#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 2 Jul 2002 (GMT)

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[04:35:24] <sbx> ho
[04:36:21] <Darke> Hi.
[04:37:26] * sbx doesn't understand how to check the shape-frame names in SI. Many of the ones marked TODO: CHECK are already accurate, and he doesn't know how many "Qualities" there are for some items.
[04:48:55] * sbx doesn't understand why his X-Chat stopped working either, although he hasn't really looked into it.
[05:15:57] <Darke> No idea. wjp's been doing quite a few of them recently, perhaps he's not updated the 'check' list removing the ones he's handled.
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[06:53:00] <wjp> hi
[06:53:03] <sbx> heyo
[06:53:44] <Darke> Hi.
[07:19:52] <sbx> hey wjp
[07:20:00] <sbx> did you already check any of the si shapes that say TODO CHECK?
[07:25:45] <wjp> no
[07:25:52] <wjp> I can't, in fact :/
[07:29:06] <sbx> why not?
[07:29:15] <wjp> no windows available atm
[07:29:33] <sbx> Ok.. well, at least the first three are accurate already.
[07:30:12] <sbx> I got as far as the switch but wasn't sure what the qualities should be.
[07:31:00] <sbx> So far as how many qualities there are or if they even matter to the shape name.
[07:31:43] <wjp> quality shouldn't matter in most cases
[07:31:55] <sbx> x's ashes?
[07:32:04] <sbx> it says "this should be interesting"
[07:32:05] <sbx> :)
[07:32:07] <wjp> yes... there's a text entry "'s ashes"
[07:32:16] <wjp> that's my comment :-)
[07:32:39] <sbx> is each quality a different person?
[07:32:57] <wjp> that would be my guess, but I haven't looked at it yet
[07:34:33] <sbx> how many qualities can it have?
[07:35:39] <wjp> a lot :-)
[07:36:31] <sbx> only annoyance that happens frequently enough to be annoying is that after dropping so many shapes it says "Cannot create new item."
[07:36:39] <sbx> and you have to move to a new spot
[07:37:05] <sbx> exult is so much better
[07:38:12] <wjp> that might have something to do with our memory usage between many times higher :-)
[07:38:17] <wjp> s/between/being/
[07:38:23] <wjp> bleh.. not awake yet :/
[07:38:48] * wjp will go get some coffee :-)
[07:40:01] * Darke suggests wjp acquire some caffinated soap. *grin*
[07:40:45] <sbx> http://www.bluedomino.com/car/
[07:42:27] <Darke> Nice!
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[07:50:35] <wjp> sbx: I guess I should go remove some "TODO" comments :-)
[07:50:59] <wjp> the first three, right?
[07:51:05] <wjp> so, 0x172 (floor/wall)
[07:51:16] <wjp> 0x1db (wall of lights/wall)
[07:51:30] <wjp> 0x1e3 (rug/meditation mat)
[07:51:32] <sbx> correct
[07:51:46] <sbx> i have them converted to decimal on my list however
[07:52:21] <wjp> hm, don't have my hex<->decimal gnome applet here :/
[07:52:38] <sbx> the only ones i listed say "TODO: CHECK" or "TODO: CHECK!" or "TODO: CHECK [some numbers]"
[07:52:40] <sbx> hmm
[07:52:50] <wjp> did you check the (broken column/pillar of purity) one?
[07:52:52] <sbx> i was using windows calculator :>
[07:52:56] <sbx> since i was in win
[07:52:58] <sbx> no
[07:53:06] <sbx> but the pillar of purity is at least accurate
[07:53:09] <sbx> i created that one frame
[07:53:28] <wjp> that's enough for 0x220
[07:53:40] <wjp> the rest didn't really look like 'special' columns
[07:54:06] <wjp> I was a bit confused about 0x2b5 (whistle)
[07:54:36] <wjp> the shape itself is named 'whistle', but there were text.flx entries 'whistle' and 'bone whistle'
[07:55:01] <sbx> it looks like panpipes :)
[07:55:06] <wjp> oh, btw, I forgot to tag 0x2b8 (bed) as 'TODO: CHECK'
[07:55:35] <wjp> (all frames of that one :/ )
[07:55:39] <sbx> ok
[07:56:09] <wjp> yes, I would have named them panpipes as well, but that text.flx entry doesn't exist :/
[07:56:32] <wjp> what I'm wondering there is if some of the more gray-ish panpipes are supposed to be 'whistle' or 'bone whistle'
[07:58:35] <sbx> ah
[07:59:01] <sbx> 690 is a xylophone?
