#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 27 Jan 2003 (GMT)

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[04:15:30] <ShadwChsr> hey
[04:19:34] <Darke> Hi.
[04:19:53] <ShadwChsr> cannot convert 'this' pointer from 'const Entity' to 'Entity &'
[04:19:56] <ShadwChsr> any ideas? :P
[04:20:05] <ShadwChsr> bool operator< (const Entity & CompareEntity);
[04:20:28] <ShadwChsr> {
[04:20:32] <ShadwChsr> IsoBoundaryPosition compareBoundary = CompareEntity.GetCurrentBoundary(); <- thats where it dies
[04:25:38] <Darke> You either need to cast away the const, or remove the const from the 'const Entity & CompareEntity' bit, or make the 'compareBoundary' variable a const reference too.
[04:26:48] <ShadwChsr> why though? GetCurrentBoundary doesn't return a const &
[04:27:51] <ShadwChsr> ohh I get it :P
[04:29:04] <ShadwChsr> thanks ;)
[05:02:55] <Darke> No problem.
[05:03:35] <Darke> 'S one of my perpetual coding mistakes, since I'm rather obsessive with the const's. *grin*
[05:03:55] <ShadwChsr> ahhhh
[05:04:01] <ShadwChsr> I read somewhere once that they're "a virus"
[05:04:10] <ShadwChsr> once you add one they infect the entire source code ;-)
[05:04:11] <ShadwChsr> Very true ;-)
[05:07:18] <Darke> Yepyep. They're a *great* infestation too. Have eliminated many, many errors I used to make in C all the time with a simple compile check. *grin*
[05:10:57] <ShadwChsr> question:
[05:11:13] <ShadwChsr> what happens if i declare a pure virtual function in a class, then declare the descendant overridden function as inline? :)
[05:11:17] <ShadwChsr> does all hell break loose?
[05:11:27] <ShadwChsr> does it even let me? :)
[05:11:32] <Darke> inline is ignored.
[05:11:38] <ShadwChsr> ahh
[05:11:58] * Darke points out the compiler has *no* obligation what so ever to listen to your 'inline' directives. *Grin*
[05:12:09] <Darke> Good compilers will warn when you do that though.
[05:12:22] <Darke> It's the same thing for any virtual function. They'll never be inlined.
[05:13:25] <ShadwChsr> yeah :) Kind of figured ;-)
[05:13:37] <ShadwChsr> but you never know, could be a creative compiler out there ;-)
[05:15:06] <Darke> s/creative/bug ridden/ you mean? *grin*
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[07:45:34] <wjp> hi
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[07:46:52] <Darke> Hello.
[07:55:20] <ShadwChsr> hi
[08:14:08] <Matt_O> good morning
[08:15:02] <wjp|work> heh, it might've been if I had realized before last night 1:30am that I had to work this morning ;-)
[08:15:06] <wjp|work> *yawn* :-)
[08:15:57] <Matt_O> I'm in that situation
[08:15:58] * Darke snickers.
[08:16:11] <Matt_O> it's 1:16 AM and I have to be up in the morning
[08:16:30] <Matt_O> and I am still considering reading a chapter of Robert Jordan before bed hee hee
[08:18:12] <wjp|work> that's easily more important than sleeping :-)
[08:18:42] * Darke wonders who this 'Robert Jordan' is. *grin*
[08:19:14] <wjp|work> you don't want to know if you want to get any sleep the next couple of months :-)
[08:19:58] <Darke> I was kidding. I read one of his WoT books, and didn't read another. The 'puter game was slightly more interesting but I didn't end up finishing that. *grin*
[08:25:18] <Matt_O> Darke: I think his books tend to drag on, but the story _is_ interesting if you are persistent :)
[08:25:25] <Matt_O> quite good. in fact
[08:26:02] <Matt_O> basically what I'm saying is.. it's worth the slow pace to get the story hehe
[08:28:37] <Darke> I'm not particularly a slow reader, I devour a standard 300 page novel in about 3 hours, but I never found he gave me any reason for me to pick up the second in the series, that was my main problem with it. And the computer game had way too little background for you to figure out why you were doing what, so I never got dragged into it either. *grin*
[08:31:21] * Darke admits it wasn't as bad as the lord of the rings though. *grin*
[08:32:02] <ShadwChsr> carefull how you word things, you almost started a flame war ;-)
[08:32:13] <Matt_O> the computer game by Legend that used the unreal engine?
