#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 29 Nov 2001 (GMT)

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[00:14:23] <Wumpus> lol `when i get the medallion from berlin after joining the fellowship'.... mmm berlin
[00:52:14] * Wumpus wonders if everyone is silently waiting for jeff to do beta things :)
[00:52:38] * Wumpus gets a 'names' list and notices that 'everyone' constitutes just matto, me, and a bott... oh
[00:52:56] <Wumpus> wtf, why can't i use the 'map' command ?? :(
[00:53:09] <Wumpus> [11:52:42] *** You can't do that, you're no deity <-- reponse to /quote map
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[01:04:25] <Wumpus> hmm, odd
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[01:17:47] * Wumpus stalks darke through the long grass
[01:18:05] * Darke bowfluffs. "Hello all. Early am I."
[01:18:18] * Wumpus is absurdly early :) Working at uni today
[01:18:25] <Wumpus> (and 'lo, too)
[01:19:14] * Darke dances around a jungle drum beating a steady rhythm.
[01:29:42] * Wumpus hmms, could make a song to that :)
[01:35:45] * Darke considers remixing 80's music, replacing the 'bass' instruments with jungle drums.
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[01:42:18] <Wumpus_> hrrn?
[01:42:19] <Wumpus_> wotwotwotwot was that
[01:42:19] <Wumpus_> *scrolls up*
[01:42:19] <Darke> A netsplit apparently.
[01:42:30] <Wumpus_> it knocked me off with a ping timeout
[01:42:33] <Wumpus_> maybe sagan died
[01:42:40] <Wumpus_> hehe i never noticed this:
[01:42:44] <Wumpus_> *** Looking up your hostname...
[01:42:44] <Wumpus_> *** Found your hostname, welcome back
[01:42:51] <Wumpus_> (the 'welcome back' bit)
[01:42:56] * Darke grins.
[01:43:30] <Darke> Possibly a new addon when the upgraded to dancer-irc?
[01:45:46] * Wumpus_ morphs away his tail
[01:45:48] --- Wumpus_ is now known as Wumpus
[01:48:57] * Darke looks over the New(tm) Improved(tm) tail-less Wumpus.
[01:49:55] * Wumpus still has plenty of tentacles though :)
[01:51:55] * Darke bites his tongue and doesn't mention anything about knowing a doe who like tentacles... <completely-innocentwiggle>
[01:53:52] <Wumpus> doe?
[01:54:27] <Darke> Female rabbit. <ponderfluff> Didn't I have this conversation on this channel before with someone? <grin>
[01:56:11] <Wumpus> not with me...
[01:56:23] <Wumpus> and not while i was here (or at least not when i was paying attention)
[01:57:24] * Darke grins. "Fair enough. Just for reference, a male rabbit is known as a 'buck' which is what I am." <bowfluff>
[02:00:01] * Wumpus wonders who the evil doe is
[02:00:06] <Wumpus> (mmm dough)
[02:00:33] * Darke grins and innocentwiggles. He isn't telling.
[02:00:54] * Wumpus lashes his tentacles
[02:01:32] * Darke looks on vaguely amused.
[02:03:23] <Wumpus> whats that M$ thing called that has similar objectives to CORBA?
[02:03:54] <Darke> COM/DCOM?
[02:04:02] <Wumpus> thats the one, thanks :)
[02:04:14] * Wumpus 's first of two reports almost done, yay :)
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[02:39:32] <matto> ah ha!
[02:43:03] <Wumpus> eeks, matto has found me out! *hides*
[02:45:11] <matto> mmuuwahahahaha
[02:49:05] * Darke wonders what matto has found out...
[03:15:49] * Wumpus hopes for exult beta tonight :)
[03:45:57] * Darke grins, according to DrCode, it should be only a few more hours...
[03:46:21] <Wumpus> *nod* I saw... Jeff i think?... on the ML this morning
[03:46:22] <matto> Doctar Coed for president!!!!
[03:47:34] * Darke shoots matto with a tranqualiser dart.
[03:48:34] * matto catches the dart in mid-air and crushes it inside his massive grip. Matto grins as Darke's confident demeanor pales into uncertain fear.
[03:49:03] <Wumpus> bugger it
[03:50:20] * Darke looks first oddly at matto then at Wumpus. "Bugger what? <blinkblink> Actually don't tell me, I don't want to know."
[03:51:43] <Wumpus> it was another ... wavv?
[03:51:44] <Wumpus> mav?
[03:51:55] <Darke> <nod> mav. <grin>
[03:51:57] <Wumpus> if you really want to know:
[03:51:58] <Wumpus> [14:49:06 #compsoc] <MichaelZ> bugger it
[03:51:59] <Wumpus> [14:49:08 #compsoc] <MichaelZ> 1000 words is enough
[03:51:59] <Wumpus> [14:49:22 #compsoc] <MichaelZ> if they want more, they can read 500 words from
[03:51:59] <Wumpus> +my other report :)
[03:54:09] <matto> oops
[03:54:09] * matto is back (gone 12:09:46)
[03:54:38] <Wumpus> but i'm sure you didn't *really* want to know that ;-p
[03:56:51] * Darke grins.
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[05:26:32] <Wumpus> mm can i be botheredsending my .ircrc to here....
[05:26:49] * Darke squintyfluffs at the returned Wumpus.
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[07:37:36] <Wumpus> wooohoooodidoodidooo
[07:37:38] * Wumpus dances around
[07:37:42] <Wumpus> no more uni!!!!!!!
[07:38:42] <Wumpus> ohh
[07:38:49] <Wumpus> there's a beta1 tag in CVS?
[07:41:41] <Wumpus> hmm nothing on the ML yet... is that it?
[07:50:31] * Wumpus pokes people... tell me tell me tell me!
