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[03:21:50] <Darke> Another pair of april fool's jokes: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2859464,00.html http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2859460,00.html
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[03:51:15] <EazyCheez> wooo
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[07:26:18] <wjp> hi
[07:26:25] <Darke> Hi.
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[09:39:34] <Darke> Hi.
[09:42:42] <Kirben> Hi
[09:49:45] <wjp|work> hi
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[11:00:49] <Fingolfin> yo
[11:01:25] <wjp|work> hi
[11:01:31] <Darke> Hi.
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[11:18:44] <bj0ern> hi
[11:18:51] <wjp|work> hi
[11:19:00] <Darke> Hi.
[11:20:15] <Fingolfin> lo
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[11:59:14] <sb-x> hey
[11:59:17] <wjp|work> hi
[11:59:44] * Darke bows. Hi.
[12:05:26] <Fingolfin> lo
[12:05:41] * royalsexy looks around
[12:11:15] * Darke looks arabbit and wonders why royalsexy is looking so two dimensional. Shouldn't he be looking 'asphere'?
[12:11:58] * royalsexy looks lost now
[12:12:00] <royalsexy> :)
[12:12:30] * Darke thinks he probably should leave now, before his surreality begins to infect others. Like the 'hello bottle' did the other night. <grin>
[12:14:00] * royalsexy lights another funny-smelling cigi for Darke
[12:14:28] <Darke> Sorry. This is my mind as it is 'naturally'. That's what's scary.
[12:16:28] * sb-x gives Darke a two-dimensional Rubix cube to play with.
[12:16:30] <royalsexy> heheheh
[12:16:37] <royalsexy> thats ok then :)
[12:16:53] <royalsexy> i'll just sit here looking lost
[12:18:07] * sb-x gives royalsexy a clue.
[12:18:19] * Darke paws royalsexy a map, with at least 5 'You Are Here' markers on it.
[12:18:39] <royalsexy> heheh
[12:18:48] <royalsexy> thanx guys
[12:20:10] * Darke doesn't mind helping others locate their inner insanity.
[12:20:59] <royalsexy> most kind
[12:21:06] * sb-x takes the square he gave Darke and replaces it with an n-dimensional Rubix polygon, since Darke deserves only the very strangest of gifts.
[12:21:51] * sb-x gives Darke the matching bicycle as well.
[12:22:03] * Darke uses the Rubix polygon for a paperweight. Just like he used the rubix cube he had onetime in the past. <grin>
[12:22:37] <sb-x> heheh
[12:23:20] <Darke> sb-x: Nice. You're actually getting the hang of this 'surreality' stuff. <grin>
[12:23:51] * royalsexy watches the queer penguins walk past the window
[12:24:49] * sb-x is scared.
[12:25:13] * Darke saw that news story and thought it was exceedingly cool. Especially since it took their keepers, 3 years (or something) to notice. <grin>
[12:25:22] <royalsexy> heh
[12:25:29] <royalsexy> i just saw that one yesterday
[12:25:35] <royalsexy> its very cute
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[12:27:12] <Fingolfin> ;did you guys see my blue?
[12:27:18] <Fingolfin> hello, matto
[12:27:27] <matto> hello!
[12:27:31] <sb-x> hello
[12:27:50] <Darke> Fingolfin: Blue?
[12:28:22] <Fingolfin> I need it recolor my n-dimensional rubix polygon
[12:28:22] <royalsexy> badadidadado?
[12:28:41] <sb-x> ok im going to have a headache now
[12:28:48] <Fingolfin> somehow by playing with it, I changed the number of blue sides which is now less than the ultra-violet sides
[12:28:57] <Fingolfin> oh wait I know what happend!
[12:29:15] <Fingolfin> I let n approach infinity, which of course complicates things
[12:29:20] <Fingolfin> tsk tsk
[12:29:20] <Darke> royalsexy: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2002/03/08/gay_penguins/ This wasn't the one I saw, but it's talking about the same penguins. <grin>
[12:29:25] <sb-x> Fingolfin: unbalanced n-dimensional rubix polygons have been known to either disappear from the fabric of space time, or completely destroy the solar system
[12:30:07] <Fingolfin> to quote Dougla Adams: "... some claim that it already happend"
[12:30:12] * Darke would tend to avoid trying to destroy the solar system. Or for that matter, fiddle with the fabric of space/time.
