#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 2 Oct 2001 (GMT)

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[07:27:25] <wjp> hi Matt
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[10:00:39] <Nadir> hi wjp
[10:00:59] <wjp> hi
[10:01:37] <Nadir> phorum is acting up.
[10:04:33] <Nadir> when people have set the option for receiving replies to threads by e-mail, there is some kind of PHP error after posting to a thread
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[10:07:52] <wjp> hi
[10:07:57] <wjp> Nadir: hmm, not good
[10:10:33] <fingolfin> hi
[10:15:34] <Nadir> hi fingolfin
[10:17:19] <wjp> Nadir: I don't get any errors
[10:21:56] <Nadir> Maybe some guy has put a dodgy e-mail address in the db
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[10:30:06] <Dominus> hi
[10:36:23] <fingolfin> hi
[10:38:22] <Nadir> odd, it seems to be working now. I got a few messages of the type "Headers have already been sent"
[10:39:26] <Dominus> I got an error earlier while replying to the "Paperdolls in BG" thread
[10:40:05] <Nadir> I'll save it next time for perusal
[10:40:08] <fingolfin> problems with mailing list
[10:40:18] <Dominus> huh?
[10:40:52] <fingolfin> ??
[10:40:58] <fingolfin> I forgot the question mark :)
[10:41:10] <fingolfin> I meant: do you mean there are problems with the ML?
[10:41:25] <Dominus> read the logs :-) problem with the forum
[10:41:31] <fingolfin> again? bad
[10:41:39] <fingolfin> we had some two days ago, the DB was not working at all
[10:41:52] <fingolfin> hm, I wonder if this is caused by us or by SF
[10:41:53] <fingolfin> ?logs
[10:41:53] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[10:42:16] <fingolfin> what php error do you get?
[10:42:29] <fingolfin> maybe a sendmail problem, if it is only happening when emails are sent..?
[10:42:55] <wjp> come to think of it... I got a "headers have already been sent" error once before last week, but it happened only once
[10:45:32] * fingolfin is going thru car offers - internet is useful after all :)
[10:45:55] <fingolfin> for some reasons, my mom insist on getting a Fiat Punto again... well if she insists <shrug>
[10:46:05] <fingolfin> I only hope this one will last longer than the last...
[10:52:49] <Dominus> bbl
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[11:05:31] <wjp> bye
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[12:06:06] <SharpTooth> Hi. <bow>
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[12:19:31] <Colourless> hi
[12:50:41] <Nadir> hi colourless
[12:58:32] <fingolfin> hi
[12:58:56] * Colourless shakes his head
[13:00:00] <Nadir> how long ?
[13:00:10] <Colourless> 39 minutes
[13:00:50] <Colourless> you were 31 :-)
[13:05:48] <fingolfin> well, better than nothing
[13:06:00] <fingolfin> I mean, I could have quit now w/o saying "hi" first! :)
[13:06:01] <fingolfin> brb
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[14:50:55] <TonyHoyt> Hello people. What's new?
[14:50:58] <TonyHoyt> ?log
[14:50:58] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[14:51:28] <Colourless> hi.
[14:51:46] <TonyHoyt> How's life, Colourless.
[14:52:22] <Colourless> uninteresting
[14:53:07] <TonyHoyt> That bad hu?
[14:53:32] <Colourless> yes, that bad :)
[14:53:50] <TonyHoyt> Oh well. You could start your own game :-)
[14:53:56] <TonyHoyt> dam.. afk.
[14:54:58] <Colourless> aye, i could
[15:10:03] <TonyHoyt> Start from scrach, get someone to do art, make a 3/4ths view rpg. :-)\
[15:13:14] <Colourless> it's an interesting idea, which I would actually like to do one day
[15:14:53] <TonyHoyt> No better time to start then the present.. Although that would mean your takeing some time away from Exult and moveing time to that. Although would you be able to be more productive on a new project at the moment then exult?
[15:15:13] <Colourless> probably yes. but i've got a scripting langauge to create for exult
[15:18:21] <TonyHoyt> For exult? Why not usecode C? Didn't someone have that done?
[15:20:14] <TonyHoyt> Hell you can recycle your stuff. make a 'c' like language For Exult and then port it over to your stuff when the time comes. Shouldn't be that bad. correct?
[15:20:26] <Colourless> for the intros and endings. something simple and easy to use
[15:21:41] <TonyHoyt> I mean, for one thing, an simple stack based engine is nice. It's easy to code, works well and not that hard to understand. To simulate a real processor with your code is something I haven't even bothered to master because stack based is nice enough.
[15:23:09] <Colourless> no actual code in the scripts, it's just for the cinematic sequences. just things like "display shape at location", "play flic" and so on
[15:23:41] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm Okay... Well tis an idea.