[07:51:46] * Darke looks completely innocent.
[07:53:32] <Wumpus> oooh there's something on the webpage
[07:53:38] <Wumpus> you *can't* look innocent :P
[07:53:59] * Darke _attempts_ to look completely innocent.
[07:54:25] <Darke> fails to?
[07:54:40] <Darke> attempts to fake looking?
[07:54:43] <Wumpus> yes :)
[07:55:05] <Wumpus> yayay looks like it really is beta1...
[08:26:03] * Wumpus wonders why cvs update -R Release0_96Beta1 ain't working
[08:27:34] <Wumpus> ohh
[08:27:34] <Wumpus> hehe
[08:27:35] <Wumpus> -r :)
[08:27:39] * Wumpus whistles innocently
[08:29:06] * Darke moves the sign that usually sits beside him, that has "GUILTY" written in bold letters on it, to point at Wumpus.
[08:29:32] * Wumpus notes that he is standing between the finger's pointer and darke, and moves out of the way
[08:30:42] <Wumpus> hmm
[08:30:48] * Darke earperks.
[08:30:49] <Wumpus> the version number in debian/changelog is wrong
[08:30:56] <Wumpus> its 0.99-cvs-1 !
[08:31:02] <Wumpus> (it shouldn't be 0.99 in any case!)
[08:31:10] * Darke nods.
[08:33:01] <Wumpus> dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 0.96beta1
[08:33:02] <Wumpus> dpkg-buildpackage: source maintainer is Michael Z <michael.z@acm.org>
[08:33:03] <Wumpus> hehe :)
[08:39:53] <Wumpus> really should give the debian subdirectory a makeover
[08:40:02] <Wumpus> otoh, doing that during the build probably wouldn't be a good ide a:)
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[08:43:48] <Kirben> Well win32 beta 1 is ready but installer needs a fix.
[08:43:53] <Nadir> Hi k
[08:43:59] <Kirben> Hi Nadir
[08:44:04] <Wumpus> cool kirben
[08:44:09] <Nadir> I'm just starting the Linux RPM and SRPM builds
[08:44:13] <Wumpus> i'll have a woody deb in about an hour, i think
[08:44:19] <Wumpus> (depends how long this build takes)
[08:45:14] <Kirben> default exult.cfg for win32 is using jmsfxsi.flx instead of jmsisfx.flx for SI sound effects file.
[08:45:26] * Wumpus will spend some time in the next few days overhauling the debian subdir; probably make an exult-studio-compatible and non-exult-studio compatible version, and an exult-studio and gimp plugin packages
[08:45:34] <Kirben> ?seen colourless
[08:45:34] <exultbot> colourless left IRC around Wed Nov 28 15:17:56 2001 (GMT) ("has left")
[08:45:48] <Nadir> you need colourless
[08:46:04] <Wumpus> who does?
[08:46:09] <Kirben> I do
[08:46:14] <Wumpus> ah :)
[08:46:19] <Nadir> Wumpus: I need to do that for RPMS
[08:46:36] <Wumpus> hehe :) I haven't had an RH box in a while :) enjoy
[08:47:01] <Wumpus> i *think* its easyish for the debs, but haven't really played with anything but the most basic things in the past
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[08:53:38] <Nadir> b
[08:53:53] --- Nadir has changed the topic to: exult: BETA 1 Source is OUT !!!
[08:54:02] <Wumpus> :)
[08:58:12] * Darke still doesn't understand all this 'beta' fuss. <grin>
[09:00:01] <Nadir> Darke: maybe because ucxt still isn't *beta* after all this time
[09:00:11] <Nadir> <evil grin>
[09:01:13] * Darke innocentwiggles. Hey, it can do this! "jne((push(var0006) && push(var0007)))" An improvement just from last night! <fangygrin>
[09:01:49] <Nadir> we want to see proof.
[09:02:31] * Darke grins and supposes he should actually _commit_ now the 'beta' source is out.
[09:03:02] <Nadir> not yet
[09:04:24] <matto> beta 1!!!!!!
[09:04:28] <Nadir> yep
[09:05:29] <matto> where? :)
[09:05:38] <matto> in the exult download section all I see is alpha
[09:05:54] <Wumpus> matto- there's beta source there
[09:06:00] <Wumpus> the beta binaries are coming :)
[09:06:19] <matto> oh ok
[09:06:36] <Wumpus> bah my bandwidth is too crowded
[09:06:45] * Wumpus will have to continue working on this later
[09:07:42] * matto gets a chuckle out of the "Finnihs" discussion in the "When will the beta come?" thread
[09:11:46] <Wumpus> re-learning britannian runes is pretty easy :)
[09:29:28] * Nadir had to fix the spec file a bit
[09:30:13] <Darke> Wumpus: Learning the runes is not too bad, especially when I knew the original norse runes to start with. <grin>
[09:30:30] <Wumpus> hehe :)
[09:31:00] <Nadir> LOTR runes are the same. I learnt them while reading the Hobbit when I was 8
[09:32:31] * Darke never liked the hobbit enough to learn it's runes when he read it.
[09:32:44] <Wumpus> :)
[09:32:52] <Wumpus> yeah, they crop up all over everywhere
[09:49:07] <Nadir> argh, error in the spec file...
[10:13:42] * Darke notes that like runes, errors in spec files also crop up everywhere.
[10:19:03] <matto> I tried to trick exult in a new SI game ... it didn't work :)
[10:19:09] <matto> (I dropped all my gear before the teleport storm)
[10:19:15] <matto> I guess that's a common thing people attempt
[10:24:59] <Nadir> The spec file was useless. it would not allow the binaries in /usr/games and the datadir in /usr/share/games...
[10:25:21] <Wumpus> thats just configure options, no?
