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[01:34:01] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
[01:35:01] <Baastuul> Hullo.
[01:38:23] <servus_> /7 We're still having fun, because you're still the one! /7
[01:40:19] <Sheng_Gradilla> :P
[01:41:02] <servus_> Except for you, you, you, you, you, and you.
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[05:39:20] <Sevalecan> wtf
[05:39:34] <Sevalecan> i killed hook and exult every few seconds comes up with batlins little speech
[05:39:40] <Sevalecan> i just cant shut him up!
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[08:35:54] <servus_> The NES programmers were pretty clever. If they used such intense optimizations on software designed for modern hardware, my toenails would curl up and my hair would sprinkle off my skull.
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[09:07:11] <wjp> Sevalecan: please file a bug report and attach a savegame
[09:07:58] <wjp> Sevalecan: oh, out of curiosity, what kind of cheat were you planning to create? :-)
[09:10:02] <wjp> hi Fingolfin
[09:11:02] <Fingolfin> hi
[09:11:19] <Darke> Greetings.
[09:30:14] <Baastuul> brb
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[13:09:48] <Fl00der> hello
[13:10:49] <Baastuul> Hullo.
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[18:18:49] <artaxerxes> hi all
[18:19:21] <wjp> hi
[18:19:40] <artaxerxes> wjp: would you know of a way to find out where and how is font #5 used?
[18:19:52] <artaxerxes> font #0 is regular yellow font
[18:20:01] <artaxerxes> font #5 is tiny white font
[18:20:29] <artaxerxes> I am wondering if I should extend it to use 256 frames
[18:20:32] <wjp> spellbooks
[18:20:42] <artaxerxes> spellbooks?
[18:20:57] <wjp> that's what the comments say
[18:21:02] <wjp> 5 = little white, glowing, for spellbooks.
[18:21:03] <artaxerxes> number of spells you can cast?
[18:21:31] <artaxerxes> no need to add accentuated letters then?
[18:22:28] <wjp> I think we only use numbers and the 'o' of that font
[18:22:50] <wjp> hm, and maybe things like "1st circle"
[18:22:55] <artaxerxes> which stands for infinite?
[18:23:11] <artaxerxes> gotta try that...
[18:26:01] <artaxerxes> hmmmm... Premier Cercle: ok, Deuxime Cercle: bad (missing `e between x and i)
[18:26:55] <artaxerxes> wjp: btw, I just finished creating an installer for Si-french for Windows and I'm looking for beta-tester. Would you like to volunteer? :-)
[18:27:09] <wjp> surely you're kidding? :-)
[18:27:43] <artaxerxes> I thought you might have a windows machine lying arounf.
[18:27:48] <artaxerxes> a/arounf/around/
[18:30:15] <wjp> hm, can't deny that, no :-)
[18:31:01] <artaxerxes> n/m... I'll pass on the call on the forum I guess.
[18:31:49] <artaxerxes> must say though that I really enjoyed developing the installer. I used nsis.sf.net and it's really powerful (and easy once you get the hang of it)
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[18:55:46] <artaxerxes> hi
[18:59:17] <artaxerxes> wjp: say, when you switch on Archwizard (alt-w), do you see the infinite symbol?
[18:59:47] <artaxerxes> IIRC, it wasn't there
[19:00:33] <wjp> hm, no
[19:01:04] <wjp> should I make it display infinity?
[19:03:14] <artaxerxes> that's how it was in the original. I even found which character is supposed to look like it in 05.shp
[19:03:20] <artaxerxes> (from fonts.vga)
[19:03:35] <wjp> hm? the original didn't have wizard mode
[19:03:54] <wjp> the infinity symbol is for the ring of reagents
[19:04:06] <wjp> but there's a symbol for infinity in the font?
[19:04:08] <artaxerxes> ahhhhhhh.... sorry.... I got confused with the 2
[19:04:21] <artaxerxes> yes, there is... let me look
[19:05:14] <artaxerxes> frame #35
[19:05:32] <artaxerxes> (starts at 0)
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[19:05:39] <artaxerxes> yo
[19:06:54] <artaxerxes> replace the "#" sign
[19:07:10] <wjp> yes, 35 is #
[19:07:24] <artaxerxes> but not in shape #5 from fonts.vga
[19:08:07] <wjp> I meant ascii
[19:08:14] <artaxerxes> ;-)
[19:08:58] <artaxerxes> is that what you already use when showing infinity when the ring is on?
[19:09:10] <artaxerxes> or is there another hack?