[07:59:07] <sbx> 2b2
[08:00:30] <wjp> yeah, so it seems
[08:00:55] <sbx> what will happen if you create an empty shape?
[08:01:05] <sbx> the last 2 frames of the whistle are blank
[08:01:23] <wjp> I guess it would just create them
[08:01:36] <sbx> but you couldnt find it to click it
[08:01:49] <wjp> yeah, but the name of it really wouldn't matter
[08:02:32] <sbx> no, i guess not :(
[08:02:42] * sbx looks disappointed.
[08:18:53] <sbx> im going to go check the others now
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[09:16:14] <sbx> hello again
[09:18:45] <Darke> Welcome back.
[09:20:07] * sbx thanks Darke.
[09:22:24] <sbx> damn
[09:22:25] <sbx> brb
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[09:24:52] <sbx> back
[09:25:14] * Darke watches sbx bounce back. ReHi!
[09:25:14] <sbx> im not going to check 696 it just looks like rotations of 1011
[09:25:31] * sbx ReHi's Darke and gives him a kiwi.
[09:26:53] <Darke> Eh? Why would I want a New Zealander for? *blinkblink*
[09:27:07] <sbx> ...
[09:27:31] * Darke oohs! The fruit! Thanks! *munchmunch*
[09:28:10] <sbx> No I meant the bird.
[09:28:16] * sbx looks at Darke disgustingly.
[09:28:19] <sbx> jk
[09:28:43] <sbx> s/kiwi/kiwifruit/
[09:28:56] * Darke grins.
[09:29:40] * sbx grins at Darke, then realizes that was his last kiwifruit.
[09:29:41] <sbx> :\
[09:32:02] * Darke munchmunches then licks his lips. And quite a nice kiwi it was too. *noddle*
[09:32:48] * sbx reaches into his pocket and pulls out... a large watermelon. He eats it.
[09:33:35] * Darke thinks that pocket must use a _great_ compression algorithm.
[09:35:07] * sbx looks into his pocket and shrugs.
[09:36:11] <sbx> wjp?
[09:37:06] * sbx gives Mr.WJP some cake.
[09:49:16] * Darke wonders if wjp can have his cake and eat it too?
[09:51:10] <sbx> he can't if he doesn't know he has it yet
[09:51:22] * sbx looks at wjp who is apparently staring at the wall.
[09:51:33] <sbx> :-)
[09:52:40] * Darke snerks.
[09:53:10] <sbx> Or dancing, like in SF Island.
[09:58:43] * Darke considers the last is a disctinct possibility.
[10:06:08] * sbx loves PHP.
[10:07:24] --- wjp is now known as wjp|work
[10:07:38] <wjp|work> busy day at work for a change :/
[10:08:04] * Darke snickers.
[10:08:49] <sbx> ah
[10:14:52] <wjp|work> anyway, I'm here for now :-)
[10:21:42] <sbx> Do you have ghex?
[10:25:46] <sbx> i only have shape numbers in decimal
[10:25:51] <sbx> ghex will convert
[10:26:55] <wjp|work> converting them is not really a problem
[10:27:03] <wjp|work> it's just easier with my nice little applet :-)
[10:27:31] <sbx> okay i sent my list to exult-general@lists.sourceforge.net
[10:27:49] <sbx> It says Attn. wjp
[10:30:34] <sbx> hmm
[10:32:08] * wjp|work didn't get it yet
[10:32:12] <sbx> i need to leave
[10:32:14] <sbx> me either
[10:32:18] <Darke> Bye.
[10:32:30] <wjp|work> bye
[10:33:15] * sbx gets a pickle from a jar in his backpack and rips it in two. He gives a half each to exultbot and Kharzette.
[10:33:22] * sbx nods.
