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[11:35:53] <Colourless> hi
[11:37:13] <Darke> Hi.
[11:48:26] <Colourless> so you liked my crazy idea for pentagram :-)
[11:56:06] <Darke> Of course. *grin*
[11:56:27] <Colourless> i really like it too :-)
[11:56:49] <Colourless> has that whole "it's more like an operating system than a game engine" thing happening ;-)
[11:57:24] * Darke nodnods. It's what he likes about it too. *grin*
[11:59:02] <Colourless> :-)
[12:01:50] * Darke was also thinking of having some sort of 'KernalThread' object, then deriving all the 'tool's main classes from it. So it'd not only be possible to compile a stand alone tool (shape viewer/animation editor/compiler/etc) but have them integrated into the engine, and be able to do a portable graphical interface for all the tools if (or rather when *grin*) people want them.
[12:03:08] <Colourless> yes, sounds like a reasonable idea, wouldn't be too difficult to do either i would think
[12:03:31] <Colourless> each component would just have to be properly designed
[12:03:34] <Darke> Of course, this requires at least to things 1) an 'kernal' and graphical subsystem and 2) maybe a usecode compiler would be helpful too? Rather then us writing 'yet another file format' to handle it. *grin*
[12:03:45] * Darke nods. Yep.
[12:04:10] <Colourless> the application interface used by the old tools would be a good place to start to get ideas from
[12:04:39] * Darke nods.
[12:05:35] * Darke arughs and really hates long hair sometimes. It's an absolute pain to try and get the knots out of.
[12:06:06] <Colourless> you know, there is an easy solution to that problem :-)
[12:06:25] <Colourless> have short hair :-)
[12:06:50] <Darke> Yeah. But for a person who's hair goes from 'almost nothing' to 'seriously needs to be cut, hanging in his eyes' within a month, that's really not an option. *grin*
[12:07:18] <Darke> It's also _thick_ which doesn't help any.
[12:07:37] <Colourless> :-)
[12:10:44] * Darke has been told he's got hair most females would kill for. It's thick, just slightly wavy, almost impossible to give split ends too, and just sits where you put it if you actually bother to 'style' it in some manner. *grin* It's a 'pity' the only thing he does with it is to brush it and tie a hair band around it to keep it out of his way.
[12:13:46] * Colourless has fairly uninteresting hair. it's dead straight.
[12:15:28] * Darke pouts. That's way unfair. Can I swap some of my 'wave' for some of your 'straight'?
[12:16:20] <Colourless> sounds like a bad trade to me :-)
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[12:18:07] * Darke already has a couple of females waiting in line for a piece of my wave. (That sounds _so_ wrong. *grin*) That's how he found out about how he has 'hair females would kill for'. *grin*
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[12:18:21] <wjp> huh?
[12:18:25] * wjp reads logs
[12:18:27] <Darke> Hi wjp. Today's topic is 'hair'. *grin*
[12:18:44] <Colourless> hi
[12:18:55] * Darke thinks that's got to be one of the more surreal lines for someone to walk in on. *grin*
[12:19:06] <Colourless> no wjp, we are not a bunch of chick pretending to be darke and colourless :-)(
[12:19:15] <wjp> lol
[12:19:20] <wjp> pity :-)
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[12:19:58] <wjp|work> fun... this machine won't do anything once you turn it on
[12:20:04] <Colourless> i think my appaling typing/spelling proves that I am who I say I am :-)
[12:20:10] * Darke can pretend to be female if you want. *innocentblink*
[12:20:11] <wjp|work> not even these POST beep codes
[12:20:21] <Darke> Sounds a little dead. *grin*
[12:20:25] <wjp|work> fans start spinning, but nothing happens
[12:20:37] <Darke> Colourless: Ok. You're definately Colourless then. *grin*
[12:20:38] <Colourless> sure we could all pretend... but would it be convincing though :-)
[12:20:39] <wjp|work> hm... there's a led burning red on the motherboard
[12:21:05] <Darke> That's usually the "Yes I have power" led on the mobos I have.
[12:23:35] <wjp|work> shouldn't it be green or something?