[10:26:38] <Wumpus> who was working on getting exult working with XVGALIB?
[10:26:42] <Wumpus> SVGAlib even
[10:26:56] <Wumpus> because that would be very cool
[10:27:40] <Darke> J P Morris.
[10:36:48] <Wumpus> not someone who comes here?
[10:37:37] <matto> I just checked out the exult quotes ... I think I've been exploited :)
[10:42:42] <Darke> 'You guys rock' or something?
[10:43:05] <matto> Darke: yeah.. hehe
[10:52:39] <Nadir> Wumpus: I don't think JP has been here
[10:53:08] <Nadir> Wumpus: maybe it would be a good idea to do a framebuffer port as welll
[10:55:18] <Wumpus> don't look at me :) I'm not feeling that ambitious yet
[11:01:03] * Darke is somewhat surprised that matto isn't complaning that the topic doesn't have a single '<fluff>' in it. <grin>
[11:01:17] <matto> hmmmm
[11:01:43] * matto changes the topic to : "exult: BETA 1 Source is OUT !!! <surprisedfluff>"
[11:02:04] <Darke> How about '<amazedfluff>'?
[11:02:26] <Wumpus> woot deb almost finished
[11:02:31] <Wumpus> building the binaries now :)
[11:02:35] <matto> deb!!!!!
[11:02:38] <Wumpus> linking, that is
[11:02:41] <matto> the choice of a GNU generation
[11:03:31] <Nadir> RH7.2 RPM is also finished. Checking...
[11:04:59] <Wumpus> fsck
[11:05:09] <Wumpus> there is something extremely fubard about the debian/* scripts
[11:05:13] <Wumpus> (its not done)
[11:05:20] <Wumpus> it seems to compile 2 or 3 times
[11:07:51] <Wumpus> okay *now* its on the final approach
[11:11:52] <Wumpus> uploading now, ETA 5 minutes or so
[11:12:00] <Nadir> who wrote the debian scripts
[11:12:07] <Wumpus> (on my site, at least :))
[11:12:52] <Nadir> Wumpus: where are you uploading ?
[11:13:08] <Wumpus> i'll write it when its there :)
[11:13:12] <Nadir> (so I can put it under sf's download)
[11:13:34] <Wumpus> the first person in debian/changelog is Dancer.... so i suppose he wrote them
[11:13:40] * Wumpus rb
[11:13:45] <Wumpus> brb even
[11:16:20] * Nadir wants gcc to do precompiled headers...
[11:19:17] <Wumpus> okie, http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~michaelz/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/exult_0.96beta1_i386.deb ... anyone want to test this? I'm about to do so myself... its compiled against woody as updatd, um, two days ago
[11:20:21] <Wumpus> I don't think potato (stable) has a sufficiently new version of SDL in any case
[11:22:35] <Wumpus> hrmmph my hard disk is way too crowded... /, /home are 91% and 99% full respectively
[11:23:09] <Wumpus> and one partition is registering as 100% full (well, 6megs of 1.5gigs free, but who is counting? :P)
[11:23:35] * Wumpus shuffles restlessly... must... test.. now :)
[11:27:55] <Wumpus> hmm looks like it works so far :)
[11:28:53] <Wumpus> nadir: there'll probably be a -2 of that in a few days, when i've had a chance to learn about how the debian subdir works, and hacked it a bit... there's some other things I want to investigate as well as the build weirdness... but that package should be happy for now :)
[11:29:22] <Wumpus> ooh hey cool *watches possum walking past outside his window*
[11:30:35] <Wumpus> oh uhh, hmm
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[11:31:36] <Colourless> hi
[11:31:44] <Wumpus> `lo colourless
[11:31:59] * Wumpus hmms ... is exult's screen supposed to scroll around when you press the arrow direction keys?
[11:32:26] * Wumpus is pretty damn sure that wasn't in the original :)
[11:32:55] <Colourless> exult screen is supposed to :-)
[11:33:12] <Kirben> Hi Colourless
[11:33:26] <Kirben> Colourless: Installer needs a minor fix
[11:33:49] <Kirben> Colourless: The default exult.cfg for win32 is using jmsfxsi.flx instead of jmsisfx.flx for SI sound effects file.
[11:33:50] <Colourless> and it is?
[11:34:05] <Colourless> so I hear
[11:34:20] <Nadir> hi col
[11:34:33] <Nadir> Wumpus: disable cheating
[11:35:09] <Nadir> ideally arrow keys should move the avatar in non-cheat mode, and move the screen in cheat mode. Only the latter is implemented atm.
[11:36:54] <Wumpus> ahha nadir, indeed... hmm, i thought i *had* disabled it... oh well :)
[11:37:53] * Darke bows. "Hi Colourless."
[11:41:26] <Wumpus> nadir- you got that URL, yes? If there are any problems, let me know... addy is in the deb, or <michael.z@acm.org> or <michaelz@cse.unsw.edu.au> (the last probably the most reliable)
[11:41:41] <Wumpus> (but also shortest term, i'll get a permanent one soon, i hope)
[11:46:26] <Darke> Another RTF-FAQ responce needed on the forum, under 'Killing, Stealing'. Anyone feel like responding before Dominus gets a chance? <grin>
[11:46:36] <Nadir> Wumpus: I didn't get the url
[11:47:04] * Wumpus scrolls back in his 'i said this' buffer'
[11:47:10] <Darke> http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~michaelz/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/exult_0.96beta1_i386.deb This one?
