#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 2 Aug 2002 (GMT)

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[08:55:42] * SB-X is about to destroy the black gate.
[08:57:05] * Darke ooohs.
[09:19:58] <SB-X> heh heh
[09:20:08] * SB-X is about to destroy the black gate.
[09:20:52] <Darke> _Still_?!? *grin*
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[09:24:57] <Darke> Hi Nadir.
[09:30:55] <SB-X> hi
[09:31:08] <SB-X> Darke: i was typing some email messages :)
[09:31:22] * SB-X is about to destroy the black gate for real now.
[09:32:03] <Nadir> hi
[09:33:24] <SB-X> "Stop the Avatar! I will come through the Black Gate now! Do not let him near!"
[09:34:35] * SB-X kills Hook and Batlin runs away screaming.
[09:35:57] * SB-X easily dispatches the others, and sets his sight on the gate.
[09:36:47] * SB-X places the three prisms.
[09:37:27] <SB-X> "So Avatar! The moment of truth has come. You can destroy the Black Gate but you can never return to your beloved Earth. Or, you can go through and return home. It is your choice!"
[09:39:28] * SB-X takes four Blackrock pieces from Shamino and places them at the gate.
[09:39:38] * SB-X aims Rudyom's Wand.
[09:43:55] * SB-X watches the endgame in fullscreen but doesn't remember enough of the dialog to repeat it here. You know how it goes. :)
[09:44:54] <Kirben> Usually the black rocks aren't needed, right ?
[09:45:02] <SB-X> they are not
[09:45:16] <SB-X> but i forgot about that
[09:46:05] * SB-X grumbles.
[09:46:19] <SB-X> otherwise I wouldn't have made Shamino carry those things around all that time
[09:49:08] <SB-X> I can report that I didn't encounter any plot-stopping bugs, so BG is still completely playable in Exult.
[09:49:57] <Nadir> hurray
[09:50:24] <Nadir> the gate itself is made of blackrock
[09:50:34] <Nadir> so no need for the rocks
[09:52:45] * SB-X doesn't know why he thought they were needed to destroy it.
[09:54:09] <Kirben> exult 1.1.0cvs now pauses when in background, is that normal ?
[09:56:12] <Nadir> what do you mean ?
[09:56:16] <Nadir> it always pause
[09:56:18] <Nadir> paused
[09:56:39] <Nadir> the gameplay always paused when the window was out of focus
[09:57:03] <Nadir> simon quinn also implemented the new sound code so that it pauses music/sounds too
[09:57:04] <Kirben> ok I don't think music always did though.
[09:57:14] <Nadir> but you can disable that in exult.vfg
[09:57:23] <Nadir> s/exult.vfg/exult.cfg/
[09:57:32] <Nadir> Kirben: you obviously haven't read the FAQ :)
[09:58:05] <Nadir> config/audio/disable_pause
[09:58:57] <SB-X> i wonder if a game add-on could register its own config keys and test their values
[09:59:10] <SB-X> s/could/would want to/
[09:59:24] <Nadir> definite yes
[09:59:33] <Nadir> or maybe have separate config files
[09:59:41] <Nadir> a general one and per-game
[09:59:55] <Kirben> where in faq ?
[10:00:41] <Nadir> sorry, README
[10:00:52] <Nadir> and it's disablepause
[10:01:40] <SB-X> i guess separate config is useful if an add-on maker wants to distribute a file with default values
[10:02:06] <Kirben> I see it now, faq on web page is less detailed.
[10:04:05] <Darke> The faq on the webpage is for the 1.0 release, you need to check in the cvs for the latest faq for the development release.
[10:05:37] <Kirben> I only just noticed bundled faq and webpage faq are very different, only bundled one mentioned config options and I always check web site.
[10:06:22] <Kirben> oops make the faq/readme difference
[10:06:25] * Kirben slaps Kirben around a bit with a large trout
[10:07:19] <Nadir> Kirben: obviously we don't want to confuse 1.0 users with 1.1 docs
[10:17:47] <Nadir> SB-X: no dlls though, please
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[10:17:49] <wjp> hi
[10:17:51] <Nadir> hi wjp
[10:18:39] <SB-X> hi
[10:18:44] <Darke> Hi.