[08:32:23] <Darke> ShadwChsr: I did? *grin*
[08:32:25] <Darke> Matt_O: Yep.
[08:32:37] * Darke wonders if he's got it at paw. Just a sec.
[08:32:49] <Matt_O> I bought that, played the first few maps, loaned it to an acquaintance, and never saw it again
[08:33:39] <Matt_O> from the little I played of the game, I didn't feel that it did the books justice :(
[08:34:47] <Darke> Actually, I've loaned it to a friend and he hasn't given it back too. Must remember to pester him.
[08:35:07] * Darke played 'til probably about half way through the game.
[08:35:11] <Matt_O> darke, I am quite comfortable with you not wanting to read any further.. if everyone liked the books, it would become trite
[08:35:43] * Darke nods.
[08:36:51] <Matt_O> argh 1:36 AM... goodnight!
[08:36:58] <Darke> Night! *grin*
[08:37:06] <wjp|work> night :-)
[08:37:41] <ShadwChsr> 1:30 AM is the best time for programming though!
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[12:45:19] <Colourless> hi
[12:49:28] <wjp|work> hi
[12:53:42] <Darke> Hi.
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[15:17:37] * Darke decides that given he's got to be up in 6 hours or so, sleep would be good. *Grin* Night!
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[15:18:04] <Colourless> cya :-)
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[20:09:24] <Rixa> anyone happen to have or know about the Ultima IX Dragon edition?
[20:11:53] <Rixa> Just wondering what the versions of Ultima I-III included are like, and whether I should bid for such an item.
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[20:38:31] <jer|w0rk> Rixa: I have the dragon edition -- it basically has the Ultima I-XIII cd, with all original versions of the games
[20:38:52] <wjp> Ultima 13? :-)
[20:38:55] <jer|w0rk> a'kf
[20:38:58] <jer|w0rk> jaj
[20:39:00] <jer|w0rk> my bad
[20:39:06] <jer|w0rk> VIII
[20:39:07] <jer|w0rk> ;|
[20:39:15] <jer|w0rk> Ultima I - III are like cga/ega, etc
[20:39:32] <Rixa> PC beeper sound?
[20:39:53] <jer|w0rk> yes
[20:39:57] <Rixa> yike
[20:40:02] <jer|w0rk> pc beeper was in everything from 1-6
[20:40:12] <jer|w0rk> 6 just had adlib / mt32 music
[20:40:16] <jer|w0rk> pcspeaker sfx :|
[20:41:10] <wjp> don't forget U1-3 are really really really old :-)
[20:41:22] <Rixa> I know .. I already have I-III and V for the c64 and VII for the PC. This is not an easy choise :)
[20:41:25] <wjp> there are some fan-made patches out there to improve a little bit, though
[20:41:38] <wjp> s/improve/improve them/
[20:41:40] <jer|w0rk> ive seen vga-addons
[20:41:44] <jer|w0rk> for 4 i think
[20:41:45] <Rixa> what do they do, then?
[20:41:58] <jer|w0rk> not much for sound from what little i've seen
[20:42:33] <Rixa> I'd like a proper version of IV for the PC. The Amiga version was rather nice.
[20:42:38] <wjp> some add better sound
[20:43:02] <wjp> http://reconstruction.voyd.net/index.php?page=project&type=upgrades
[20:43:35] <Rixa> mind you the c64 sound isn't all that great either but at least I can turn the volume down :)
[20:44:56] <jer|w0rk> heh
[20:46:46] <Rixa> hmm, these upgrades look quite nice.
[20:48:43] <Rixa> nothing for number 1, though.
