#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 4 Aug 2001 (GMT)

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[00:12:35] <wjp> time for me to go to bed
[00:12:36] <wjp> bye
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[01:25:23] <Kefka-gone> hmm
[01:25:24] <Kefka-gone> Fix 3c59x module load problem (Hugh Dickins)
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[11:14:59] <Colourless> hi
[11:16:16] <matt0> hey
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[11:36:58] <Blackthorne> hi
[11:37:05] <Colourless> hi
[11:37:36] <Blackthorne> I just wanted to say that the new status bars are a pretty cool feature.
[11:37:45] <Colourless> thanks
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[12:34:35] <wjp> hi
[12:34:40] <Colourless> hi
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[12:47:24] <TonyHoyt> Hello people. What's new?
[12:47:29] <wjp> hi Tony
[12:48:22] <TonyHoyt> How are things going about?
[12:48:32] <Colourless> hi
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[12:56:33] <fingolfin> uo oh
[12:56:38] --- fingolfin is now known as Stranger
[12:56:43] <wjp> hi
[12:56:46] <Stranger> oh hi, are you the famous exult team?
[12:56:53] <Stranger> I am just a stranger passing by
[12:57:08] <Stranger> <cough>
[12:57:10] <Colourless> hi
[12:57:17] <wjp> Exult? what's that?
[12:57:22] <Colourless> strangers aren't welcome here
[12:57:27] <Stranger> erhmmmmm
[12:57:38] --- Stranger is now known as Popstar
[12:57:42] <Popstar> and pop stars?
[12:57:56] <Colourless> popstarts are definitely not welcome :)
[12:58:06] <Popstar> damn! who is welcome here then?
[12:58:08] <Colourless> oh no
[12:58:34] <Colourless> note to popstar: examine my previous comment carefully
[12:58:43] <Popstar> ;)
[12:59:52] <Popstar> so, everything going fine? no troubles with say 104 CVS commit emails or likewise commons development incidents?
[13:00:12] <Popstar> I just ask a random question of course
[13:00:21] <Popstar> no intent behind it
[13:00:23] <Colourless> question: was there a reason why you couldn't commit using OSX?
[13:00:27] <wjp> no... not at all... *picks up trout behind back*
[13:00:49] <Popstar> Colourless: me? what do you mean? I am just a pop star, what is a "commit" ?
[13:01:15] <Colourless> [22:25] *** fingolfin (fingolfin@pD9E1CA55.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #exult
[13:01:16] <Colourless> [22:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o fingolfin
[13:01:16] <Colourless> [22:25] <fingolfin> uo oh
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[13:01:27] <Colourless> unless you stole fingolfin's computer, you are fingolfin
[13:01:33] <Popstar> woa, somebody wants to set me up!
[13:01:36] <wjp> ?seen fingolfin
[13:01:36] <exultbot> fingolfin is known as Stranger since Sat Aug 4 12:56:38 2001 (GMT)
[13:01:39] <wjp> ?seen stranger
[13:01:39] <exultbot> stranger is known as Popstar since Sat Aug 4 12:57:38 2001 (GMT)
[13:01:40] <Popstar> this is the CIA I know!
[13:01:48] <Popstar> erhm
[13:01:52] <Popstar> exultbot is one of them
[13:02:10] <Popstar> I can prove it all, I have 20 ppl who can swear I was in russia at the time of the crime
[13:02:25] <Popstar> (and you canīt prove the money they got is from me, hahaha)
[13:02:46] <Colourless> well, it probably too so long to commit that you managed to get to russia before it finished
[13:02:59] <Colourless> s/too/took
[13:03:01] <Popstar> <g>
[13:03:25] <Popstar> I deny everything as long as my lawyers is not here
[13:03:49] --- wjp is now known as Lawyer
[13:03:57] <Popstar> oh
[13:04:00] <Popstar> erhm
[13:04:17] * Popstar suddenly trips over an internet speed bump and looses his clever disguise
[13:04:20] --- Popstar is now known as Fingolfin
[13:04:30] <Fingolfin> oh, ehm, hi ryan, willem, everybody
[13:04:35] --- Lawyer is now known as wjp
[13:04:37] <wjp> hi Max :-)
[13:04:41] <Fingolfin> nice to see you .. <aheheh>... ahem
[13:04:52] <Colourless> hi, i didn't realize it was you :-)
[13:05:03] <Fingolfin> Colourless: no really? ;))))
[13:05:30] <Fingolfin> Colourless: ym problem is that I have to different local repositories for MacOS X and normal MacOS
[13:05:35] <Fingolfin> s/to/twp
[13:05:42] <Fingolfin> s/twp/two
[13:06:09] <Fingolfin> but next time, if I change legal headers or something like this again, Iīll do it from OS X
[13:06:24] <Fingolfin> the real changes I had to do on MacOS 9 were basically for the Audio code only :/
[13:06:38] <Fingolfin> but the good side is, SFX + Speech now work fine on MacOS 9!
