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[13:34:10] <Colourless> hi
[13:34:34] <Colourless> hi
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[22:00:15] <nadir> hey
[22:00:23] <wjp> hi
[22:00:24] <nadir> anyone about?
[22:00:28] <nadir> lo
[22:00:36] <nadir> I installed exult there
[22:00:41] <nadir> kicks ass
[22:00:45] <nadir> :)
[22:00:54] <nadir> but i cant get the digital music to work
[22:01:35] <nadir> i downloaded the files and did as the readme said
[22:01:41] <nadir> but still no joy
[22:02:14] <nadir> but very nice work indeeed
[22:02:16] <nadir> :)
[22:02:58] <wjp> which version of exult?
[22:03:28] <nadir> the 1.1 beta
[22:03:55] <wjp> what exactly did the readme say?
[22:04:12] <nadir> to unzip the files into a dir called data/music
[22:04:19] <nadir> in the exult dir
[22:04:39] <nadir> andand then to swith to digital in the game muenu
[22:04:44] <nadir> and then restart the game
[22:04:49] <nadir> but i get no audio
[22:05:00] <nadir> its not really a problem cause the midi works,
[22:05:28] <nadir> but i was thinking it might be cool the get the roland efects since the roland was the best card around when U7 was released
[22:06:25] <wjp> so you put the oggs in a 'music' subdirectory of the data subdirectory; and that data subdirectory contained files like exult.flx?
[22:06:40] <nadir> no
[22:06:49] <nadir> it was a new dir called music that i made
[22:07:06] <nadir> the .flx files are in the data dir
[22:07:48] <nadir> so .flx files are in /exult-1.whatever-beta/data
[22:08:00] <nadir> and the .ogg files are in /exult-1.whatever-beta/data/music
[22:08:09] <wjp> ok
[22:08:35] <wjp> did you compile exult yourself?
[22:08:51] <nadir> yup
[22:09:18] <wjp> do you have an sdl_mixer with ogg support?
[22:09:35] <nadir> im using gentoo, so i tried the ebuild first , but that was only version 1.0 and the midi music was seriously choppy. so i decided to compile the latest version instead myself
[22:09:42] <nadir> wjp: im using alsa
[22:09:47] <nadir> on a c-media card
[22:10:01] <wjp> yes, and?
[22:10:02] <nadir> i see somewhere that c-media cards might cause trouble with exult engine
[22:10:18] <wjp> do you have an sdl_mixer with ogg support?
[22:10:24] <nadir> yes
[22:10:47] <wjp> hm, then things should work
[22:11:37] <wjp> any music-related warnings/errors on the terminal?
[22:12:10] <nadir> erm
[22:12:16] <nadir> yea mabe im getting this
[22:12:17] <nadir> Music path = /usr/local/share/exult/music
[22:12:27] <wjp> ah
[22:12:28] <nadir> so maybe my ogg files should be in /usr/local/share/exult/music
[22:12:48] <wjp> probably a leftover config file from 1.0
[22:12:58] <wjp> you should go over ~/.exult.cfg to check the data_path
[22:13:01] <nadir> yea, sounds about right
[22:13:30] <nadir> wjp: thats the wierd thing, ive gone over the config file several times now, and it all seems fine
[22:13:41] <nadir> looks like its taking the info from somewhere else
[22:14:12] <wjp> does it have a config/disk/data_path node?
[22:14:33] <nadir> dunnop
[22:15:08] <nadir> cant see any config dir off the exult root dir
[22:15:24] <wjp> I meant in ~/.exult.cfg
[22:15:35] <nadir> oh sry
[22:16:17] <nadir> no there isnt one
[22:16:35] <wjp> ok, then it indeed defaults to /usr/local/share/exult
[22:17:13] <wjp> did it properly install exult.flx and the other .flx files to /usr/local/share/exult?
