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[00:36:12] <ryan_> wahay! is this for the ultima 7 clone?
[00:41:33] <Matt_O> IT SURE IS
[00:42:22] * ryan_ is a big ultime iv fan
[00:49:03] <ryan_> i put the exult map together and got it printed at about a metre square - it kinda has a serous presense in my bedroom :-)
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[03:21:44] <SB-X> hi Quester
[03:23:14] <Quester> hi
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[07:14:58] <SB-X> ultime iv?
[07:15:06] <SB-X> dont you mean ultima vii :)
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[07:27:49] <ryan_> hehe - yeah, its very big though and ive kind of gotten a bit detached from the storyline and gotten myself fliting from place to place .. too much state to remmember! :-)
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[07:30:08] <wjp|work> hi
[07:30:18] <Quester> hi
[07:31:11] <wjp|work> i put the exult map together and got it printed at about a metre square <-- cool :-)
[07:31:24] <wjp|work> mine are only A4-sized :-)
[07:32:26] * Quester want printed map too :)
[07:35:51] <ryan_> :) my girlfriend and family have been very supporting .. :-D
[07:38:39] <ryan_> soo what kind of things do you guys discuss on here... i mean many question are spoilers for someone who doesn't know anything about the thing you're asking about
[07:42:59] <ryan_> i was gunna ask about the building that the Britans tore down in the north of britan - it seeems quite far away from the town to me. if i have the right one (it has a little bridge immediately to the east of it)
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[08:11:09] <wjp|work> don't worry about spoilers
[08:13:04] <ryan_> cool. unfortunately i have to go 2 work now :-|
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[11:09:34] <Colourless> hi
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[11:21:05] <wjp|work> hi Fingolfin
[11:21:17] <wjp|work> and Ryan :-)
[11:22:01] <wjp|work> Fingolfin: we tagged cvs for the 1.1beta1 release, btw "Release1_1Beta1"
[11:22:12] <Fingolfin> ah
[11:22:58] <Colourless> hi Fingolfin
[11:23:05] * DarkeZzz waves. Hiya all.
[11:23:53] * DarkeZzz had a 'minor' hardware failure. His network card decided to let out the magic smoke and die. Trying to find a good spare, and not a cruddy 3com one was difficult. *grin*
[11:24:11] <Colourless> it sleeps, yet still greets
[11:27:05] <DarkeZzz> Yes. Yes it does. *grin*
[11:29:37] <Fingolfin> so do we have tarballs, too ? with premade configure etc. -> to make officials build from
[11:31:59] <wjp|work> there's a dist tarball on SF
[11:33:56] <Fingolfin> 'k
[11:38:44] <Fingolfin> I'll try to build from that tarball (that will be a good test if it works on OS X out of the box, too :-)
[11:39:19] <Colourless> knowing us, it wont :-)
[11:39:37] <Fingolfin> well then we just re-release it as 1.1beta1v2
[11:39:40] <Fingolfin> =)
[11:39:45] <Colourless> would be a problem with 1 line in some obscure part of exult
[11:39:54] <Fingolfin> prolly :-)
[11:40:29] <Colourless> then once you get it to compile, it wont link because some system specific file wasn't included in the dist
[11:44:06] <Fingolfin> muwahaha
[11:44:12] <Fingolfin> or the version in the Info.plist will be wrong
[11:44:37] <Fingolfin> (one of the lesser problems, I know, and I just checked, the only thing that's wrong is the copyright data =)
[11:44:39] <Fingolfin> date even
[11:44:42] <Fingolfin> 2000-2002
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[13:11:17] <Fingolfin> hm, strange
[13:11:34] <Fingolfin> checking the build, it actually compiled *and* linked fine
[13:11:34] <Fingolfin> odd 8-)
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[13:45:15] <wjp|work> Fingolfin: it did? are you sure you have the latest version? ;-)
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[14:48:20] <Fingolfin> wjp|work: well I used the tarball
[14:49:14] <wjp|work> oh wow
[14:50:19] <Fingolfin> hrm it would still be kinda cool if the data/ folder could be embedded into the Exult.app bundle... I thought I had implemented that long ago, but apparently, I never did
[14:58:46] <wjp|work> we talked about it once or twice I think
[14:59:57] <Fingolfin> you know it would be really nice to add a file (or rather, directory) selector dialog for when no data file path is specified
[15:00:57] <Fingolfin> it would make it possible to setup Exult w/o ever editing the config file
[15:00:57] <Fingolfin> esp. for mac users an important feature
[15:00:57] <Fingolfin> i.e. not write our own file selector, just use the "native" one where present...
