#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 28 Mar 2002 (GMT)

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[10:11:59] <Dominus> hi
[10:12:06] <Darke> Hi.
[10:16:58] <Dominus> I'll be back later :-)
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[10:30:28] <Darke> Hi.
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[12:06:24] <Darke> Greetings non-coloured one.
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[12:15:43] <Colourless> uh, hi :-)
[12:17:47] <Darke> Greetings non-coloured one with a... suboptimal internet connection. <grin>
[12:19:00] <Colourless> actually i remained connected to the internet the entire time... that was caused by 'something' else
[12:19:10] * Colourless curses Creative Labs
[12:22:29] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[12:22:59] * Darke wonders why Colourless is cursing.
[12:23:59] <Colourless> well, is it not common knowledge that Creative Labs shows unrivaled incompetance when making drivers for WinNT based systems.
[12:26:00] <Kirben> What is the problem ?
[12:26:47] <Fingolfin> creative labs is,
[12:26:53] <Fingolfin> at least to my understanding =)
[12:27:15] <Colourless> sfman.sys bluescreened me :-)
[12:27:21] <Kirben> Their windows 2000/xp drivers aren't the best but at least are stable
[12:27:32] <Darke> Colourless: Hmm... I never really noticed. I've had problems with creative drivers, for all the time I was running one version of windows or the other.
[12:27:47] <Kirben> oh, audigiy ?
[12:27:53] <Colourless> sb live
[12:28:36] <Kirben> sb live value here
[12:29:05] <Kirben> could try 3520 drivers if you have not already
[12:29:18] <Colourless> i've no clue what drivers i'm using
[12:29:39] <Kirben> http://shs-sound.paraknowya.com/
[12:30:19] <Kirben> never had sound card blue screen on me but I always stick with default soundfonts
[12:31:02] <Colourless> i don't. i use my own
[12:32:03] <Kirben> using windows xp ?
[12:32:06] <Colourless> sometimes the soundfont loader just goes to hell. it just wont load any soundfonts at all. othertimes it load some, but not others.
[12:32:10] <Colourless> yeah XP
[12:32:26] <Kirben> default drivers included with XP had a few issues
[12:32:31] <Colourless> i'm not using default
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[13:48:24] <Dominus> hi
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[15:21:53] <nothing> wb Colourless
[15:21:55] <nothing> are you here?
[15:21:58] <Colourless> yes
[15:22:04] <nothing> how's the exult project?
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[15:23:25] <Colourless> exult goes well
[15:23:56] <nothing> how is the techdemo
[15:24:03] <nothing> i wanted to download that but it was taken down from the site
[15:25:49] <nothing> ?
[15:26:50] <nothing> Colourless: ?
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[15:27:01] <nothing> ?
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[15:27:04] <Colourless> techdemo?
[15:27:08] <nothing> yes
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[15:27:14] <nothing> the exult techdemo someone told me about
[15:27:18] <Colourless> what techdemo?
[15:30:51] <Fingolfin> hu?
[15:30:56] * Fingolfin is confused as well
[15:31:08] <Fingolfin> nothing: no idea what you are talking about, what is it supposed to do?
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[16:18:28] <wjp> hi
[16:18:33] <Fingolfin> yo
[16:18:35] <Colourless> hi
[17:20:48] <Colourless> time to go
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[18:25:34] <Dominus> hi
[18:25:57] <Dominus> nothing: about that Techdemo, I guess you are talking about the Ultima 1 Remake (they have a techdemo)
[18:26:11] <Dominus> http://www.peroxide.dk/ultima/
[18:26:38] <nothing> no
[18:26:40] <nothing> not that
[18:26:42] <nothing> the exult thingie
[18:27:03] <Dominus> well exult can be found at exult.sf.net
[18:27:12] <Dominus> but we never had and never will have a techdemo
[18:29:00] <Dominus> I got my package today (the original U7 in 3.5" disks)
[18:31:40] <Dominus> he he, lately I wondered why I couldn't play U8 or Crusader in plain Dos! Well, I forgot that these games have also a system RAM limit of 128 MB
[18:31:52] <Dominus> Origin, can you spell stupid?
[18:34:20] <nothing> uhm
[18:34:36] <Dominus> ?
