:45:49] <artaxerxes> So I should check with the sdl-mixer library for zaurus if it uses the fp lib..
[14:45:54] <artaxerxes> perfect
[14:46:04] <artaxerxes> it will be actually faster than I though.
[14:46:23] <artaxerxes> Do you think I should impose OGG over FMOPL in the zaurus port ?
[14:46:36] <artaxerxes> that is remove FMOPL support
[14:46:47] <Colourless> exult wont use ogg's if the ogg files don't exist
[14:48:47] <rgootee> what does exult use for sound ?
[14:48:50] <Colourless> but exult isn't that sensible
[14:48:59] <rgootee> it uses timity for midi right?
[14:49:12] <Colourless> that depends entirely on the operating system
[14:49:16] <Nadir> Colourless: oops I was afk
[14:49:19] <artaxerxes> FMOPL for MIDI by Colourless
[14:49:24] <rgootee> also do you guys need any more artists?
[14:49:26] <artaxerxes> plus timidity
[14:49:29] <rgootee> ahh , thanks
[14:49:40] <Colourless> plus Windows native midi hardward
[14:49:45] <Colourless> plus Quicktime on macos
[14:49:52] <rgootee> sound got all screwed up, but im sure that its my system (linux)
[14:49:54] <Nadir> rgotee: you need linux questions answered ? I'm your man :)
[14:49:59] <artaxerxes> Nadir: saw your post on the forum. Don't despair. Some users have real questions! :)
[14:50:00] <Colourless> plus other things on other operating system :-)
[14:50:09] <rgootee> ahh, my sound got REALLY screwed up!
[14:50:24] <rgootee> ive played around with a few solutions
[14:50:27] <Nadir> artaxerxes: :)
[14:50:53] <Nadir> Colourless: plus OGGs in 1.1
[14:50:56] <rgootee> the midi and sound effects sound horrible , im using 1.0.x release brach
[14:50:57] <Colourless> artaxerxes: i would really recommend just fmopl midi by default. oggs are kind of big
[14:51:14] <artaxerxes> Colourless: to sum up the ogg thing, all I have to do is verifying that ogg is compiled in SDL-mixer (or add it if it is not) and install the ogg music package ?
[14:51:28] <Nadir> rgootee: Kernel version ? soundcard ?
[14:51:32] <Colourless> artaxerxes: yes that should just be it
[14:51:40] <rgootee> 2.4.8 sb live
[14:51:49] <artaxerxes> Colourless: how big exacly ?
[14:52:04] <rgootee> do you guys need any more artists?
[14:52:06] <Colourless> artaxerxes: no idea, i haven't downloaded it :-)
[14:52:09] <Nadir> 24MB
[14:52:40] <Nadir> rgootee: do MIDIs play fine on your system with Timidity ?
[14:53:09] <artaxerxes> oups... that's quite big.
[14:53:15] <rgootee> hmm, ive never really tried, one sec
[14:53:18] <artaxerxes> I think I'll offer the choice then
[14:53:53] <rgootee> ahh i never thought of that, timity wont even run
[14:54:06] <Nadir> timidity
[14:54:09] <rgootee> looks like i didnt install the vorbis lib right
[14:54:13] <Nadir> what's the error ?
[14:54:20] <Nadir> it's got nothing to do with vorbis
[14:54:23] <rgootee> timidity: error while loading shared libraries: libvorbisenc.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:54:26] <Nadir> ah
[14:54:28] <Nadir> :)
[14:54:36] <Nadir> what distribution are you running ?
[14:54:48] <rgootee> ive installed all the ogg stuff i could find :( redhat 7.3
[14:54:57] <rgootee> with ximian gnome 2.0.1
[14:55:36] <artaxerxes> you guys have tried eone ? It's quite nifty
[14:55:42] <Nadir> not yet
[14:55:57] <Nadir> Colourless: thanks for the scaler info. I'll look into it.
[14:55:57] <Colourless> Nadir: did you see my post from earlier about the scalers?
[14:56:01] <Nadir> :)
[14:56:08] <Colourless> s/post/comment/
[14:56:11] <artaxerxes> expect to d/l 80 Mb of files though.. ;/
[14:56:38] <Colourless> sounds like something i don't want to know
[14:57:30] <Nadir> :)
[14:57:44] <Nadir> Colourless: haven't you got access to DSL yet ?
[14:57:47] <Nadir> or too expensive ?