[15:00:58] <Fingolfin> I still have those dreams of SDL_fileselector and SDL_clipboard and SDL_message_dialog libs which can be used to tie SDL apps closer into the system
[15:01:02] <Fingolfin> :-)
[15:02:40] <Fingolfin> it would be nice if we had a nice background for the Exult disk image (the window, I mean)
[15:05:21] <wjp|work> nice dreams :-)
[15:05:43] <Fingolfin> works well for ScummVM... ja2ke made one for me =)
[15:07:23] <Fingolfin> once this is "official", somebody (Jeff?) should post a SF.net news item, so that we have a chance to get to the SF.net front page
[15:07:29] <Fingolfin> *cough*
[15:10:27] * wjp|work nods
[15:10:30] <wjp|work> :-)
[15:11:12] <Fingolfin> 1.1 OS dmg is in the FRS now
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[16:22:38] <wjp|work> Fingolfin: great :-)
[16:22:45] <wjp|work> so I guess all is set for a public release
[16:23:11] <wjp|work> anyway, time to go home; bbl
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[19:32:19] <Dominus> hi
[19:33:18] <Fingolfin> yo
[19:38:29] <Dominus> anybody doing some exult webpage editing already?
[19:47:54] <Dominus> anyway I'm trying my hand on the website now...
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[19:49:03] <Fl00der> good evening
[19:49:15] <Dominus> hi
[19:49:30] <Fl00der> are you one of the exult makers ?
[19:49:59] <Dominus> yes, the documentation,FAQ guy
[19:50:14] <Fl00der> nice
[19:50:15] <Dominus> Fingolfin and wjp are also developers
[19:50:19] <Fl00der> ok
[19:50:24] <Fl00der> Exult is really good work :)
[19:50:40] <Fl00der> do you guys update exult still ?
[19:51:06] <Dominus> at the moment we are releasing 1.1.beta1 :-)
[19:51:21] <Fl00der> nice :D
[19:51:39] <Fl00der> stealing is sometimes weird still.....sometimes people care when I steal and sometimes not :S
[19:52:00] <Fl00der> but maybe it was weird on original version already :P
[19:52:13] <Fl00der> btw, my english is not 100 % because I am finnish :)
[19:52:35] <Dominus> no, stealing is not working as it should
[19:52:41] <Dominus> your english is fine
[19:52:41] <Fl00der> ok
[19:52:46] <Fl00der> thank you
[19:53:12] <Fl00der> but Exult is really good anyway :)
[19:54:20] <Fl00der> hmm....
[19:54:43] <Fl00der> why it is so quietly here ? 5 users and 3 ops....:S
[19:54:49] <Dominus> yeah, 1.1.x has some new features
[19:55:18] <Fl00der> I just downloaded it :)
[19:55:23] <Dominus> it seems the others are doing something else
[19:55:29] <Fl00der> what new features example ?
[19:55:36] <Fl00der> can you say few / all things :P ?
[19:55:43] <Dominus> not really atm
[19:55:47] <Dominus> not that I don't want
[19:56:01] <Dominus> but I'm doing the website changes right now :-(
[19:56:02] <Fl00der> ok....np
[19:56:09] <Fl00der> ah. I see
[19:56:27] <Fl00der> put some new pictures ;)
[19:56:30] <Dominus> there is a file in the release called News
[19:56:42] <Dominus> it has the news (obviously ) :-)
[19:57:02] <Fl00der> heh
[19:57:07] <Fl00der> true
[19:57:10] <Fl00der> thx
[19:57:12] <Fl00der> for info
[19:57:31] <Fl00der> erh. this is why my nick is what it is :P I write short lines :P it's my habit :P
[19:57:42] <Fl00der> but don't kick me :)
[19:57:45] <Fl00der> please :)
[19:58:03] <Dominus> don't worry
[19:58:16] <Fl00der> :)
[20:00:08] <Fl00der> now excuse me. I test new exult :)
[20:00:13] <Fl00der> 1.1.x
[20:00:38] <Dominus> have you downloaded the snapshot or the really new release (that is not yet found on the webpage)?