[15:24:13] <Colourless> usecode is pretty much exactly what you described :-)
[15:24:43] <TonyHoyt> See, the idea can't be that bad to use for your own stuff :-)
[15:26:32] <Colourless> even though it's not useful for exult, a floating point extension for usecode would be nice
[15:27:39] <TonyHoyt> Could be nice.
[15:28:23] <TonyHoyt> I bet you could expand the basic usecode interpreter fairly well without current code breaking at all. There for allowing future 'exult developers' if that ever becomes a reality, to take advantage of said functionality.
[15:29:26] <Colourless> yeah it would be reasonably easy to do. there are quite a few unused opcodes
[15:29:46] <TonyHoyt> Hmm Well sounds like a plan but do you honestly want to do that?
[15:30:28] <Colourless> you see a problem?
[15:30:54] <TonyHoyt> Umm only problem is are your ambitions to do that or something else with the code :-)
[15:31:21] <Colourless> really, i don't have any plans for it. it's just a if someone wanted to they could
[15:31:30] <TonyHoyt> Okay....
[15:32:21] <Colourless> not even half of the possible opcode are used in the usecode interp
[15:33:46] <Colourless> it is also very easy to expand the amount of intrinsic functions without breaking exult as well
[15:33:52] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm Wierd.. Guess they came up with a bunch and just never found a use for them.
[15:34:09] <TonyHoyt> *nods* Again a whole lot of room available there?
[15:34:27] <Colourless> no, the codes just don't exists. only 0 to about 0x50 are used.
[15:34:34] <Colourless> there's lots of room
[15:35:32] <TonyHoyt> 8bit number for all the available codes?
[15:35:55] <Colourless> yeah 8 bit numbers for the opcodes.
[15:36:15] <TonyHoyt> So ya still have some 205 opcodes available.
[15:36:23] <TonyHoyt> Jeeze... plenty of room.
[15:36:27] <Colourless> 0x50 is hex :)
[15:36:42] <TonyHoyt> Well some room. How much is plenty is questionable.
[15:36:46] <Colourless> there are well over 150
[15:36:47] <TonyHoyt> *Wach* OH ya.. hex.
[15:37:04] <TonyHoyt> gods I need a break from programming.
[15:38:01] <Colourless> :-)
[15:42:57] <TonyHoyt> Could be cool though. Hmm?
[15:43:15] <Colourless> yeah it could be
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[15:46:02] <Colourless> wb
[15:47:18] <TonyHoyt> hi Fing.
[15:48:30] <fingolfin> hi
[15:48:40] <fingolfin> that was quick, hu?
[15:48:41] <fingolfin> :)
[15:48:57] <Colourless> better
[15:49:24] <TonyHoyt> Hmmm Gforce 3..... Mmmm.
[15:51:19] <Colourless> yes?
[15:52:10] <fingolfin> you mean GeForce 3 ? what about it? :=)
[16:02:43] <Colourless> it appears nothing :-)
[16:02:46] <TonyHoyt> I was just looking up an artical on Tom's Hardware.
[16:03:37] <TonyHoyt> I"m thinking of getting a new graphics card, some of my games currently on the pc are getting to the point where they are noticeably 'dog slow' on the graphics end. (tnt2 ultra) And the new Titanium chips are out from nVidia.
[16:04:27] <TonyHoyt> A new GeForce 3 Ti200 (A little slower then the basic GF3 originaly released not long ago) is expected to be marketed at $200 bucks. Not that bad honestly.
[16:08:22] <fingolfin> I should maybe get a new gfx card, too.. this Ati Rage 128 Pro (AGP, 16 MB ram) is not really state of the art anymore :)
[16:08:41] <fingolfin> but then, if you rarely (never?) play modern 3d games, you can live happily & cheap without it
[16:08:43] <fingolfin> like me :)
[16:08:45] <fingolfin> http://www.ioccc.org/2000/dhyang.c
[16:09:17] <TonyHoyt> I love my games :-)
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[16:10:27] <TonyHoyt> Later guys
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[16:10:39] <Colourless> i wont be impressed unless you get a card with at least 128 mb of memory :-)
[16:11:28] <Colourless> or it has 4 or more chips, or is bigger than mine :)
[16:11:35] <Colourless> http://www.users.on.net/triforce/6000/front.jpg :-)
[16:11:52] <fingolfin> Colourless: tony has already quit :)
[16:12:07] <Colourless> yeah I know, i was talking to you as well
[16:12:54] <fingolfin> I didn't try to impress you, more the opposite :)
[16:13:05] <Colourless> doesn't matter :-)
[16:13:23] <fingolfin> but that pictures look like a nice fake :)=
[16:13:50] <Colourless> it's a fake so good, even the engineers think it's real :)
[16:14:07] <fingolfin> well
[16:14:14] <Colourless> http://www.users.on.net/triforce/6000/resale.jpg
[16:14:21] <fingolfin> it looks very suspicious, because of how the red/blue wires are placed
[16:14:36] <Colourless> http://www.users.on.net/triforce/6000/back.jpg
[16:18:43] <Colourless> the card is real BTW
[16:19:07] <fingolfin> but it still looks like a fake :)
[16:19:38] <fingolfin> as I said, the ways the red/blue wires are placed, that is exactly how I would do it for a fake :)
[16:19:57] <Colourless> it's exactly how an engineer would do it too :)
[16:21:36] <Colourless> put the card on a flat bed scanner and scanned it
[16:40:23] <Colourless> that c program thing you linked is pretty amazing stuff
[16:43:06] <Colourless> it would be nice if I knew what it actually said though :-)
[16:51:12] <fingolfin> well
[16:51:19] <fingolfin> it prints out another nice program
[16:51:24] <fingolfin> which prints a third program, also nice
[16:51:25] <Colourless> yeah I know
[16:51:30] <fingolfin> ah :)
[16:51:34] <Colourless> but what do the characters say :)
[16:51:38] <fingolfin> well, run it through a beautifier :)
[16:51:52] <Colourless> you know what I'm talking about don't you?
