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[03:56:27] <Colourless> best thing about gog selling the ultima games is you can now shove it in peoples face attempting to say the games were abadonware.
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[10:54:28] <Philantrop> Latest svn doesn't want to build here. Any ideas? https://raw.github.com/gist/2857759/
[11:05:36] <wjp> yeah, there seems to be some incompatibility with recent automake versions
[11:07:00] <Philantrop> wjp: Ah, yes, that would make sense. Thanks, I'll take a look at it.
[11:07:48] <wjp> workarounds could maybe be disabling tools or forcing an older automake version. (Some distros have env.vars for that)
[11:09:18] <Philantrop> wjp: Yes, I'm packaging svn snapshots for exult and can indeed force whatever version is needed. If I find the time, I might try to come up with a real fix.
[11:09:22] <wjp> fixing it would probably involve figuring out why ylwrap seems to handle output differently than bison
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[14:46:57] <Wizardry_Dragon> @Colourless: They should probably add a link to the GOG page for U7 to the "free version of Ultima" thread, IMO
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[18:21:58] <SugarCube> GOG markets Ultima VIII as "Dark, engrossing story with a moral dilemma: will you accept evil for the sake of the greater good?". Uh, what's your other choice, beside not finishing the game?
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[18:43:06] <Wizardry_Dragon> Well, its more a question of whether youre doing evil to escape an evil world, or if you embrace the ponciness of the situation and start bopping children over the head with a magic battleaxe or start using the sorcerer guy to explode your enemies.
[18:43:20] <Wizardry_Dragon> (Also back now)
[18:59:05] <wjp> SugarCube: maybe the choice is buying the game or not :-)
[19:04:57] <Wizardry_Dragon> I actually kind of liked Pagan, but an Ultima game, it wasn't.
[19:05:20] <Wizardry_Dragon> Yeah, I know, I'll leave my membership card at the door.
[19:06:17] <Dominus> hey you are speaking to memebrs of pentagram :)
[19:09:10] <Dominus> just noticed that macports (package system for os x) brings also the new automake that generates the wrong sed line
[19:09:41] <Dominus> since I rolled my own prefix with a still old automake I didn't notice that problem yet :)
[19:10:28] <Wizardry_Dragon> I think the thing that killed me most about Pagan was you could see how they were laying the foundations for a game that kind of played with that whole moral dilemna and it gets lampshaded a few times but never really expanded upon.
[19:10:45] <Wizardry_Dragon> Or, as Spoony put it in the U9 review "AND THEN EA HAPPENED"
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[22:17:19] <SugarCube> Pagan is a game I hold very dear, which is apparently surprising to most. Bopping kids on the head with a lightning-summoning spiked mace is only fun for so long.
[22:18:33] <SugarCube> Regardless, I was under the impression that if Origin had remained independent, you'd have absolved yourself of sin in the true Ultima IX, which would take place in the Avatar's homeworld.
[22:18:49] <SugarCube> Err, the Guardian's homeworld.
[22:58:27] <Wizardry_Dragon> Same thing.