#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 2 Aug 2004 (GMT)

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[01:59:42] <ElleVeeDee> howdy peeps
[02:03:18] <Baastuul_> Howdy.
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[02:11:17] <ElleVeeDee> hm, anyone happen to know a little about the functions in wininet.dll?
[02:12:37] <Baastuul> No, suh!
[02:12:47] <ElleVeeDee> ok.
[02:12:54] * ElleVeeDee wonders what "suh" means...
[02:13:07] <Baastuul> Sir
[02:13:11] <Baastuul> In a weird Britishy accent
[02:13:21] <ElleVeeDee> ah. of course. heh.
[02:13:48] <Baastuul> :D
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[02:29:04] <ElleVeeDee> uhm, forget that. turns out that there's a WebRequest class now. No need to bother with inet. mah bahd.
[02:33:59] <ShadwChsr> .net?
[02:43:12] <ElleVeeDee> oui.
[02:44:57] <ShadwChsr> Whatcha workin on with it? :)
[02:45:30] <ElleVeeDee> just need to download a few html documents, process them a bit, show some info.
[02:45:46] <ElleVeeDee> last time I did this was ages ago... with vb6. and the horrible inet control-
[02:46:13] <ElleVeeDee> this seems much better. worked anything with the WebRequest class?
[02:47:00] <ShadwChsr> A little
[02:47:06] <ShadwChsr> I know it can throw weird exceptions ;)
[02:47:22] <ShadwChsr> and is a pain in the ass, just like inet. Just not *as* bad :)
[02:47:33] <ElleVeeDee> oh, great.
[02:47:35] * ElleVeeDee sighs.
[02:47:38] <ShadwChsr> Its not that bad ;P
[02:47:45] <ElleVeeDee> ok, lets hope so. ;-)
[02:47:52] <ElleVeeDee> know of a better way?
[02:48:02] <ShadwChsr> I think the main problem was that it handles an HTTP redirect as an exception - you need to manually handle it
[02:48:13] <ShadwChsr> webrequest is pretty good, just not perfect :)
[02:48:18] <ShadwChsr> say, 95% :P
[02:48:23] <ElleVeeDee> just like me. mohaha!
[02:48:37] <ElleVeeDee> ok, I'll give it a go.
[02:48:54] <ShadwChsr> Working on some exult related .net thing? :P
[02:49:21] <ShadwChsr> also bear in mind that AFAIK .net has no HTML parser engine
[02:49:22] <ShadwChsr> just XML
[02:49:49] <ElleVeeDee> heh, no this has nothing to do with Exult. Or Pentagram.
[02:49:56] <ShadwChsr> ahh
[02:50:16] <ElleVeeDee> thought I'd ask anyway, there are bound to be some coders in the channel.
[02:50:53] <ElleVeeDee> its ok with the html vs xml, I'll use a lil RegEx to get it done.
[02:51:10] * ElleVeeDee thanks ShadwChsr for the warning tho.
[02:51:20] <ShadwChsr> Yeah I use C# excessively at work and have been working on a game project in my spare time too
[02:51:33] <ElleVeeDee> ah. anything Ultima-like?
[02:51:38] <ShadwChsr> Yeah, sort of
[02:51:43] <ElleVeeDee> pray tell.
[02:51:45] <ShadwChsr> Not a true ultima engine but its similar to U8's
[02:52:07] <ShadwChsr> Just mucking with an engine that I hope to turn into a simple net game one day, and grow it from there
[02:52:20] <ShadwChsr> Managed to get the basis of the seemless world working, finally
[02:52:49] <ShadwChsr> ~3x the size of UO's, just basic data structures for testing though, needs lots of optimization and there isnt much in there yet
[02:52:57] <ShadwChsr> all done in C# with some 2.0 features
[02:53:06] <ShadwChsr> (generics and stuff)
[02:53:15] <ElleVeeDee> you're doin this alone?
[02:53:20] <ShadwChsr> Right now yeah
[02:53:35] <ShadwChsr> Been working on it off and on for ages as I learn, but I have a relatively stable code base now
[02:54:22] <ElleVeeDee> k
[02:54:51] <ShadwChsr> Optimizing the renderer right now, once that's done I can start doing more fun things :)
[02:55:05] <Baastuul> http://baastuul.9cy.com/images/funny/plumbing.jpeg
[02:55:38] * ElleVeeDee can never refuse clicking a link...
[02:56:04] <ElleVeeDee> hehee
[02:56:06] <ShadwChsr> I always do, especially when IRC+Link+JPEG almost always == disgusting
[02:56:10] <ShadwChsr> so i dont bother anymore
[02:56:24] <Baastuul> :D
[02:56:27] <ElleVeeDee> this one was just funny tho. ;-)
[03:01:41] <ElleVeeDee> da heck, GetRequestStream provides SYNCHRONOUS access.... what bout ASYNC?
