#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 4 Nov 2001 (GMT)

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[15:59:35] <wjp> hi
[15:59:48] <Colourless> hi
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[18:31:23] <Fingolfin> lo
[18:31:40] <Colourless> hi
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[18:36:24] <Colourless> so, why did you join for about 1 minute then leave?
[18:41:27] <Fingolfin> I joined; then I noticed I had to logout/login to make one change working I had just made
[18:41:40] <Fingolfin> otherwise I couldn't have used CVS via SSH in my IDE :)
[18:41:45] <Colourless> :-)
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[18:44:20] <Fingolfin> so, why did you just join as Cless, then left, the changed your nick to Colourless?
[18:44:21] <Fingolfin> ;)
[18:45:21] <Colourless> well, the quit message should explain it :-)
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[19:40:46] <Sentack> Hello people.
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[20:47:53] <jameson> Hi!
[20:48:03] <wjp> hi
[20:49:02] <Fingolfin> lo
[20:49:04] <jameson> Sorry, haven't been able to find some time to fix the cxx/Alpha build...
[20:49:17] <wjp> it's broken then? :/
[20:49:24] <jameson> Yes, ATM.
[20:49:42] <Fingolfin> no wonder :)
[20:49:53] <jameson> I don't recall the exact problems, but I'll try to have a look when time permits again.
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[21:10:16] <Sslaxx> Hello?
[21:10:48] <wjp> hi
[21:11:06] <Sslaxx> Hi, WJP!
[21:11:11] * Sslaxx hands out Strawberries.
[21:11:13] <Sslaxx> How goes?
[21:11:31] <jameson> Hi!
[21:11:51] <wjp> yum, strawberries :-)
[21:11:59] <Sslaxx> Hello, Jameson.
[21:12:28] * jameson fetches some cream to go with the strawberries
[21:13:12] <jameson> Hmm, I only have some peanut butter left. Oh well, better than nothing.
[21:13:43] * wjp isn't so sure about that :-)
[21:14:37] <Sslaxx> Unusual combo!
[21:16:58] * Sslaxx foodidles.
[21:17:04] <Fingolfin> not as unusual as some other habits of jameson
[21:17:14] <Fingolfin> Sslaxx: be carefuly, jameson is really weird =)
[21:17:26] * Fingolfin fetches a trout and puts the strawberries on it
[21:17:34] <Fingolfin> hm, yummy
[21:17:55] * Fingolfin suddenly remembers he doesn't like fish at all and tosses the trout away, "eeek! fish"
[21:18:38] <matto> fingolfin!!
[21:18:59] * matto slaps Fingolfin around a bit with a large Forelle
[21:19:11] <Fingolfin> eeek! a fish
[21:19:15] <Fingolfin> eeeeeeek! a matt0!
[21:21:14] <matto> muwahaha
[21:25:05] <Sslaxx> Weird habits? Hee!
[21:27:57] <matto> so whatever happened to Dancer Vesperman? did he disappear?
[21:29:32] <wjp> hmm, he just mailed to the ML, actually :-)
[21:34:24] <Sslaxx> ML?
[21:34:48] <wjp> mailing list
[21:35:44] <Sslaxx> Why two mattos?
[21:51:49] <matto> Sslaxx: one for home, one for work :)
[21:51:59] * Sslaxx noddles.
[21:52:21] <matto> wjp: hehe.. I guess that's what I get for not reading the mailing list everyday :)
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[22:09:55] <Sslaxx> Niters!
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[22:35:19] <jameson> Good night!
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[23:35:25] <Eppu> Hey, any exult/ultima 7 hackers here?
[23:35:47] <Fingolfin> hm?
[23:36:04] <wjp> hi
[23:36:49] <wjp> (yes, btw :-) )
[23:37:12] <Eppu> I'm doing a partial u7 decoder as an utility for a larger project. I may have a little problem with the ireg files
[23:37:46] <Eppu> Are all game items specified in the ireg files? Some houses in trinsic appear completely empty, while otherwise it seems to work.
[23:38:09] <Eppu> I'm just wondering if this is a bug in the program, or are the items specified elsewhere, like in usecode?
[23:38:50] <wjp> hmm, basic house contents are definitely not usecode-generated
[23:39:14] <Eppu> For example, the tavern south of the starting location is empty of items
[23:39:28] <Eppu> Statics and map are fine tho, and most of the items in other houses
[23:39:33] <wjp> how did you produce the ireg files?
[23:40:12] <Eppu> The iregs are from generated by exult, I think.
[23:40:22] <Eppu> I just need to decode them, not generate or otherwise modify them
[23:40:41] <wjp> hmm, we slightly modified the ireg format in the files exult produces
[23:41:44] <wjp> specifically, we write 10-byte entries for 'normal' objects instead of 6-byte ones
[23:41:45] <Eppu> Really? Are these modifications documented? Or a pointer to source code would probably be enough.
[23:42:08] <Eppu> I haven't really looked at exult's code, so I'm not familiar with its structure
[23:42:13] <wjp> the part that reads ireg objects is in... *looks*
[23:42:33] <wjp> Game_window::read_ireg_objects, gamewin.cc, around line 1300 (current CVS)
[23:42:46] <Eppu> Thanks!
[23:43:04] <wjp> that code reads both U7 and exult ireg files
[23:43:12] <Eppu> So anyway, all the items should be in the ireg files?
[23:43:38] <wjp> except for a couple of rare usecode-generated items, yes
[23:44:47] <Eppu> Ok, so it's probably a format mismatch or a bug. Weird thing is, everything else seems to work perfectly. Items in Britain are in the correct places, etc
[23:45:23] <wjp> hmm, probably only the chunks near the starting spot have been rewritten in the exult-specific format
[23:45:45] <wjp> I assume you got the ireg files from a new game?
[23:46:10] <Eppu> Yes, I started a game few days ago, with a cvs versio of exult
[23:46:44] <wjp> my guess is that items will only be wrong in the areas you visited
[23:47:02] <wjp> (I could be wrong though)
[23:47:14] <Eppu> That might be it actually
[23:47:35] <Eppu> I haven't really walked around much, just created the game so I could start decoding it
[23:48:40] <Eppu> So exult creates old format iregs, but modifies them when you visit those places?
[23:49:16] <wjp> we read the 'original' iregs, and only write the ones that you have visited
[23:49:19] <Fingolfin> yeah
[23:49:41] <Eppu> That's almost certainly it then.
[23:50:00] <Fingolfin> what are you working on anyway?
[23:50:26] <Eppu> It's a mush or mud system. I'm using ultima 7 graphics and world for development
[23:50:45] <wjp> btw, the exult-specific part of the ireg format is the 'entlen==10' part in that code
[23:51:16] <Eppu> The file format for the server is completely different from u7.
[23:52:05] <wjp> brb
[23:52:16] <Eppu> I'm just using u7 as a source for graphics and ready made world, so I can concentrate on programming the system
[23:56:58] <wjp> b
[23:58:40] <Fingolfin> well, I am off to bed now
[23:58:45] <Fingolfin> ha! this time before wjp! :)
[23:58:47] <wjp> night
[23:58:49] <wjp> :-)
[23:58:56] <Fingolfin> night, too :)
[23:58:59] * wjp was up playing Avernum2 until 3:45 last night ;-)
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