[19:09:21] <wjp> no, it appears we use two overlapping 'o' symbols
[19:10:50] <artaxerxes> funny! :)
[19:11:42] <artaxerxes> strike that one as another Exult idiosyncracy (sp?) ;-)
[19:13:46] <wjp> expect it to mysteriously disappear soon :-)
[19:15:54] <artaxerxes> just located the piece of code where it shows "oo"
[19:16:43] <artaxerxes> lemme see.... here is the diff
[19:17:35] <artaxerxes> sman->paint_text(5,"#",x + spell->x + numx -sman->get_text_width(4,"#"),y + spell->y + numy);
[19:18:19] <artaxerxes> to replace between std::ctrcpy and sman->paint_text
[19:18:48] <artaxerxes> (around line 481)
[19:18:50] <wjp> not the cleanest way to do that; the two paint commands are duplicates of eachother this way
[19:19:23] <artaxerxes> I see what you mean
[19:20:30] <wjp> and the get_text_width needs font 5 as well; not font 4
[19:20:35] <wjp> (no idea why it's using font 4)
[19:20:38] <artaxerxes> if (num > 0 && num < 1000) { snprintf(text,6, "%d", num <100? num:99);} else { snprintf(text,6,"#");}
[19:21:02] <artaxerxes> and then put the common stuff after the if's curly brace
[19:22:58] <artaxerxes> btw, isn't the " else if (num >= 1000)" kinda useless?
[19:23:11] <wjp> you forget the num == 0 case
[19:23:12] <artaxerxes> wouldn't "else {" suffice?
[19:23:21] <artaxerxes> right!
[19:23:39] <artaxerxes> so it doesn't show "0"?
[19:23:46] <wjp> not in exult
[19:24:00] <artaxerxes> kinda weird, uh?
[19:24:08] <wjp> no idea about the original
[19:24:39] <wjp> hm, # is a normal # in my font 5
[19:25:04] <artaxerxes> starting from 0 ?
[19:25:15] <artaxerxes> the 6th font
[19:25:36] <wjp> the white one
[19:26:00] <artaxerxes> isn't there more than 1 white font?
[19:26:41] <wjp> ah, I see; it's in SI only
[19:26:50] <Sevalecan> <wjp> Sevalecan: oh, out of curiosity, what kind of cheat were you planning to create? :-)
[19:26:50] <wjp> which kind of makes sense :-)
[19:27:01] <artaxerxes> true!
[19:27:03] <Sevalecan> ah pretty much I just wanted the ol F9 from original u7
[19:27:09] <wjp> F9?
[19:27:12] <Sevalecan> so i could duplicate objects :)
[19:27:25] <Sevalecan> oh I'd have to create a create item cheat too then
[19:27:26] <Sevalecan> :)
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[19:28:29] <Sevalecan> F9 gave the information for a selected object, so that you could throw the number into the create item thing and get another
[19:28:30] <wjp> duplicating should already work with ctrl-c/ctrl-v
[19:28:48] <wjp> in mapedit mode, that is
[19:28:51] <Sevalecan> hmmm? ah, i'm not very farmiliar with exults cheats then :(
[19:28:56] <Sevalecan> how do i turn mapedit mode on?
[19:29:00] <wjp> ctrl-alt-m
[19:29:20] <wjp> select an object (it'll get a red outline), press Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, click where you want to create it
[19:29:57] <wjp> artaxerxes: so there's a choice to be made: either show infinity in wizard mode or show infinity with the proper # symbol :-)
[19:30:05] <Sevalecan> i suppose it would help if i actually read the docs once in a while
[19:30:38] <artaxerxes> wjp: acutally why couldn't you have one without the other?
[19:31:07] <wjp> I see no point in showing the 'true' infinity symbol in SI if it would still need the "oo" hack in BG
[19:32:10] <wjp> I could also make it show 99 instead of infinity in BG's wizard mode
[19:33:00] <artaxerxes> there you go. SI has infinity whenever possible, BG shows 99 otherwise.
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[19:33:19] <artaxerxes> where you code "#" for SI, you code "99" for BG.
[19:37:16] <artaxerxes> bbl (meeting)
[19:46:21] <Sevalecan> air force 1 just landed about 1 or 2 miles from here :)
[19:48:16] <wjp> spellbook stuff is committed
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[19:49:03] <artaxerxes> back
[19:49:15] <artaxerxes> wjp: sweet
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[19:50:17] <artaxerxes> looks like Air Force 1 took away Sevalecan's net connection! ;-)
[19:50:49] <wjp> maybe it was the NSA who didn't like him talking about it ;-)
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[19:51:22] <Sev_1> nah
[19:51:24] <Sev_1> pry the trees outside
[19:51:26] <Sev_1> occasionally our huge poplar trees get in the way of my fixed wireless point to point connection
[19:51:27] * artaxerxes is wondering how long we'll last before being disconnected
[19:52:23] <artaxerxes> MUCH nicer IMHO
[19:52:59] <Sev_1> control+m :)
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[19:53:17] <artaxerxes> what's the shape # for the spellbook again?
[19:53:38] <Fl00der> hi fellows
[19:53:44] <Fl00der> what's happening around here?
[19:53:59] <wjp> 43 in BG, 38 in SI
[19:54:24] <artaxerxes> that's land!