[14:58:14] <rgootee> yea college with free(for me) t3
[14:59:49] <Colourless> Nadir: i could if i really wanted to, and i could afford it at the moment as well, but i couldn't actually justify it. i don't do enough with my internet connection for the extra i would be paying
[15:03:16] <artaxerxes> same here. I used to have full cable and shelled CAD$50 a month but barely used it. So I switch to cable lite: CAD$25 a month, unlimited access, but just 128 (or was it 256) kb/s
[15:03:33] <artaxerxes> instead of 1.5 Mb
[15:05:27] <rgootee> Nadir: thanks alot for your help with my earlier linux question on the message bored, i got the right modelines after that :)
[15:05:44] <Nadir> Colourless: http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/3dfxdemise/default.asp
[15:05:51] <Nadir> ah, it was you
[15:06:12] <rgootee> yea, im ok with linux (beOS is my love) but i run into lots of little probs
[15:06:18] * Colourless raises an eyebrow
[15:06:29] <rgootee> i do read the docs though , sometimes
[15:06:38] <rgootee> not the INSTALL though :)
[15:06:41] <Nadir> :)
[15:06:56] <Nadir> Colourless: are you reading that ?
[15:07:17] <Colourless> i've already read it
[15:07:21] <rgootee> (why isnt there a Makefile.linux!!???) ohh its all in the INSTALL file...
[15:07:25] <Colourless> probably about an hour ago
[15:07:32] <rgootee> you guys find that funny?
[15:07:43] <rgootee> hehe it is , but thanks for the help
[15:08:13] <Colourless> no not really, just points that you are not that experienced with building programs on linux
[15:08:33] <rgootee> no, im happy with rpm's
[15:08:47] <Nadir> It's easy to build an RPM from CVS
[15:08:55] <rgootee> just the ogg music is so cool......
[15:09:09] <rgootee> i dont really know how to work with cvs yet .......
[15:09:26] <Nadir> I can provide simple cut&paste instructions
[15:09:46] <rgootee> really ? that would be nice, but i dont want to pester you guys
[15:09:52] <Nadir> here we go
[15:10:06] <rgootee> ok then
[15:10:18] <Nadir> cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.exult.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/exult login
[15:10:25] <Nadir> then just press Enter
[15:10:34] <Nadir> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.exult.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/exult co
[15:10:36] <Nadir> oops
[15:10:39] <Nadir> cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.exult.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/exult co exult
[15:10:44] <Nadir> cd exult
[15:10:49] <Nadir> ./autogen.sh
[15:10:56] <Nadir> ./configure
[15:10:59] <Nadir> make dist
[15:11:30] <rgootee> ready for a really fun question?
[15:11:41] <artaxerxes> bbl
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[15:11:51] <Nadir> ready
[15:12:21] <rgootee> ....(im not that stupid, really) ahh whats the hotkey for copying in Xchat....
[15:13:04] <Nadir> in X you just select with the left mouse button
[15:13:05] <rgootee> got it
[15:13:13] <Nadir> and paste in the terminal with the middle mouse button
[15:13:27] <rgootee> wasnt working , that way but ctrl c is
[15:13:27] <Nadir> no need to use a keyboard
[15:13:35] <rgootee> i think thats a gnome prob
[15:13:42] <Nadir> wfm
[15:16:16] <Nadir> hmm, not that simple
[15:16:31] <Nadir> make dist doesn't "just work" out of the box anymore
[15:16:35] <Nadir> I'll have to fix it
[15:17:05] <rgootee> ohh, well i guess ill save that for a while, but i got those instructions
[15:17:44] <rgootee> hey, can i help you guys out with anything i know a bit of C++ and im a bit of an artist
[15:17:59] <Nadir> there's a list of missing artwork somewhere
[15:18:08] <rgootee> i look for it
[15:18:24] <Nadir> docs/art.txt
[15:18:50] <rgootee> ok, ill play with that then come back in here in a week or so
[15:21:47] <rgootee> thanks for your help again Nadir
[15:23:55] <Nadir> you're welcome
[15:33:23] <Nadir> bye
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[16:17:20] <wjp> hi
[16:17:24] <wjp> wfk?
[16:17:33] <Colourless> hi
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[16:22:10] <artaxerxes> hi wjp
[16:23:38] <artaxerxes> I've sent an email to Alexandre Courbot regarding his sdl-mixer package, as to whether or not Nicolas Pitre's integer only libvorbis package is used. No point reinventing the wheel if he has already compiled it in.
