#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 28 Feb 2004 (GMT)

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[06:07:04] <servus> How hard could one tablet be to set up?!
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[06:35:12] <servus> I wish gnome would remember that I told it to not pop this back up ;-)
[06:35:15] <servus> Xfce time!
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[08:12:22] <Zxcvb> anyone here?
[08:13:13] <Baastuul> Yeah.
[08:13:21] <Baastuul> What's up?
[08:13:33] <Zxcvb> can't switch from windowed mode to fullscreen
[08:13:53] <Zxcvb> if I start as fullscreen, alt-enter switches to a window, but to get fullscreen I have to restart exult
[08:16:07] <Baastuul> Hmm
[08:16:10] <Baastuul> Let me try it
[08:16:15] <Baastuul> I've honestly never tinkered with it before
[08:16:19] <Baastuul> (the windowed mode thing)
[08:16:27] <Zxcvb> not to mention 1.1.9rc1a being unstable in general
[08:17:02] <Baastuul> Huh... it works for me
[08:17:22] <Baastuul> Maybe you've got an option or something selected that's causing a conflict in the video options..?
[08:17:34] <Baastuul> Not that I can think of a reason why, but it's worth taking a look
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[08:22:27] <Zxcvb_> sorry, I didn't hear anything afte Hmm
[08:22:33] <Zxcvb_> had to do a hard reboot
[08:23:29] <Zxcvb_> still alive?
[08:26:40] <Baastuul> oh
[08:26:42] <Baastuul> whoops
[08:26:43] <Baastuul> sorry yeah i am
[08:26:49] <Baastuul> [00:16:09] <Baastuul> Let me try it
[08:26:50] <Baastuul> [00:16:14] <Baastuul> I've honestly never tinkered with it before
[08:26:50] <Baastuul> [00:16:19] <Baastuul> (the windowed mode thing)
[08:26:50] <Baastuul> [00:16:28] <Zxcvb> not to mention 1.1.9rc1a being unstable in general
[08:26:50] <Baastuul> [00:17:01] <Baastuul> Huh... it works for me
[08:26:50] <Baastuul> [00:17:22] <Baastuul> Maybe you've got an option or something selected that's causing a conflict in the video options..?
[08:26:52] <Baastuul> [00:17:34] <Baastuul> Not that I can think of a reason why, but it's worth taking a look
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[08:26:57] <Baastuul> i'm cropping images for my site :p
[08:27:15] <Zxcvb_> 16, 24, or 32 bit color?
[08:27:51] <Zxcvb_> or mabye exult needs NT now
[08:29:59] <Kirben> Try F4, although it won't work in some situations.
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[08:31:13] <Baastuul> Hullo, Andersen.
[08:31:36] <Zxcvb_> nope
[08:31:41] <Zxcvb_> neither f4 or alt-enter work
[08:33:10] <Zxcvb_> does exult/win32 need NT now or something?
[08:33:20] <Kirben> No
[08:34:35] <Zxcvb_> does 1.1.9rc1a use a different SDL than beta3?
[08:35:43] <Kirben> I don't know, could just check version tabs of sdl.dll in each.
[08:36:32] <Kirben> I find switching between full-screen/windows only works once in game, but not in startup menus or during conversations.
[08:36:52] <Zxcvb_> found something ood
[08:37:07] <Zxcvb_> if I set the resolution in exult to 640x480 I can switch back
[08:37:51] <Zxcvb_> when starting in full screen, the game takes up part of the screen with a black border around it
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[08:38:42] <Baastuul> I think his computer hates him.
[08:38:53] * Baastuul nods.
[08:38:59] <Baastuul> Zxcvb, ye live in strange times.
[08:39:04] * Baastuul wags a prophetic finger.
[08:39:12] <Zxcvb_> can you force exult not to use directx for video perhaps?
[08:40:57] <Kirben> Check http://sdldoc.csn.ul.ie/sdlenvvars.php
[08:41:25] <Kirben> A 'set SDL_VIDEODRIVER windib' should do it.
[08:51:51] <Baastuul> Night all.
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[08:53:18] <Zxcvb_> brb, revooting
[08:53:22] <Zxcvb_> rebooting
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[10:19:56] <Dominus|away> I think there is a environment setting that makes sdl use windib.
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[10:22:07] <Zxcvb> is exult supposed to be slower than u7win9x on a p233 (oldgames box)?
[10:22:41] <Dominus|away> yes
[10:23:05] <Dominus|away> well, supposed to is the wrong word, but it is slower :-)
[10:23:35] <Dominus|away> turning off scaling helps mostly, and I guess running the unscaled exult fullscreen would help too
[10:23:50] <Zxcvb> how does it compare to ultima 7 on the recommended system?
[10:23:58] <Dominus|away> and using the fmsynth music driver and turning off sfx
[10:24:14] <Dominus|away> huh? recommended system?
[10:25:20] <Dominus|away> the recommended system for the original?
[10:25:32] <Zxcvb> yes\
[10:25:37] <Zxcvb> 50mhz 486, I think
[10:25:48] <Dominus|away> that would not be easy to run exult in the first place
[10:26:04] <Zxcvb> no, exult on a p233 vs. ultima 7 on a 50mhz 486
[10:26:18] <Dominus|away> we have no idea
[10:26:43] <Dominus|away> no one compared these two
[10:27:12] <Dominus|away> you'd need someone with an old ultima 7 on a 50mhz 486 and a p233
[10:28:07] <Zxcvb> I'm suprised u7run is faster
[10:28:19] <Dominus|away> why?