[16:52:41] <fingolfin> no, I misunderstood you; but the answer is on the hints page
[16:53:07] <fingolfin> http://www.ioccc.org/2000/dhyang.hint
[16:54:18] <Colourless> ok. :)
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[17:41:49] <jameson> Hi!
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[17:42:45] <Colourless> hi
[17:42:46] <wjp> hi
[17:42:50] <wjp> that was fast :-)
[17:43:04] <jameson> Hi wjp!
[17:43:10] <wjp> hi jameson
[17:43:12] <Colourless> hi wjp
[17:43:43] <wjp> lol @ Patrick's last reply to my "test" thread on the forum
[17:44:54] <jameson> heh :->
[17:44:59] <wjp> could one of you post something on that thread with the "reply by email" thingie selected?
[17:45:14] <jameson> Sure...
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[17:46:38] <Dominus> hi
[17:46:39] <wjp> I was wondering if you'd show up after that post :-)
[17:46:42] <wjp> hi
[17:46:45] <Dominus> hehe
[17:46:57] <Dominus> it crashed on me when I posted that
[17:47:05] <Dominus> with the exact error:
[17:47:12] <Dominus> Warning: Could not execute mail delivery program in /home/groups/e/ex/exult/htdocs/forum/include/post_functions.php on line 445
[17:47:23] <Dominus> Warning: Cannot add header information - headers already sent by (output started
[17:47:30] <Dominus> at /home/groups/e/ex/exult/htdocs/forum/include/post_functions.php:445) in /home/groups/e/ex/exult/htdocs/forum/post.php on line 285
[17:47:34] * wjp nods
[17:47:39] <wjp> ok, thanks. That's just what I wanted to find out
[17:48:32] <wjp> guess we'll have to disable the mail option
[17:49:06] <Dominus> well, I donīt use it anyway
[17:49:57] * wjp wonders where that option is (if it exists at all)
[17:50:25] <jameson> Seems to be still there, in the lower right corner.
[17:50:40] <jameson> Right between the gray pixel and the other gray pixel.
[17:50:57] <Colourless> hmmm, well, it doesn't work does it, so i guess no one can use it
[17:51:07] <wjp> well, it does work, actually
[17:51:22] <wjp> I got some reply emails
[17:51:52] <Dominus> yeah, I just got an email that I got a reply (to wjps thread)
[17:51:53] <wjp> I did get christoph's reply by email, but not Dominik's
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[17:52:19] <wjp> hi
[17:52:22] <jameson> Hi fingolfin!
[17:52:27] <fingolfin> rehi
[17:52:44] * Dominus just thought this looks better
[17:52:55] <wjp> oh, and I thought we had inline images disabled on phorum
[17:52:55] * jameson feels new energy course through his body
[17:53:02] <wjp> but that doesn't seem to work either
[17:53:17] <wjp> phorum seems to be a bit buggy
[17:54:13] * fingolfin watches jameson rise through the ceiling due to the cursed potion of gain level :)
[17:54:21] <fingolfin> wjp: there is a new version of it, I think?
[17:54:28] <jameson> lol!
[17:54:42] <fingolfin> wjp: not that this always means an improvment, though :)
[17:55:01] * wjp checks what version we're using
[17:55:59] * wjp checks how to check what version we're using
[17:57:31] <wjp> shouldn't they have that in their source somewhere?
[17:57:52] <wjp> oh, here it is
[17:58:05] <Colourless> version: 3.3 | logout
[17:58:36] <wjp> yes, but which version of 3.3?