[13:07:09] <Fingolfin> although it seems to me that this ingenious code that is supposed to give a nice stereo impression based on the location of the audio source is flawed
[13:07:19] * Colourless goes to fingolfin's place and destroys his MacOS 9 CVS
[13:07:22] <Fingolfin> at least for me it is still not 100% workin as it should
[13:08:00] <Fingolfin> Colourless: bah, you have suuuch a bad charachter ;)
[13:08:45] <Colourless> it's not everyday you get 100+ emails from the same person on a modem connection
[13:08:49] <wjp> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=447922&group_id=2335&atid=102335
[13:08:49] <Fingolfin> I just had to discover that there is no really good Calculater for OS X... no native one at least, none of the 10 I check at least. most lacked a hex mode, and the few thad had one lacked ops like AND, XOR etc
[13:08:54] <wjp> can you reproduce that one?
[13:09:02] <Fingolfin> Colourless: hm, modem connection, this is bad indeed :/
[13:09:32] <Fingolfin> Colourless: I am sorry for the trouble I caused you, really :/
[13:10:19] <Fingolfin> wjp: I assume you mean ryan as it is win based, but Iīll try it to, after I fixed my SFX setup for OS X
[13:10:47] <wjp> there is a bug there, but not a crash (for me at least)
[13:10:56] <wjp> (which I already fixed)
[13:11:34] <Colourless> wjp: just confirmed that bug
[13:11:41] <wjp> it crashes for you?
[13:11:46] <Colourless> hangs
[13:11:59] <wjp> hmm, for me it just starts a new game (instead of returning to menu)
[13:12:22] <Colourless> did you choose the return to menu option?
[13:12:26] <wjp> yeah
[13:12:41] <wjp> Black Gate -> start new game -> return to menu -> return to menu -> game starts
[13:13:00] <Colourless> Black Gate -> start new game -> return to menu -> return to menu -> Exult Hangs
[13:13:06] <wjp> strange
[13:13:29] <Fingolfin> gamee starts for me, tooo
[13:13:31] <Fingolfin> hm
[13:13:44] <Fingolfin> and I canīt click buttons in the U7 start new game screen :)
[13:13:48] * wjp commits fix for that
[13:13:57] <wjp> yeah, mouse seems to be disabled there
[13:14:02] <Colourless> oopps, starts here as well, I just didn't wait long enough
[13:14:30] <Fingolfin> ookk ;)
[13:14:36] <Colourless> crashed on exit though
[13:14:50] <Fingolfin> exited fine for me
[13:15:12] <Colourless> when attempting to delete the save_names in Game_window::~Game_window
[13:15:45] * Fingolfin notices that there is already SDL 1.2.2
[13:15:48] <Fingolfin> I must be sleeping or so ;)
[13:15:50] <Colourless> looks like it wasn't initialized
[13:16:31] <Colourless> Just in time debugging is rather useful
[13:16:46] <Fingolfin> JID
[13:17:28] <wjp> Colourless: yes, save games aren't read because of this bug
[13:17:52] <Colourless> wjp: ok
[13:18:19] <Colourless> that would probably explain why the array wasn't initialized
[13:19:00] <wjp> init_gamedat() wasn't called, because you didn't either properly start a new game or selected 'journey onward'
[13:19:03] * Fingolfin tries wjpīs fix
[13:19:37] <Fingolfin> seems to work fine now
[13:20:11] * wjp adds some comments & cleans up a bit and commits again
[13:22:29] <wjp> hmm, I guess it would crash if there was no gamedat directory
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[13:33:44] <Fingolfin> grmbl
[13:33:59] <Colourless> yes?
[13:34:07] <Fingolfin> split bad
[13:34:42] <wjp> looks like most of the european servers have been disconnected
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[13:55:34] <Fingolfin> should I spell the MacOS X application "exult" or "Exult" ? usually, MacOS X apps should start with an upper case letter; and it gets exectued from the GUI, so it doesnīt matter for CLI input...
[13:56:25] <Colourless> if case doesn't matter, use Exult
[13:56:38] <Fingolfin> ok, Iīd prefer that anyway ;)
[14:00:48] <Fingolfin> now I really need a nie *big* icon for exult
[14:00:57] <Fingolfin> hmm
[14:01:08] <Fingolfin> if we had areally nice looking ankh, that could be used for both icon and log
[14:01:11] <Fingolfin> logo I mean
[14:02:08] <wjp> there's 48x48 icon in the desktop dir.