[12:30:13] <Fingolfin> Douglas Adams even
[12:30:20] <sb-x> o_O
[12:30:36] <Fingolfin> bah, I am a mathematician, we boldy go where no man has converged before!
[12:31:25] <royalsexy> heh cool thanks darke
[12:31:33] <royalsexy> that's about the same ones i saw too
[12:35:24] * Darke thinks the penguins are very cute. <grin>
[12:36:50] * royalsexy nods
[12:37:04] <royalsexy> its a pretty cool story hey?
[12:38:40] <sb-x> hmm
[12:39:02] <sb-x> I decided to stop reading when they got to the questions like "Who plays the role of the male and who plays the female?"
[12:42:33] <Darke> Your choice. <grin> I just love biology, and never knew that the reproductive organs of birds were that different to mammals. (Further down from that question.) But anyway, aren't we meant to be talking about exult, or something? <grin>
[12:43:22] <matto> exult! yes! ...
[12:50:17] <sb-x> hmm
[12:50:30] <sb-x> So are you saying it's NOT being taken over by EA?
[12:50:31] <sb-x> :)
[12:53:26] <royalsexy> hahaha
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[12:56:46] <Colourless> hi
[12:57:01] <Darke> Hi.
[12:57:23] <royalsexy> 'sup colourless-dragoon :)
[12:58:45] <wjp|work> hi
[12:58:50] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[12:59:24] <sb-x> hi
[12:59:45] <Colourless> i'm not a dragoon :-)
[13:06:25] <matto> heh
[13:06:30] <royalsexy> you aren't ??!??
[13:06:38] * royalsexy looks startled
[13:07:03] <Colourless> dragon != dragoon
[13:07:15] <Colourless> a dragoon is a soldier of sorts
[13:09:10] <royalsexy> i know
[13:09:13] * royalsexy grins
[13:14:17] <sb-x> the guy in ff4 was a dragoon
[13:15:06] <sb-x> ff6 has dragoon boots
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[14:39:08] <Dark-Star> Hi
[14:39:16] <Colourless> hi
[14:39:17] <Darke> Hi.
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[14:53:19] <wjp|work> bye
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[14:53:22] <Darke> Bye.
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[15:39:05] <Dark-Star> bye
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[15:39:47] * Darke remembers to _quit_ tonight. <grin> "Night all."
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[15:42:00] <wjp> hi again
[15:42:06] <Colourless> hi
[15:43:49] * royalsexy waves
[15:46:28] <Fingolfin> yo
[17:51:48] <wjp> bbl
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[18:01:19] <wjp> b
[18:01:31] <Colourless> wb
[18:01:47] <wjp> thx
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[18:05:33] <Dominus> hi
[18:06:22] <Dominus> Colourless: how is that sound stuff going along (playing through the U8exe)?
[18:06:45] <wjp> hi
[18:06:55] <wjp> Dominus: Geneforge is indeed pretty cool :-)
[18:07:04] * wjp played the demo for a few hours today
[18:07:11] <Colourless> dominus: i'm doing experiments
[18:07:35] <Dominus> wjp: I solved it last night
[18:07:53] <wjp> demo or full game?
[18:07:59] <Dominus> Colourless: actually great idea as it requires users to have u8
[18:08:07] <Dominus> wjp: full game
[18:08:11] <wjp> cool
[18:08:25] <wjp> Dominus: no more than it already required it by needing the data files
[18:08:25] <Dominus> I have to admit I cheated like hell
[18:08:33] <wjp> tsk tsk :-)
[18:08:43] <Dominus> I always cheat
[18:08:48] <Dominus> I can't help it
[18:09:16] <wjp> it really won't run under wine, though :-(
[18:09:18] <wjp> slow as hell
[18:09:22] <Dominus> there is a nice cheat console in Geneforge (shift+d) and Vogel's games are always easy to hexedit
[18:09:32] <Dominus> bad
[18:09:38] <wjp> (that 'mouse problem' was in fact caused by a serious speed problem)
[18:09:49] <Dominus> there is a beta patch for the Windows port btw
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[18:11:39] <Dominus> anyone remember how to make a ramdisk in DOS? (so I can limit my RAM below 128 MB as U8 & Crusader require this when run in pure DOS)
[18:12:57] <wjp> you want to LIMIT your ram? :-)
[18:13:00] <Colourless> what about smartdrv?