[03:01:54] * ElleVeeDee tears his hair off his head!
[03:02:34] <ElleVeeDee> ooh, ti-hi-hi...
[03:02:43] * ElleVeeDee hides his now bald head in the sand...
[03:03:36] <ShadwChsr> BeginGetResponse? :P
[03:03:55] <ElleVeeDee> oui ;-)
[03:03:58] <ShadwChsr> There is a whole section in the documentation called "ayncronous access" underneath the webrequest class :P
[03:04:13] <ElleVeeDee> yes, but you only see that if you're not blind.
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[03:26:53] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
[03:26:58] <Baastuul> Hallo.
[03:28:24] <Sheng_Gradilla> I was wondering about wand charges
[03:28:48] <ElleVeeDee> they're the DEVIL!
[03:29:39] <Sheng_Gradilla> I read in an SI book that the magician wand has infinite charges
[03:30:49] <ElleVeeDee> but, you disagree?
[03:30:58] <Sheng_Gradilla> UcMessage("Magician's Wand: While only slightly more lethal than
[03:30:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> the typical bow, this wand is rendered quite effective due to two interesting f
[03:30:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> acets: Its damage is of a most magical nature and more than powerful against mon
[03:30:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> sters with a predilection for challenging mages, and, it NEVER ceases to function. If thou art interested in power and duration, this is the wand for thee.*");
[03:32:09] <Sheng_Gradilla> I was just wondering if this is happening now that support for wand charges was added
[03:32:34] <Sheng_Gradilla> or if magician wands currently run out of charges as well
[03:36:27] <ElleVeeDee> I'm not part of the Exult team, so I cant answer that. Also, I play my Ultimas with DosBox.
[03:38:33] <ElleVeeDee> But I still think that's the wand for thee.
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[05:17:02] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
[05:17:11] <Sheng_Gradilla> good evening Colourless :)
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[05:26:28] <Baastuul> I wish broadband were available where I am...
[05:28:17] <Sheng_Gradilla> where are you?
[05:29:24] <Baastuul> North of Spokane, Washington.
[05:30:06] <Sheng_Gradilla> I thougt broadband was readily available everywhere in the US
[05:31:12] <Baastuul> Nope.
[05:31:19] <Baastuul> Where do you live, Sheng?
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[05:34:58] <Sheng_Gradilla> Ensenada, Baja California, Mexico
[05:35:05] <Sheng_Gradilla> broadband is expensive here
[05:35:31] <Sheng_Gradilla> we barely have a telecom infrastructure, so the rates are high
[05:36:02] <Sheng_Gradilla> US$35 + TAX per month, for just 256 Kbps
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[05:36:44] <Baastuul> Hiya, Kirben.
[05:36:58] <Baastuul> Sheng, I live in a pretty undeveloped rural area.
[05:37:01] <Kirben> Hi
[05:37:21] <Sheng_Gradilla> I live in a 3rd world country
[05:37:22] <Sheng_Gradilla> :P
[05:38:34] <Sheng_Gradilla> 6 or 7 years ago, dial-up Internet access was new to us
[05:39:11] <Baastuul> I used to live in Bangkok, Thailand.
[05:39:17] <Baastuul> We had Internet access in 1994, I think.
[05:39:19] <Baastuul> Or 1995.
[05:39:21] <Sheng_Gradilla> the only way to access the Internet was through the local universities and research centers
[05:39:33] <Baastuul> We had a 14400 bps connection.
[05:41:27] <Sheng_Gradilla> I was lucky
[05:41:42] <Sheng_Gradilla> with my mom and dad working at one of the research centers
[05:41:55] <Baastuul> Cool :)
[05:42:01] <Sheng_Gradilla> scientific research centers
[05:42:41] <Sheng_Gradilla> and I have three uncles that work on other scientific research centers as well
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[05:42:58] <ShadwChsr> hello :)
[05:43:06] <Sheng_Gradilla> and my brother, who recently got his masters degree, works at a scientific research center as well
[05:43:34] <Baastuul> Hello, ShadwChsr. :)
[05:43:38] <Sheng_Gradilla> and I will probably end up working with him
[05:43:43] <Baastuul> Sheng, what'd your brother get his degree in?
[05:44:22] <Sheng_Gradilla> Control
[05:44:34] <Sheng_Gradilla> Electronic Control
[05:45:18] <Baastuul> cool
[05:45:47] <Sheng_Gradilla> he is working at the Condensed Matter Sciences Research Center
[05:46:49] <Sheng_Gradilla> designing, implementing and deploying specialized devices to aid in research
[05:50:40] <Sheng_Gradilla> must sleep now
[05:50:44] * Sheng_Gradilla is away: No estoy
[05:51:39] <Baastuul> Night :)
[05:51:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> good night :)
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[11:25:13] <ZutGu> hi
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[13:03:03] * Darke sighs. Looks like a virus has hit someone with the entire exult-team's email addresses floating around on their machine. Just got a large flood of them, with a large chunk of said various addresses in the 'from'.