[11:47:54] <Wumpus> nadir: there'll probably be a -2 of that in a few days, when i've had a chance to learn about how the debian subdir works, and hacked it a bit... there's some other things I want to investigate as well as the build weirdness... but that package should be happy for now :)
[11:47:58] <Wumpus> hmm
[11:48:09] <Wumpus> that's not the one i want, but yeah, the URL darke gave, + note that bit :)
[11:48:58] <Nadir> Wumpus: got the deb at 132KB/s
[11:49:16] <Nadir> shall I upload it to SF ?
[11:50:30] <Nadir> wumpus ?
[11:50:41] <Wumpus> *shrug* whatever, either that or link it directly, its all the same to me :)
[11:50:50] * Wumpus was getting drink :)
[11:52:31] <Nadir> done
[11:52:44] <Wumpus> okie cool :)
[11:56:22] <Wumpus> tiem tor read while DL finishes, then sleep... investiagte more debian/* innards tomorrow :)
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[12:11:55] <Nadir> RPMs are ready
[12:12:36] <Nadir> uploading
[12:15:13] <Nadir> done
[12:15:25] <Nadir> Kirben: is the windows binary ready ?
[12:15:42] <Kirben> only waiting for intaller fix.
[12:16:12] <Nadir> Colourless: why is kirben waiting ? :)
[12:16:32] <Colourless> because as I've stated, I'll be doing the win32 release :-)
[12:17:08] <Colourless> the installer it's a fair amount different for the Beta Release, compared to CVS Snapshots
[12:18:39] <Colourless> i'm almost finished here actually
[12:19:00] <Nadir> ah
[12:19:41] <Kirben> If beta installer is better, want me to use it for future snapshots too ?
[12:19:47] <Nadir> make sure you get it done before the next 6 hour cron
[12:19:57] <Nadir> (dunno when that happens)
[12:20:43] <Colourless> yeah, i'll use a modified version for the new snapshots. we of course want the HTML readme and faq, and also the Readme.1st document
[12:23:38] <Wump_Away> okie, bed+book for me, g'night all
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[12:25:14] <Kirben> BTW should win32 exult be using its own icon for the icon on top left of title bar when in non-fullscreen mode ?
[12:25:32] <Nadir> you have 1 hr 38 mins til next cron
[12:27:21] <Kirben> What happens during cron ?
[12:27:32] <Kirben> all sf functions disabled ?
[12:29:02] <Nadir> no, it refreshes the download page. Otherwise you have to wait another six hours for them to be visible
[12:29:33] <Nadir> e.g. I have uploaded i386.deb, i386.rpm and src.rpm, but they don't show yet
[12:29:57] <Kirben> Don't most people go through homepage links though ?
[12:34:41] <Colourless> kirben, if you stay here for a bit, would you create the sfx?
[12:35:00] <Nadir> Kirben: yes
[12:36:56] <Kirben> Yes
[12:39:15] <Nadir> download page updated with currently available packages
[12:39:23] <Nadir> shall I update news or wait for Win32 ?
[12:40:58] <Kirben> windows isn't worth waiting for.
[12:41:20] <Nadir> :)
[12:53:24] <Colourless> ok, that should be it
[12:58:11] <Kirben> can dcc anytime
[13:00:44] <Kirben> unable to connect
[13:00:59] <Colourless> email?
[13:01:13] <Kirben> ok
[13:07:39] <Colourless> it's sending.... slowly :-)
[13:19:43] <Colourless> 1.8mb + email + 56k + upload = taking far too long. i'm uploading it to my webspace, you can download there when it's finished.
[13:29:32] <Colourless> kirben: http://www.users.on.net/triforce/exult-0.96beta1-win32.zip
[13:31:18] <Colourless> you had better be quick. we have about half an hour to go :-)
[13:32:16] * Darke winds up a loudly ticking alarm clock.
[13:33:10] <Kirben> only for a second to download
[13:33:18] <Kirben> uploading to sf now
[13:33:24] <Kirben> for=took
[13:33:25] <Colourless> :-)
[13:33:33] <Colourless> making a sfx?
[13:33:47] <Kirben> yes made
[13:33:54] <Kirben> and tested
[13:34:01] <Colourless> ok
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[13:34:53] <Dominus> hi,
[13:34:59] <Nadir> hi
[13:35:01] <Colourless> hi
[13:35:06] * Dominus hands out some champagne and some cookies for the party
[13:35:24] <Dominus> actually I'm just here for some moments :-)
[13:35:52] <Kirben> shouldn't that be for 1.0 ?
[13:36:09] <Colourless> i would think so
[13:36:12] <Nadir> thanks dominus
[13:36:12] <Dominus> Colourless: want to to see something funny: check the install.exe that comes with some Voodoo5 drivers for the word "Pikachu"
[13:36:39] <Dominus> hey guys I'm bringing champagne and you don't want it, that's not fair :-)
[13:36:50] <Colourless> heh
[13:37:17] <Kirben> upload done, now if someone would please just add it to download section...
[13:37:32] * Colourless thinks Dominus just wants to drink the champagne
[13:37:40] <Dominus> *hicks*
[13:38:21] <Colourless> heh. i think the 3dfx programmer was a little bored :-)
[13:38:37] <Nadir> Kirben: I'll do the sf magic
[13:39:01] <Dominus> Colourless: and that guy on the x3dfx board was even more bored to actually find that line :-)
[13:39:44] <Colourless> heh.
[13:39:55] <Colourless> in the glide sources I've found some colourful comments :-)
[13:40:14] <Dominus> colourful? not colourless? :-)
[13:40:24] <Colourless> no, of course not :-)
[13:41:01] * Darke doesn't know why Colourless would have comments in the glide source anyway. <grin>
[13:41:02] <Colourless> here is one comment that made me chuckle:
[13:41:03] <Colourless> /* do a hot WAX job on the buffer(s) */
[13:41:03] <Colourless> /* to get all of their little hairs off */
[13:41:03] <Colourless> /* */
[13:41:03] <Colourless> if (gc->sliCount > 1) /* This code can only possibly help in Sli */
[13:41:03] <Colourless> {
[13:41:05] <Colourless> /* We don't do bikini lines yet */
[13:41:41] <Dominus> :-)
[13:41:48] * Darke blinkblinks. Amusing. <grin>
[13:45:14] <Nadir> what should I say on the homepage ?