[18:13:13] <Colourless> i can't remember how to use ramdrive.sys
[18:13:26] <wjp> does your bios maybe have some ram limiting setting?
[18:13:31] <Dominus> AFAIK those games are only fooled by a Ramdrive
[18:13:46] <Dominus> hm, that I have to check
[18:13:50] <Dominus> could be
[18:14:26] <Dominus> I was really annoyed when I tried endlessly to get them working, did everything right and those games still wouldn't play
[18:14:29] <wjp> what did you play geneforge as, btw? (shaper/guardian/agent?)
[18:14:46] <Dominus> but I complained about already a couple of days ago
[18:14:52] <Dominus> Guardian
[18:14:59] * wjp is playing shaper, atm
[18:15:18] <Dominus> I'm going to as well nex time
[18:15:22] <Dominus> next even
[18:16:26] <Dominus> it has some nice forked endings that I haven't even explored totally
[18:16:39] <Dominus> I didn't even allign myself with any of the sects
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[18:17:28] <wjp> this sounds like a good point to stop talking about it :-) (spoilers... :-) )
[18:18:00] <Dominus> yeah, the sects get mentioned quite early that's why I even mentioned it
[18:18:12] <wjp> I know :-)
[18:18:13] <Dominus> won't spoil it for you
[18:18:47] <Dominus> you can get quite far with the demo
[18:18:58] <wjp> cool
[18:19:31] <Dominus> so I take it you played in pure Windows? :-)
[18:19:42] <wjp> yeah
[18:20:47] <Dominus> Vogel doesn't seem to have his DirectX stuff together
[18:21:18] <Dominus> requiring fullscreen, 16bit
[18:21:30] <Dominus> quite annoying
[18:21:41] <Dominus> not that I could have done better :-)
[18:22:14] * wjp thinks he should've used SDL :-)
[18:22:20] <Dominus> funny that it's script controlled and you can actually edit those scripts
[18:22:41] <Dominus> a lot of people told him that (using SDL)
[18:22:42] <wjp> wine's reporting some locking-related errors too when running it
[18:23:18] <Dominus> he answered: what'S SDL?
[18:23:20] <Dominus> :-)
[18:23:59] <Dominus> but he should really use it as his data files are all pretty OS independent already and it could be easyly ported then
[18:24:26] <wjp> hey cool... (looking inside scripts directory...)
[18:24:40] <Dominus> thought you would like it
[18:24:46] * wjp isn't going to look inside the scripts yet, though
[18:24:54] <Dominus> you can cheat with those as well (if you care)
[18:25:00] <wjp> cheater :-)
[18:25:08] <Dominus> yeah
[18:25:51] <Dominus> with Nevergate I even cheated me past the Demo boundaries
[18:26:26] <Dominus> it was restricted to a bridge on the map and I cheated myself onto the other side and could play a little further
[18:26:50] <Dominus> but then I encountered the missing data in the Demo :-)
[18:27:40] <wjp> :-)
[18:28:31] <Dominus> but that was after I already registered and just had to wait for the data disks to arrive by snail mail
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[18:34:28] <sb-x> hey
[18:34:36] <Dominus> hi
[18:36:30] <sb-x> so umm...
[18:36:38] <sb-x> What did you think of Exile?
[18:36:40] <sb-x> 8D
[18:37:01] <Dominus> I liked it quite a lot
[18:37:05] <Dominus> 8D?
[18:37:19] <sb-x> 8^D
[18:38:15] <sb-x> I only played the demos but I went past that daemon.
[18:38:20] <sb-x> I can't remember what he did.