[12:24:11] <wjp|work> I think I'll go disconnect random components :-)
[12:24:36] <Colourless> try to find the website of the mother board manufacture and download thet manual
[12:25:10] <Darke> Not the ones I have. What brand's the MOBO? My AOpen ones (IIRC) have a bright red led that lights when it's got power. Rather scary at night when you just installed it and are 'burning it in' with the computer in your bedroom, and you're trying to find out what that bright red light is, hoping that the mobo hasn't caught on fire. *grin*
[12:25:30] <Colourless> unless of course you actually have the manual... but i'm thinking, university... not that likely :-)
[12:26:04] <wjp|work> AOpen AK73 Pro(A)
[12:26:11] * Darke has _plenty_ of manuals at his university, they're stuffed all over the place. Good luck finding precicely the one you need though. *grin*
[12:26:23] <Darke> wjp|work: That'll be the "I have power" light then. *grin*
[12:27:26] <wjp|work> ...
[12:27:31] <wjp|work> it just SPOKE to me
[12:27:36] <wjp|work> "your memory may have a problem"
[12:27:50] <wjp|work> (I just removed the memory, btw ;-) )
[12:27:50] * Darke has the AK72 one that they rushed out just as AMD were EOLing the slot Athlons. IRQ collisions continuously that cause one freeze or BSOD after the other.
[12:27:52] <Darke> Yes. *grin*
[12:27:55] <Colourless> :-)
[12:27:58] <Darke> Didn't you know that? *grin*
[12:28:00] <wjp|work> this is scary
[12:28:06] <wjp|work> :-)
[12:28:18] <wjp|work> ok, so at least _something_ is still working
[12:28:52] <Darke> Quit complaining. It's easier then hunting down the reference manual to find out what BEEEEEEPbeepBEEEP means, isn't it? *grin*
[12:29:07] <wjp|work> well, at least it does tell you what it means once you find it :-)
[12:29:52] <Darke> Hey! It told you what it meant! "Your Memory May Have A Problem." And it was correct, the memory's problem was that it wasn't inserted into the mobo. *grin*
[12:29:54] <Colourless> i wonder, which is better, a mother board that talks, or one that has a led numerical display that outputs an error code
[12:31:16] * Darke likes the latter for 'geek factor', the former for ease of use. He's got 5 different mobos around the place, from 4 different manufactuerors, wanna bet they all have different numbers corrosponding to the same errors? *grin*
[12:32:21] * Darke ugs, he really should sleep. He's rambling and his spelling is getting almost as bad as Colourless'. *grin, duck* Night all!
[12:32:45] <Colourless> yes, I know, the truth hurts me, i should expect it more often :-)
[12:33:00] * Darke snickers and tries to look innocent.
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[12:34:00] <wjp|work> night
[12:34:10] <Colourless> cya Darke|afk
[12:34:29] <wjp|work> we got 142Gb of traffic yesterday in total, btw
[12:34:32] <wjp|work> 1.6 million hits
[12:34:54] <wjp|work> (our webserver usually does 142Gb in about 4 years ;-) )
[12:36:00] <Kirben> what website ?
[12:36:35] <Darke|afk> http://escherdroste.math.leidenuniv.nl/ <-- This one.
[12:44:21] * wjp|work nods
[12:45:27] <wjp|work> I think I'll go steal the RAM from another machine to see if it works with that
[12:45:29] <wjp|work> bbl
[12:57:49] <wjp|work> yay, fixed it
[12:57:55] <wjp|work> sound card apparently blew itself up
[12:59:55] <Colourless> hmm
[13:01:10] <Colourless> saw that happen once to a sound card that wasn't properly screwed in. it managed to get loose and lean down and touch the bottom of the case... the result was one fried card, and a really bad smell :-)
[13:27:33] <wjp|work> heh :-)
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[13:51:20] <Nadir> hi
[13:51:52] <wjp|work> hi
[13:52:00] <Colourless> hi
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[13:59:09] <Dominus> hi
[13:59:18] <Colourless> hi
[13:59:33] <Dominus> wjp|work: uwadv seems to have a serious check-in/checkout problem
[13:59:55] <wjp|work> really? what's wrong?
