#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 4 Feb 2002 (GMT)

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[00:51:10] * sbx is planning on using these exclamation points against him. >:-)
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[02:36:29] * Darke bows, "Hello everybun, and non-bun."
[02:37:04] <sbx> Hello
[02:37:25] * sbx dumps a bucket of exclamation points on Darke's head.
[02:38:49] * Darke nibbles on an exclamation mark, as he shakes the rest off his ears.
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[03:04:23] <Darke> Hi.
[03:04:25] <Kirben> Hi
[03:09:31] <sbx> Hi
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[04:30:02] <sbx> -MemoServ- You have no new memos
[04:30:05] <sbx> :-(
[04:32:22] <Darke> What a pity. <grin>
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[05:26:22] <sbx> Eazy Cheese!
[06:02:38] <EazyCheez> Man this new mIRC rocks
[06:02:43] <EazyCheez> multi-server baby!
[06:02:56] <sbx> eh
[06:02:57] <EazyCheez> Now I don't have an excuse for not logging on to openprojects :)
[06:03:08] <sbx> heh
[06:03:21] * sbx uses X-Chat [1.6.4]
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[06:05:48] * Darke uses kvirc.
[06:15:15] <EazyCheez> well guys see ya... *snickers at his luck in finding mIRC with its new multi-server*
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[06:17:00] * sbx snickers at the concept of 'mIRC'.
[06:17:11] <sbx> but im happy for him :-)
[06:17:33] * Darke snickers.
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[06:42:47] <V0|D> yo!
[06:43:02] <Darke> Hi.
[06:43:52] <sbx> lo
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[06:54:08] <Darke> Hi.
[06:56:59] <Kirben> Hi
[06:57:08] <V0|D> hello
[06:58:41] <sbx> hey
[07:14:28] <V0|D> brb
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[07:29:14] <sbx> wb
[07:29:20] <V0|D> cheers
[07:29:37] <Darke> 'ello again.
[07:36:04] <sbx> why are you probing me? :)
[07:38:43] <V0|D> just wanted to say 'you should be in bed!'
[07:41:18] <sbx> ah
[07:41:32] * sbx has been violated. :O
[07:41:35] <sbx> ?date
[07:41:35] <exultbot> It is now Mon Feb 4 07:41:35 2002 (GMT).
[07:41:48] <sbx> :-)
[07:41:53] * sbx goes by GMT. :-)
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[08:22:27] <V0|D> cool, my puter went to sleep but stayed connected to irc...i think
[08:22:53] <Darke> It appears it did.
[08:23:31] <V0|D> i dont think any1 could ahve sent me a message tho
[08:23:37] <V0|D> have to try that one out
[08:25:54] <Darke> Hmm... couldn't hurt I suppose.
[08:28:35] <V0|D> but later, couldn't be bothered
[08:29:02] <V0|D> i think the socket stayed open cause my carracho (like hotline) connection closed during sleep
[08:29:18] <V0|D> and the irc server must have thought i was still here
[08:33:03] <sbx> Does your connection stay open in suspend mode?
[08:33:12] <sbx> if you do that
[08:34:55] <V0|D> i guess. i know for sure my ethernet connect stays up. whether it receives and transmits packets or not...dunno
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[08:36:46] <V0|D> i'd prefer if everything shut off during sleep, because im using a latop and power is a precious comodity
[08:37:54] <V0|D> hmmmm a latop, eh?
[08:38:06] <V0|D> laptop rather
[08:39:16] <sbx> heh
[08:39:18] <sbx> Darke tried it :P
[08:40:03] <V0|D> yeh, ehhehe
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[09:00:18] * Darke bows, and is back. Yet another X crash. He thinks he needs to get around to a reinstall very, very soon.
[09:00:53] * V0|D hopes it wasnt a nasty one!
[09:01:02] <V0|D> ie. HD crash
[09:01:58] <Darke> Nah. Just everything locking up. The X server not allowing me to kill it, even as root. Nothing really horrible, just really annoying.
[09:03:09] <sbx> oh
[09:03:19] * sbx thought you might have tried putting your system to sleep.
[09:03:20] <sbx> :-)
[09:04:10] * Darke has that turned OFF on every, single, one of his systems. He _loathes_ that misfeature.
[09:07:25] * sbx has power management compiled in so he can run shutdown and his computer will turn itself off. :-D
[09:09:28] * Darke does too, but it's only used once in a blue moon, when he has to add or remove hardware. <grin>
[09:16:21] <sbx> 3:19am up 2 days, 23:24, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01
[09:16:24] <sbx> :|
[09:17:20] <V0|D> i only turned mine on this morning, was using a different OS for games last night. but my software router was once connected to the net for over 1000 hours
[09:17:41] <V0|D> using a non-preemptive, non-memory protected system
[09:18:23] <V0|D> :)
[09:19:34] <sbx> :O
[09:19:49] * sbx has to reboot to another OS occasionally.