[10:29:08] <Zxcvb> u7run is trapping and emulating voodoo calls
[10:29:09] <Dominus|away> u7urun doesn't slow down the game and with it u7 is running on a much powerfull system than it was supposed to
[10:29:22] <Zxcvb> u7run does slow down the game
[10:29:28] <Dominus|away> but not much
[10:29:58] <Zxcvb> it has to catch the fault, determine what voodoo was trying to do, fake the voodoo memory management, and return execution
[10:29:58] <Dominus|away> if you want to use windib driver you have to set SDL_VIDEODRIVER=windib as an environment setting
[10:30:23] <Dominus|away> yeah, I know, but that still leaves a lot power
[10:30:40] <Dominus|away> I think I ran it myself on a p233 (ages ago)
[10:31:20] <Zxcvb> yeah, I have a faster system, it's just annoying to have to switch between them for ultima 7 and ultima6/8/underworld/etc
[10:32:01] <Zxcvb> a 1.6ghz p2 isn't fast enough for dosbox (at least until the dynamic core gets more stable)
[10:32:06] <Zxcvb> p4, that is
[10:32:37] <Zxcvb> no ems on that machine at all, and I hear even 2k/xp need a 64k window between 610k and 1m
[10:33:49] <Dominus|away> ah, no ems is bad. it normally helps turning off some extras in the bios (like usb and or firewire)
[10:34:38] <Zxcvb> I was hoping 2k/xp would emulate it like dosemu would, so the 64k window wouldn't matter
[10:34:51] <Zxcvb> guess 2k/xp's dos emulation stinks
[10:34:59] <Dominus|away> did you see my tip on how to run exult via windib and not directx?
[10:35:06] <Zxcvb> yeah
[10:36:06] <Dominus|away> well, all that stuff works on my machine's command prompt and I am running XP (also worked on my p233 and p1 GHz while running W2k/XP)
[10:36:27] <Dominus|away> it's just that ems problem that some machines have
[10:36:44] <Dominus|away> my laptop for example also has that problem
[10:36:47] <Zxcvb> but I thought xp didn't use real dos mode like 98 did, but faked it
[10:37:01] <Zxcvb> so I was hoping that even though dos/98 couldn't provide EMS, that xp could
[10:37:15] <Dominus|away> yep, but still a lot of dos games work (all those you mentioned above without u7)
[10:37:27] <Zxcvb> u7 will work now
[10:37:47] <Dominus|away> yeah, my fault
[10:37:50] <Dominus|away> u7xp
[10:37:56] <Dominus|away> I know but forgot
[10:38:07] <Zxcvb> someone ported u7run.vxd to the nt kernel
[10:38:45] <Dominus|away> so if the games don'T work on your machine's command prompt it is the fault of your machine and not XP/2k's fault
[10:39:20] <Zxcvb> but xp does require a 64k window between 640k and 1mb?
[10:39:36] <Dominus|away> that memeory address area that you'd need for EMS is used up by some hardware on your machine
[10:39:57] <Dominus|away> (bad explanation but roughly correct)
[10:40:27] <Dominus|away> If I turn on my raid controller in the bios I have no EMS in the command prompt
[10:40:43] <Zxcvb> but in v8086 mode, you could just map the hardware somewhere else and map the EMS space where the hardware was
[10:40:49] <Zxcvb> I assume that is how dosemu does it
[10:41:27] <Dominus|away> dosemu is a "whole" emulator, NT command prompt is not
[10:41:45] <Zxcvb> no, dosbox is a whole emulator with cpu
[10:41:57] <Zxcvb> dosemu uses v8086 like windows and os/2
[10:41:57] <Dominus|away> stop being so nitpicky
[10:43:37] <Zxcvb> of course, xp can't even handle running software as non-admin that wants to write to hklm (by redirecting to say, hkcu\hklm), so dos emulation probably isn't so good either
[10:48:52] <Dominus|away> you did notice my "whole"?
[11:11:00] <Zxcvb> yeah, in other words xp's dos subsystem stinks
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[13:51:53] <Fingolfin> g'day
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[15:05:40] <U7Wizard> hi
[15:50:50] <Dominus|away> hi
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[15:51:23] <Dominus> U7Wizard: seems that with your question to Origin you might have been a bit late :-)
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[16:00:26] <U7Wizard> what do you mean?
[16:02:19] <U7Wizard> did i miss any news?
[16:03:06] <Dominus> yup, EA closed down Origin
[16:03:07] <Dominus> http://games.slashdot.org/games/04/02/24/0352257.shtml
[16:03:55] <U7Wizard> lol
[16:04:07] <U7Wizard> well then my mail to origin will have no effect, yea..
[16:04:31] <Dominus> that was about a day or two after you were here :-)
[16:04:45] <U7Wizard> i think my email provoqued that
[16:04:46] <U7Wizard> lolol
[16:04:48] <U7Wizard> ;-)
[16:04:57] <Dominus> he he
[16:05:13] <Dominus> you need to find a person in EA for that now :-)
[16:05:19] <U7Wizard> yup
[16:13:43] <Dominus> ok, we crashed when I cliked ok (old chunk file or so question)
[16:19:50] <Dominus> whoever we are at the moment or where and when
[16:20:11] * Dominus thinks it's best if everyone ignores his ramblings
[16:21:07] <U7Wizard> lol
[16:21:13] <U7Wizard> i didn't understand a word anyway
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[16:32:17] <Dominus> I'm off doing housework... (cleaning the kitchen)
[17:31:38] <Dominus> phew.. done
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[17:45:04] <WishStone> huhu all
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[17:45:26] <Wishy|Washing> Laundry day ;D
[17:59:29] <wjp> wishy-washy?
[18:00:02] <Wishy|Washing> Yepps ;D
[18:03:33] <wjp> I don't understand the reply of 'barak' on the forum
[18:03:39] <wjp> did he even read my post?
[18:03:48] <Dominus> don't think so
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