[14:00:14] <wjp|work> (and since when?)
[14:00:23] <Dominus> the one you noticed yesterday with the lineendings
[14:00:32] <wjp|work> ah, yes
[14:00:48] <Colourless> someone might have a broken cvs
[14:00:48] <wjp|work> I'll probably fix it tonight
[14:00:55] <wjp|work> and email their ML
[14:01:02] <Dominus> there really seems to be something wrong the way the files were checked in
[14:01:04] * wjp|work has cvs write access, yay :-)
[14:01:08] <Dominus> cool
[14:01:15] <Colourless> the might be using cygwin cvs + MSVC in Windows or something
[14:01:34] <Dominus> Colourless: that sounds like it
[14:02:21] <Dominus> to get "useable files" I had to check out with some special setting to checkout with unix-line endings kept intact...
[14:02:34] <wjp|work> with wincvs?
[14:02:39] <Dominus> yep
[14:03:02] <Dominus> (which is not needed for Exult)
[14:03:29] <Colourless> otherwise you'd get 0x0D 0x0A 0x0A instead of 0x0D 0x0A as the line endings if i'm not mistaken
[14:04:28] <wjp|work> that sounds like it makes sense
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[14:05:48] <Dominus> make didn't like extra lines in the makefile...
[14:06:11] <Nadir> have you guys tried tortoisecvs ? it's very good
[14:06:19] <wjp|work> yeah, that probably breaks the "\" at the end of lines
[14:06:25] <wjp|work> Nadir: hm, no
[14:08:15] <Dominus> wjp|work: you have to tell Micheal to take care comitting files... And with more people joining the team it might get really messy...
[14:08:33] <wjp|work> I'll email him about it
[14:08:42] <Dominus> Nadir: me neither. I might try it out (if there is a win32 port)
[14:08:50] <wjp|work> some of the files are ok (Makefile.am, configure.in, etc..), but all of the source files are broken
[14:09:25] <Dominus> wjp|work: thanks. I'm really going to have to join the mailing list I guess
[14:10:04] <Nadir> Dominus: it is only for win32
[14:10:08] <wjp|work> the mailing list just got started yesterday, btw
[14:10:25] <Nadir> http://tortoisecvs.sourceforge.net/
[14:10:52] <Dominus> Nadir: thanks I'll give it a try once I'm safely back at my place (Friday)
[14:11:20] <Nadir> it makes CVS so much easier than that clunky WinCVS interface
[14:11:34] <Nadir> I use the commandline anyway
[14:11:44] <Colourless> what, you hate the wincvs command line exe? :-)
[14:12:09] <Dominus> Nadir: why are you messing with Win32 tools? I thought you were unix/linux/whatever...
[14:12:43] <Dominus> (not that I mind)
[14:13:27] <Dominus> hmm, looks interesting
[14:14:01] <Nadir> I am, but my colleagues use Win32, and when I help them out I tell them to install tortoisecvs.
[14:14:12] <Dominus> k
[14:14:56] <Nadir> I managed to convince everyone to switch away from SourceSafe
[14:15:08] <Dominus> he he
[14:15:20] <Nadir> Microsoft doesn't use SS either
[14:15:38] <Nadir> I'm waiting for subversion to become viable
[14:15:57] <wjp|work> subversion wass in 1.0-feature-freeze, wasn't it?
[14:15:59] <wjp|work> s/wass/was/
[14:16:13] <Nadir> yep
[14:16:42] <wjp|work> I wonder if SF has any plans to offer alternatives to CVS in the future
[14:18:25] <Nadir> don't know about feature freeze. svn is in alpha now
[14:18:43] <wjp|work> hm, maybe I'm confusing it with something else
[14:19:02] <Nadir> those guys at tigris are quite cool. http://scarab.tigris.org
[14:19:17] <wjp|work> ah, there's 'major-feature' freeze
[14:19:25] <wjp|work> s/'s/'s a/
[14:19:31] <Nadir> http://argouml.tigris.org/
[14:20:57] <wjp|work> heh, didn't know argouml was open source
[14:25:03] <Nadir> bsd license
[14:35:12] <Dominus> got to go
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[14:56:09] * wjp|work is going home; bbl
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[15:18:33] <Nadir> where's wjp...