[09:20:02] <V0|D> it doesnt do much, granted. but i thought it was pretty cool
[09:21:44] * Darke grins.
[09:29:44] <V0|D> heheh i can draw an ascii homer
[09:29:59] <V0|D> (_8(|)
[09:30:13] <sbx> WooHoo!
[09:30:16] <V0|D> hahaha
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[10:41:34] <Kirben> Hi
[10:41:56] <sbx> Hi
[10:42:30] <Kirben> anyone else have major cvs problems since merge ?
[10:42:47] * sbx hasn't checked out.
[10:43:09] <Kirben> I can check out a fresh exult fine, but cvs update -P -d wipes out the extra directories every time....
[10:43:47] <sbx> :|
[11:06:47] <Darke> Kirben: Me too.
[11:07:19] <Kirben> Someone needs to remove those directories completely from exult
[11:08:24] <Darke> It looks like it. It would appear the 'common' thing won't work properly otherwise.
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[11:11:42] <V0|D> that was my ISPs fault.....i think
[11:12:22] <Darke> It wouldn't surprise me. <droopear>
[11:12:37] <V0|D> hehe, yeh, im pretty pissed off with telstra actually
[11:13:26] <Darke> http://www.whirlpool.net.au The top news story looks like good news.
[11:15:12] <V0|D> interesting...i like how they have a direct link to the page where you can cancel your telstra account hahaha
[11:15:45] <Darke> <nod> They don't like telstra. <grin>
[11:16:05] * Darke can understand the sentiment perfectly though, even though he worked for them at one time.
[11:16:18] <V0|D> when is optus going to offer adsl?
[11:18:01] <Darke> I wouldn't have the foggiest.
[11:20:22] <V0|D> YES! iprimus cover canberra! well, at least some of it
[11:25:20] <V0|D> problem is, i dont think canberra will ever get cabled by optus cause i have a feeling that TransACT have some sort of deal with the government (Transact have cabled part of canberra, but are a little too expensive)
[11:25:40] <V0|D> ill have to check the prices out again since telstra have jacked up theirs
[11:25:40] * Darke nods.
[11:30:55] <V0|D> pft...i think its $55 a month to transact for 1mb/128k link, then extra for an ISP
[11:31:08] <V0|D> one isp charges $119 a month for 3GB
[11:31:29] <Darke> Gee... which isp might that be? <grin>
[11:31:53] <V0|D> hehehe i konw what you're thinking, but its Netspeed
[11:32:19] <V0|D> the other one is 119 too!
[11:32:41] * Darke takes a wild guess, and says they're probably both owned by the same company.
[11:32:59] <V0|D> and they offer ADSL too, but that is even more expensive!!! i'm doomed :(
[11:33:28] <V0|D> and there is no way im going for a plan that is less than 3gb d/l a month
[11:33:55] <sbx> what is your current speed/price?
[11:34:11] <V0|D> 256/64 for $78AUS
[11:34:56] <V0|D> but they are dropping that account and putting up the prices so ill have to go for 512/128 at $95AUS (or maybe $99, cant remember)
[11:41:00] <V0|D> with no guarantee on stability either
[11:41:21] <V0|D> they have been pretty bad so far
[11:42:13] * sbx gets 2K/sec for $9.99, with occasional loss of connection. :-)
[12:04:19] <V0|D> goodnight
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[12:27:33] <Colourless> hk
[12:27:35] <Colourless> hi even
[12:27:45] <sbx> hk
[12:27:48] <sbx> hi
[12:27:57] <Colourless> oi!!
[12:35:38] <Darke> Hi Colourless. <bow> Is that a general 'oi'? Or a more specific 'oi'? <grin>
[12:35:59] <Colourless> that was a more specific oi meant for sbx
[12:38:26] <Darke> Ahh... So kt was targeted at hks... sarcastkc 'hk' remarks then?
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[12:42:02] * Darke looks innocent.
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[12:43:38] * Darke pokes his muzzle out again, still looking completely innocent.
[12:44:50] <Colourless> It appears what I consider innocent and what you consder innocent are completly different things.
[12:45:31] * matto innocently shaves the letters "E X U L T" in Darke's coat of fluff
[12:45:43] <Darke> Nah. I said I was _looking_ innocent, not that I was innocent.
[12:45:56] <Colourless> you look damn guilty to me!