[13:45:31] <Nadir> Just Exult Beta released ? or something more ? Should I include the README.1ST ?
[13:45:47] <Dominus> include Readme.1st
[13:46:23] <Colourless> I don't know. just something like Exult 0.96 Beta 1 has been released. Go download it now! :-)
[13:46:43] <Darke> Nadir: They still won't read it anyway. <grin>
[13:47:15] <Colourless> well, i put it in the win32 installer, so they will at least read a word or 2 :-)
[13:47:54] <Dominus> Nadir: also on the movement keys, maybe it's not a good idea to make them behave as scroll map in chaet mode but instead scroll map should be a combination of shift+ or ctrl+ (people who use arrow keys for movement wil probably still want to use it even when cheating)
[13:48:34] <Dominus> Colourless: good idea, after all it seems the Win32 are the ones less likely to read notes :-)
[13:48:45] <Dominus> force it down their eyes :-)
[13:50:09] <Darke> Evil Idea. Make the installer wait for 3 or 4 minutes to they have to sit there and read it (or alt-tab to another program for a bit). <grin>
[13:50:46] <Darke> Add a subliminal message to the exult music files that just repeats 'read the docs' over and over and over again?
[13:50:57] <Dominus> :-)
[13:51:14] <Kirben> some programs make you scroll through complete license
[13:51:43] <Nadir> Dominus: you should upload the docs
[13:52:36] <Darke> Alpha blend a faint overlay of allcaps 'READ\n THE\n DOCS' over all the game screens as the game runs?
[13:53:26] <Dominus> ah, okay, will do in a moment
[13:53:42] <Dominus> posted a message to the Dragons and Ultima Newsgroup
[13:57:34] <Dominus> FAQ and Documentation updated on Website
[13:59:37] <Nadir> Submitted to Freshmeat.net
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[14:02:42] <Nadir> Submitted to Linuxgames.com
[14:03:20] <Dominus> http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1378&t=1378 (when Exult Studio is released for the PC?) - my answer was obvious - it already works on the PC :-)
[14:03:34] <Colourless> ouch :-)
[14:04:40] * Darke snickers.
[14:04:54] <Nadir> Dominus: you're getting better than I am on these Cross-platform "issues" :)
[14:05:06] <Nadir> sf is timing out on me
[14:05:07] <Dominus> he he
[14:05:51] <Dominus> anyone knows why voodooextreme is down? (they regularly posted about updates on Exult)
[14:06:40] <Colourless> www.ve3d.com is up (alternative address), i was just there. www.voodooextreme.com seems to have been lost to the internet
[14:07:00] <Dominus> ah, okay
[14:07:32] <Dominus> haven't been on their site for some time now
[14:08:35] <Nadir> Colourless: how's that upload going ?
[14:08:57] <Colourless> upload?
[14:09:22] <Nadir> upload to upload.sf.net
[14:09:24] <Colourless> i'm not uploading anything
[14:09:34] <Nadir> I thought you were
[14:09:59] <Dominus> Kirben did it and he said it was done
[14:10:02] <Colourless> kirben already has uploaded it: [0:11] <Kirben> upload done, now if someone would please just add it to download section...
[14:10:23] <Colourless> that was half an hour ago
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[14:12:20] <Dominus> its there in the ftp upload
[14:14:09] <Colourless> nadir: are you releasing it, or should I
[14:14:33] <Nadir> Colourless: waiting for for SF to respond <grr>
[14:14:52] <Nadir> you're right: my neurons are failing me...
[14:15:15] <Colourless> I can't access the site either
[14:15:31] <Nadir> exult.sf.net works, though
[14:15:40] <Colourless> yeah
[14:15:54] <Nadir> any win32 gaming sites we can announce to ?
[14:17:28] <Colourless> well, really the only 1 that I know of that has really been mentioning exult was voodoo extreme. gaminggroove (new site by voodooextreme founder) and gamespy daily have also mentioned exult in the past
[14:19:37] <Nadir> sf is giving me connection refused
[14:19:56] <Dominus> I'm sending an email to Gamestar.de - they had a little article on Alpha3 in their magazin
[14:20:33] <Nadir> exult.sf.net is timing out too
[14:21:00] <Colourless> damn, exult beta was so popular, we broke sourceforge :-)
[14:21:24] <Nadir> ;)
[14:21:40] <Dominus> hehe
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[14:31:43] <Dominus> aargh
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[14:32:35] <Colourless> i'm releasing it
[14:32:57] <Colourless> or perhaps someone else is :-)
[14:33:11] <Colourless> FRS Move File Failed: File Name Invalid Or Does Not Exist: /nfs/garbage/incoming//exult-0.96beta1-win32.exe
[14:33:15] <Colourless> hmmm :-)
[14:33:28] <Dominus> It's not me
[14:33:41] <Nadir> sorry, I did it
[14:33:47] <Dominus> well sf is really crawling right now
[14:33:57] <Dominus> also exult.sf.net
[14:34:04] <Colourless> ha, for me it's running at normal speed :-)
[14:34:33] <Nadir> how big is exult-0.96beta1-win32.exe in K ?