[18:34:46] <nothing> play them in windows
[18:34:54] <Fingolfin> Dominus: hey, then I might get my U6 anytime soon, too =)
[18:35:06] <nothing> heh
[18:35:28] <nothing> i bought the U7 part 1 & 2 CD box set (blue box with the serpent on the front) when it first came out
[18:35:29] <Dominus> nothing: you can play U8 in Windows with a fan patch but there is no such patch for either Crusader game
[18:35:40] <Dominus> Fingolfin: yep!
[18:35:47] <nothing> back in ~1994
[18:36:04] <nothing> i have an original U6 box set with 5 1/4" disks
[18:36:13] <nothing> my cousin stole it for me from his school
[18:36:13] <nothing> heh
[18:36:18] <nothing> back in ~1993
[18:36:27] <nothing> fun times
[18:36:30] <Dominus> nothing: I own that version, I own two Ultima Collections and now I own the original Black Gate release (which is worth more to me than either of those other versions)
[18:36:31] <nothing> i loved that game when i was younger
[18:36:50] <Fingolfin> Dominus: mine is golden, form 1996
[18:36:52] <nothing> i also bought the U8 CD boxset later on
[18:36:56] <Fingolfin> that is I bought it in 97 or 98 I think
[18:37:01] <nothing> in ~1994-1995
[18:37:22] <nothing> how old are all you guys?
[18:37:54] <Dominus> I'm going to try to play the original with Exult to see if I catch another bug that is not showing in the UC version
[18:38:04] <Dominus> 25, close to 26
[18:38:41] <nothing> ah
[18:38:51] <nothing> i got into ultima when i was really young
[18:38:54] <nothing> like 9 years old
[18:39:02] <nothing> saw my cousin play u6 at his house
[18:39:12] * nothing is 18 now
[18:39:26] <nothing> have you guys played Ultima Online?
[18:39:33] <Dominus> I have
[18:43:18] * wjp played it for a month
[18:52:00] <wjp> any idea if a zero-length memcpy from NULL will work? (ie. not segfault)
[18:52:20] <Dominus> me not know
[18:52:26] <Dominus> perhaps Darke
[18:52:31] * wjp will just try it
[18:52:38] <Dominus> but I guess he just forgot to log off again
[18:52:50] <wjp> yeah, happens a lot the last few days :-)
[18:55:20] <Fingolfin> wjp: I wouldn't bet on it; i.e. it might work on some systems, but I doubt it'll work everywhere. why????
[18:55:43] <wjp> oh, just wondering if I could pass a NULL pointer to Send_data if I wanted to send an empty buffer
[18:55:55] <wjp> (with datalen == 0)
[18:56:12] <wjp> I decided just to add a check for datalen == 0 in Send_data
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[18:58:44] <wjp> but on second thought I do need a send one whole byte :-)
[18:58:59] <wjp> s/a/to/
[19:01:25] <Fingolfin> hehe
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[20:36:27] <matto> Soul|SERV: thanks for the update on your network interfaces
[20:37:03] <nothing> uh
[20:37:08] <nothing> wtf
[20:41:22] <Dominus> ?logs
[20:41:22] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[20:41:46] <Dominus> nothing: if you read about the last 4-6 months you might understand :-)
[20:45:26] <nothing> riight
[20:47:14] <matto> nothing: I don't know what Dominus is talking about either
[20:49:16] <matto> Dominus: Ich haette eine geniale Idee fuer etwas das man in Exult einbauen sollte. Warum verwendet ihr sie nicht bzw. baut sie in Exult ein ?
[20:49:54] <Dominus> oh no, not again your damn FAQ :-)
[20:50:21] <matto> :)
[20:50:33] <matto> Eine bessere Frage waere, warum baust du sie nicht ein ?
[20:58:27] <Fingolfin> btw, folks, I am not 3/4 thru the first volume of WoT, and so far I like it a lot =)
[20:59:04] <matto> Fingolfin!
[20:59:12] <matto> Eye of the World ?
[20:59:12] <Fingolfin> matto!!!!
[20:59:27] <matto> Fingolfin: did you read Faith of the Fallen ?