[10:20:14] <wjp> sb-x: congrats on finishing BG :-)
[10:20:33] <wjp> so, both games are finishable with devel-1-00!
[10:20:42] <wjp> when are we releasing 1.0? ;-)
[10:21:17] <Darke> :bets that of course with all the alterations to exult to fix BG bugs, we're broken SI now. *grin*
[10:21:35] <SB-X> thx
[10:21:44] <SB-X> it took me longer than I thought it would tho
[10:24:12] <wjp> b0rk3n? :-)
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[10:29:30] <Dominus> hey ho
[10:29:32] <wjp> hi
[10:29:32] <Dominus> SB-X: great job!
[10:29:41] <Dominus> thanks for the patience of playing through BG
[10:30:00] <Dominus> btw, did you try to walk through the black gate?
[10:30:06] * SB-X bows.
[10:30:08] <SB-X> i did
[10:30:23] <Dominus> great
[10:30:40] <SB-X> the text didnt show up very long when i tried it though, ill try it again now
[10:31:15] <Dominus> I think I had that as bug report ages ago and it was supposedly fixed ( I could only read it for a second or so)
[10:31:35] <SB-X> how do you people kill liches?
[10:31:52] <Dominus> god mode of course :-)
[10:32:59] <SB-X> Death Bolt works nicely
[10:33:03] <Darke> Hi Dominus.
[10:34:44] <Dominus> hey what happened yesterday? no more talk at all after 16:31:40? no one leaving the channel?...
[10:34:50] <Dominus> exultbot: you were absenrt
[10:34:54] <Dominus> absent
[10:34:58] <Dominus> weren't you?
[10:37:28] <wjp> no, there really was _no_ talking then :-)
[10:38:01] <wjp> my quit message slightly after 2am tonight was the only thing I saw after saying hi :-)
[10:40:37] <Dominus> wow
[10:41:30] <Dominus> that is unusual (even though we had days of nearly no-conversation before)
[10:46:35] * SB-X just watched the Origin credits. D'Snell was Executive Producer of BG. :-)
[10:47:00] <SB-X> aka The Fellowship's former executioner
[10:52:04] * Darke snickers.
[10:54:54] <Nadir> hi dom
[10:56:17] <Nadir> SB-X: have you also finished fov ?
[10:56:23] <Nadir> wjp: and what about SS ?
[10:56:58] <wjp> yeah, I finished SS too
[10:58:31] <Nadir> good one
[10:58:32] <Nadir> sb-x ?
[10:59:01] <Nadir> SB-X: you do know that in Exult, if you press shift, the credits/quotes scroll faster
[11:03:39] <SB-X> Nadir: sorry, yes I finished it (for the first time), and got the double strength bonus after telling LB :)
[11:03:45] <SB-X> no
[11:04:38] <SB-X> that will be useful when i read the quotes again
[11:04:52] <SB-X> i thought pressing any key stopped them
[11:04:57] <SB-X> stopped and exited
[11:05:21] <Dominus> Nadir: didn't know that as well
[11:07:33] <SB-X> silver serpent venom was working strangely the one time i used it
[11:07:49] <SB-X> Avatar's strength was 60 and it dropped it to 30
[11:09:11] <Dominus> file a bug report for this as well
[11:09:52] <SB-X> what's it supposed to do?
[11:10:29] <Dominus> it is supposed to boost your strenght
[11:10:47] <Dominus> but if your strenght is already maxed out it may not work correctly
[11:10:50] <SB-X> maybe the original acted the same? because 60 is actually 2x the max
[11:11:00] <SB-X> if the max is 30
[11:11:21] <Dominus> probably similar to the belt of strenght issue in the tracker...
[11:11:23] <SB-X> but on joseph morris' page he shows a lot of wacky effects from venom
[11:11:50] <Dominus> true
[11:14:28] <SB-X> does UUW or SI come after BG?
