#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 30 Aug 2012 (GMT)

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[11:10:30] <Serel> Is this channel intended for discussion of Exult as an engine/development, or Ultima 7 in general (Run through Exult)?
[11:39:59] <Dominus> both
[11:40:04] <Dominus> hi
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[12:22:38] <Serel> How common is that disappearing items thing?
[12:27:16] <Dominus> I think http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=358191&t=358191 is a good read about that, even though it gets side tracked at times.
[12:27:55] <Dominus> In current SVN it is supposed to be fixed. don't know for sure yet, since we don't have a fool proof way to trigger it.
[12:28:23] <Serel> SVN?
[12:28:32] <Dominus> development code
[12:28:49] <Serel> RC or unstable snapshot?
[12:28:59] <Dominus> snapshot
[12:32:13] <Serel> Can I just update to the snapshot and back without losing/corrupting saves?
[12:32:59] <Dominus> yes
[12:37:03] <wjp> although I wouldn't recommend using saves from a newer version of exult in an older version
[12:38:14] <Serel> I'm just a tad scared of whether the "Unstable" part leaves it as a lesser evil...
[12:39:23] <wjp> which version are you currenly using, if any?
[12:39:52] <Serel> <- Very paranoid about game-breaking bugs, and unable to gauge the dangerous ones in Ultima, being sortof a newcomer...
[12:39:55] <Serel> 1.4.9
[12:40:48] <Serel> I don't even know of anywhere to overtake a house to store most of the contents of Brittania
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[14:28:48] <Dominus> Serel: if you are still here, snapshot is definitely better than 1.4.9
[14:29:14] <Dominus> things have been fixed and the disappearing items thing also, which is in 1.4.9
[14:40:34] <Colourless> should probably release a rc2
[14:54:14] <Dominus> Colourless: because of our really slowed down development and the policy of some distros to only use final versions, I'm thinking of releasing a final 1.6 version instead when we have some reports back on the item issue
[14:54:44] <Dominus> it's really not right for the last final version to be 1.2
[14:54:50] <Dominus> ancient 1.2
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[20:20:48] <Serel> How exactly do I update from 1.4.9 to 1.5 without destroying the fabric of the Internet?
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[21:16:37] <Dominus> Serel: you download the snapshot, you doubleclick the download, install it to where you installed exult before (even though that doesn't really matter much, it will still use the same settings (except for stuff that changed since 1.4.9) and savegames)
[21:17:58] <Serel> Ah, good, sounds... ... If I say this, the universe/windows 7/Demon of Coding will take a chance to laugh at me, won't they?
[21:18:56] <Dominus> yep :)
[21:19:17] <Serel> I still don't know why LB's castle has tentacles floating around it.
[21:19:55] <Serel> Uncheck everything but Install Exult?
[21:20:36] <Dominus> I'm not 100% sure what the windows installer has for options to check
[21:20:51] <Dominus> it's been a while since I used Windows
[21:29:50] <Serel> Do the deer respawn?
[21:31:04] <Dominus> They should, I don't think they have eggs that only spawn them once (eggs are hidden markers in U7 (and other Ultimas) that make things happen)
[21:31:32] <Serel> Ah. Do monsters respawn in general?
[21:33:25] <Dominus> generic ones often do
[21:34:54] <Serel> Ah, good. Now back to my search of Shamino, somewhere to overtake as a Rebel Base/loot storage, and gold.
[21:43:10] <Dominus> Good luck and have fun playing the game :)
[21:45:37] <Serel> Ah, by the way, should I keep all the gold and bolts in one stack?
[21:46:22] <Dominus> they split at 100
[21:46:36] <Dominus> or rather you can't have more than 100
[21:46:41] <Dominus> in one stack
[21:46:56] <Dominus> micro management of your backpack is entirely up to you :)
[21:47:36] <Dominus> after sometime managing that chaos you will eventually just throw everything somewhere :)
[21:47:53] <Serel> Gah, why do bags take up so much space?