[20:59:40] <Fingolfin> From the Two Rivers, first part of Eye of the World
[20:59:41] <Fingolfin> yes
[20:59:59] <matto> just checking ... I loved that book
[21:00:15] <matto> I have read all the WoT books
[21:01:03] <matto> I enjoyed the last one (book 9 unless a new one has come out since I last checked) a lot
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[21:25:31] <wjp> matto: yeah, nine is still the last... *sigh*
[21:27:22] <wjp> hm, they re-released Eye of the World as two books?
[21:27:48] * Wumpus finally gives his new exult a test drive... whee, it works :)
[21:27:55] <Fingolfin> as two or even three it seems. I only noticed that it was a splitoff after I already ordered it
[21:28:08] <Fingolfin> turns out I could have gotten the full book for about the same price, hrmp
[21:28:29] <wjp> :-(
[21:28:39] <Fingolfin> anyway, I will get myself the full first three volumes; once I am into the third, I can still get the others =) I also still have to read Otherland 4
[21:29:19] * wjp is re-reading HHGttG, currently
[21:29:48] <Dominus> HHGttG?
[21:30:01] <wjp> hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy
[21:30:01] <Wumpus> hehe
[21:30:08] <Dominus> ahhh
[21:30:08] * Wumpus just read that
[21:30:19] <Fingolfin> H2G2, is it? :-)
[21:30:20] <Wumpus> the first two books anyway, didn't get far in the third, it didn't appeal to me much at all :|
[21:30:25] <Dominus> I must admit that I never got around to reading it
[21:30:36] <wjp> there's 5 of them, you know :-)
[21:30:42] <Fingolfin> anybody here read "the long dark tea time of the soul"
[21:30:51] <Fingolfin> from D.A. as well
[21:30:52] <wjp> not me
[21:30:59] <Fingolfin> I can recommend it =)
[21:31:03] * Wumpus didn't get round to reading it properly, ie, all the way through a book, until now
[21:31:11] <Wumpus> I started it...
[21:31:19] <Wumpus> its not just DA is it?
[21:31:22] <Dominus> sounds interesting
[21:31:27] <Fingolfin> I like esp. the part where that couch gets stuck in the house (stairways to be precise)
[21:31:47] <Fingolfin> Wumpus: maybe yo mix it up with startship titanic, that's cowritten with Terry Jones
[21:32:03] <Fingolfin> Dominus: it's about a "Dirk Gentley, a holistic detective" :-)
[21:32:08] <Wumpus> nah, not him...
[21:32:18] <Dominus> pfff :-)
[21:32:21] * Wumpus shrugs, oh well :)
[21:32:38] * Wumpus didn't even know starship titanic had anything to do with DA
[21:33:13] <Fingolfin> so, this couch, they try to get it into the house, but it gets stuck in the stairway. They can't get it out, and almost want to use a saw. So he get that neighbor hood boy who solves rubicks cube in 30 secs, etc.. That boy sits there and stares at the thing for 1 hours, then he say that's it's mathemtically impossible to remove the couch w/o cutting anything =)
[21:33:38] <Dominus> he he
[21:33:39] <wjp> :-)
[21:33:42] <Fingolfin> blech, forgive my splling/grammmmmar
[21:33:59] <Wumpus> heehee
[21:34:02] <Fingolfin> there is 2n part of that as well, forgot the title, which is great, too
[21:34:31] <Wumpus> Dirk Gently's Hollistic Detective Agency is a book in its own right, no?
[21:36:14] <wjp> that title sounds familiar
[21:36:18] <Fingolfin> possible, maybe then I mixed up the title
[21:36:34] <Dominus> Fingolfin: right now they are starting to show "Bube, Dame, König, Gras"
[21:36:39] <Wumpus> any other dependencies spring to mind (for building exult and all its toys): Depends: autoconf, automake, bison, libtool, libsdl1.2-dev, flex, libglade0-dev, libgtk1.2-dev, libpng-dev
[21:36:40] <Dominus> a very good movie
[21:36:44] <Fingolfin> Dominus: where!!!!!