[15:23:17] <Colourless> he left
[15:23:28] <Nadir> damn, I'm trying to compile uwadv...
[15:23:41] <Nadir> talk about a broken build system
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[15:26:49] <wjp> hi again
[15:32:00] <Colourless> *cough* Nadir, wjp is here :-)
[15:33:49] <Nadir> wjp: I can't build uwadv
[15:34:24] <Nadir> it creates empty libzziplib.a and liblua.a
[15:37:33] <wjp> hm, are you using automake >= 1.5?
[15:37:53] <Nadir> yes
[15:38:05] <Nadir> no
[15:38:06] <wjp> and are you using CVS or the released source zip?
[15:38:07] <Nadir> sorry
[15:38:11] <Nadir> cvs
[15:38:15] <Nadir> automake 1.4-p5
[15:38:31] <wjp> that's probably the problem
[15:38:46] <wjp> uwadv puts everything in one Makefile.am
[15:38:54] <Nadir> can I use automake 1.6 ?
[15:38:58] <wjp> yeah
[15:39:25] <Nadir> automake1.6_1.6.2-1_all.deb
[15:39:26] <Nadir> :)
[15:41:10] <wjp> hm, isn't 1.6.3 already out? :-)
[15:41:29] <wjp> automake-1.6.3-1.noarch.rpm ;-P
[15:42:40] <Nadir> I'm getting tons of /usr/share/automake-1.6/am/depend2.am: AMDEP does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[15:50:49] <wjp> did you run autogen.sh again?
[15:51:29] <wjp> or did you get those while running autogen?
[15:52:41] <wjp> I've seen these errors before, but I can't remember what caused them
[15:56:11] <Nadir> yes
[15:57:08] <wjp> try running exult's autogen.sh there
[15:57:32] <wjp> the uwadv one doesn't clean up the old things first
[15:57:42] <wjp> so maybe an old aclocal.m4 or something is breaking things
[16:02:57] <Nadir> hmm, it was using aclocal 1.4 instead of 1.6
[16:03:12] <wjp> ah, I see
[16:04:39] <Nadir> autoheader 2.13 or 2.50 ?
[16:04:54] <wjp> hm, autoheader should be part of autoconf
[16:05:15] <wjp> and IIRC you need to have autoconf >= 2.53 for automake 1.6?
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[16:05:24] <Nadir> I have autoconf 2.53
[16:06:15] <Nadir> oh dear, they use the ghastly fmod
[16:06:31] <wjp> hm, don't have that installed
[16:06:52] <Nadir> configure says it won't play midis without fmod
[16:06:58] <wjp> yeah
[16:07:06] <Nadir> why not SDL_mixer ?
[16:07:21] <wjp> dunno; you'll have to ask vividos
[16:08:16] <Nadir> and it's not Free
[16:08:26] <Nadir> http://www.fmod.org/ifmodlicense.html
[16:09:32] <Colourless> it's not free for comercial use
[16:10:15] <Colourless> s/comercial/commercial/
[16:11:10] <Nadir> hmm, uwadv spits out the following
[16:11:13] <Nadir> initializing game
[16:11:13] <Nadir> uw1-path: /home/tst/games/uw1/
[16:11:13] <Nadir> uadata-path: ../uadata/
[16:11:13] <Nadir> game detected: none
[16:11:56] <wjp> you may need to convert files to lowercase
[16:12:09] <Nadir> no, it wanted uw.exe
[16:12:10] <wjp> (there's a perl script in cvs somewhere to do that, I think)
[16:12:19] <wjp> oh, that's kind of pointless, isn't it?
[16:12:33] <wjp> hm, or does it get data from the .exe?
[16:13:14] <Colourless> tsshp doesn't need the uw.exe, but some things 'might' be in the exe, and tsshp is mostly focusing on sshock
[16:13:55] <Nadir> it works !
