#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 27 Aug 2001 (GMT)

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[00:12:18] <Fingolfin> hi Kirben
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[02:31:21] <Kefka> .
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[03:17:41] --- ChanServ has changed the topic to: Exult, the open source Ultima 7 and U7 part 2 engine
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[03:44:59] <sum1> hello
[03:45:18] <Kefka> hi
[03:48:10] <sum1> hey have u guys thought about tryna finish ultima7 black rock engine it would be cool finished
[03:50:57] <Kefka> er
[03:51:39] <Kefka> yeah, they are working on getting lots of errors fixed too though
[03:56:13] <sum1> that wuld b cool
[03:56:24] <sum1> do you kno wot blackrock is???
[03:59:23] <Kefka> ohhh
[03:59:25] <Kefka> that thing
[03:59:30] <Kefka> the multiplayer u7
[03:59:34] <Kefka> from back in the dy
[03:59:35] <Kefka> day
[03:59:37] <Kefka> yeah
[03:59:47] <Kefka> that was cool.. too bad the author stopped working on it
[03:59:59] <Kefka> its gpl, i think
[04:00:02] <Kefka> but it uses pascal
[04:00:06] <Kefka> dunno why
[04:00:12] <Kefka> back in a minute
[04:00:42] <sum1> ok
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[04:02:04] <sum1> http://sourceforge.net/projects/u7o/
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[04:12:00] <sum1> http://sourceforge.net/projects/u7o/
[04:12:06] <sum1> its @ sourceforge
[04:12:14] <Kefka> hmm
[04:13:05] <sum1> ??
[04:14:29] <Kefka> last update was 4 months ago
[04:20:58] <sum1> yeah sum1 shud take it ova
[04:22:24] <Kefka> but its in pascal
[04:22:31] <Kefka> it should be rewritten in c
[04:22:35] <sum1> yeah
[04:22:39] <sum1> that would be so cool
[04:22:49] <Kefka> brb
[04:23:24] <sum1> ok asl??
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[07:13:36] <hebble> hello everyone.
[07:19:54] <Kefka> hello
[07:20:26] <hebble> sorry, i have an off-topic question; i'll try to make it quick: where should i go to ask people questions about u9ascension?
[07:20:51] <Kefka> hebble: i don't know of a place offhand.. i'd try usenet though
[07:22:29] <hebble> that's what i thought, but IRC is easier to get working on my machine...
[07:37:33] <hebble> hey Kefka, can I use just any NNTP server, or do I need one from my ISP?
[07:38:24] <Kefka> you should be able to use any NNTP server as long as it subscribes to the u9 group
[07:38:42] <Kefka> and the NNTP server obviously has to allow you access
[07:39:06] <hebble> that's what i was worried about. are there any well-known public servers?
[07:39:47] <Kefka> hebble: i don't know of any offhand.. i use my ISP's nntp server
[07:40:23] <hebble> mm, god bless google.
[07:41:52] <Kefka> does google allow writing?
[07:41:57] <Kefka> i thought it was reading only
[07:43:37] <hebble> (i was expressing gratitude at the results for "public NNTP server" :)
[07:43:56] <Kefka> ohh
[07:44:01] <Kefka> heh
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[11:09:02] <fingolfin> grr
[11:09:03] <fingolfin> I hate it! why canīt people read????
[11:09:56] <fingolfin> we have this information on top of *every* page in the forum; yet people keep posting stuff: "hi, I have a problem, this and that doesnīt work, what can I do" - 1) read the FAQ & docs 2) if you did, and still need help, give us *INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR SETUP*
[11:10:08] <fingolfin> exultbot: record that for future generation, yes, please?
[11:14:28] <Kefka> fingolfin: exult got a mention on voodooextreme.com
[11:16:27] <fingolfin> thatīs good? donīt know the site...