[16:28:10] <Colourless> well, i'm off for now. might be back a bit later....
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[16:36:31] <artaxerxes> bbl
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[16:45:53] <Suvroc> Holas
[16:48:45] <wjp> hi
[16:49:10] <Suvroc> urr, i mean hi
[16:49:13] <Suvroc> ^_^u
[16:51:21] <wjp> is that hello in any language?
[16:52:05] <Suvroc> yes, in spanish
[16:52:35] <Suvroc> i am connected to 4 irc servers, one of them in spanish
[16:54:02] <wjp> are you spanish yourself?
[16:56:24] <Suvroc> err, yes (?) i'm from spain
[16:56:33] <Suvroc> exactly from san sebastian
[16:57:08] <Suvroc> maybe you had heard about it, there is a famous (?) cinema festival those days
[16:57:53] <wjp> hm, no, haven't heard of the festival
[16:59:04] <Suvroc> ok
[17:23:10] <rgootee> are you still here wjp?
[17:32:44] <rgootee> or anyone?
[17:34:59] <wjp> yeah, I'm here
[17:38:23] <rgootee> can i ask you a quick question?
[17:38:36] <rgootee> nadir said to ask you bout linux things
[17:39:58] <rgootee> if ya feel up to it... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsupc++
[17:40:13] <rgootee> i get when trying to complie 1.1.cvs
[17:41:45] <wjp> libsupc++? what's that?
[17:42:02] <wjp> when exactly do you get that?
[17:42:51] <rgootee> when trying to make form cvs... i have no clue and i cant find much on the web
[17:43:13] <rgootee> it comes bout half way through the make....
[17:43:58] <wjp> what's the couple of lines above the error?
[17:44:27] <rgootee> g++ -O2 -Wno-long-long -g -O2 -o exult actions.o actorio.o actors.o alloc.o args.o bggame.o browser.o cheat.o cheat_screen.o combat.o delobjs.o devgame.o dir.o
[17:44:28] <rgootee> drag.o effects.o exult.o exultmenu.o game.o gameclk.o gamedat.o gamemap.o gamerend.o gamewin.o keys.o keyactions.o menulist.o monsters.o mouse.o npcnear.o npctime.o palette.o paths.o readnpcs.o schedule.o segfile.o shapeid.o sigame.o tqueue.o txtscroll.o version.o xdrag.o -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/usr/lib pathfinder/.libs/libpathfinder.a audio/.libs/libaudio.a audio/midi_drivers/.libs/libmididrv.a flic/.libs/libflic.a conf/.libs/libconf.a imagewin/.libs/l
[17:44:28] <rgootee> ibimagewin.a server/.libs/libserver.a usecode/.libs/libusecode.a shapes/.libs/libshapes.a objs/.libs/libobjs.a gumps/.libs/libgumps.a files/.libs/libu7file.a files/zip/.libs/libminizip.a -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/libSDL_mixer.so /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so /usr/lib/libvorbis.so /usr/lib/libogg.so /usr/lib/libsmpeg.so -lsupc++ -lgcc_s /usr/lib/libSDL.so /usr/lib/libasound.so -lm -ldl -lX11 -lXext -lpthread -lz
[17:44:33] <rgootee> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lsupc++
[17:44:36] <rgootee> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[17:44:40] <rgootee> is the full command above the error
[17:45:12] <rgootee> i cant get 1.0.x dev line to complie fine though
[17:45:19] <rgootee> wierd prob huh?
[17:46:02] <wjp> this isn't halfway through, btw; it's the end already :-)
[17:46:10] <rgootee> ohhh
[17:46:14] <wjp> can you run 'sdl-config --libs' for me?
[17:46:36] <rgootee> -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread
[17:47:04] <rgootee> i had to install sdl-mixer like 5 dif ways before the ./config qould recoginize it
[17:47:06] * wjp wonders where those other libs are coming from
[17:47:16] <rgootee> im using 1.2.4 sdl
[17:47:36] <rgootee> do you think that sdl is the problem?
[17:50:08] <wjp> is there a line 'starting' with libtool before the one you pasted?