[11:15:28] <Dominus> Underworld 2 after BG
[11:15:36] <Dominus> Underworld 1 before
[11:16:25] <SB-X> Ooh. Can I complete the game in UwAdv yet? :)
[11:16:49] <Dominus> nope
[11:17:06] <Dominus> and uw2 is not yet playable
[11:17:09] <Dominus> at all
[11:17:15] * SB-X is just being hopeful. :-)
[11:17:28] <SB-X> (and impatient)
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[11:34:42] <Dominus> bbl
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[12:16:41] <wjp> time for me to go do something useful :-)
[12:16:45] <wjp> I'll be back later today
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[12:16:50] <Darke> Ooooh. Bye!
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[13:31:35] <Dominus> back again
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[14:07:43] <Dominus> hi Colourless
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[16:22:36] <wjp> hi
[16:23:05] <Dominus> hi
[16:23:18] <Dominus> wjp: another important thing I must ask you
[16:23:43] <Dominus> how is the sign of dutch cars defined?
[16:24:07] <Dominus> I mean I saw a car today with the number plate: 45-HB-SN (or something like that)
[16:24:22] <wjp> well, it varies
[16:24:27] <Dominus> can you tell from what city he is from
[16:24:29] <Dominus> ?
[16:24:32] <wjp> oh, no, not at all
[16:24:35] <Dominus> just out of curiosity
[16:24:48] <Dominus> but the general area?
[16:24:49] <wjp> they're just three groups of either digits or consonants
[16:24:57] <wjp> no, can't do that either
[16:25:12] <wjp> number plates are just handed out sequentially
[16:25:26] <Dominus> so the dutch number plate has nothing to do with area or city, right?
[16:25:39] <wjp> right
[16:26:00] <Dominus> ok, I always wondered about that :-)
[16:27:57] <wjp> hey, Avernum 3 has been released!
[16:28:07] <wjp> but Mac-only for now.. grr...
[16:28:25] <wjp> windows version is scheduled for mid-late september, apparently
[16:28:43] <Dominus> yeah, I got that e-mail today
[16:29:10] <wjp> I'd really wish he was using SDL or something... *sigh* :-)
[16:29:23] <Dominus> or Exult Studio :-)
[16:29:34] <wjp> umm.. no thanks :-)
[16:29:41] <wjp> maybe in the future :-)
[16:29:46] <Dominus> yeah
[16:30:23] <Dominus> but Jeff Vogel using it would be really stress-testing Exults ability to function as game engine
[16:32:52] <wjp> Geneforge 2 in design stage too, nice :-)
[16:33:01] <Dominus> hmm
[16:33:10] <Dominus> that is something to look forward to
[17:26:26] * wjp hmmms...
[17:26:37] <wjp> uwadv is using 3-space indents
[17:27:05] <wjp> I wonder if I can somehow get emacs to use 3-space indents too, but only in uwadv files
[17:35:43] <wjp> yay, did it :-)
[17:35:53] <Dominus> :-)
[17:35:56] <wjp> whenever the full filename contains 'uwadv' indent level is 3 spaces :-)
[17:36:22] <wjp> gotta love emacs' customizability :-)
[17:43:46] <wjp> question: should I backport unicode text input to devel-1-00?
[17:44:34] <Dominus> hm, I don't mind :-)
[17:46:30] <wjp> might as well do it; it's not that big a change
[17:47:45] <Dominus> I should try out the latest fixes jeff put in 1.1.x
[17:47:52] <Dominus> like spellbook combat
[17:53:59] <Dominus> now that is truly invnetive: a mail with some troians or so masked as mailer-demon...
[17:54:12] <wjp> yeah, those have been around for a while now :-)
[17:54:29] <Dominus> first one I got
[17:57:49] <Dominus> phew compiling exult now takes ages
[17:58:41] <wjp> ok... that should do it
[17:58:44] <wjp> now let's see if it works
[18:02:36] <wjp> fixed & committed
[18:05:52] <wjp> (gives me something to write in the 'weekly' news, too ;-) )
[18:08:32] <Dominus> that time of the week already?
[18:08:42] <Dominus> 1.1x is so much more interesting...
[18:10:07] <wjp> last news was 28th I think
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[18:15:58] <Dominik> hmm,
[18:16:48] <Dominik> I don't know why, but uwadv likes to crash my XP system with the sound drivers
[18:17:47] <Dominik> hm, and nickserv doesn't like my password anymore
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[18:28:58] <wjp> wb again :-)
[18:29:01] <Dominus> well, well, well
[18:29:39] <wjp> hm, it's just using SDL_mixer for audio, isn't it?