[11:16:30] * fingolfin surfs there
[11:17:37] <Kefka> ugh, xchat is doing that thing again
[11:17:50] <Kefka> voodooextreme.com is very popular
[11:17:59] <Kefka> along the lines of bluesnews.com
[11:20:29] <fingolfin> uhm... the truth is, I donīt know that either ;)
[11:20:51] <Kefka> hmm
[11:21:05] <Kefka> do you know shugashack? now called shacknews
[11:21:10] <fingolfin> btw, accessing that site w/o www doesnīt work ;)
[11:21:11] <fingolfin> no
[11:21:44] <Kefka> hmm.. i'd be most of the small amount of money i have that you never played qtest
[11:21:53] <Kefka> (quake test)
[11:25:24] <fingolfin> I didnīt ;)
[11:25:31] <fingolfin> I donīt like 3d shooters much
[11:25:57] <Kefka> hmm.. well, all of those sites got started by the Quake Revolution
[11:26:34] <Kefka> they've since branched out to cover much more than just fps's now though
[11:27:51] <Kefka> brb
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[11:29:09] <fingolfin> i wonder why xchat is behaving so badly for you :/
[11:29:17] <fingolfin> do you have an old version of gdk-pixbuf maybe?
[11:29:44] <Kefka> um
[11:29:49] <Kefka> i don't think i do
[11:29:53] <Kefka> since i use sid
[11:32:19] <fingolfin> what does gdk-pixbuf-config --version give you?
[11:33:30] <Kefka> chaos:/# gdk-pixbuf-config --version
[11:33:30] <Kefka> bash: gdk-pixbuf-config: command not found
[11:37:33] <fingolfin> uhm
[11:37:57] <fingolfin> weird
[11:40:03] <Kefka> heh
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[12:00:20] <Kefka-ZzZ> night
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[13:43:32] <Colourless> hi
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[15:02:14] <Fingolfin> hi
[15:02:23] <Colourless> hi
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[15:17:41] <wjp> hi
[15:17:46] <Colourless> hi
[15:18:24] <Fingolfin> hi
[15:18:39] <wjp> why didn't we update the version nr. in Makefile.win32 again?
[15:18:43] <wjp> ;-)
[15:19:04] <Colourless> because you people only think about yourself :)
[15:19:13] <Fingolfin> why did nobody update NEWS date/version number?
[15:19:24] <Fingolfin> (before I did yesterday night)
[15:19:32] <Colourless> because people are lazy :)
[15:19:45] <Colourless> hmmm, thinks about it, perhaps that is the reason for the first question as well :)
[15:19:54] <Fingolfin> hm... the ??.??.???? looked mover like an oversight, but if you say it =]
[15:20:01] <Fingolfin> heheh
[15:20:37] <Colourless> i think it's about time we moved all the version info into a header file
[15:20:45] <Colourless> 1 file, all systems
[15:21:17] <Fingolfin> well
[15:21:25] <Fingolfin> Iīd love in fact if all files would simply include config.h
[15:21:43] <Fingolfin> as they do for MacOS builds; and gcc has an -include switch; but what about other compilers?
[15:22:16] <Colourless> do you know what the problem with that is though? (i would imagine all compilers have something like -include"
[15:28:50] * wjp is still waiting :-)
[15:29:14] <Colourless> waiting for what?
[15:29:32] <wjp> your last sentence sounded like it would have a 'sequel', kind of
[15:29:54] <Colourless> ah, the question, you are wanting an answer?
[15:30:37] <wjp> well, yes :-)
[15:30:50] <Colourless> not everyone has config :)
[15:31:03] <Fingolfin> it sound as if you wanted to employ the question as a rhetoric device ;)
[15:31:09] <Fingolfin> Colourless: autoconf you mean?
[15:31:24] <Colourless> well yeah. take me for example :)
[15:31:36] <Fingolfin> Colourless: well... but everybody uses either one of the makefiles, or automake/conf, or the MSVC project, or the MacOS Codewarrior project, no?