[14:34:49] <Dominus> 1800 or something like that
[14:34:56] <Colourless> of course, my bandwith is limitied to max 5kb per second max :-)
[14:34:56] <Colourless> remove one of the max's
[14:35:16] * Dominus removes one of the max
[14:35:25] <Dominus> ah, it'S making sense now
[14:35:35] <Colourless> :-)
[14:37:06] <Nadir> 1828
[14:37:27] <Colourless> that should be about right
[14:38:04] <Colourless> without the sfx stub the zip is just under 1800 K
[14:43:26] <Colourless> no one has downloaded the exult beta source yet!
[14:44:28] <Nadir> I guess people interested in source will go via anoncvs
[14:46:49] <Colourless> i wonder if Beta 1 will get more downloads than Alpha 3 got.
[14:46:57] <Nadir> I was wrong about the 6 hours. SF docs say that changes to the File Release area should happen every 30 mins... why don't the RPMS show up then ?
[14:47:28] * Colourless thinks sourceforge are having some problems at the moment
[14:48:22] <Dominus> Mailing list: crusader with Exult: i think Crusader used a modified U8 engine, didn't it?
[14:48:32] <Nadir> yes
[14:48:41] <Colourless> i've already replied to him saying pretty much that
[14:48:48] <Dominus> ah, okay
[14:49:59] <Nadir> crusader was cool
[14:50:28] <Dominus> I never got the hang of it - tried it once then never looked at it again
[14:50:57] <Colourless> it quite possibly used the u8 engine as it was really intended
[14:50:57] <Dominus> well, exult.sf.net is down now, isn't it? :-)
[14:51:34] <Dominus> Colourless: probably (much more advanced it seemed to me)
[14:52:58] <Dominus> well, wjp could contact the guy and make him do Exult for Crusader and U8 :-)
[14:54:37] * Colourless thinks we are going to have to trademark exult soon. we can then have Exult for U7, and Exult for U8, and Exult for U6 and Exult for any other game that anyone want to do :-)
[14:54:53] <Nadir> :)
[14:54:54] <Nadir> bbl
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[14:55:33] <Dominus> hm, Exult for U6...
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[14:58:28] <Nadir> b
[14:58:33] <Dominus> that was quick
[14:59:15] <Colourless> yeah
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[15:00:16] <Nadir> wb
[15:01:37] * Darke bows.
[15:01:45] --- Nadir has changed the topic to: exult: BETA 1 is OUT!!!
[15:02:18] <Nadir> Let's party !!!!
[15:02:21] * Nadir dances
[15:02:26] <Darke> Nadir: It's still insufficiently fluffy though. <grin>
[15:02:37] <Nadir> what isn't?
[15:03:16] <Darke> Nadir: The topic. It's lacking a '<fluff>'. matto's orders. <grin>
[15:03:22] <Colourless> you behave!
[15:03:32] * Darke opsbounces!
[15:03:32] <Dominus> uh oh
[15:04:09] * Darke is actually wondering what's up with his net connection at the moment. Everything is rather... sluggish.
[15:04:13] <Nadir> That is no ordinary rabbit !!!
[15:04:59] <Colourless> a rabbit with a net connection?
[15:05:24] <Darke> Colourless: A rabbit with a net connection who's dns is currently not resolving things for him. <droopear>
[15:05:51] <Dominus> Darke: it's because everybody is lookind at exult.sf.net and that brings the net to a crawl at the moment :-)
[15:05:57] <Nadir> Darke: there is a small monty python quote in Exult's HP announcement
[15:05:59] <Dominus> looking even
[15:06:12] <Nadir> Is Jeff on holiday ?
[15:06:34] <Dominus> don't think so
[15:06:57] <Darke> Nadir: I'd love to check it out, except I'm having this little problem getting there at the moment. <grin>
[15:06:58] <Colourless> well, he's not 'here'
[15:07:06] <Colourless> :-)
[15:07:35] <Colourless> nope, he's not
[15:07:57] <Colourless> i think that sourceforge might be though :-)
[15:08:05] <Dominus> Opera 6 final for Windows is out or will be out today
[15:08:34] <Dominus> and winamp 3 beta2
[15:08:47] <Dominus> a lot of downloads for some people today
[15:18:47] <Nadir> oops link to the deb was wrong
[15:26:09] <matto> Darke: I didn't order any fluff in the topic :)
[15:26:21] * matto hands Darke a nest full of bird fluff
[15:28:30] * Darke doesn't understand matto's seeming fetish with bird fluff. matto is obviously one of the weirder breeds of humans.
[15:28:54] <Colourless> :-)
[15:29:36] <matto> Darke: my mom has two pet birds.. when I think of 'fluff' all I can think of is those little feathers flying everywhere when the birds 'fluffle' themselves out
[15:30:15] * Darke grins and innocentfluffs.
[15:30:20] <Dominus> Nadir: will the gamma sliders actually be implemented ? I thought you didn't want to do it anymore (just looked at todo.xml)
[15:30:37] <Nadir> I've learned how to do subpackages with RPM. I might have automatic generation of exult-tools and exult-studio RPMs soon.
[15:30:58] <Nadir> Dominus: oops. I wanted to shrink the window and remove the RGB labels
[15:31:32] <Nadir> (forgot to change the TODO for that though)
[15:32:48] <Dominus> allright then
[15:33:06] <Dominus> well, I have to go then
[15:33:14] <Dominus> see you tommorrow
[15:33:21] <-- Dominus has left IRC ("got to play Exult now")
[15:33:38] <Colourless> bye
[15:34:26] <Nadir> http://freshmeat.net/
[15:35:11] <matto> Darke: we used to have a pet rabbit .. but it .......... died
[15:35:57] <Colourless> i had a pet rabbit. it was a mean and nasty creature. it bit my dad twice!
[15:36:12] * Darke snickers.