[22:17:23] <wjp> if so, you can just copy the music directory to /usr/local/share/exult/music
[22:17:48] <nadir> ok
[22:18:27] <nadir> the flx files are in /usr/share/games/exult-1.1beta3/data
[22:18:44] <nadir> i havnt told u everything so here
[22:19:07] <wjp> then you can set data_path to that directory in the config file
[22:19:42] <nadir> midi works, like i donwloaded the file sqsfxsi.flx and put it into /usr/share/games/exult-1.1beta3/data , and it picked it up fine and i get those effects when i play the serpent isle
[22:20:18] <nadir> wjp: ok i see what ur getting at
[22:20:39] <wjp> hm, wait a moment
[22:21:01] <wjp> this is peculiar
[22:21:08] <wjp> exult doesn't behave the way I thought it did
[22:21:43] <wjp> it makes music_path default to the _hardcoded_ data path + "/music", instead of to the _current_ data path + "/music"
[22:21:45] <nadir> ill set that data parameter like u say
[22:22:00] <nadir> looks that way
[22:22:07] <wjp> so you should set 'music_path' manually
[22:22:27] <nadir> which is wierd cause i didnt install either exult 1.0 or exult beta to /usr/local/anything
[22:23:31] <nadir> so where should i put Music path = /usr/local/share/exult/music ?
[22:23:37] <nadir> and is that the right syntax?
[22:23:52] <nadir> or more specificall, where in the config file?
[22:23:54] <wjp> well, if the flex files are in /usr/share/games/exult-1.1beta3/data, you should probably put the music in /usr/share/games/exult-1.1beta3/data/music
[22:24:16] <wjp> but where exactly to put them is your choice, of course :-)
[22:24:53] <nadir> yup , im just wondering about how to set the paths in the .exult.cfg
[22:25:02] <wjp> are you familiar with the xml-like format .exult.cfg uses?
[22:25:15] <nadir> no really
[22:25:18] <nadir> :(
[22:25:39] <nadir> im trying to learn c++ properly at the moment and move away from web type stuff :)
[22:26:00] <wjp> take a look at http://exult.sourceforge.net/docs.php#exult_config
[22:26:07] <nadir> yea cool
[22:26:35] <wjp> strangely that doesn't have the music_path node
[22:26:37] <wjp> but anyway :-)
[22:26:52] <wjp> your .exult.cfg should start with <config> <disk>
[22:27:08] <wjp> just put the following three lines right below the <disk> line:
[22:27:11] <wjp> <music_path>
[22:27:17] <wjp> /usr/share/games/exult-1.1beta3/data/music
[22:27:23] <wjp> </music_path>
[22:28:08] <nadir> ahh i see
[22:28:17] <nadir> yea i was wondering cause i couldnt see it in the docs
[22:28:29] <nadir> should i set a data path too?
[22:28:40] <nadir> i guess so
[22:28:43] <nadir> is that <gamedat_path>
[22:28:46] <nadir> ?
[22:28:48] <wjp> no
[22:29:05] <wjp> data_path
[22:29:11] <nadir> ok cool
[22:29:18] <wjp> it should point to wherever the .flx files are
[22:29:25] <nadir> sorry for asking such remedial questions
[22:29:27] <nadir> :)
[22:29:45] <wjp> heh, don't worry about it :-)
[22:29:52] * wjp adds music_path to the docs, in the meantime
[22:31:28] <nadir> ahh cool
[22:31:33] <nadir> ok now i have music
[22:31:37] <nadir> nice
[22:33:05] <nadir> yes, ita ll works
[22:33:20] * EsBee-Eks looks at nadir.
[22:33:29] <EsBee-Eks> are you THE nadir?
[22:33:30] <nadir> before now i could only run the executable from the exult-1.1beta3 dir
[22:33:34] <nadir> no
[22:33:36] <nadir> heh
[22:33:40] <wjp> ah.. that explains
[22:33:46] <nadir> not THE nadir to you
[22:33:53] <EsBee-Eks> hmm yes i figured
[22:33:54] <nadir> altho ive had this name for along time :)
[22:34:18] <nadir> THE "nadir" would know the answers to these questions
[22:34:18] <EsBee-Eks> is it backwards for ridan?
[22:34:19] <wjp> it automatically tries a directory named "data" behind the current directory to find the .flx files
[22:34:32] <wjp> nadir is an astronomical term, isn't it?
[22:34:35] <nadir> EsBee-Eks: it is
[22:34:45] * EsBee-Eks nods.
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[22:34:45] <nadir> wjp: yea it has quite a history
[22:35:00] <nadir> well ko as im sure u know its a character somewhere in ultima7
[22:35:14] <nadir> altho i cant remember exactly where noe
[22:35:16] <SB-X> ah cool
[22:35:17] <wjp> it is?
[22:35:20] <nadir> yea
[22:35:41] <nadir> but only has a small part, i think the name comes from the legends of ultim thule
[22:35:41] <wjp> BG or SI?
