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[18:55:22] <wjp> time for some homework :-(
[18:55:30] <wjp> bbl again
[18:55:32] <Colourless> :)
[18:55:41] <Colourless> k
[19:07:41] <Colourless> i
[19:07:46] <Colourless> i'm off
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[19:36:39] <Erestar> Anyone awake in here?
[19:38:25] <wjp> hi
[19:39:59] <Erestar> 'ello
[19:40:06] <Erestar> Are you one of the Exult developers?
[19:40:19] <wjp> yes
[19:40:31] <Erestar> Great! Just wanted to say Thanks :)
[19:40:48] <wjp> you're welcome :-)
[19:41:02] <Erestar> How much time have you sunk into this thing??
[19:41:10] <wjp> way too much :-)
[19:41:40] <Erestar> Yeah I'll bet! Gotta be worth it though. I couldn't believe how well it ran.
[19:41:50] <Erestar> And the resolution changing is nice.
[19:41:54] <wjp> yes, it's running pretty smoothly lately
[19:41:57] <Erestar> Looks better than Ultima Online I think ;)
[19:42:14] <wjp> :-)
[19:43:04] <Erestar> Found a little quark though, if you care to hear it...
[19:43:09] <wjp> sure
[19:43:28] <Erestar> Iolo seems to disappear when I leave him and tell him to "wait here"
[19:43:44] <Erestar> Even if I switch back to Windows or something, when I go back he;s gone.
[19:43:54] <Erestar> Spark, on the other hand, seems to stay there indefinetly
[19:44:19] <wjp> hmm...
[19:44:40] * wjp tries that
[19:44:46] <Erestar> I've tried it several times... Even jumped to Yew to see if he was there, but I wasn't really sure where to look
[19:45:24] <wjp> what version are you using?
[19:45:42] <Erestar> I tried it with yesterdays snap shot and the .9 Alpha
[19:45:51] <Erestar> Running on Windows 2000
[19:46:13] <Erestar> It didn't happen for you?
[19:46:24] <wjp> no...
[19:46:31] <Erestar> D'oh
[19:46:40] <wjp> ok, I've just created a new game
[19:46:59] <Erestar> It happens in Trinsic, if that matters at all.
[19:47:02] <wjp> Iolo left the party...
[19:47:17] <wjp> when/how does he disappear?
[19:47:26] <Erestar> Walk off the screen, then walk back
[19:47:42] <wjp> hmm, still there
[19:47:43] <Erestar> Let me see if it happens immedietly on a new game for me.
[19:47:49] <Erestar> Gah
[19:47:53] * wjp teleports halfway across Britannia
[19:48:09] <wjp> still there
[19:48:14] <wjp> hmmm
[19:49:22] <wjp> I think I do remember something about this on the mailing list
[19:50:19] <Erestar> I'm trying to reproduce it
[19:50:28] <Erestar> I was doing the same thing with both games
[19:50:38] <Erestar> It was after I got spark and was raiding the provisioner stone
[19:51:54] <Erestar> Ok, this time Spark disappeared
[19:52:12] <Erestar> I had Iolo leave first, then spark, ran around the block, came back, Spark was gone
[19:52:21] <wjp> yeah, spark disappeared here too
[19:52:29] <wjp> he went home, btw
[19:53:21] <Erestar> Yeah
[19:53:23] <Erestar> Just noticed ;)
[19:55:14] <Erestar> Last thing in stdout is spark being blocked a few times.
[19:55:21] <Erestar> Is the actual conversation in there somewhere?
[19:55:45] <wjp> not necessarily. (depends on options)
[19:56:30] <Erestar> That brings me to another question... Any suggestions on the best way to go about understanding this source?
[19:56:55] <wjp> hmmm... it is getting rather big, isn't it :-)
[19:57:40] <Erestar> Yessir ;)
[19:57:55] <wjp> hmm...
[19:58:02] <Erestar> I'm all right with Dirext X, and the SDL stuff looks pretty similar...
[19:58:10] <Erestar> Guess I'll just dive on in
[19:58:14] <wjp> yeah, but that's just the backend
[19:58:28] <wjp> it really depends on which area you want do focus on
[19:58:42] <wjp> (renderer, usecode, I/O, ...)
[19:59:01] <Erestar> What's concidered usecode?
[19:59:16] <wjp> usecode's the scripting language used by U7
[19:59:23] <Erestar> Not used to all this big project jargon ;)
[19:59:27] <Erestar> Ahh, gotcha
[20:00:03] <wjp> it's in the big 'usecode' file in the u7 static dir
[20:00:27] <wjp> (although it's not human-readable)
[20:00:48] <Erestar> Oh, well... Glad I just opened it ;)
[20:01:17] <Erestar> There some kinda tool to play with it?
[20:01:32] <wjp> yup
[20:01:39] <wjp> (hold on a sec, telephone)
[20:01:44] <Erestar> No prob
[20:03:12] <wjp> b
[20:03:41] <wjp> there's a disassembled usecode listing in the CVS
[20:04:08] <wjp> alternatively, you can use 'wud', which is in the exult tools directory.
[20:04:23] <wjp> not sure if it's in the windows distributions, though
[20:04:40] <Erestar> Gives me an excuse to put together a linux box again :p
[20:04:48] <wjp> :-)
[20:05:00] <wjp> you should be able to build it in windows, btw
[20:06:40] <Erestar> Mayhaps I'll give it a try
[20:06:49] <Erestar> Hang on... Gotta reboot. Have aweful things happening over here
[20:07:01] <wjp> I have to go (homework :-( )
[20:07:03] <Erestar> Ahh, seems ok now
[20:07:13] <Erestar> All right. Thanks for the time pal :)
[20:07:17] <wjp> thanks for the feedback :-)
[20:07:18] <Erestar> See ya again
[20:07:21] <wjp> see you later
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[21:05:34] <jameson> Hi!
[21:06:47] <jameson> Do any of you recall when the next alpha is supposed to be released?
[21:10:31] <wjp|away> hi
[21:10:41] <wjp|away> sometime this week, hopefully
[21:10:58] <jameson> I need to catch up with the Alpha port urgently.
[21:11:06] <wjp|away> :-)
[21:11:11] <jameson> Hardly have any time ATM...
[21:11:11] <wjp|away> the Beos port needs some work too :-)
[21:11:12] <jameson> :-/
[21:11:22] <wjp|away> yeah, I'm swamped too :-(
[21:11:33] <jameson> I just hope I'll be ready in time for the release.
[21:12:00] <wjp|away> anyway, back to my homework...
[21:12:05] <jameson> BTW, the idea with faking the -include flag by redefining the make rules with %.cc, while possible, doesn't really help that much.
[21:12:13] <jameson> So I won't try it.
[21:12:22] <wjp|away> I see
[21:12:42] <jameson> We'd still need to #ifndef a lot of #includes.
[21:13:00] <jameson> This sucks, but I don't see anything non-ugly to work around it.
[21:13:07] <jameson> OK, I don't want to keep you from your homework...
[21:13:18] <wjp|away> :-)
[21:13:22] <jameson> I guess I'd better continue with mine, too (due last friday)
[21:13:30] <wjp|away> mine's due this afternoon :-)
[21:13:41] <jameson> <g> :->
[21:14:03] <jameson> OK, have fun. I'll head back to "my" channel in case anybody wants to bother me with something.
[21:14:10] <wjp|away> k, see you later
[21:14:16] <jameson> Bye!
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