[15:37:30] * matto glances at Darke accusingly, as if he is somehow responsible for these biting incidents
[15:37:34] <Darke> I've never been out of Queensland. It's illegal to keep pet rabbits here, unless you have a special license (think magician's rabbits and such), last time I checked. I'm guessing that rabbit of your's wasn't neutered.
[15:38:16] * Darke 's _got_ to stop talking in this odd third perspective.
[15:38:19] <Colourless> uh, no
[15:38:34] * Colourless disagrees
[15:39:46] <Darke> Which is the reason, the rabbits are ususally so agressive. <grin> Neuting also increases the life of the does as well, they have less chance of getting cancer if they're neutered.
[15:39:55] * matto wonders how late it is in .au
[15:40:02] <Darke> 2am here.
[15:40:07] <matto> oh that's not bad
[15:40:19] <Darke> (actually 1:42, but who's counting.)
[15:40:19] <Colourless> 2:14
[15:40:50] <matto> 30 minute time zone boundaries?
[15:41:11] <Colourless> for me
[15:41:20] <matto> ahh.. I've just learned something new
[15:41:27] <Darke> An hour and 30 minutes IIRC. Queensland doesn't have daylight savings time.
[15:41:41] <Darke> Thankfully.
[15:41:42] <Colourless> South Australia is +0930 (+1030 daylight saving)
[15:42:24] * Darke earperks and corrects another faulty bit.
[15:42:38] <Colourless> Darke, it's only 30 mintutes. normally you're ahead by 30 minutes, but when we go daylight we go ahead by 30
[15:43:18] * Darke nods.
[15:44:13] <Darke> I haven't looked at the timezone stuff in years. <grin> I just remember the atlases showing how most countries divided it up nicely into one hour brackets, whereas .au had this weird 30 minutes sectioning.
[15:44:22] <Nadir> I believe there are 15 minute timezones in Asia
[15:45:44] <Darke> Nadir: That would be interesting to deal with.
[15:46:10] <Nadir> http://www.worldtimezone.com/
[15:46:32] * Darke wonders if his dns is back up... looks like it isn't.
[15:49:03] * matto is away: I'm now away from the keyboard
[15:51:58] <Nadir> Darke: how's ucxt coming along ?
[15:53:50] <Darke> Not bad. <grin> I'm currently trying to find the cleanest way of 'deleting' an iterator out from underneath itself in a for loop. It looks like I'm going to have to complicate things with semiphores.
[15:56:09] <Nadir> can we see an example of output ?
[15:57:33] * Darke nods. Just a sec. It's not all that fancy at the moment. One line or a dozen? <grin>
[15:58:03] <Colourless> a simple usecode function would be good :-)
[16:00:07] <Darke> <grin> Fair enough. Currently I haven't fleshed out most of how the opcodes look in the Docs/opcodes.txt file. So you'll see the calls to the opcodes, but not all of the values. <grin>
[16:00:30] <Darke> Lets see if this trys to kick me for flooding. <grin>
[16:00:32] <Darke> Func0096 0x96 ()
[16:00:32] <Darke> {
[16:00:32] <Darke> UcEvent
[16:00:32] <Darke> pushi(0001)
[16:00:32] <Darke> (pushi(0001) == UcEvent)
[16:00:33] <Darke> jne(pushi(0001))
[16:00:35] <Darke> pushi(000A)
[16:00:37] <Darke> pushitm()
[16:00:39] <Darke> callis()
[16:00:41] <Darke> jne(callis())
[16:00:43] <Darke> pushs()
[16:00:45] <Darke> call()
[16:00:47] <Darke> jmp()
[16:00:49] <Darke> label0096_001C:
[16:00:51] <Darke> pushitm()
[16:00:53] <Darke> call()
[16:00:55] <Darke> (!pushitm())
[16:00:57] <Darke> jne(pushitm())
[16:00:59] <Darke> pushs()
[16:01:01] <Darke> call()
[16:01:03] <Darke> jmp()
[16:01:05] <Darke> label0096_002D:
[16:01:07] <Darke> callis()
[16:01:09] <Darke> jne(callis())
[16:01:11] <Darke> calli()
[16:01:13] <Darke> label0096_0038:
[16:01:15] <Darke> ret()
[16:01:17] <Darke> }
[16:01:45] <Colourless> looks like you still have quite a bit of work to do
[16:01:49] <Darke> The current 'bug' I'm trying to remove is the 'duplicates' of the opcodes, like the first two lines, being also included in the third. It's where I need to delete an iterator out from underneath itself.
[16:03:06] <Darke> A bit. A lot of it is just formatting with the Docs/opcodes.txt file. I can show you how it looks as assembler output, and with all the numbers in there if you wish.
[16:06:51] <Nadir> It looked much better a long time ago (better==more human readable). What happened ?
[16:07:35] <Darke> Nadir: It's still using most of the original asm output. I haven't converted the Docs/opcodes.txt file into a 'cleaner' output format yet.
[16:07:43] <Nadir> ah
[16:09:15] <Darke> There is at least one other pass it needs to go through, converting all the {test} {[jmp|jne] location} into if({test}) goto {location}. And then one more, to invert them into 'proper' if statements if they are.
[16:09:50] <Darke> (if they are 'if' statements that is, some of the jumps are whiles and other loop constructs)
[16:16:05] <Nadir> ok
[16:21:40] * Darke wonders if he should keep prattling on, or if you've gotten far more information then you ever wanted to know. <grin>
[16:21:59] <Nadir> prattle
[16:23:00] <Nadir> I'm interested
[16:23:09] <Darke> Anything in specific you want to know?
[16:27:19] <Nadir> can it load a table with "real names" for those labels ?