[12:46:17] * matto innocently goes to bed
[12:46:45] <Darke> Incidentally... think I should reply to that 'New Developer?' thread in the forum? <grin>
[12:47:22] * Darke thinks going to bed, is certainly not always an 'innocent' act. <innocentlop>
[12:47:23] <Colourless> yes reply to it
[12:47:46] <Colourless> well, no it's not :-)
[12:48:08] <sbx> He called you Darkepaw... cute. ;-)
[12:48:10] <Darke> It's even less innocent if... umm... no, let's not go there, this is a family channel. <grin>
[12:48:38] <Colourless> this is a family channel????
[12:48:58] <Darke> sbx: That's what sourceforge calls me. <grin> Altough I'm not registered as a developer with exult under that name.
[12:49:20] <Darke> Colourless: Umm... no, let's not go there shall we? <grin>
[12:49:48] <Colourless> aww, why not? it might be fun :-)
[12:50:50] <Darke> One interesting thing I did notice, when you mentioned I'd been here a 'long time', was that I was the 2010th person to register on sourceforge. <grin> Dominus was the 120905th.
[12:51:06] * sbx has yet to register. :O
[12:51:35] <Colourless> no not at all. you've just been working on ucxt for what seems like ages now
[12:51:47] <Colourless> i'm not sure if that is a good thing, or a bad thing :-)
[12:51:50] <Darke> Then Jeff, then Fingolfin, both in the 10k range. <grin>
[12:52:25] <Colourless> i'm 41613
[12:52:43] <Darke> Colourless: Well, I did get a little distracted in between it. Three eye operations, and 6 months of not being able to touch it becuase I was far to busy with work kind of puts a dent in the schedule. <grin>
[12:53:35] <Colourless> aye, that is probably why it just seemed to exist for a while with no owner
[12:53:53] * Darke remberers registering with sf on the same day it was posted on slashdot. <grin>
[12:55:09] <Darke> Yes. And I was working on it intermittently for... probably about 6 months before it was committed to cvs too, since I didn't actually have a net connection at home then. <grin> It has been a very long time hasn't it.
[12:55:44] <Colourless> well you added it on Jan 5th 2001
[12:56:17] <Colourless> and things don't seem to have been touched until July
[12:58:33] <Darke> Yep. That was the big gap for work distractions at Telstra. Hmm... I also seem to remember committing it once, and needing to move it too because I dropped it into the wrong place. But that could have just been a couple of files, not the whole thing.
[13:05:32] <Colourless> you know, 6 months is a very long time to not be working on something, and then to start working on it again. It also kind of show exactly how long we have been hacking away on Exult. I can't believe i've been helping out for about 18 months now
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[13:09:33] <Colourless> the news file indicates somewhat how old exult actually is.... there is an entry from 9/25/98
[13:11:05] <Darke> <grin> That is old, so exult's almost 3 and a half years old? <grin>
[13:12:21] <Colourless> i believe it's older than that. jeff has said he started work on it, then left it for quite a while before doing anything else with it
[13:12:50] <Darke> You'll notice though, after the 6 month break, I actually redesigned ucxt from the ground up, starting first by removing the old USECODE file parser code that was in ucdump.cc. <grin> So it wasn't so much start hacking on it again, it was more of a rebuilding it.
[13:12:51] <Colourless> interesting to note that as one stage there seems to have been a dos port!
[13:13:14] <Darke> <nod> I heard mention of it, using Allegro, IIRC. I think that's how I heard of it.
[13:14:15] * Colourless thinks maintaining 3 ports, X, Dos, and Windows must have been a bit of a nightmare
[13:14:18] * Darke has a large number of unfinished projects using the Allegro game developent libraries + DJGPP.
[13:17:39] <Darke> Not really, don't think it'd be more difficult then at the moment using mingw/Mac/unix/MSVC/amiga(?), even using sdl. After all, DJGPP was just gcc 2.95.x last time I checked. <grin>
[13:18:10] <Colourless> well, we all use SDL
[13:19:42] <Colourless> there is little non portable code in exult now. though when it was using 3 different graphics, sound and input api's it would have been hell
[13:19:53] <Darke> <nod> But there's specific mac bits over here, and windows bits over there. I break things here, but not there, because of compiler versions. We need to maintain different make files, and there's probably a few ideosyncracies with the Amiga code too, though I haven't looked.
[13:20:54] <Colourless> true there are all ideosyncracies with the compilers, but even using different versions of gcc on the same system causes problems
[13:21:13] * Darke expects he might be underestimating the difficulty a little, but remember, exult is _much_ more compilcated now, then it was then.
[13:21:53] <Colourless> yeah it's just a 'little' more complex. just take a look at the source and binary sizes of our previous releases
[13:22:39] <Colourless> i didn't even notice it when the windows exe crossed 1 mb, until it was quite a way past it
[13:23:07] <Darke> 5 times the size for a source zip. <grin> Impressive.