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[13:13:00] <ElleVeeDee> that is not bon.
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[13:21:04] <ElleVeeDee> kinda like ripping apart the hat whose owner who've been sitting on for an hour, while licking rusty forks.
[13:21:16] <ElleVeeDee> not quite, but kinda.
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[14:50:16] <sbx> hi
[14:52:49] <wjp> hmm... about U7 item dropping: would something like what we're doing with pentagram be possible in exult as well? (Show the item transparently in the actual target world location while dragging.)
[14:54:04] <Colourless> i would think it would be
[14:54:16] <Colourless> exult works differently to pentagram though
[14:54:37] <Colourless> for exult, items are stored sorted in the chunks
[14:54:46] <Colourless> in pentagram items are sorted when rendering
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[15:40:48] <wjp> hi Max
[15:44:58] <sbx> hi
[16:50:02] <Fingolfin> hi
[17:36:42] <Colourless> hmm....
[17:36:47] <Colourless> item sorting...
[17:36:59] <Colourless> we could make it a bit more pentagram like
[17:37:12] <Colourless> 1.4 is supposed to be about bit changes
[17:39:26] <Colourless> s/bit/big/
[17:40:04] <Colourless> could clean up all the damn object sorting code in Exult that is sprawled over multiple classes
[17:45:32] <Fingolfin> heh
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[18:15:39] <sbx> hi Baastuul
[18:16:07] <ZutGu> hello baastuul
[18:16:32] <Baastuul> Hey :)
[18:16:33] <Baastuul> How's everyone doing?
[18:17:54] <sbx> I'm about to watch TV
[18:18:25] <ZutGu> i'm just surfing on the net :P
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[21:01:55] <wjp> Fingolfin: did you get around to looking at a 1.2 binary for OS X?
[21:19:23] <ZutGu> anything very exciting in newest exult snapshot? :P
[21:20:00] <wjp> code cleanup :-)
[21:20:03] <ZutGu> hehe
[21:20:48] <ZutGu> that's good too but anything else? :P
[21:23:57] <ZutGu> oh dang
[21:23:58] <Fingolfin> wjp: uh oh
[21:23:58] <ZutGu> reboot
[21:24:00] <ZutGu> brb
[21:24:04] <Fingolfin> wjp: not really. I'll give it a try now
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[21:26:05] <wjp> Fingolfin: great; thanks
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[21:28:03] <ZutGu> back
[21:29:15] <Fingolfin> so "rewrite of the midi & graphics system to make it easier to manage", hm ? Like using the pentagram system or something alike?
[21:29:38] <wjp> yes, I think that's the general idea
[21:29:50] <wjp> Colourless has some big plans :-)
[21:30:09] <Fingolfin> would definitely be nice
[21:30:19] <Fingolfin> it'd improve the music quality on OSX, for one thing :-)
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[21:30:51] <ZutGu> are you talking about exult or pentagram now? "_
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[21:31:07] <wjp> um, yes? :-)
[21:31:35] <ZutGu> which one "_
[21:32:03] <wjp> if we're talking about porting parts of Pentagram to Exult, what should I answer? :-)
[21:32:41] <ZutGu> hehe
[21:32:48] <ZutGu> exult, I guess :)
[21:32:57] <wjp> Exult, then
[21:32:59] <ZutGu> hehe
[21:33:14] <ZutGu> so, what excatly are you trying to make now?
[21:33:24] <ZutGu> if I can ask "_
[21:33:49] <wjp> we're planning to port some parts of Pentagram to Exult ;-P
[21:34:16] <ZutGu> hehe
[21:34:26] <ZutGu> you said that 2 times already, *laughs*
[21:34:37] <ZutGu> well, maybe one
[21:34:54] <ZutGu> well, good luck to that
[21:35:06] * ZutGu doesn't need to understand more
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[21:50:21] <wjp> time to go; good night
[21:50:45] <Baastuul> Good night, wjp. :)
[21:51:47] <Fingolfin> night, wjp
[21:52:45] <ZutGu> night
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[22:24:35] * Lord_Nightmare hopes colourless decides that its worth tearing files out of bg.exe on runtime to get true mt-32 sound in BG
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[22:42:10] <ZutGu> going to sleep
[22:42:22] <ZutGu> night night
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[22:59:08] <Baastuul> Hi, trin`.
[22:59:25] <trin`> howdy
[22:59:40] <Baastuul> What's up? :)
[23:00:04] <trin`> just checkin' some pentagram infos :)
[23:00:59] <trin`> im intrested how far advanced the project is at the moment
[23:01:12] <trin`> but i guess thats the wrong channel ;)
[23:02:56] <Baastuul> Well, some people in here work on it.
[23:03:00] <Baastuul> Wjp just went to bed, though.
[23:03:58] <trin`> and i will do the same in some minutes :)
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