[18:38:31] <sb-x> hmm.. "demon"
[18:38:45] <Dominus> that was ages ago, can't even remember plot details
[18:39:00] <sb-x> all i remember is that he was the shareware demon
[18:39:07] <sb-x> and when you got to a certain point he said something
[18:39:08] <sb-x> heh
[18:39:20] <Dominus> Avernum is a revamped Exile, btw
[18:39:42] <sb-x> isometric?
[18:39:56] <sb-x> i thought avernum was the name of the overworld :)
[18:40:06] <sb-x> (in exile 3)
[18:42:53] <Dominus> don't remeber
[18:42:59] <Dominus> remember
[18:43:14] <sb-x> the only other game by the same company i played was the one that takes place in britain
[18:43:23] <sb-x> it was also only a demo
[18:43:26] <sb-x> i mean, shareware
[18:46:53] <Dominus> Nevergate
[18:46:57] <Dominus> All his games are shareware
[18:47:17] <Dominus> but his games are worth registering
[18:47:21] <Dominus> good plot
[18:47:32] <sb-x> i didn't have money at the time :-)
[18:47:36] <sb-x> maybe i will look into them again
[18:47:55] <sb-x> especially if something is ported to linux
[18:48:21] <Dominus> only exile 3 was ported, I think
[18:51:08] <sb-x> oh.. hmm, that is a good start
[18:52:29] <Fingolfin> exile/avernum rules
[18:52:37] * Fingolfin hopes avernum III will come out one day =)
[18:52:40] <Dominus> he he
[18:52:43] <Fingolfin> SDL versions would be nice, indeed
[18:52:51] <Fingolfin> not that I have a problem there, being mac user =)
[18:53:03] <Dominus> he he
[18:53:07] <Dominus> try Geneforge
[18:53:51] <Dominus> Mac users are always Jeff's beta testers before he releases the plot fixed 1.0 release of his games :-)
[18:54:43] * Dominus is actually jealous as the new games are out for Mac ages before the Windows release
[18:54:51] <Dominus> at least Jeff Vogel games
[18:54:54] <Dominus> :-)
[18:56:10] <Fingolfin> hehe
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[19:19:45] <Dominus> have you decided yet if you want to stay or leave? :-)
[19:22:04] * sb-x wraps duct tape around royalsexy's connection.
[19:22:49] <royalsexy> sorry
[19:23:03] <royalsexy> my bnc is getting some work done on it :)
[19:23:06] <royalsexy> bbl
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[20:03:27] <Dominus> another user with WinME problems
[20:03:43] <Dominus> He can't load savegames without Exult crashing him
[20:03:54] <wjp> that would be the same bug
[20:03:58] <wjp> Colourless?
[20:04:12] <Colourless> don't look at me. i have no idea what's causing it
[20:04:18] <Dominus> wasn't that just on saving?
[20:04:20] <wjp> just asking if you were here :-)
[20:04:26] <Colourless> no, it was on loading
[20:04:40] <Dominus> Listing 4 Save games
[20:04:40] <Dominus> 0 = 2 : d:\ultima\serpent\exult02si.sav : Bull Tower
[20:04:40] <Dominus> 1 = 3 : d:\ultima\serpent\exult03si.sav : dsfds
[20:04:40] <Dominus> 2 = 0 : d:\ultima\serpent\exult00si.sav : xz
[20:04:40] <Dominus> 3 = 1 : d:\ultima\serpent\exult01si.sav : Crystal Ball
[20:04:40] <Dominus> First Free Game 4
[20:04:42] <Dominus> (x,y) rel. to gump is (53, 34)
[20:04:44] <Dominus> Hit a save game field
[20:04:46] <Dominus> (x,y) rel. to gump is (57, 51)
[20:04:48] <Dominus> Hit a save game field
[20:04:50] <Dominus> (x,y) rel. to gump is (64, 192)
[20:04:57] <Dominus> that's the last of his stdout
[20:05:04] <Dominus> stderr:
[20:05:19] <Dominus> Playing SFX: 116
[20:05:20] <Dominus> Probable attempt at getting int value of pointer!!