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[13:59:27] <wjp|work> hi
[13:59:34] <Colourless> hi
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[15:16:13] <wjp> time to go home :-)
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[16:30:19] <wjp> hi again
[16:30:24] <Colourless> wb
[17:29:46] <Colourless> is it just me, or is viewing our forum really slow
[17:30:17] <wjp> just you
[17:30:20] <wjp> :-)
[17:31:02] <Colourless> sigh, everyday for at least 2 weeks viewing our forum has been a real nightmare it's just so slow
[17:31:18] <wjp> 2 weeks? hm, doesn't sound good
[17:31:29] <Colourless> yep
[17:31:47] <wjp> what's your ping time to sf?
[17:32:25] <Colourless> 400 ms
[17:32:45] <wjp> hm, pretty high, but not extreme
[17:32:52] <Colourless> i'm on a modem :-)
[17:33:00] <wjp> so?
[17:33:18] <Colourless> 400 is pretty good in most cases for a modem pinging a website in another country :-)
[17:34:50] <wjp> hm, I get 600ms to you
[17:35:11] <Colourless> hmm, wonder what happened here:
[17:35:12] <Colourless> Reply from 216.136.171.201: bytes=32 time=7046ms TTL=234
[17:36:04] <Colourless> the problem isn't just the forum though, i have problems connecting to the entire website
[17:36:20] <wjp> any noticable packet loss?
[17:36:27] <Colourless> no packets lost
[17:41:53] <wjp> hm, would almost have to be a congested link or misconfigured router or something, then
[17:42:54] <wjp> you could try a packet sniffer to see if there's anything strange going on
[17:43:19] <Colourless> sounds like too much hard work
[17:43:39] <wjp> not necessarily
[17:43:49] <wjp> hm, bbl, dinner
[17:44:14] <Colourless> k
[17:46:29] <Colourless> sourceforge itself seems ok, but the various project websites seem to stall when loading. for quite a few seconds (while waiting for response) no data is transfered
[17:58:24] <wjp> b
[17:58:37] <Colourless> wb. that was quick
[17:58:47] <wjp> yeah, I guess :-)
[18:07:19] <wjp> ouch... SI naming code is over 500 lines
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[18:08:35] <wjp> hi
[18:08:48] <Fingolfin> hiya
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[18:09:40] <Colourless> hi
[18:10:00] <wjp> I think I'll remove it from objs.cc
[18:11:04] <Fingolfin> sounds good. no idea what you talk about, but removing stuff from objs.cc or game*.cc always sounds good :->
[18:11:17] <wjp> the naming code
[18:11:29] <wjp> the SI code is already over 500 lines
[18:16:06] <Fingolfin> you mean Game_object::get_name ?
[18:16:15] <wjp> that's the one :-)
[18:17:47] <Fingolfin> I wonder if they also hard coded this in the original?
[18:18:14] <wjp> I think so
[18:18:18] <wjp> can't find any logic in it
[18:18:41] <Colourless> easier to do perhaps/
[18:19:03] <Colourless> in u8 they corrected that error, but hard coded all the combat data instead :-)
[18:19:10] <Fingolfin> lol
[18:23:01] <wjp> argh.. what _am_ I doing... I should be doing this in the HEAD branch
[18:54:44] <Colourless> cya
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[19:44:15] <wjp> hi
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[19:44:35] <Darke> Hi.
[19:45:13] <wjp> morning
[19:46:37] <Kharza-kzad> gday
[21:00:56] * Darke hmms... it would seem NWN's tools are only apparently ever going to work in windows, even though the engine's going to be ported. That's kind of annoying.
[21:01:10] <wjp> hm, yes
[21:02:19] * Darke ooohs. On other news, someone's started a port of the freespace2 source to linux. That'll be fun.
[21:04:49] <wjp> freespace2?
[21:04:58] <wjp> was that that space trading/fighting thingie?
[21:05:33] <Darke> No space trading, just fighting. *grin*
[22:02:33] <wjp> time for me to go
[22:02:34] <wjp> bye
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[23:22:34] <DominatoR^^^HC> hi to all
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[23:33:55] * Darke considers proding Dominus to make a note in the 'Official IRC channel' section about how most of us are idling on the irc channel whilst doing other things, and that response times up towards 30 minutes are not uncommon. *grin*