[19:54:40] <artaxerxes> 761
[19:55:28] <artaxerxes> hi Fl00der
[19:55:50] <wjp> oh, you didn't mean the gump
[19:55:52] <wjp> oops :-)
[19:56:17] <artaxerxes> my bad, I should have been more precise.
[19:56:36] <wjp> your interpretation was the more obvious one though :-)
[19:57:59] * wjp sighs; compiling firefox takes way too long
[19:58:34] <artaxerxes> even running it takes a while!
[19:58:35] <Sev_1> wjp: use distcc?
[19:58:48] <artaxerxes> (and I love FireFox)
[19:58:57] <Sev_1> artaxerxes: ah, i agree on both points
[19:59:00] <wjp> and this time I'm only compiling it once, not 4 times in a row when trying to figure out why it was giving two "save password" prompts :-)
[19:59:04] <Sev_1> it also uses quite alot of memory
[19:59:20] <wjp> Sev_1: no
[19:59:27] <Sev_1> wjp: just a suggestion :)
[19:59:55] <wjp> wouldn't I need more than one PC for that to help?
[20:00:33] <Sev_1> yeah
[20:00:46] <Sev_1> i have a few here but i havent managed to get it to work
[20:00:57] <wjp> I actually do have another one, but I doubt that P200 will help much :-)
[20:00:58] <Sev_1> although i havent really tried either
[20:01:07] <Sev_1> ah you know what they say
[20:01:09] <Sev_1> every little bit help
[20:01:12] <Sev_1> s
[20:02:01] <Sev_1> ive got an athlon XP 2600 an XP 1800 a 1000 mhz athlon and a 384 mhz AMD k6-2 and a 2.7 ghz P4 laptop i could pawn from
[20:02:17] <Sev_1> if only i could get a neat little program to make everything i run do parallel processing :D
[20:02:37] <Sev_1> actually most of those computers belong to the rest of my family but its not as if theyd care :P
[20:04:34] <artaxerxes> ok... Win32 and linux version of SI-french v1.031 will be out in a coupld of minutes
[20:04:38] <artaxerxes> s/coupld/couple
[20:06:28] <wjp> right, there we go, firefox 0.9.3 :-)
[20:07:33] <Sev_1> CVS?
[20:07:49] <wjp> no, 0.9.3
[20:08:06] <Sev_1> thats actually out?
[20:08:11] <wjp> yes
[20:08:32] <artaxerxes> the announcement was on /. earlier today
[20:08:47] <artaxerxes> it fixes the very bad libpng bug
[20:08:59] <wjp> hm, no, mostly some certificate bugs
[20:09:03] <wjp> libpng is separate
[20:10:08] <wjp> hm, or is it statically linked into firefox?
[20:13:27] <artaxerxes> well, a post in /. mentioned this version fixes the pb.
[20:13:33] <wjp> does look like it, yes
[20:13:43] <artaxerxes> btw, Si-french_1.031 is now up on sf.net
[20:13:58] <artaxerxes> I'll make the announcement on the forum
[20:20:20] <artaxerxes> done
[20:21:40] <wjp> s/fleged/fledged/
[20:22:54] <artaxerxes> I knew it didn't seem right! ;) thx wjo
[20:22:57] <artaxerxes> s/wjo/wjp
[20:23:47] <Fl00der> btw, what's firefox?
[20:24:02] <wjp> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
[20:24:22] <Fl00der> ah, browser
[20:25:16] <artaxerxes> a good one at that, except for the issues mentioned earlier
[20:26:01] <artaxerxes> wjp: isn't your lastname Palentijn
[20:26:27] <artaxerxes> ahh forgot the 's'
[20:26:43] <wjp> yes, it is
[20:26:45] <wjp> why?
[20:27:39] <artaxerxes> try to find your mugshot on google
[20:28:07] <artaxerxes> no results... ;(
[20:28:20] <wjp> there are a few around
[20:29:47] <wjp> any particular reason you want it? :-)
[20:30:25] <artaxerxes> I know what Dominus looks like, I know what I look like, but I don't know what you look like!
[20:30:47] <artaxerxes> btw, search on google image for: wjp nl
[20:30:57] <artaxerxes> scroll down and guess who we see there!
[20:31:09] <wjp> hehe :-)
[20:31:18] <Fl00der> hehe :D
[20:36:51] * ElleVeeDee throws a couple of regular expressions into a dark dungeon and hydrogenbombs the key. Twice.
[20:37:35] <wjp> don't like RE's? :-)
[20:37:50] <ElleVeeDee> only when they do what I want.
[20:38:30] <ElleVeeDee> who *do* we see if we scroll down?
[20:42:11] <artaxerxes> hey... google image on artaxerxes and I show up in first (SafeMode On)
[20:42:55] <ElleVeeDee> you're the one without wings I take it...?
[20:49:34] <artaxerxes> I let you make the call! ;-)
[20:52:34] * ElleVeeDee scratches his head.... this is tricky stuff!
[20:52:39] <ElleVeeDee> I'll get back to ya on that...
[20:53:36] <artaxerxes> take your time
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