[20:00:47] <Fl00der> hmm
[20:00:48] <Fl00der> nope
[20:00:57] <Fl00der> snapshot
[20:01:00] <Fl00der> is there newer ?
[20:01:10] <Fl00der> where can I find it :P ?
[20:01:14] <Dominus> if you wait just a little bit longer you can have a go at the offficial 1.1beta1
[20:01:21] <Fl00der> ah
[20:01:22] <Fl00der> I can wait
[20:01:32] <Dominus> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/exult/exult-1.1Beta1-win32.exe?download
[20:01:40] <Dominus> for the win32 version
[20:01:45] <Fl00der> ok
[20:01:50] <Fl00der> I use windows
[20:01:58] <Fl00der> that is newest ? :)
[20:02:07] <Dominus> brand new
[20:02:13] <Fl00der> thank you :)
[20:02:31] <Fl00der> stealing works now 100 % or ?
[20:02:52] <Dominus> nope
[20:02:54] <Fl00der> ah. I thought so
[20:03:50] <Fl00der> stupid question but Do you play much Ultima 7 (exult) ?
[20:04:07] <Dominus> not really
[20:04:10] <Fl00der> ah
[20:04:13] <Fl00der> why not ?
[20:04:18] <Fl00der> what do you play then ? :)
[20:04:38] <Dominus> too often play tested features and then made the initial run through SI (back then with coutnless bugs)
[20:04:49] <Dominus> not much atm
[20:04:55] <Fl00der> ok
[20:05:12] <Fl00der> well. it was nice to talk to you....I go now test brand new exult :)
[20:05:19] <Fl00der> thank you for your time :)
[20:05:48] <Dominus> have fun
[20:06:04] <Fl00der> ty
[20:06:06] <Fl00der> now -->
[20:06:14] <Fl00der> one more thing
[20:06:22] <Fl00der> why Exult crashed when I put OpenGL ?
[20:06:23] <Fl00der> :)
[20:06:41] <Fl00der> maybe because I have ATI radeon videocard ?
[20:06:47] <Dominus> wasn't compiled with openGL
[20:07:02] <Dominus> hmm, that should not have been there in the selection, I guess
[20:07:18] <Dominus> just don't use opengl :-)
[20:09:10] <Fl00der> ok
[20:09:22] <Fl00der> why digital music doesn't work :P ?
[20:09:27] <Fl00der> oh well. this is beta still :)
[20:09:38] <Dominus> because you need to read the documentation
[20:09:43] <Fl00der> ah
[20:09:45] <Fl00der> sry :)
[20:09:47] <Fl00der> I was too hurry
[20:11:21] <Fl00der> hmm
[20:11:23] <Fl00der> where is doc ?
[20:11:37] <Dominus> either the readme.html
[20:11:42] <Fl00der> ah
[20:11:43] <Fl00der> k
[20:11:45] <Fl00der> ty
[20:11:57] <Dominus> or the fille called readme or the documenation on our webpage
[20:17:54] <Dominus> wjp, Fingolfin: I'm comitting my changes to the web cvs right now
[20:17:56] <Cahaan> Dominus
[20:18:13] <Cahaan> is Ultima 7 using some algorithm like A* for the pathfinding, or is it pre-calculated ?
[20:18:14] <Dominus> should I update the webpage with it now?
[20:18:21] <Dominus> Cahaan
[20:18:44] <Fingolfin> Dominus: what changes are that?
[20:19:01] <Dominus> Cahaan: I guess some algo but I'm not the one doing anything with the code
[20:19:10] <Dominus> Fingolfin: rlease stuff?