[16:14:12] <Nadir> (I just did a touch uw.exe)
[16:14:20] <Nadir> It uses it to determine game type
[16:14:20] <wjp> :-)
[16:14:26] <Nadir> although it's a bit silly
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[16:15:02] <Nadir> Darke|afk: kernel is spelt with two "e"s
[16:15:17] * Nadir was checking the #exult logs earlier
[16:15:45] * Nadir believes that this was just Darke autojoining
[16:16:00] * Nadir believes he's talking to nobody
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[16:16:41] * Nadir should stick his pointless speling mistakes at /dev/null
[16:17:57] <Nadir> I'm off now
[16:17:59] <Nadir> bye
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[16:36:37] <Colourless> time for me to go
[16:36:41] <Colourless> cya
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[18:47:20] <wjp> oooooh my... this will be one interesting commit sometime... _all_ text files in uwadv have to be converted from dos -> unix endlines
[19:37:51] <matto|wookin> I have to think that someone has writen a little convertor program that does that automatically
[19:38:16] <wjp> 'dos2unix' ?
[19:38:37] <wjp> the actual converting isn't the problem; the resulting commit messages, OTOH.. :-)
[19:38:56] <wjp> especially since uwadv has the full diffs in the commit emails :-)
[19:51:33] <matto|wookin> oh
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[20:21:41] <artaxerxes> hi
[20:22:14] <artaxerxes> I'm so happy! I've created my own binary patching tool for SI-french! md5sum matches!
[20:22:36] <artaxerxes> much faster than ips
[20:22:48] <artaxerxes> I'll need someone to compile it for windows though! :(
[20:24:51] <wjp> hi
[20:24:57] <wjp> nice :-)
[20:25:39] <artaxerxes> the cool thing is that I can distribute the code and the patch, but if you don't have an original usecode file, you won't be able to extract it from the patch, contrary to ips
[20:25:59] <artaxerxes> let me rephrase maybe! :)
[20:26:11] <wjp> yeah, ips didn't check anything, did it?
[20:26:24] <artaxerxes> with ips, you could extract the translated usecode right from it.
[20:26:42] <wjp> oh, that's what you meant :-)
[20:26:55] <artaxerxes> it is more a tool to patch an occasional byte
[20:27:07] <wjp> does the patcher also check if the file you're trying to patch is correct?
[20:27:14] <artaxerxes> crc32
[20:27:20] <artaxerxes> from exult! :)
[20:27:33] <artaxerxes> I had to rewrite it in C though...
[20:28:23] <artaxerxes> some weird problem when linking an object that was C source and an object that was C++ source
[20:29:03] <wjp> you have to put an "extern "C" {" around the C++, then
[20:29:21] <artaxerxes> bah... it's ok now.
[20:29:30] <wjp> oh, btw, that crc function isn't _the_ crc32, I think
[20:29:38] <wjp> but it does the job, AFAIK :-)
[20:29:49] <artaxerxes> are you interested in knowing how I created that patching tool?
[20:29:55] <wjp> sure :-)
[20:31:02] <artaxerxes> since both files are roughly the same size, I do a simple equation: orignal_usecode - translated_usecode = patch (byte for byte). I pad the extras with 0s. To apply, just do the same thing backwards
[20:31:33] <artaxerxes> original_usecode - patch = translated_usecode (byte for byte)
[20:31:35] <wjp> hm, I see
[20:31:54] <wjp> (if you use a xor both will be the same, btw)
[20:31:55] <artaxerxes> you can't guess the orginal just with the patch!
[20:32:14] <artaxerxes> which is the point
[20:32:36] <artaxerxes> and you can't create the translated_usecode without the original and the patch, which is the second point
[20:32:58] <artaxerxes> both what will be the same ?
[20:33:07] <wjp> creating the patch and applying it
[20:33:18] <artaxerxes> that's actually what's happening! :)
[20:33:28] <artaxerxes> go figure why! :)
[20:33:43] <wjp> oh, wait, didn't read that correctly
[20:33:52] <wjp> :-)
[20:35:13] <artaxerxes> right now, all that's left to do is putting the command line parameters analysers... I hate doing that but well, I have to do it.