[14:03:16] <Colourless> doesn't work for me
[14:03:27] <Colourless> not a valid png
[14:03:49] <Fingolfin> and I need 128x128 ;)
[14:04:18] <Fingolfin> I will write my cousin, and ask him to render some nice ankhs, if he is in the mood he can do great artwork ;) maybe we are lucky, maybe not;
[14:04:38] <Fingolfin> the more choices we have, the better ;)
[14:04:54] * Colourless coughs
[14:05:20] <Colourless> it's not like I didn't already render the current logo
[14:06:19] <wjp> Colourless: someone forgot to set the binary tag on that file, it seems
[14:07:08] <wjp> fixed
[14:09:31] <Fingolfin> Colourless: oh! sorry, I didnīt know/remember that!
[14:09:41] <Fingolfin> Colourless: could you re-render it at a better size/quality?
[14:09:53] <Fingolfin> I like the current ankh, but it is to pixelish in the logo...
[14:10:39] <Colourless> yeah, I can
[14:10:43] <Fingolfin> Colourless: if you could do it at 128x128 and 48x48 that would be fantastic, and maybe we can use it for the "new" logo, too, together with the enhanced font artwork of this guy on the mailing list
[14:10:49] * Fingolfin dances around happily
[14:10:51] <Fingolfin> yippie ;)
[14:11:30] <wjp> you sure seem to be in a good mood today :-)
[14:11:58] <Fingolfin> hehe
[14:12:16] <Fingolfin> ok, I go to the garden now, playing some card games with mom and my grandparents ;)
[14:12:23] <Fingolfin> I only hope it doesnīt start to rain again
[14:12:33] <Fingolfin> it rained a lot today, and they call *that* sumemr :(
[14:12:36] <Fingolfin> summer even
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[14:13:06] <Fingolfin|afk> ryan: please if you can render it, do it, even though I was a nasty CVS-boy, and email it to me, so i can make it into an icon ;)
[14:13:33] <Colourless> yeah, but not tonight. i'll do it tomorrow
[14:15:10] <Fingolfin|afk> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/05/24/aqua_design.html - excellent guide for beautiful icons ;)
[14:15:14] <Fingolfin|afk> Colourless: sure thing
[14:15:21] <Fingolfin|afk> Colourless: what app do you use for it?
[14:15:44] * Fingolfin|afk is really gone now
[14:16:22] <Colourless> Lightwave
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[15:53:22] <wjp> bye
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[15:53:32] <Colourless> cya
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[19:41:43] --- Topic for #exult is: Exult, the open source Ultima 7 and U7 part 2 engine
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[20:45:48] <matt0> Schwarzkopf!!!
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[20:56:00] <wjp> hi
[21:00:37] <matt0> hey wjp
[21:02:27] <wjp> hmm, OPN is going to switch ircd apparently
[21:02:34] <wjp> I thought they were going to do that last weekend?
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[21:04:23] <Fingolfin> hi
[21:04:32] <Fingolfin> well
[21:04:35] <Fingolfin> they failed to
[21:04:49] <Fingolfin> it was completly unstable and crashed etc etc.
[21:04:54] <wjp> oops
[21:05:08] <wjp> I hope they did some bugfixing the last week :-)
[21:05:47] * wjp is annoyed...
[21:05:52] <wjp> my brother is using my D2 cd-key
[21:05:53] <Fingolfin> I hope so, too
[21:05:58] <Fingolfin> ohhh, bad ;)
[21:06:20] <Fingolfin> my cousin has no own key, either; otherwise I'd play with him in B.Net, now that he also has DSL...
[21:06:48] <wjp> hmm... D2 is only 60 NLG... I wonder if I could persuade my brother to go buy his own copy
[21:07:14] <wjp> probably not, since he's pretty broke. Maybe I should get a 2nd copy for myself then :-)
[21:07:32] <Fingolfin> can we split the exult version constant into a major,minor,rel_status constants/macros? the old macro then being defined as a concat of the new ones; this would make it easier for me in the near future to specify the version information for the OS X binary
[21:07:40] <Fingolfin> lol
[21:07:54] <Fingolfin> maybe you should tell him: "get your own copy if you wanna play" ;)
[21:08:01] <wjp> I tried that...