[20:19:13] <Cahaan> okies :) ty
[20:19:20] <Dominus> changes to news, history and download
[20:20:20] <Fingolfin> Dominus: is somebody posting a SF.net news item, too? and shouldn't we wait till there is at least a Linux binary?
[20:20:53] <Dominus> we can wait, I just changed the web cvs but not the actual webpage yet
[20:21:27] <Dominus> as for sf.nes item, no one has said anything about doing it yet
[20:21:29] <wjp> Cahaan: it's using A*
[20:22:02] <wjp> Fingolfin: linux binary?
[20:22:16] <Cahaan> thanks wjp
[20:22:40] <Fingolfin> RPM/.deb/etc.... don't we do that for exult, too? like for ScummVM, where we try to provide binaries for all platforms
[20:22:44] <Cahaan> but is there some precalculated paths like Patterson when he goes to see his mistress ?
[20:22:55] <wjp> no
[20:23:18] <Cahaan> okey
[20:23:22] <Cahaan> thx :)
[20:25:03] <wjp> Fingolfin: well, yes... but that would require somebody running RH9, debian, ... :/
[20:26:21] <Fl00der> hello. im back
[20:26:27] <Fl00der> new exult is good :)
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[20:28:44] <Fl00der> stealing doesn't work 100 %...
[20:29:05] <Dominus> yeah, we know
[20:29:20] <Fl00der> I know that...just saying :)
[20:29:54] <Dominus> it is on our list of the "not-so-important-things-to-do" (wjp and Fingolfin, please don'T ask me for THAT list :-))
[20:30:17] <Fl00der> I see
[20:30:23] <Fl00der> what is your most important list now ?
[20:30:36] <Fl00der> I mean things to do. you know what I mean...
[20:30:44] <Dominus> the list on out bug tracker
[20:30:57] <Dominus> Exult is mostly done since 1.0
[20:30:57] <Fl00der> there is bugs ?
[20:31:02] <Fl00der> can't see them :)
[20:31:11] <Dominus> all other stuff is more or less new features
[20:31:20] <Fl00der> ok
[20:31:25] <Dominus> http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=2335 -> bug tracker
[20:31:44] <Fl00der> my exult doesn't crash never :P
[20:32:24] <Dominus> Fingolfin: did I do the download.dat correctly? -> just put in the correct file name on sf?
[20:32:39] <Dominus> Fl00der: It shouldn't really crash anymore
[20:32:57] <Fl00der> eh ?
[20:33:02] <Fl00der> ah
[20:33:05] <Fl00der> good
[20:44:03] <Fl00der> can anyone say what is original framerate ?
[20:44:27] <wjp> it depended on your system speed
[20:45:33] <Fl00der> ok...
[20:45:44] <Fl00der> I think it's 2 on my computer
[20:46:12] <wjp> oh, that framerate
[20:46:18] <Fl00der> yes
[20:46:20] <Fl00der> lol
[20:46:48] <wjp> isn't 2 awfully slow?
[20:46:48] <Dominus> set it to 5, I'd say
[20:47:04] <Fl00der> erh
[20:47:13] <Fl00der> 2 is original :P
[20:47:15] <Fl00der> right ?
[20:47:36] <wjp> what do you mean by 'original'?
[20:47:44] <Fl00der> well without Exult
[20:48:17] <Fl00der> well, just wanted to know. it is not important
[20:48:45] <Fl00der> pssst. I hope you make stealing more working...
[20:48:52] <Fl00der> :)
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[20:52:40] <Fl00der> 4 is best I think...
[20:52:58] <Fl00der> it is not awful slow to move...
[20:53:10] <Fl00der> I think I found one bug....
[20:53:54] <Dominus> shoot
[20:53:55] <DarkeZzz> Hrm... I just *knew* there was a downside to corrupting people on the exult team to use source compiled distros... *grin*
[20:53:56] <Fl00der> when I run and sometimes avatar slows down and just walks when i try run....
[20:54:13] <Fl00der> hmm. hard to explain :P, do you know what I mean ? if not. I try explain better
[20:54:39] <Dominus> did you try the new party formation?