[20:49:40] <wjp> according to that page Origin already released an enhanced U1
[20:49:58] * wjp wonders how 'enhanced' 'enhanced' is :-)
[20:50:29] <Rixa> does the Dragon edition include that?
[20:51:21] <wjp> let me check
[20:51:56] <wjp> looks like it, yes
[20:52:12] <wjp> the intro credits mention something about a 'new release of a blah blah classic blah'
[20:53:06] <Rixa> ok, good. thanks.
[20:53:21] <wjp> oh, and U1 works in dosbox, it seems :-)
[20:53:28] <Rixa> excellent :)
[20:53:41] <Rixa> tried the rest of them?
[20:53:51] <Rixa> older ones, I mean.
[20:55:05] * wjp hmms
[20:55:10] <wjp> on second glance it seems only the menus work
[20:55:17] * wjp doesn't see any world map
[20:55:27] <wjp> might need some config tweaking
[20:55:29] <Rixa> bummer.
[20:55:36] <Rixa> what about dosemu?
[20:55:46] <wjp> dunno
[20:55:57] <Rixa> I've had some nice success with that,
[20:55:58] <wjp> don't really want to install that... it was kind of a hassle from what I remember
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[20:56:25] <Rixa> yes, very much so. Particularly since I wasn't using a PC when DOS was the biggest thing.
[20:56:29] <matto|wookin> woohoo! exult 1.0 is out! :)
[20:56:39] * jer|w0rk claps
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[20:56:42] * wjp sighs
[20:56:48] <Rixa> so much of the configuration options are greek to me.
[20:56:59] <wjp> hm, the U2 from the CD complains about a 'wrong disk'
[20:57:22] <wjp> the U2 I have on my HD does work, though
[20:57:31] <wjp> (without the exodus upgrade)
[20:57:58] <Rixa> so.. you have without-upgrade on HD and with-upgrade on CD?
[20:58:08] <wjp> without upgrade on CD
[20:58:19] <wjp> I don't have any of the exodus upgrades
[20:58:31] <Rixa> ah, ok.
[20:58:32] <wjp> (they were released after the last time I played them)
[20:59:14] <wjp> U3 looks ok
[20:59:24] <Rixa> in dosbox?
[20:59:28] <wjp> haven't tried creating a party, though
[20:59:29] <wjp> yes
[20:59:44] <wjp> it's slightly fast, but I think that's adjustable
[21:00:26] <Rixa> I never got very far in that one. Maybe it'd be time for a new try.
[21:00:42] <wjp> I never liked 3
[21:02:19] <Rixa> I did, I just never got to a good start. It's hard in the beginning, I figure. Much unlike number 1 :)
[21:02:35] <wjp> yes, I seem to remember dying a _lot_ early on :-)
[21:02:48] <wjp> lack of food mostly, IIRC
[21:03:11] <wjp> but it's a long time ago since I played it, so I don't really remember all that much :-)
[21:03:31] <matto|wookin> if you want to play Ultima as it was intended, you need to play the Apple 2 versions... 1 through 5 :)
[21:03:46] <matto|wookin> err what I meant to say was
[21:04:03] <matto|wookin> if you are having trouble getting the PC versions to work, the Apple 2 versions should work perfectly with an emulator hehe :)
[21:04:25] <Rixa> I've never had an Apple nor set up an emulator for one ..
[21:04:27] * matto|wookin was introduced to Ultima w/ Ultima 4 on the Apple 2
[21:04:57] <matto|wookin> unfortunately w/ the A2 versions you had to do a lot of disk swapping
[21:05:06] <matto|wookin> if the PC version doesn't require that, then it is probably preferable
[21:05:31] <Rixa> If it can be installed on HD, or played from CD, shouldn't be a problem?
[21:05:57] <matto|wookin> it's not a problem except it's a hassle to swap the virtual disks
[21:06:43] <Rixa> Maybe I should hook up a c64 to my TV card and play Ultima V :)
[21:06:54] <matto|wookin> ;)
[22:11:23] <wjp> time for me to go; g'night
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