[13:24:51] <Colourless> a lot happened between 0.40 and 0.90
[13:27:02] <Darke> Agreed. I have a faint memory of what was holding us up from releasing 0.90, was getting SI working just stable enough that we could say 'it kind of works'. BICBW.
[13:27:54] <Colourless> can't remember. I don't think SI was working very much at all at that stage
[13:28:46] <Darke> Nah. It was at the `don't even bother reporting bugs, report the things that work` stage. <grin>
[13:29:37] <Colourless> i think at that stage I might have 'just' gotten some of the SI usecode to work a little
[13:30:54] * Darke is pretty sure he started following exult, and subscribed to the ML, about when 0.40 was released.
[13:32:49] <Colourless> nope it wasn't
[13:33:18] <Colourless> 0.40 was released on August 22nd. I got SI usecode to partially work on August 26th
[13:33:40] <Darke> <grin> Bad 'good' timing?
[13:34:10] * Darke is surprised that sentence actually parses for him, let alone makes sense.
[13:35:51] <Colourless> well, I can't really remember back then (it was like 17 months ago) but I'm pretty sure that i was just starting playing around with SI after the 0.40 release
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[16:25:32] <EazyCheez> Hello!
[16:25:37] <Colourless> hi
[16:27:39] <EazyCheez> I like the new mIRC. Multi-server! I never have to make an excuse to not join openprojects again ;)
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[16:31:40] <EazyCheez> hello :)
[16:32:00] <Colourless> hi :-)
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[20:22:34] <Fingolfin> yo
[20:22:38] <Colourless> hi
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[20:22:47] <Fingolfin> I am going to do the CVS reversal now if nobody minds
[20:23:09] <Fingolfin> that is I am going to try it =)
[20:23:43] <Colourless> well, things probably could be worse then they are now
[20:24:21] <Fingolfin> inded... but if we end up all messed up, well, I always wanted to make a looong trip to some unknown caribbean island 8-)
[20:24:26] <Fingolfin> s/inded/indeed/
[20:25:07] <Colourless> :-)
[20:30:34] <EazyCheez> what's the CVS reversal? :)
[20:31:49] <Fingolfin> in retrospect, it was stupid that I didn't tag CVS before doing the change :/ <sigh>
[20:47:46] <wjp> hi Max
[20:48:09] <Fingolfin> yo willem
[20:48:29] <Fingolfin> things will be a bit rough now, I am re-adding stuff
[20:52:48] <wjp> hm, those last three mails seem a bit weird
[20:53:07] <wjp> added directory exult/conf/{files|audio|headers}?
[20:53:31] <Colourless> aye
[20:56:14] <Fingolfin> yeah yeah
[20:56:19] <Fingolfin> that was an accident :)
[20:56:28] <Fingolfin> I'll get rid of them ASAP
[20:56:41] <Fingolfin> either via "cvs admin" or with a SF SR
[20:57:51] * Fingolfin is even worse than normal in the head, caused by working two days straight the weekend to hit a deadline (CeBiT starts soon, we had to get rid for a pre-presentation to HP this week), and then there is that exam tomorrow, adn the scholarship application, and a ton of other things. And finally, it is me, so what do you expect?
[21:02:09] <Fingolfin> do we need audio/mtest for anything?
[21:02:21] <wjp> mtest? what's that?
[21:02:41] <Fingolfin> it seems to be a script contating a call to g++ to compile a test app or so
[21:02:49] <Fingolfin> nothing very useful it seems, but who am I to judge =)
[21:06:47] <wjp> ok, everything seems to be working again
[21:07:04] <Fingolfin> yeah
[21:07:19] <Colourless> now to change pentagram
[21:07:24] <Fingolfin> ?
[21:07:40] <Fingolfin> I updated everything, you will probably need a new checkout once more, though, I fear
[21:07:58] <Colourless> ah ok. you message didn't indicate that
[21:10:44] <Colourless> of course now you really have to fix that small conf/files, conf/audio, conf/headers problem :-)
[21:12:48] <Fingolfin> yes I am working on that, no worries =)
[21:13:09] <wjp> I should go
[21:13:11] <wjp> g'night
[21:13:14] <Colourless> cya
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[21:20:11] <Colourless> time for me to go
[21:20:35] <Fingolfin> yo
[21:20:39] <Fingolfin> sleep well :)
[21:20:40] <Fingolfin> hm
[21:20:49] <Fingolfin> btw, when did you move to europe, ryan? :)
[21:21:39] <Colourless> hehe
[21:22:12] * Colourless points here -> http://www.satirewire.com/news/jan02/australia.shtml
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