[21:08:18] <Fingolfin> hm, I would offer you a piece of this self made cake, but I am afraid my computer has no cake inpute device
[21:08:19] <Fingolfin> CID
[21:08:24] <wjp> lol
[21:08:50] <wjp> I'm still waiting for the price on those to drop
[21:09:01] <wjp> the cake output devices are especially pricy
[21:09:48] * wjp is reading satirewire.com
[21:09:53] <Fingolfin> hehhehe
[21:09:57] <wjp> those stories are really funny :-)
[21:10:07] <wjp> "NETIZEN FEARS HACKERS WILL STEAL HIS
[21:10:16] <wjp> VISA CARD NO. 8099 0788 341 9800 EXP. 12/01
[21:10:16] <Fingolfin> COD?
[21:10:17] <Fingolfin> ;)
[21:10:20] <Fingolfin> hehehe
[21:10:36] <wjp> or:
[21:10:37] <wjp> The profusion of international news available on the Internet has made it increasingly difficult for the average American to ignore the rest of the world,
[21:11:53] <wjp> lol:
[21:11:58] <wjp> FOOT-AND-MOUTH BELIEVED TO BE FIRST VIRUS
[21:11:58] <wjp> UNABLE TO SPREAD THROUGH MICROSOFT OUTLOOK
[21:12:03] <Fingolfin> yeah ;)))
[22:11:23] <wjp> hmm, shouldn't they have switched ircd by now?
[22:20:10] <Fingolfin> well
[22:20:10] <Fingolfin> yeah
[22:20:19] <Fingolfin> maybe they did and we didn't notice? =)
[22:23:40] <wjp> that would be a neat feature :-)
[22:31:10] <Fingolfin> he
[22:46:28] <Fingolfin> dum dee dum
[22:46:33] <Fingolfin> still no server reboot
[22:46:49] * wjp notices his brother just stopped playing D2
[23:27:25] <wjp> Fingolfin: just noticed I forgot replying to your version macro comment
[23:27:50] <Fingolfin> oh uh
[23:27:54] <Fingolfin> I forgot I asked abou tit ;)
[23:27:58] <wjp> we already split it up in configure.in, but only major.relnum.
[23:28:30] <Fingolfin> that's fine, too; do we have macros for it, though? I mean a variable or macro or so for use in the source
[23:28:41] <Fingolfin> in my config.h I only see on big containing all
[23:28:44] <wjp> they're probably not exported
[23:30:18] <wjp> just adding a '#undef MAJOR' and a '#undef RELNUM' to acconfig.h should do it
[23:30:45] <wjp> oh, and a few extra 'AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED's in configure.in
[23:31:27] <Fingolfin> that would be nice
[23:33:24] <wjp> want me to do it? ;-)
[23:34:19] <Fingolfin> please ;)
[23:34:42] <wjp> 'MAJOR' and 'RELNUM' ok?
[23:34:53] <wjp> or split it up to MAJOR, MINOR, EXTRA?
[23:35:35] <Fingolfin> I'd prefer MAJOR,MINOR,EXTRA or so hmmm
[23:35:36] <Fingolfin> well
[23:35:53] <Fingolfin> what I like to do is to have split "0.94" and "beta" or "cvs" etc.
[23:36:56] * wjp checks linux kernel makefile
[23:37:06] <wjp> VERSION, PATCHLEVEL, SUBLEVEL, EXTRAVERSION
[23:37:14] * Fingolfin rolls eyes
[23:37:20] <wjp> one too many :-)
[23:37:23] <Fingolfin> every OS has its own naming converntions for this ;)
[23:37:27] <Fingolfin> look at libpng
[23:37:37] <Fingolfin> PNGMAJ, PNGMIN, PNGREV
[23:37:38] <Fingolfin> ;)
[23:37:57] <wjp> how about "THE_MAJOR_VERSION_NUMBER_OF_EXULT_THE_OPEN_SOURCE_ULTIMA7_GAME_ENGINE"?
[23:38:38] <wjp> VER_MAJOR, VER_MINOR, VER_EXTRA?
[23:41:19] * wjp yawns
[23:41:19] <Fingolfin> fine to me ;)
[23:41:46] <wjp> and I've only been up for about 12-13 hours...
[23:42:38] <Fingolfin> ts ts
[23:42:42] <Fingolfin> you get old!
[23:42:44] <Fingolfin> like me ;)
[23:42:48] <wjp> yeah :-)
[23:43:16] * wjp commits without trying to compile
[23:44:58] <Fingolfin> OMG
[23:45:06] <Fingolfin> you'll kill us all! if ryan discovers
[23:45:27] <wjp> umm... I was just kidding... really...
[23:46:26] <wjp> I just have an ultra-fast machine that compiled the whole thing within the minute between editing and committing.. really...
[23:47:05] <Fingolfin> bah ;)
[23:58:42] <wjp> ok, it still compiles :-)
[23:59:44] <Fingolfin> he