[15:31:50] <Colourless> yes
[15:32:05] <Fingolfin> oh wait
[15:32:06] <Fingolfin> sure
[15:32:14] <Fingolfin> you mean, you donīt get a config.h generated, damn! ;)
[15:32:27] <Fingolfin> like I, too, have to change mac_config.h manually ;)
[15:32:29] <Fingolfin> hrm
[15:32:37] <Colourless> that's what I want to avoid
[15:32:39] <Fingolfin> hm hrm hmmm
[15:32:45] <Fingolfin> welll
[15:32:54] <Fingolfin> we also want the version inside the autoconf file... hmmm
[15:36:30] <wjp> heh, interesting idea on the forum: make the map display the name of the location the mouse is over
[15:38:51] <Colourless> wouldn't be too hard either
[15:40:21] <Fingolfin> yeah
[15:40:34] <wjp> maybe we could get someone from the forum to determine the areas to name...
[15:40:38] <wjp> *eg*
[15:42:05] <Fingolfin> ;)
[15:46:13] * wjp enters this into the 'feature request' tracker
[15:52:53] <Fingolfin> gotta go now, to visit some friends; later we go watch Final Fantasy... oh well, I hope at least it looks nice (100% CG)
[15:52:59] <Fingolfin> so cya later ;9
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[16:22:08] <wjp> hmm... oops... bodies is a vector, not an array...
[16:22:24] <wjp> that makes "bodies[149] = obj;" kind of dangerous, I guess
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[18:24:46] <SuperBeast2000> Hi I have a non exult question
[18:25:05] <SuperBeast2000> In forge of Virtue does Lord British increase the stats of Avatar and his party, or just Avatar
[18:25:37] <Colourless> just Avatar
[18:25:49] <SuperBeast2000> damn
[18:25:57] <SuperBeast2000> k thanks
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[19:31:28] <SuperBeast2000> is there a way to pause the game while organizing inventory?
[19:35:25] <SuperBeast2000> ?
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[19:40:38] <Kefka> SuperBeast2000: i don't think so, it was designed to not pause
[19:40:53] <SuperBeast2000> nooooooo
[19:41:08] <SuperBeast2000> then how am I suppoed to drug people in combat
[19:44:01] <wjp|away> either be very fast or wait long enough for one of us to implement pausing :-)
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[19:44:42] <SuperBeast2000> please implement that, because combat spell casting will become very hard
[19:44:59] <Kefka> SuperBeast2000: i'd learn to be very fast cause i don't think pausing is gonna be implemented for awhile
[19:45:14] <wjp> I'm afraid it's rather a low priority
[19:45:25] <SuperBeast2000> blast
[19:45:37] <SuperBeast2000> less than 2 months?
[19:45:51] <wjp> dunno... there's no schedule for exult's development
[19:46:08] <SuperBeast2000> ok cool
[19:46:13] <wjp> it all depends on when somebody wants to do it
[19:46:16] <Kefka> SuperBeast2000: you could always learn c then implement it yourself
[19:46:34] <SuperBeast2000> heheheheh 6 years later..
[19:46:45] <Kefka> heh
[19:46:58] <Kefka> a good place to start is a community college
[19:47:06] <Kefka> even if you don't learn much, it provides focus
[19:47:19] <SuperBeast2000> i doing business in university, a little late for programing
[19:47:22] <Kefka> most c learning is done in your spare time while working on programs
[19:47:35] <Kefka> SuperBeast2000: i don't mean for a career.. i mean to just take a class or two
[19:48:15] <SuperBeast2000> I had a hard time with pascal and turing, I think c will be the same
[19:48:27] <SuperBeast2000> some people are meant to program, others are not
[19:49:35] <Kefka> SuperBeast2000: There are two types of people, those of us who think they know everything, and those of us who do
[19:50:40] <SuperBeast2000> My point is I don't have a head for programming
[19:50:45] <Kefka> i know
[19:50:51] <Kefka> i just saw that on a T-shirt once
[19:51:05] <SuperBeast2000> oh ok
[19:51:07] <Kefka> it popped in my head, so i typed it
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[22:29:51] <wjp> time to go; bye
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