[21:48:14] <Dominus> you can put one at the belt slot
[21:48:37] <Dominus> and there are limits enforced by the engine to make it a bit more natural
[21:48:46] <Dominus> a *bit* :)
[21:49:25] <Serel> Should I keep Spark in the party for the entire game?
[21:49:37] <Dominus> yes
[21:50:11] <Dominus> he's good for some funny conversations
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[21:51:05] <Serel> Is the pocketwatch metaphysical in Exult? Or did it disappear forever but give me use of the w key anyway because my pack was full?
[21:51:51] <Dominus> it should be somewhere
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[21:53:07] <kaboo> ok so i copied my .exult.cfg over from windows and now the game finds the files BUT freezes immidiatrly on startup
[21:53:45] <Serel> Iolo has a bag full of cakes stolen from British. I say he deserved to have his massive super-produced cake stash stolen for not giving me a room and free run of the castle.
[21:54:16] <kaboo> does anyone have any idea why?
[21:54:29] <kaboo> im on a linux machine btw
[21:54:37] <Dominus> kaboo, more information please. And better don't use your windows cfg in linux
[21:54:50] <kaboo> i needed the path lines
[21:54:54] <Dominus> delete it and start exult and it will make a new one
[21:55:00] <kaboo> without path lines
[21:55:11] <Dominus> add them via an editor
[21:55:25] <kaboo> i0 dont wnant to type all of that
[21:55:41] <Dominus> good luck then
[21:56:34] <kaboo> you have no idea what MIGHT be causing the lockups?
[21:57:21] <Dominus> no, you have given me nothing to make any guess
[21:57:56] <Dominus> my first guess would be to get rid of the window line ending cfg and just copy paste the path stuff in there
[21:57:57] <kaboo> Starting forked player failed
[21:57:58] <kaboo> XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" after 15 requests (15 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[21:58:00] <kaboo> XIO: fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0" after 22 requests (22 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[21:58:04] <kaboo> thats the error line
[21:58:58] <Dominus> sorry, unless you have clean, auto generated cfg file I won't be able to help further
[22:01:36] <kaboo> ok i auto generated a new xml config and its gettign the same error
[22:02:06] <Dominus> without having to enter the paths stuff at all?
[22:02:40] <Dominus> what version of exult, how did you built it, what is your OS?
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[22:03:57] <kaboo> i0 copied it over ro the windows file and it finds that just fine i thik it has to do with the midi player and its version 1.4.9rc1 i built it from the aur and my OS is arch linux
[22:05:15] <Dominus> can you try the SVN *and* make sure you are using SDL 1.2.15 and not an older SDL.
[22:05:37] <Dominus> try setting another midid player or disable audio alltogether first
[22:06:08] <kaboo> ok
[22:07:28] <kaboo> yup it was the midi
[22:09:34] <kaboo> strange mouse move was slow till i got into the game now its fine
[22:11:09] <Dominus> yeah
[22:11:38] <kaboo> i need to pick a better scaler method though
[22:12:44] <Dominus> svn has better display stuff I think
[22:12:55] <kaboo> and setting audio to asla seems to fix it
[22:14:00] <kaboo> finally no more playing this in crappy dosbox now if only someone would make a better engine for ultima 9
[22:16:21] <Dominus> at least they are trying to fix the engine up a bit
[22:16:42] <kaboo> who is and where?
[22:17:14] <Dominus> http://www.forgottenworld.de/
[22:18:00] <kaboo> will this fix the dialog camera bug in bucanners den?
[22:18:26] <Dominus> I don't know
[22:18:55] <kaboo> ah o-k for soem reaspon i like ultima 9 i dont een know why
[22:50:35] <kaboo> can i0 use the blacksmithes forge to create weapons?
[22:52:47] <Dominus> no, only the black sword in the FoV can be forged
[22:52:52] <kaboo> ok
[22:52:58] <Dominus> I think there is a mod though that allows it.
[22:53:07] <Dominus> maybe even Marzo's keyring mod
[22:57:03] <kaboo> im do-i0ng the murder investigation with the dead gargoyal over my back
[22:57:49] <Dominus> what's with your i0 thing?
[22:58:02] <kaboo> i have no idea
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