#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 31 May 2002 (GMT)

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[00:09:55] * wjp should really go to bed
[00:09:57] <wjp> g'night
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[01:03:29] <EazyCheez> hey guyz
[01:05:07] <Darke> Hi.
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[11:18:26] <Fingolfin> yo
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[12:06:29] <Colourless> hi
[12:14:44] <Fingolfin> hi Ryan
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[17:35:18] <Colourless> if my calculations are correct, the rabbits should be surfacing soon
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[18:02:11] <Fingolfin> Colourless: rabbits?
[18:02:24] <Colourless> rabbit
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[18:06:59] <Flikm> i hope you know that #exult is logged and i found out what some people said about me
[18:07:10] <Flikm> :D
[18:07:46] <Flikm> but Mr. Fingolfin was being very nice
[18:07:58] <Fingolfin> I was?
[18:08:28] * Fingolfin has the distinct feeling he is missing something :-)
[18:08:33] <Flikm> [22:52:33] <Fingolfin> I will not be so quick in such harsh measures
[18:08:35] <Flikm> [22:53:00] <Fingolfin> a) there may in fact be some intelligent AOL users and b) maybe we can teach them a bit... like how to be not rude
[18:08:55] <Fingolfin> I said that? wow. how many months was that ago?
[18:09:53] <Flikm> this was a LONG time ago
[18:09:53] <Flikm> but Mr. kefka wasnt as kind
[18:09:59] <Flikm> [22:48:31] <-- Flikm has left #exult
[18:09:59] <Flikm> [22:49:07] <Kefka> Thank God..
[18:09:59] <Flikm> [22:50:37] * Kefka sets mode +b *!*@*.ipt.aol.com
[18:10:15] <Flikm> Sep 4
[18:10:28] <Fingolfin> Colourless: you mean rabbits, like in "cute little four legged mammal that delievers easter eggs" ?
[18:10:37] <Fingolfin> ah :-)
[18:10:46] <Fingolfin> explains why I can't remember it <g>
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[18:14:13] <Flikm> dont worry, im not that bad anymore
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[18:26:13] <matto> anyone know how long cd-roms are supposed to last? (after you burn them)
[18:26:43] <Colourless> depends on the disk
[18:26:50] <Colourless> they don't last forever though
[18:27:22] <matto> what's the worst case scenario? hehe
[18:27:40] <Colourless> i've no idea. i don't know how long they will last
[18:50:39] <Fingolfin> mine usually don't last more than a few minutes once I started to use them as frisbee
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[19:11:22] * Darke paws Colourless a congratulatory cookie. "Not too bad. You were only off by about 90 minutes. *grin*"
[19:11:48] <Colourless> obviously my calculations were not too correct :-)
[19:13:33] <Darke> Well it's not too bad. Given that Fingolfin took 30 minutes to go 'huh?', and often we've got response times measured in time increments of hours long. *grin*
[19:17:26] <matto> :)
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[19:40:26] <Dominus> hi
[19:40:40] <Darke> Hi.
[19:42:35] <matto> Ominous Dominus! :)
[19:43:36] <Dominus> earlier today I tried to explain to a "direct Connect" guy the concept of usenet
[19:43:43] <Dominus> that was fun
[19:44:22] <Dominus> "so it is not some kind of peer2peer? more like Kaazaa?" me:"Nooooooooo!!!"
[19:45:08] * Darke thinks Dominus is a masochist if that's _his_ definition of fun... *grin*
[19:45:21] <Dominus> I then found he shared all of his hard drive, including the windows and program files dirs
[19:45:25] <Colourless> i have a question: why do it?
[19:46:15] <Dominus> He was quite astonished when I told him how easy it would have been to download his trillian connect files and connect to AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN under his name :-)
[19:46:32] <Dominus> Colourless: a one shot, I learned my lesson
[19:47:47] * Darke snickers.
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[19:57:59] <Dominus> I'll be back soon (booting to ME to see if ES works okay ther).
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[20:04:49] <wjp> i
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[20:04:52] <wjp> hi, even
[20:05:02] <Dominus> so, it seems we have a little problem with Win9x and ES
[20:05:09] <Dominus> hi wjp
[20:05:19] <Colourless> hi
[20:05:32] <Dominus> I am now in ME and there is really nothing shown in eS
[20:05:34] <Darke> Hi.
[20:05:41] <Dominus> no faces, no fonts, no shapes
[20:07:03] <Colourless> not shapes at all?
[20:07:14] <Colourless> do the files show up?
[20:07:25] <Dominus> no they don't
[20:07:48] <Dominus> only combos or when I have a patched vga file in the patch dir
[20:08:21] <Dominus> do you still have the links to your debug versions of exult and es?
[20:09:30] <Dominus> and in ES (and all windows on top of it the mouse pointer flickers)
[20:09:54] <Dominus> the ) should have been after "top of it :-)
[20:10:00] <Colourless> i don't think they are matched any more. i'm pretty sure the exult.exe is newer
[20:12:22] <Dominus> actually the mouse flickers in all windows above the exult windows
[20:14:31] <Colourless> well, you can grab my old exult studio build (and libs) if you want. they are still on my webspace
[20:15:09] <Dominus> he he, if I make a shapes.vga out of the script in /content/data in cVS and copy that into the patch dir the whole shapes.vga is shown
[20:15:47] <Dominus> even though the one in /patch has only the shape 153
[20:16:47] <Dominus> cany ou give me the link
[20:16:48] <Dominus> ?