[20:05:20] <Dominus> Playing SFX: 116
[20:05:20] <Dominus> Probable attempt at getting int value of pointer!!
[20:05:20] <Dominus> Playing SFX: 116
[20:06:01] <Dominus> does it help to tell him to turn off zip compresing?
[20:06:06] <wjp> Colourless: could you maybe prepare a binary with some extra debugging output in that function?
[20:06:38] <Dominus> I think that user is willing to experiment :-)
[20:07:45] <Colourless> wjp: such as?
[20:08:22] <wjp> cerr's of return values of the zip functions, and a few cerr to pinpoint the exact line it is crashing at?
[20:08:58] <Colourless> hmm
[20:09:37] <Colourless> this was not something i was wanting to be doing now
[20:09:52] <wjp> no hurry
[20:10:40] <Colourless> ok
[20:10:41] <Dominus> in the meantime I'm trying to investigate some more as curiosly it was working before and suddenly stopped working
[20:11:09] <wjp> that may be because that's when one of the files inside zip reached a certain critical size
[20:11:19] <wjp> s/zip/the zip/
[20:11:22] <Colourless> i'm not sure if this new user actually has the same problem or not. the previous case decompressed some of the files, and it brought up some messages about it
[20:11:34] <Dominus> I'm asking him to send me those 4 savegames
[20:11:48] <wjp> it did? (give messages, I mean)
[20:12:09] <Colourless> i'm pretty sure it did
[20:12:28] <Colourless> or i could be mistaken
[20:19:33] <Dominus> Question how do I disable savegame compression?
[20:19:45] <Dominus> I thought with 2
[20:19:48] <wjp> 0
[20:20:03] <Dominus> someone screwed up the documentation
[20:20:05] <Dominus> :-)
[20:20:23] <wjp> 2 will pack all files together in one big file, and then zip that file
[20:20:32] <wjp> this will typically result in a smaller file
[20:21:04] <Dominus> yeah, I was confused when I looked at it and the to my knowledge disabled compression produced a smaller file :-)
[20:21:05] <wjp> it's also a surefire way of producing a .zip with a big file inside. (Which would break on these ME systems if my guess is correct)
[20:22:21] <Dominus> Hm, I may be trying it out some more now in my ME boot as I did it wrong
[20:22:28] <Dominus> the last time
[20:22:59] <Dominus> I had 2 in the exult .cfg all the time. Maybe it happens with 1 only
[20:24:56] <wjp> did you try to load the savegames which I gave you?
[20:25:45] <Dominus> Yeah I tried with those
[20:25:58] <wjp> then it doesn't matter which compression level you selected
[20:26:04] <wjp> that only affects saving games
[20:29:21] <Dominus> well, I could try some more with those savegames and the ones I get from this new guy with the problems (incidently he's the one who had problems with disappearing Pikemen at Bull Tower - the savegame is now in the bugtracker)
[20:30:10] <Dominus> I'll just give it another try
[20:30:18] <Dominus> I'll be back in a moment or so
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[20:31:43] <Colourless> it looks like at the moment the only thing that isn't checked for a problem in the function is a memory allocation failure
[20:32:24] <wjp> GetCurrentFileInfo is also unchecked, but I'm not sure if that can return errors
[20:33:00] <Colourless> if new is throwing an excpetion, we wont catch it
[20:33:12] <Colourless> well sdl should
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[20:36:03] <Dominus> ok, of course it still works for me :-(
[20:37:17] <Dominus> any idea what I could do to make it crash?
[20:37:43] <Colourless> i think it must be a memory problem
[20:38:34] <Dominus> ok, then I think I can do nothing anymore in this ME boot
[20:38:49] <Dominus> I'll revert back to my XP now
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[21:39:31] <Colourless> omg, it's far too late to be up
[21:39:37] <Dominus> he he
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[21:56:25] <Dominus> interesting new bug with the status bars
[21:56:39] <Dominus> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=538432&group_id=2335&atid=102335
[21:57:09] <wjp> hm, I already fixed this one once
[21:58:57] <Dominus> but it is valid as it seems
[21:59:04] <Dominus> "sometimes they come back"
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[23:42:55] <wjp> g'night
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