[18:29:40] <Dominus> if I close uwadv by the X in the upper right corner of the window it blue screens my XP
[18:30:08] <Dominus> if I close with alt-x it ends properly
[18:30:29] <Dominus> let's make use of the uwadv bug tracker :-)
[18:30:36] <wjp> funny... alt-x and SDL_QUIT behave exactly the same
[18:30:59] <Dominus> I could reproduce it
[18:31:20] <Dominus> but after three times needing to reboot I don't feel like doing it again :-)
[18:33:06] <wjp> do you have a "main loop ended" in your std*.txt?
[18:33:46] <Dominus> for that I should recompile with console disabled I think
[18:35:38] <wjp> in which screen did you try this?
[18:35:49] <Dominus> deleting defines= -Dhave_console should take care of that
[18:35:54] <Dominus> right?
[18:35:58] <wjp> dunno
[18:36:04] <Dominus> :-9
[18:36:06] <Dominus> :-)
[18:36:56] <Dominus> happens with the release and self compiled uwadv, btw
[18:40:31] <Dominus> ok, with alt-x I get main loop ended
[18:40:40] <Dominus> and without it I get...
[18:41:10] <Dominus> arrgh now it didn't happen
[18:42:34] <Dominus> hmmm
[18:42:58] <Dominus> and with the release I get:
[18:43:30] <Dominus> also doesn't happen
[18:43:36] <Dominus> this is so annoying
[18:46:21] <Dominus> wow, clicking on free space in a container crashes the game (without taking the OS with it)
[18:47:54] <wjp> yup, you're right :-)
[18:48:30] <Dominus> now I can't get it to crash at all
[18:48:51] <Dominus> i mean that blue screen crash
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[18:49:21] <wjp> and it happened with the exact same release binaries before?
[18:49:24] <wjp> hi Max
[18:49:28] <Fingolfin> yo
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[18:49:36] * Fingolfin is finally back home
[18:49:52] <Dominus> hi Fingolfin
[18:49:57] <Fingolfin> gee, the new iBook for my mom arrived. Looks sweet, I gotta try it when I have the time (and teach her how to use it <g>)
[18:50:13] <Dominus> wjp: yeah the same binary did it...
[18:50:16] <Fingolfin> and this OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) build is sweeet =)
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[19:07:25] <Dominus> wjp: got a another lead on the bluescreen problem
[19:08:19] <Dominus> I *think* it happens when I just copy the uadata dir from CVS to where it should be
[19:08:38] <Dominus> if that includes all those CVS dirs it crashes uwadv
[19:09:46] <Dominus> unfortunately it seems that even if I have not the -dhave_console set, uwadv cahces all the error messages and writes them at program exit to std*.txt
[19:10:18] <Dominus> not while actually "giving" out the messages..
[19:10:55] <Dominus> or it might just be not having the zipped up script in there
[19:11:17] <Dominus> I really don't feel like another couple of blue screens to find out what happens exactly
[19:11:22] <Dominus> :-)
[19:15:09] <Dominus> and again it only seems to happen when I close via the X and not when alt-x
[19:17:30] <Dominus> then again it doesn't seem to happen now
[19:17:31] <Dominus> again
[19:17:46] <Dominus> with exact the same binary
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[19:22:38] <Fingolfin> hi Dominus
[19:23:04] <Dominus> hi again
[19:23:17] <Dominus> don't mind me rambling on about uwadv
[19:23:27] <wjp> hm, semi-reproducable infinite loop in the inventory code
[19:24:12] * Fingolfin has no problem with rambling =)
[19:24:36] * Fingolfin was/is in contact with the uwadv author, he's helping him to get it to work on OS X =)
[19:24:54] * wjp has cvs write access :-)
[19:24:55] * Dominus heard something about that
[19:25:07] * Dominus is pre-alpha testing
[19:25:30] * wjp is tracing down the bug that causes the inventory list to become circular
[19:25:41] * wjp thinks we're using /me a bit much :-)
[19:26:01] * Dominus wishes wjp would rather make uwadv movement possible with the mouse...