[21:36:49] <Fingolfin> Dominus: I know it, it's awesome =)
[21:36:56] <Dominus> Lock Stock and two smoking barrels in English
[21:37:02] * Wumpus is probably missing the really basic stuff... thats just the list I didn't have already
[21:37:04] <Dominus> RTL2
[21:37:39] <Fingolfin> I must admit I was sceptic when i was first to see it (with a bunch of friends), but I found it really good. A lot of viloence, but still good =)
[21:37:40] <Fingolfin> Dominus: thx
[21:37:43] <wjp> Wumpus: zlib (+dev)
[21:37:49] <Fingolfin> and I have Evolution mostly ported to OS X
[21:37:50] <Wumpus> (bison -> yacc)
[21:38:03] <Fingolfin> and I have this talks running with SourceForge, about which I may not talk, but which make me all excited <g>
[21:38:04] <wjp> No, bison. Not yacc
[21:38:05] <Dominus> I think I saw it three times in cinema
[21:38:09] * Fingolfin has a *very* good day
[21:38:37] <Dominus> I actually saw that movie two times in America
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[21:39:14] <Dominus> right the day before I went to see the premier of Episode1 (in Denver at 3 am)
[21:39:59] <Dominus> (that wasn't actually the first showing but the 2nd)
[21:40:08] <Dominus> I#m ranting I guess
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[21:40:38] <Wumpus> grr
[21:40:44] <Wumpus> stupid cheap and dodgy isps
[21:41:08] <Wumpus> wjp- you were saying something about yacc/bison ?
[21:41:23] <wjp> yeah, I seem to remember you really need bison
[21:41:43] * wjp isn't all that sure, though
[21:42:35] <nothing> hmm
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[21:42:41] <nothing> you need bison huh?
[21:42:45] <nothing> wb, wumpus
[21:42:46] <_MichaelZ> Grrrrrrrrrrrr
[21:42:53] <_MichaelZ> wtf was that supposed to be
[21:43:06] <nothing> ?
[21:43:14] <_MichaelZ> Mar 28 22:41:18 bregolad pppd[1128]: Modem hangup
[21:43:14] <_MichaelZ> Mar 28 22:41:18 bregolad pppd[1128]: Connection terminated.
[21:43:14] <_MichaelZ> Mar 28 22:41:18 bregolad pppd[1128]: Connect time 1.2 minutes.
[21:43:21] <_MichaelZ> :/
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[21:45:37] * MichaelZ_ starts to look more than a little irritated
[21:46:07] <nothing> cheap and dodgy ISP :)
[21:46:14] <MichaelZ_> :P
[21:46:21] <MichaelZ_> its not been anywhere near this bad before
[21:47:23] <Dominus> argh, this is the first time I'm watching this movie dubbed in German. Uargh - really bad in comparison
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[21:55:42] <Wumpus> hmm, its held up for more than 5 minutes this time... maybe it has an objection to OPN... lets see :P
[22:02:33] <Dominus> you gonna stay now?
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[22:02:35] <Dominus> :-)
[22:02:42] <Dominus> LOL
[22:10:53] <Dominus> bl
[22:10:55] <Dominus> bbl
[22:10:57] <Dominus> :-)
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[22:19:40] <Dominus> hi again
[22:20:14] <Dominus> Just had to try if my WinME also craps out on saved games and/or on path with spaces
[22:20:27] <Dominus> unfortunately it works fine
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[22:21:20] <wjp> did you follow the savegame problem on winME on the ML a while back?
[22:21:28] <wjp> it was caused by 'big' files in the savegame
[22:21:40] <wjp> (although Ryan and I don't have a _clue_ why it doesn't work)
[22:21:44] * Wumpus ponders
[22:21:58] <Wumpus> if it falls over again in aminute, it really does object to opn :P
[22:22:10] <Wumpus> but i got some stuff i want to try in windows anyway, heh :)
[22:22:18] <wjp> Dominus: are you in winME now?
[22:22:21] <Dominus> wjp: do you have the save game and I could try again
[22:22:23] <Wumpus> big files in exult savegames?
[22:22:29] <Dominus> actually I'm back on XP
[22:22:30] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exult200bg.sav
[22:22:40] <wjp> and also... (hang on)
[22:23:03] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exult28bg.sav
[22:23:06] * Wumpus can be on winme, but I don't have anything useful set up there, so unless its something really basic you want to know, I don't think i can help you...