[17:59:15] <wjp> they 'just' (11 july) released 3.3 RC1
[18:01:18] <fingolfin> hehe
[18:03:00] <wjp> and they stopped working on phorum 4
[18:03:29] <wjp> "[because] the majority of people did not need or want [it]"
[18:03:36] <wjp> when has that ever stopped anyone? ;-)
[18:03:46] <Dominus> :-(
[18:04:54] <fingolfin> =/
[18:05:17] <fingolfin> hm, how do I cut a string to a given length in PHP? I haven't used it for too long :)
[18:06:45] <wjp> string substr(string str, int from, int length) ?
[18:10:29] <fingolfin> yeah, that is what I figured by now :)
[18:28:58] <Colourless> :-)
[18:29:18] <Colourless> no it wasn't me. Honest it wasn't :-)
[18:30:57] <wjp> ?
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[18:34:10] <Colourless> you'll figure it out eventually :)
[18:34:51] <wjp> I will?
[18:35:02] <Dominus> hehe
[18:35:04] <Dominus> I know
[18:35:08] <Colourless> yes you will :-)
[18:35:09] <Dominus> I guess I do
[18:38:17] <Colourless> call it devine powers :-)
[18:39:34] <Dominus> Can somebody help me?
[18:39:37] <Dominus> :-)
[18:39:45] <Dominus> that what you mean?
[18:40:00] <Colourless> hehe yeah
[18:40:26] * wjp must be missing something
[18:40:42] <Dominus> hehe
[18:41:03] * Colourless is waiting for the reaction
[18:41:46] <wjp> hmm... oh
[18:41:58] <wjp> bad Colourless
[18:42:40] <Colourless> hehe
[18:45:20] <wjp> no it wasn't me. Honest it wasn't :-)
[18:45:34] <wjp> ;-)
[18:46:24] <Colourless> hehe
[18:47:27] <wjp> hey, Jeff replied :-)
[18:47:54] <Colourless> this i've got to see :)
[18:49:35] <Colourless> hehe
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[18:55:54] <wjp> inlining images works without any trouble
[18:55:59] <wjp> funny... it really is disabled in the config
[18:58:07] <Colourless> inlining images?
[18:58:31] <wjp> yes, take a look at my last post in 'the' thread
[18:58:59] <Colourless> hmm. what's the code?
[18:59:06] <wjp> <IMG SRC="blah">
[18:59:11] <wjp> nothing fancy
[18:59:31] <Colourless> just html
[19:01:30] <wjp> there are some things really wrong with the way phorum handles posts
[19:02:22] <wjp> I once accidently entered an unterminated tag while editing a message. This caused the edit form break, which prevented me from fixing the problem
[19:02:40] <wjp> form TO break, that is
[19:02:55] <matto> doh!
[19:02:55] <Colourless> hmm
[19:08:24] <wjp> try editing my last post
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[19:21:57] <Colourless> what's the problem with editing thte post? it seemed to work fine for me
[19:22:10] <wjp> hmm, strange
[19:22:16] * wjp tries a different browser
[19:23:10] <wjp> oh, now you broke it :-)
[19:23:56] <Colourless> what?
[19:24:00] <wjp> this is a line from the textarea I get:
[19:24:05] <wjp> A new unterminated tag: <A</textarea></td>
[19:25:24] <wjp> netscape does show it properly
[19:25:40] <wjp> I wonder who's right according to the HTML specs
[19:26:34] <wjp> mozilla & galeon break on it
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[20:56:37] <Dominus> so wjp are you messing with the forum right now?
[20:57:55] <Colourless> i was messing with things
[20:58:23] <Dominus> ah, I couldnīt reach it
[21:00:02] <Colourless> might not have been me, can't say though
[21:00:38] <Dominus> whatever, works now!
[21:00:50] <wjp> I'm not touching it currently
[21:01:16] <Dominus> wjp: what about the kegs and their value of breaking stuff? :-)
[21:10:52] <wjp> powderkegs?
[21:11:01] <wjp> ugh... that's going to be messy to implement
[21:12:05] <wjp> they don't break doors they should break, right?
[21:12:31] <jameson> Good night, everyone...
[21:12:33] <wjp> do they trigger other nearby powderkegs yet?
[21:12:35] <wjp> night
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[21:13:00] <Dominus> nope, they donīt
[21:13:33] <Dominus> and it seems to me that they donīt break chests as well now
[21:22:33] <wjp> they might break chests that are breakable by weapons
[21:32:56] <wjp> I have to go
[21:32:57] <wjp> night
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[21:33:06] <Colourless> cya
[21:53:10] <Colourless> time to got
[21:53:13] <Colourless> go even
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[21:53:24] <Dominus> me as well
[21:53:28] <Dominus> bye
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