[20:54:46] <Fl00der> nope...
[20:54:56] <Fl00der> I just played like old days
[20:55:12] <wjp> this should happen when monsters are nearby
[20:55:31] <Fl00der> you see. when I run for a while...avatar slows down a lot and can't go fast but when I teleport few times. moving works normal
[20:55:42] <Dominus> wjp: is new party formation default now?
[20:56:05] <wjp> no idea
[20:56:29] <Fl00der> well try test that and think is it bug or does it need to fix
[20:57:22] <Dominus> are your companions near you when you slow down?
[20:57:37] <wjp> are there monsters nearby when you slow down?
[20:57:39] <Dominus> I think they might be trying to catch up to you
[20:58:19] <wjp> what was the setting for that party formation stuff again?
[20:58:26] <Fl00der> no monsters
[20:58:45] <wjp> ah, gameplay/formation
[20:59:18] <wjp> default seems to be yes
[20:59:48] <Dominus> ok, then it is okay
[21:00:05] <Dominus> yes forces original formation according to the readme
[21:00:54] <Fl00der> one thing
[21:01:10] <Fl00der> does "update exult" option work ?
[21:01:43] <Fl00der> when I install
[21:01:56] <wjp> I suppose it does
[21:01:59] <Fl00der> good
[21:02:07] <Dominus> yes
[21:02:09] <Fl00der> at least version is right
[21:02:12] <Fl00der> ok
[21:02:37] <Dominus> you could open the exult.cfg with notepad, search for formation
[21:02:44] <Dominus> it should look like
[21:02:51] <Fl00der> ok....
[21:03:17] <Dominus> <formation>
[21:03:21] <Dominus> yes
[21:03:21] <Dominus> </formation>
[21:03:48] <Fl00der> looks good....
[21:03:57] <Fl00der> ...well maybe it was nothing what I mentioned :)
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[21:48:43] * ryan wonders if he should play serpent isle for a bit.
[21:49:02] <Dominus> always a good idea
[21:49:45] <Fl00der> ryan: play black gate, it's better and bigger :)
[21:50:05] <Fl00der> that's even better idea :P
[21:50:27] <wjp> or you can play U8, that's even.. uh... nvm.. not quite finished yet :-)
[21:50:56] <Fl00der> :P
[21:50:56] <Dominus> hmm
[21:51:16] <Dominus> I have a finished version of U8 on my Ultima Collection CD :-)
[21:51:31] <ryan> i'm kinda suffering from BG being so big....i'm a bit daunted (and my head is too small to hold all the stuff! :-)
[21:51:35] <wjp> uh, no you don't; the plot was cut! *phew* :-)
[21:51:50] <Fl00der> hehe
[21:51:56] <Dominus> he he
[21:52:16] <Dominus> ok, wjp, you win, but just barely
[21:52:19] <Fl00der> isn't U8 kinda boring ? it's in dungeons all the time
[21:52:23] <wjp> ha! ;-P
[21:52:32] <ryan> ? u mean the ultima collection cd has a cut down u8?
[21:52:37] <wjp> no
[21:52:41] <ryan> good
[21:52:43] <Fl00der> boring is not right word. I am sorry for that
[21:52:51] <Fl00der> ultima is never boring. :D
[21:53:04] <wjp> oh... dunno... that test of purity with the worms... :-)
[21:53:10] <Fl00der> U7 black gate is best ultima :)
[21:53:18] <Dominus> U8 is not really boring, just ... different
[21:53:23] <Fl00der> with addon of course :P
[21:53:33] <Fl00der> domi: true. I agree. I just said wrong :)
[21:53:36] <ryan> Fl00der: what about U IV!