[17:50:17] <wjp> (or /bin/sh ./libtool or something)
[17:50:26] <rgootee> let me check
[17:50:51] <rgootee> yea 2 lines up
[17:51:00] <wjp> it's weird; there's a lot of stuff in that command of which I don't have a clue what it's doing in there
[17:51:03] <rgootee> right before this was a mkdit .libs
[17:51:13] <rgootee> mkdir
[17:51:20] <wjp> can you paste the libtool line too?
[17:51:28] <rgootee> sure
[17:51:48] <rgootee> /bin/sh ./libtool --mode=link g++ -O2 -Wno-long-long -g -O2 -o exult actions.o actorio.o actors.o alloc.o args.o bggame.o browser.o cheat.o cheat_screen.o combat.o delobjs.o devgame.o dir.o drag.o effects.o exult.o exultmenu.o game.o gameclk.o gamedat.o gamemap.o gamerend.o gamewin.o keys.o keyactions.o menulist.o monsters.o mouse.o npcnear.o npctime.o palette.o paths.o readnpcs.o schedule.o segfile.o shapeid.o sigame.o tqueue.o txtscroll.o ve
[17:51:48] <rgootee> rsion.o xdrag.o pathfinder/libpathfinder.la audio/libaudio.la audio/midi_drivers/libmididrv.la flic/libflic.la conf/libconf.la imagewin/libimagewin.la server/libserver.la usecode/libusecode.la shapes/libshapes.la objs/libobjs.la gumps/libgumps.la files/libu7file.la files/zip/libminizip.la -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread -lSDL_mixer
[17:51:48] <rgootee> -lz
[17:52:05] <rgootee> i might have screwed up my libs a few times though
[17:52:11] <wjp> ok, this looks more familiar
[17:52:29] <rgootee> im kinda new to linux (bout 3/4 year using it) and i love to screw with stuff
[17:52:44] <wjp> libtool is somehow converting the '-L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread -lSDL_mixer' into ' -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/libSDL_mixer.so /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so /usr/lib/libvorbis.so /usr/lib/libogg.so /usr/lib/libsmpeg.so -lsupc++ -lgcc_s /usr/lib/libSDL.so /usr/lib/libasound.so -lm -ldl -lX11 -lXext -lpthread -lz'
[17:52:55] <wjp> while it should pretty much leave it alone, AFAIK
[17:53:23] <rgootee> whats AFAIK?
[17:53:24] <wjp> did you pass any parameters to ./configure?
[17:53:29] <wjp> as far as I know
[17:53:29] <rgootee> nope
[17:53:32] <rgootee> ahh
[17:54:09] <wjp> I really don't have a clue why it's doing this
[17:54:31] <wjp> you could try manually linking exult
[17:54:55] <wjp> i.e., copy-paste everything from the libtool line starting with g++
[17:55:24] <rgootee> hmm , i guess that might be possible, ill tinker with it
[17:55:43] <wjp> how did you install SDL_mixer?
[17:56:21] <rgootee> first rpm, ./configure wouldnt pick it up so i did a manuall install
[17:56:30] <rgootee> (and compile)
[17:56:52] <wjp> hm, did you remove the configure cache after installing SDL_mixer?
[17:57:09] <wjp> (configure caches its findings; really inconvenient sometimes...)
[17:57:58] <rgootee> i accually downloaded the newer cvs; so it was a fresh set
[17:58:08] <wjp> I have to go (dinner)
[17:58:14] <wjp> bbl
[17:58:17] <rgootee> ive bothered you exult dev people alot today, thanks for your help
[17:58:26] <wjp> no problem :-)
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[18:23:03] <Colourless> there... i am done... for now :-)
[18:49:42] <wjp> congrats :-)
[18:50:12] <Suvroc> hi
[19:05:21] <Colourless> there is one slight flaw in the game design. it's got 4 campaigns, each with 7 missions, so it ends up being 28 missions long the game. however, since each campaign is like a small game in itself, it make the overall game seem much shorter than it actually is. i'm just used to rts campaigns being about 12 missions long
[19:05:36] <Colourless> each campaign just seems too short
[19:08:38] <wjp> hm, I see
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[19:47:20] <Suvroc> hi again
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[20:53:19] <Dark-Star> hi
[20:57:22] <rgootee> colorless are you still there?
[20:57:29] <Colourless> yes i am here
[20:57:41] <rgootee> did you finish warcraft 3?
[20:58:03] <rgootee> yea, you did,
[20:58:14] <rgootee> i just finished it yesterday
[20:58:44] <rgootee> i enjoyed it but i cant take on those damn custom campains at all
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