[20:39:57] <artaxerxes> wjp: who could I ask to create a windows version of that patcher? Kirben?
[20:43:08] <wjp> Kirben, Colourless, Dominus?
[20:44:00] <artaxerxes> they all have windows compilers?
[20:44:34] <wjp> yeah
[20:47:42] <matto|wookin> Kirben maintains nightly snapshots
[20:49:41] <artaxerxes> I knew for Kirben for that reason and I guessed for Colourless since he develops but Dominus told me he does no development at all.
[20:50:19] <artaxerxes> anyways, I'm happy with the source... I'll contact one of them to see if I can get some help.
[20:54:32] <artaxerxes> gotta go! see you later folks!
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[22:27:04] <Dominus> hi again
[22:27:24] <Dominus> wjp: that whole def in the cvs-l of uwadv seems quite annoying...
[22:27:43] <wjp> hi Dominus
[22:27:50] <wjp> s/def/diff/
[22:27:51] <wjp> ?
[22:27:55] <Dominus> yep
[22:27:58] <Dominus> he he
[22:28:09] <wjp> scummvm does it too, btw
[22:28:18] <wjp> it has its pros and cons
[22:28:29] <Dominus> yes, I believe so
[22:28:37] <wjp> although, if I want to fix those line endings, they're definitely not good :-)
[22:28:55] <wjp> it'll basically email everybody on the list the entire project, _twice_ :-)
[22:28:59] <Dominus> but with some substantial changes to cvs like that lineebdings it is quite annoying
[22:29:28] * Dominus has problems with writing...
[22:29:54] <wjp> :-)
[22:30:08] <Dominus> imagine someone actually updating the Copyrights notice in our cvs with the ml set up like this...
[22:30:22] <wjp> well, that will only be a couple of lines per file
[22:30:32] <Dominus> hm, true
[22:30:37] <wjp> and they're already slowly being converted to 2002
[22:30:47] <wjp> I suspect it should be done by about next january ;-)
[22:30:56] <Dominus> I was about to say that
[22:31:43] * wjp looks at latest forum post
[22:31:43] <Dominus> damn, I have to pack my stuff for my journey home
[22:31:50] <wjp> yes, you really have some problems with writing ;-)
[22:31:58] <wjp> when are you going home?
[22:32:35] <wjp> ah well, not so bad, only three typos AFAICT
[22:32:35] <Dominus> home|=home ...
[22:32:46] <Dominus> argh
[22:32:48] <Dominus> I see
[22:32:56] <wjp> home |= home ... ?
[22:33:06] <wjp> you want to or home with itself? ;-)
[22:33:36] <Dominus> I was at home(at my mom's place) since saturday and I'm returning home to vienna tomorrow morning
[22:33:53] <wjp> ("home |= home" is the same as "home = home | home", with | the 'binary or' operator, in case you're wondering)
[22:33:56] <Dominus> via ICE and visiting my sister on the way
[22:34:01] * wjp nods
[22:34:12] <wjp> that's what I guessed :-)
[22:34:21] <wjp> the aol thing sounded familiar from last time :-)
[22:34:31] <Dominus> yeah :-)
[22:35:06] <wjp> brb
[22:35:07] <Dominus> and then I have my other ip that you can see in some of the "Dominus(who forgot his password)" posts
[22:35:14] <wjp> :-)
[22:38:38] <wjp> b
[22:38:47] <Dominus> that's because if I use the pc of my mom I am automatically logged in because I did that back when I still remembered my password
[22:38:49] <wjp> why don't you just reset your pw using the admin, btw?
[22:39:14] <Dominus> because I had so many problems before with that
[22:39:27] <wjp> it should work now, actually
[22:39:30] <Dominus> and then I'm only posting with that name when I use the laptop...
[22:39:42] <wjp> I finally figured out what caused those weird problems :-)
[22:39:47] <Dominus> back at home I'm fine again...