[22:23:41] <Dominus> Wumpus: it's fine it's only one reboot away from me as well
[22:23:42] <wjp> well, it'd already be a big help if we can determine if it happens on every winME
[22:23:47] <Dominus> :-)
[22:23:53] <Dominus> true
[22:23:53] <wjp> (since it works fine in Linux/Win98/WinXP)
[22:24:44] <Dominus> ok, Ill just reboot then again
[22:24:51] <Dominus> bye
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[22:26:44] <nothing> Wumpus: you use XP Pro?
[22:27:07] <Wumpus> uhh, no, linux
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[22:29:19] <Dominus> hi
[22:29:22] <Dominus> so far it works
[22:29:32] <wjp> both of them load?
[22:29:34] <nothing> so far what works?
[22:29:46] <Wumpus> I also have ME for when I need to play games which don't exist in linux :)
[22:29:50] <Dominus> both of them load and I can save then and it doesn't crash
[22:30:10] <wjp> ok, guess it was just some kind of strange windows thingie
[22:30:13] <wjp> thanks for checking
[22:30:27] <Wumpus> widnows is fundamentally a strange windows thing :P
[22:30:33] <Dominus> he he
[22:31:18] <Dominus> the only thing I could think of is that ME s supposed to have some zip plugin that could perhaps by some strange mystical power interfere
[22:31:46] <Dominus> and my ME is just a basic set up, even stripped of all kind of stuff by 98lite
[22:32:04] <nothing> ehhe, well wumpus, looks like your modem problem cleared up :)
[22:32:50] <Wumpus> I wouldn't count on it, hehe :P
[22:32:50] <Dominus> only Studio doesn't load on ME
[22:34:22] <Dominus> seems studio has problems with spaces in the path :-)
[22:34:26] <Dominus> really
[22:35:14] <Dominus> something for Colourless, I guess
[22:37:58] <Dominus> time to reboot
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[22:56:04] * Darke wonders if he should setup a cron job to `killall kvirc` at about 2am... *grin*
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[23:01:32] <wjp> hehe :-)
[23:01:34] <wjp> morning :-)
[23:02:22] <Dominus> morning
[23:04:06] * wjp curses automake a few times
[23:04:23] * wjp gives it a couple of kicks too
[23:05:26] <Darke> Morning. <bow>
[23:06:39] <Darke> wjp: Give autoconf a good kicking whilst you're at it. I'm still trying to work out how to 'fix' this problem with gcc3. The only things I can think of is to either upgrade autoconf, which might fix it, or to actually rewrite the macro ourselves. <sigh>
[23:07:13] <wjp> robbe submitted a bug to the tracker about it, btw
[23:07:33] <wjp> but AFAICT the 'fix' he mentions doesn't really fix anything
[23:10:53] * wjp points at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/debugging.png enthusiastically
[23:12:47] <Darke> (gcc3) <nod> That's what I'm trying to formulate a responce too. <grin>
[23:13:24] * Darke oooohs.
[23:15:03] <wjp> hmm, btw... where does DONT_HAVE_HASH_MAP come from?
[23:15:16] <wjp> shouldn't that be #ifndef HAVE_HASH_MAP ?
[23:18:01] <Darke> It's actually: HAVE_EXT_HASH_MAP
[23:18:27] <wjp> no, they both exist
[23:18:35] <wjp> (HAVE_HASH_MAP and HAVE_EXT_HASH_MAP)
[23:19:16] * Darke ahhs and sees what you're talking about. Where _does_ he get the DONT_HAVE_HASH_* from? <blink>
[23:20:23] <wjp> msvc_kludges.h, it seems
[23:20:33] <wjp> oh, and alpha_kludges.h
[23:22:23] * Darke would rather avoid having a 'gcc3_kludges.h' since it is kind of doing the right thing...
[23:22:50] <Darke> dumb_autoconf_kludges.h? <grin>
[23:28:14] <wjp> I'd personally try to get rid of all the DONT's
[23:28:28] <wjp> ...but I haven't really looked at it
[23:28:32] <wjp> anyway, I have to go
[23:28:39] <wjp> g'night / bye
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[23:40:27] <Dominus> going as well now
[23:40:29] <Dominus> bye
[23:40:32] <Fingolfin> Dominus: this movie is so good
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[23:40:34] <Fingolfin> night =)