[21:53:44] <Fl00der> uh oh
[21:53:53] <Fl00der> I like more graphical :P
[21:54:15] <Fl00der> but all ultima's are best rpg's
[21:54:16] <Dominus> then u8 is the best
[21:54:21] <Dominus> (or maybe even u9)
[21:54:25] <Fl00der> lol
[21:54:29] <Fl00der> I mean
[21:54:45] <Fl00der> more graphical than Ulitma 1 2 or or 4 or 5 or 6 :)
[21:55:03] <Fl00der> oh nvm :P. im tired and confused
[21:55:07] <Dominus> I think u6 was okay
[21:55:07] * ryan also likes www.ADOM.de
[21:55:11] <Fl00der> ye
[21:55:43] <Fl00der> all ultimas are okay
[21:56:50] <Dominus> I never finished u1-3
[21:57:05] <Fl00der> pssst. can I tell secret ?
[21:57:14] <Dominus> well, got to go
[21:57:18] <Dominus> bye
[21:57:23] <Dominus> yes?
[21:57:25] <Fl00der> ok. bye
[21:57:29] <Fl00der> yes....
[21:57:37] <Fl00der> there will be Ultima X
[21:57:38] <Cahaan> U8 was the worst
[21:57:41] <Fl00der> :P
[21:57:44] <Cahaan> U7 was the best of course
[21:57:44] <Fl00der> it is coming I guess
[21:57:45] <Cahaan> :)
[21:57:51] <Fl00der> :D
[21:58:00] <Fl00der> cahaan: U7 IS the best
[21:58:10] <Cahaan> exactly :)
[21:58:18] <Fl00der> I think Ultima X is coming but im not sure :P
[21:58:20] <Dominus> bye
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[21:58:24] <Fl00der> but I have heard rumors...
[21:58:26] <Fl00der> bye
[21:58:26] <Fl00der> :P
[21:58:35] <Cahaan> Underworld is damn legendary too but its' another company/another genre
[21:58:44] <Fl00der> yes
[21:59:42] <Fl00der> cahaan
[21:59:56] <Fl00der> what part of ultima you play now ?
[22:02:00] <Cahaan> I just started part I for the third time (first time with exult though)
[22:02:22] <Cahaan> I played part II twice
[22:02:45] <Cahaan> (I mean I finished it twice of courseÓ
[22:02:53] <Fl00der> you mean ultima 7 ?
[22:02:57] <Cahaan> yup
[22:03:02] <Fl00der> ok
[22:03:07] <Fl00der> btw
[22:03:09] <Cahaan> I finished underworld 6 times
[22:03:16] <Fl00der> what means that ring ?
[22:03:17] <Cahaan> and underworld 2: 2 times
[22:03:26] <Cahaan> which ring ?
[22:03:27] <Fl00der> it can turn yellow
[22:03:29] <Fl00der> or white
[22:03:33] <Fl00der> on ultima 7
[22:03:38] <Cahaan> part I?
[22:03:49] <Fl00der> yes....and part two too I guess
[22:03:53] <Fl00der> when you open inventory
[22:03:58] <Cahaan> hmmm
[22:04:03] <Fl00der> double click avatar or someone....
[22:04:12] <Cahaan> ok wait
[22:04:19] <wjp> protection mode
[22:04:20] <Fl00der> and then you see. what you are wearing...and there is combat mode...
[22:04:21] <Fl00der> and ring
[22:04:28] <Cahaan> oh yes protection mode
[22:04:31] <Cahaan> during fights
[22:04:33] <Fl00der> ok...
[22:04:36] <Cahaan> other will protect him
[22:04:43] <Fl00der> I see..
[22:04:45] <Fl00der> thank you
[22:05:17] <Cahaan> btw where does the Exult introduction screen music come from ?
[22:06:04] <Fl00der> hmm
[22:06:06] <Fl00der> good Q
[22:06:06] <Cahaan> damn I remember when I heard the U7 introduction screen music for the first time :) it rocks
[22:06:09] <Fl00der> I don't know
[22:06:14] <Fl00der> heh
[22:06:31] <Cahaan> OH NO NOT STONES AGAIN
[22:06:32] <Fl00der> butterfly rocks :P
[22:06:34] <Fl00der> on start
[22:06:37] <Fl00der> hehe
[22:06:42] <Fl00der> that's from SI
[22:15:33] <Fl00der> now I go sleep
[22:15:39] <ryan> :-)
[22:15:40] <Fl00der> zzzZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-->
[22:15:42] <Fl00der> bye
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