[22:40:14] <Dominus> well, if phorum would take all your coding it would truly rock
[22:40:19] <wjp> sourceforge.net itself sets a 'username' cookie, and that interferes with the login script from phorum
[22:40:33] <Dominus> ah
[22:40:43] <wjp> (phorum relies on register-globals.. stupid)
[22:41:10] <wjp> you can't differentiate between data coming in through cookies, forms or urls that way
[22:41:20] <wjp> which is why it grabs the username from the cookie instead of the form
[22:42:24] <Dominus> well, apart from phorum ignoring your patches is there some way so other phrum user admins can find your patches and integrate it with their phorum?
[22:42:40] <wjp> well, our phorum code is in CVS
[22:42:53] <Dominus> true enough
[22:42:55] <wjp> but I only implemented these extra features for the settings of our forum
[22:43:06] <wjp> (the "float to top" style)
[22:43:20] <wjp> not a clue what the "single-level" and "multi-level" styles are
[22:43:37] * Dominus shrugs
[22:44:26] <Dominus> so, are you going to make the big cvs comitt or will you wait until vividos is back (on sunday)?
[22:44:59] <wjp> I'll wait; I want to know what caused this first
[22:45:48] <Dominus> I'm pretty sure it was something like colourless suggested (cygwin, msys)
[22:45:55] <wjp> yeah, most likely
[22:46:49] <Dominus> glad to see you working on uwadv
[22:47:20] <wjp> just keeping the linux version up-to-date a bit :-)
[22:47:56] <Dominus> at least this project is soming along not like the "eternaly-in-planing-state-pentagram"
[22:48:05] <Dominus> soming=coming
[22:48:09] <Dominus> :-)
[22:48:11] <wjp> heh :-)
[22:48:16] <wjp> planing = planning ;-)
[22:48:23] <Dominus> argh
[22:48:35] <wjp> want some coffee? :-)
[22:48:52] <wjp> I really couldn't type this morning
[22:48:53] <Dominus> no thanks, some tea would be fine
[22:49:09] * wjp was running from 8-9am
[22:49:16] <wjp> kind of exhausted after that :-)
[22:49:20] <Dominus> he he
[22:49:39] <wjp> and then I had to do some programming on a project from 10-13, work from 13-17... *sigh* :-)
[22:49:56] <Dominus> sounds busy
[22:50:35] <Dominus> I had to turn in the car of my sister to a garage because the "braking-fluid" was leaking due to some cylinder problem
[22:50:57] <Dominus> I'm glad I made it home the night before
[22:51:06] <wjp> hm, that doesn't sound like something you want leaking
[22:51:11] <Dominus> nope
[22:51:50] <Dominus> was really dripping fast when they had the car on the 8whatver that is called to look beneath a car while standing up)
[22:51:59] <Dominus> 8=(
[22:52:21] <Dominus> and guess the other spelling mistakes yourself :-)
[22:52:44] * wjp wonders what that thing is called
[22:53:39] <Dominus> "Hebebuehne" in German ("lifting-stage" literaly translated)
[22:54:43] * wjp doesn't even know the dutch word for it :-(
[22:54:47] <Dominus> what's it called in Dutch?
[22:54:51] <Dominus> :-)
[22:54:54] <wjp> not a clue :-)
[22:55:25] <wjp> 'hefplatform' if you translate that semi-literally into dutch
[22:55:50] <Dominus> that doesn't sound to bad
[22:56:08] <wjp> you can probably guess what 'platform' means :-)
[22:56:13] * Dominus is again amazed at the similarities of Dutch and German
[22:56:25] <wjp> and 'heffen' = 'heben'
[22:57:04] <Dominus> at home in Vienna I have my dictionary right next to me...
[22:58:09] <wjp> 'lifting ramp' according to this online one
[22:59:02] <Dominus> wow, another important riddle solved
[22:59:12] <wjp> hehe :-)
[22:59:41] <Dominus> ok, I really have to be going now
[22:59:45] <wjp> k, g'night
[22:59:54] <Dominus> see you on Friday morning, I guess
[22:59:57] <Dominus> bye
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[23:35:14] <wjp> time to go; bye
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