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[16:33:45] <wjp> hi
[16:33:58] <Darke> So instead of "label0096_0038:" it says "jump_return:"? Currently no. Mainly because I'm going to try and remove as many of them as possible. For example, if you look at the assembler output for this function, you'll notice that all these lables are used as sort of an 'if...else if... else if... else...' function. It'd like to be able to remove them, and replace them with that function...
[16:34:02] <Darke> ... to aid readability.
[16:34:09] * Darke bows. "Hi wjp."
[16:36:18] <Darke> Actually it's more of a stepped 'if' function, like 'if() { if() { if() {} } }', but anyway... <grin>
[16:42:24] <Nadir> hi wjp
[16:42:50] <wjp> is it me or are there two win32 packages on the SF download page?
[16:42:57] <Colourless> hi from me too :-)
[16:43:06] <Nadir> two?
[16:43:46] <wjp> one "i386, Other", the other "None, None"
[16:43:57] <wjp> but same name & size
[16:43:57] <Nadir> I'll remove none none
[16:44:18] <wjp> this could theoretically also remove the other one
[16:44:21] * Darke grumblefluffs, he gotten his dns back, but http is still b0rk3n.
[16:45:02] <Nadir> I'll download it first and reupload it if necessary
[16:45:22] * wjp also just downloaded it
[16:46:12] <Nadir> Damn SF is having many problems today
[16:50:16] <wjp> who built the debian package, btw?
[16:50:50] <wjp> oh, and an even better question: what happened to exult.sf.net?
[16:51:24] <Colourless> sf is kind of dead today
[16:53:02] * Darke is vaguely glad it's not just him. <grin>
[16:55:21] <Nadir> wumpus built the debian package
[16:56:01] <wjp> ah, I see
[16:57:39] <Nadir> wjp: you run woody ?
[16:57:49] <wjp> no, I use RH
[16:58:08] <Nadir> actually that deb package was the first binary of 0.96beta1 available
[16:59:58] <wjp> I think I'll go build the beos binary
[17:00:00] <wjp> brb
[17:00:02] <Nadir> gotta go. can you try fixing that "double" win32 binary
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[17:00:20] <Nadir> remind him pls
[17:00:20] <Colourless> i'll try
[17:00:27] <Nadir> time for bed ?
[17:00:37] <Colourless> that is if I can connect to thet site
[17:00:47] <Colourless> hmm
[17:00:53] <Colourless> We're Sorry.
[17:00:53] <Colourless> The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance.
[17:00:53] <Colourless> We will be back shortly
[17:00:58] <Nadir> ah
[17:01:02] <Nadir> some maintenance
[17:01:07] * Darke snickers.
[17:01:07] <Nadir> bye
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[17:01:11] <Darke> Bye.
[17:01:14] <Colourless> cya
[17:01:21] <Colourless> out of everyday we had to release on :-)
[17:01:41] <Darke> The day sf.net is down for 'maintenance'. <grin>
[17:02:10] <Darke> AKA. They appear to have broken something severly and need to fix it quickly.
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[17:02:20] <Colourless> wb
[17:02:34] * Darke ReHi's.
[17:02:39] <wjp> thx
[17:27:59] * Darke yawnfluffs, "sf.net is still down, and I'm disappearing for some sleep. <grin> Hopefully things won't break horribly when it comes back up. 'Night' all."
[17:28:13] <Colourless> cya
[17:30:38] <wjp> brb, rebooting
[17:30:46] <Colourless> k
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[17:35:34] <wjp> "The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance." hmm... not good :-(
[17:35:43] <Colourless> yeah I know
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[18:06:48] <Colourless> wjp, i'm going now. remember to fix the duplicate win32 stuff
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[19:25:48] <sikor_sxe> i have problems getting midi to run with exult in linux
[19:25:57] <sikor_sxe> can anyone help me?
[19:26:33] <wjp> hi
[19:26:38] <sikor_sxe> hi
[19:26:44] <wjp> what kind of trouble?
[19:27:42] <sikor_sxe> it doesn't work at all
[19:27:56] <sikor_sxe> i tried every of the four settings
[19:28:16] <wjp> do you have timidity installed?
[19:29:20] <sikor_sxe> no
[19:29:26] <sikor_sxe> should i?
[19:29:35] <sikor_sxe> there's no mention in the docs
[19:29:43] <wjp> there isn't? really?
[19:29:44] <wjp> hmm, strange
[19:29:48] <wjp> anyway, yes, you need it
[19:30:36] <sikor_sxe> ok
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[19:31:36] <wjp|away> I have to go
[19:31:37] <wjp|away> good luck
[19:31:58] <sikor_sxe> thx
[19:44:53] <sikor_sxe> is exult case sensitive when loading stuff?
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[22:18:23] --- Topic for #exult is: exult: BETA 1 is OUT!!!
[22:18:23] --- Topic for #exult set by Nadir at Thu Nov 29 15:01:45 2001
[22:23:08] <wjp> ?versio
[22:23:09] <wjp> ?version
[22:23:09] <exultbot> The latest official version of Exult is: 0.96beta1
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[22:50:33] <Fingolfin> ?seen wjp
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[23:00:29] * matto is away: I'm now away from the keyboard
[23:05:58] <matto> hrmmph
[23:06:12] <matto> so much for this away stuff!
[23:06:42] * Fingolfin ignores matto, as matto is clearly away and hence any voices are pure by products of an overactive fantasy
[23:06:48] <Fingolfin> s/fantasy/imagination/
[23:07:01] * matto is back (gone 00:06:31)
[23:07:04] <matto> ah ha!!!
[23:07:26] <Fingolfin> oh hi matto
[23:07:31] <matto> ;)
[23:07:41] <Fingolfin> I just had a weird feeling, as if I was hearing you, even though you were away!!!
[23:08:02] <matto> yeah I was using the away 'feature' of xchat but now I see that it's virtually useless
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