[19:26:13] * wjp isn't going to touch the main engine :-)
[19:26:13] * Dominus agrees with wjp
[19:26:20] * Fingolfin thinks that is no problem
[19:26:37] * Fingolfin thinks that maybe we should add channel stats here like we did for #fink, including a list of who uses /me most =)
[19:26:48] * wjp wonders if Fingolfin noticed the CRLF endlines in uwadv's CVS
[19:26:53] * Dominus also thinks that wjp has to make artaxerxes "coloured" in the logs :-)
[19:27:04] * Fingolfin didn't notice them yet, but <shudder>
[19:27:06] * wjp will do that once artaxerxes submits a colour code :-)
[19:27:31] * Fingolfin wonders if it means we are royal, considering that we are talking about us in the 3rd person
[19:27:33] * wjp is tempted to fix that, but isn't looking forward to the cvs-logs mail bomb that will cause :-)
[19:27:35] * Dominus will tell artaxerxes the next time he sees him
[19:28:00] * wjp thinks that if we were royalty we would be speaking about ourselves in plural ;-)
[19:28:09] * Dominus thinks that wjp should make sure that whatever caused this is fixed before fixing it
[19:28:22] * wjp agrees, and has already mailed uwadv-devel about it
[19:28:41] * wjp heard that vividos is away until sunday, though
[19:28:44] * Dominus has read the messages and has subscribed earlier today
[19:30:40] * Dominus would like to know from Fingolfin how the gui for ScummVM is coming along and if there is news from the LA-Lawyer
[19:32:30] <Dominus> oh, what I forgot to mention is that one of the crashes of Uwadv totally meesed up my uadata dir with illegal file and dirnames
[19:32:47] * Fingolfin let's Dominus know that he hasn't heard about the Lawyer thing anything new, but then he was off for a week
[19:32:55] * Fingolfin wonders why Dominus is talking so strangley...
[19:33:01] <Fingolfin> strangely even
[19:33:05] * wjp glares at Dominus for breaking the rules
[19:33:05] <Fingolfin> damn! now I am doing it, too
[19:33:12] * Fingolfin catches himself again
[19:33:46] * Fingolfin goes on to tell Dominus about the ScummVM GUI, which hasn't moved this week since he wasn't there, and painelf wasn't doing anything either
[19:33:46] * Dominus thought that some change of speech pattern was needed
[19:33:47] * wjp just made the dragon-skin boots disappear into thin air
[19:34:00] * wjp thinks that there are some bugs in the inventory code
[19:34:15] * Dominus thinks that wjp will regret this once he walks on lava
[19:34:23] * Fingolfin considers sending an email to scummvm-devel discussing the 16 bit overlay thingy, with several different ways how they could be implemented
[19:34:36] * wjp is thankful that damage from lava hasn't been implemented yet :-)
[19:34:55] * Fingolfin explains that the 16 bit overlay is important to get the GUI look OK in all cases - this would be very hard otherwise, since the palettes can be extremly different in the normal 256 color setup
[19:35:01] * Dominus noticed that and also that there is no "swimming" yet...
[19:35:39] * wjp just reproduced the disappearing trick
[19:36:26] * Fingolfin wonders if anybody here owns Simon the Sorceror?
[19:36:47] * wjp is tempted to purchase it
[19:36:57] * Dominus wonders if Fingolfin means own own or just own
[19:37:08] * wjp seems to remember Simon 1 and 2 only cost 15GBP together
[19:46:36] <wjp> Dominus: can you try this? :
[19:46:39] <wjp> open a container
[19:46:48] <wjp> make sure there are 3 items in it in total
[19:47:17] <wjp> drop the 3rd item on the 2nd, the resulting 2nd on the 1st, and then the result 1st back in an empty spot
[19:49:10] <Dominus> doing it like this didn't have an effect but some other way definitely rid me off an item
[19:49:28] <Dominus> ok
[19:49:32] <Dominus> "works"
[19:50:07] <Dominus> I did drop the resulting 1st on ona hand slot and then back into the container and then an item disappeared as well
[19:50:13] <Dominus> your way works as well
[19:50:33] <wjp> it looks like 'swapping' items doesn't update the inventory list properly
[19:52:04] <wjp> I also regularly get infinite loops while manipulating a 3-item container
[19:54:26] <Dominus> looking through old game CDs I burnt I found an exult version 0.35 for windows which isn't on our release list...