[20:18:49] <Colourless> http://ww.users.on.net/triforce/exult_studio.zip
[20:19:07] <Colourless> and http://www.users.on.net/triforce/studio_libs.zip
[20:19:35] * Dominus points at missing w :-)
[20:19:41] <Colourless> from the sounds of things, it's something that jeff did recently
[20:19:56] <Colourless> you think i care about that? you should be smart enough to fix the problem ;-)
[20:20:36] <Dominus> :-)
[20:20:39] <Dominus> indeed
[20:21:33] <Dominus> well exult doesn't seem to be the problem as it shows up even if you start ES alone
[20:22:37] <Dominus> it must have been between the date you build that debug built and recently
[20:22:44] <Dominus> the files show up okay with it
[20:22:59] <Dominus> although it crashes instantly when you click one :-)
[20:24:48] <Dominus> probably due to glade file being to new and having not supported stuff in it
[20:25:37] <Dominus> also I remember that the debug build poped up the console with the error messages but it doesn't do so on ME
[20:25:43] <Colourless> can't we just not support exult studio on windows again *smile*
[20:25:59] <Dominus> at least only support it on XP
[20:26:03] <Dominus> :-)
[20:26:16] <Colourless> :-)
[20:27:05] <Dominus> hm, do you want me to do anything more with it in ME? otherwise I'd boot back to XP
[20:28:09] <Dominus> well. atm, we really only support XP as on ME we don't show files and on 2k the connection between the two apps is bbroken :-)
[20:28:57] <Colourless> and i can't figure out what that connection problem is yet
[20:29:52] <Colourless> who knows, it might work on NT4 :-)
[20:30:10] <Dominus> hell yeah
[20:30:20] <Dominus> it probably worked from the start in NT :-)
[20:30:51] <Dominus> anything else for me to do in ME?
[20:31:57] <Dominus> I guess not :-)
[20:32:06] <Dominus> brb
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[20:35:24] <Dominus> b
[20:35:57] <Colourless> you are?
[20:36:53] <Dominus> I think so :-)
[20:37:31] <Colourless> the gtk file chooser dialog is shocking. doesn't support drives
[20:38:06] <Colourless> or at least the choose in exult studio
[20:38:59] <Dominus> Gimp allows it
[20:39:36] <Dominus> and the dialog to export/import files works in ES as well
[20:40:04] <Colourless> hmm, the exult studio that i've got compiled here on my hd works with win98. no idea when it's from thouhg
[20:40:25] <Dominus> looking at the file date should help :-)
[20:40:58] <kefka> holy moly
[20:41:05] <Colourless> may 2nd
[20:41:08] <kefka> that was a LONG time ago..
[20:41:14] <Colourless> no
[20:41:16] <Colourless> may 15th
[20:41:19] <Dominus> the debug build was from may 15
[20:41:23] * Colourless should stop looking at 'year'
[20:41:32] <Colourless> 3:46 am
[20:41:37] <kefka> said that? wow. how many months was that ago?
[20:41:37] <kefka> <Flikm> this was a LONG time ago
[20:41:37] <kefka> <Flikm> but Mr. kefka wasnt as kind
[20:41:39] <Dominus> hi kefka, long time ago that you spoke :-)
[20:41:50] <Dominus> ah :-)
[20:41:55] <kefka> heh
[20:41:58] <kefka> Hey there
[20:42:21] <kefka> Mr. kefka.. kinda has a nice ring to it..
[20:42:38] <Colourless> lets see what happens if i try a slightly more modern build of es
[20:42:59] <Dominus> like today's snapshot?
[20:43:58] <Colourless> it's... um... broken :-)
[20:44:20] <Dominus> I think ... um... so :-)
[20:45:20] <Colourless> but it work here in winxp (using the dirs)
[20:45:43] <Colourless> (using the same dirs)
[20:45:58] <Dominus> that's the same for me
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[20:46:30] <Colourless> sigh, what stupid 'undefined' behaviour in the win32 api are we finding this time
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[20:48:46] <Colourless> i'll look at the problem later
[20:49:49] <Colourless> too tired to think about bug fixing right now
[20:50:13] <Dominus> I don't mind, after all I'm not using Win9x :-)
[20:50:38] * Darke didn't know there was any defined behavious in the win32 api. It just seems to work by magic and duct tape.
[20:51:06] <Colourless> basically if it's not in the sdk docs, don't assume something works as expected :-)
[20:51:15] <Colourless> we found this put with GetShortPath()
[20:51:25] <Colourless> s/put/out/
[20:51:35] <Darke> Yeah, and I'm guessing there's quite a bit not in the sdk docs. *grin*
[20:52:08] <Colourless> in WinNT kernels you can pass wildcards and wildcards are returned. you try that in win9x and it resolves the wildcards to the first file it finds
[20:55:25] <Colourless> since I use WinXP, (and i didn't see any remarks about wildcards in the sdk docs) i though passing wildcards was ok, not knowing that it would be causing problems for Win9x users.
[20:55:51] <Colourless> oh well, i know better now :-)
[20:56:11] <Dominus> he he
[20:57:50] <Colourless> on that note, i think i'll be off now
[20:58:14] <Dominus> cu
[20:58:14] <Darke> Bye.
[20:58:22] <Colourless> cya
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[22:01:28] <Dominus> got to go
[22:01:31] <Dominus> bye
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[22:18:00] <wjp> bye
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