[22:35:48] <nadir> BG afaik
[22:36:15] <nadir> but erm, yes wjp its an astronomical name of sorts
[22:36:43] <nadir> my friend in college, a massive linux head is called zenith, that was the main inspiration for my name
[22:37:05] <nadir> cause if u look at the zenith, the nadir, is directly behind you
[22:37:14] <nadir> altho u can never see it
[22:37:15] <nadir> :)
[22:37:42] <nadir> do u guys code for exult ?
[22:37:59] <wjp> I do, yes
[22:38:02] <nadir> cool
[22:39:58] * wjp wonders if he should change the default setting of the music path
[22:40:46] <nadir> i dunno, i guess i should really make an ebuild
[22:41:06] <nadir> just that im not really sure how to do it
[22:42:03] <wjp> you can pretty much literally use the 1.0 one
[22:42:18] <nadir> the sound doesnt work on the 1.0
[22:42:29] <wjp> the RDEPENDs need a bit more, though
[22:42:41] <SB-X> is there already an ebuild?
[22:42:44] <nadir> yea
[22:42:44] <SB-X> i thought darke made one
[22:42:52] <wjp> there has been one for 1.0 for ages
[22:43:03] <nadir> for 1.0 but the midi was all choppy for me, and u cant use the ogg's
[22:43:23] <wjp> hm, I see it's been updated a week ago
[22:43:24] <nadir> its a very nice engine
[22:43:32] <wjp> (it = 1.0 ebuild)
[22:43:38] <nadir> im impressed, its cool cause ultima7 is my fav game
[22:44:02] <nadir> i didnt have a fat dartition on my machine so i thought i was screwed
[22:44:08] <nadir> but it seems to work fine
[22:44:12] <nadir> just installed it with wine
[22:44:46] <SB-X> and its better than ultima7
[22:44:53] <wjp> in places :-)
[22:45:08] <nadir> ive never finished the serpent ise tho
[22:45:13] <nadir> isle even
[22:45:37] <wjp> I finished SI for the first time with Exult
[22:45:39] <SB-X> me either
[22:45:43] <SB-X> neither
[22:45:49] <nadir> im going to do it now
[22:45:50] <SB-X> i havn't played through serpent isle
[22:45:55] <nadir> altho im pretty busy
[22:46:03] <SB-X> that's why i havn't
[22:46:04] <nadir> im trying to write a simple opengl game
[22:46:13] <SB-X> for some reason i had time to play an even older game though
[22:46:48] <nadir> it would be cool to make something similar for like eye of the beholder,
[22:47:21] <nadir> i wonder how freedos handels these games
[22:47:54] <SB-X> did you ever read the u7 anti walkthrough?
[22:48:00] <nadir> no, heh
[22:48:21] <nadir> whats it about?
[22:48:29] <SB-X> freedos made me think of it, I think JP Morris mentioned that on his site
[22:48:32] <SB-X> its evil
[22:48:35] <SB-X> in a good way
[22:48:43] <SB-X> and encourages heavy drug usage
[22:48:52] <nadir> :)
[22:49:04] <SB-X> if i had a link
[22:49:06] <wjp> so heavy the negative effects wrap around to positive effects :-)
[22:49:30] <SB-X> they do
[22:49:32] <wjp> shoud be at it-he.org
[22:49:36] <SB-X> yeah
[22:49:36] <wjp> should, even
[22:49:39] <SB-X> but i dont think it works in u7 does it?
[22:49:40] <SB-X> i mean exult
[22:50:03] <wjp> large parts of the anti-walkthough do, but not sure about the venom
[22:50:40] <nadir> rofl
[22:50:42] <nadir> this is cool
[22:51:01] <SB-X> yes http://it-he.org/ultima7.htm ?
[22:51:40] <nadir> yea
[22:51:47] <SB-X> i read the SystemShock page only recently, very funny after you've played it
[22:52:41] <SB-X> "Presumably we are looking at a hacker with 13 foot long, boneless tentacles that snake across the ground but are unable to support their own weight."
[22:53:03] <SB-X> (Mr. Gibbons)
[22:54:00] <nadir> heh
[22:54:13] <nadir> anyways im on crappy dial upa nd i gtg
[22:54:20] <SB-X> me too
[22:54:22] <SB-X> cya
[22:54:24] <wjp> bye
[22:54:25] <nadir> its been fun
[22:54:27] <nadir> wjp: thks for teh help :)
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[22:54:39] <wjp> no problem :-)
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