[19:55:15] <wjp> what's the file date?
[19:55:32] <wjp> it's possible I didn't build one in time for the release back then
[19:55:36] <Dominus> 11.07.00
[19:55:44] <wjp> hm, that's the right date
[19:55:50] <wjp> weird
[19:56:54] <wjp> wow, Kirben was already doing snapshots back then
[19:57:16] <Dominus> yeah, I have a snpashot on the cd from the 26.08.00
[19:57:34] <Dominus> nshpsota
[19:58:29] <Dominus> and a file called exultsound.txt (probably by myself from a jackchaos post) with the instructions of how to get sound
[19:58:31] <Dominus> 1) Don't complain if they sound really bad
[19:58:32] <Dominus> 2) Download http://www.uo.com/archive/ftp/patches/ult7p2gm.zip
[19:58:32] <Dominus> 3) Do not follow any of the instructions in the zip
[19:58:32] <Dominus> 4) Extract it to a temp dir
[19:58:32] <Dominus> 5) Copy 'mt32sfx.dat' from the temp dir as 'sfx.dat' to your base Ultima 7 dir (not the static dir)
[19:58:33] <Dominus> 6) Run the game with music enabled.
[19:58:35] <Dominus> and finally
[19:59:00] <Dominus> after finally the text stops :-)
[19:59:07] <wjp> hehe :-)
[19:59:44] <Dominus> and I found a file called WOUnderwear
[20:00:13] <Dominus> and it contains the infamous Ultima 7 without underwear pages
[20:00:17] * wjp doesn't quite get the uwadv inventory system yet
[20:00:38] <wjp> "Ultima 7 without underwear pages"? never heard of those
[20:00:49] <Dominus> you want?
[20:02:07] <Dominus> why is that so sloooooooooooooooooooow
[20:02:38] * wjp points at his other download
[20:02:55] * Dominus understands and suspected that
[20:03:21] * Dominus hopes that wjp doesn't mind adult material
[20:03:33] <wjp> eh?
[20:03:48] * wjp is beginning to wonder what that is exactly
[20:04:37] <Dominus> muwahaha
[20:05:15] <Dominus> but I think someone posted a link to that ages ago on our forum
[20:09:45] <wjp> what an.. interesting collection of screenshots :-)
[20:09:56] <Dominus> he he
[20:12:02] <Dominus> well searching for this site is very not working with google
[20:42:14] <wjp> ok, I think I fixed the inventory bug
[20:51:51] <wjp> what the?!
[20:52:10] <Dominus> huh?
[20:52:10] * wjp looks at commit mails
[20:52:26] <wjp> oh... d'oh... I had those files dos2unix'ed
[21:34:26] <wjp> that 1985 usenet thread about the Y2K bug is funny :-)
[21:34:30] <wjp> (top slashdot story)
[21:35:08] * Dominus takes a look
[21:35:38] <Dominus> well, it seems that page is slashdotted
[21:35:49] <wjp> a google page?
[21:35:55] <Dominus> at first
[21:35:59] <Dominus> now it loaded
[21:37:33] <wjp> that first post is so clueless :-)
[21:37:53] <Dominus> and the rest is really funny too
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[22:28:55] <wjp> a bugreport for ucdump... wow
[22:29:29] * wjp wonders when ucdump has last been updated
[22:30:10] <Dominus> where is that bug report?
[22:30:58] <Dominus> ah, i see it
[22:31:47] <wjp> is ucdump still being built?
[22:32:06] <Dominus> yep
[22:32:23] <wjp> might be a good idea not to
[22:32:35] <Dominus> drop a line for kirben
[22:33:52] <wjp> I should upgrade our configure.in
[22:34:24] <wjp> it's producing warnings with autoconf 2.53
[22:59:22] <wjp> time for me to go
[22:59:27] <wjp> g'night
[22:59:30] <Dominus> bye
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