#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 5 Jan 2004 (GMT)

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[02:05:32] <coolball> i have a misplaced file i think
[02:05:50] <coolball> where should u7midi be? in my home dir?
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[03:06:29] <Zxcvb> does exult actually do saved games, or does it use save states instead?
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[03:35:27] <WishStone> G'Eve
[03:39:25] <Zxcvb> hi
[03:41:16] <coolball> hi
[03:41:22] <coolball> where should u7midi be? in my home dir?
[03:41:36] <Zxcvb> u7midi?
[03:41:45] <WishStone> *peeks in her own directories*
[03:41:58] <coolball> yes
[03:42:04] <Zxcvb> what is that?
[03:42:12] <coolball> beats me
[03:42:34] <coolball> should i try it in the midi player?
[03:43:09] <WishStone> Well, I never used the midis in game, I know a friend of miine did that somehow.
[03:43:35] <Zxcvb> just the music oggs and sqsfxbg/si
[03:44:22] <Zxcvb> any idea what the minimum exult requirements are?
[03:45:59] <WishStone> Hm, never played it on min, too modern PC, however I think a Win95 PC with a simple Pentium can handle Exult
[03:46:14] * WishStone points out that she's just a user and not one of the pro's ;]
[03:46:49] <Zxcvb> I wonder if a 486 is enough
[03:47:23] <WishStone> If it has Win95
[03:47:40] <Zxcvb> linux?
[03:48:32] <WishStone> Sure.. *looks up the linus stuff*
[03:48:47] <WishStone> lets see...
[03:48:51] <WishStone> What do you run?
[03:48:58] * WishStone is at http://exult.sourceforge.net/download.php
[03:49:11] <Zxcvb> it's for my backup laptop
[03:58:11] * coolball cant find any system requirements in the documentation or faq
[03:58:28] <WishStone> Indeed, because they write it for platforms...
[03:58:39] <WishStone> I guess if the OS runs, Exult will most likely run ;]
[03:59:07] <Zxcvb> apparently it doesn't even need a FPU (strongarm)
[04:06:48] <Darke> The lowest spec system I know of someone running it on, is a 133 pentium, no scalars, under linux. Apparently runs good.
[04:08:15] <WishStone> ooh, one of the masters awakrens :D Thanks!
[04:08:16] <Darke> On the windows side, you need a minimum 66mhz 486 to run win95, so I would presume maybe a 100 pentium? Don't know if we've minimally optimised the windows binary for a 586 or a 486 though, so I wouldn't try on anything smaller then a pentium.
[04:08:39] * Darke is a mere peon in the scheme of things. *grin*
[04:09:02] <WishStone> *chuckles*
[04:12:50] <Darke> The only 'real' way of finding out whether it'll work is to test it. After all some people strugglled through playing the original on a 386, it really depends upon the kind of jerkyness you're happy with. *grin*
[04:13:12] <WishStone> hey, no dissing the 386!!
[04:13:18] <WishStone> I did play U7 on one....
[04:13:28] <WishStone> ... after spending 3 days to get a bootdisk :P
[04:15:39] <Darke> Heh.
[04:19:21] <Zxcvb> linux runs fine on the 486/100, even x11
[04:19:43] <Zxcvb> even netscape 4.x (!)
[04:19:56] <Darke> Heh.
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[04:23:09] <WishStone> Well, I fear I'm just leeching off the devs of Exult, rejoycing to finally be able to play and possibly finish SI without cheating and bugs ;]
[04:24:39] <Zxcvb> found a nice bug in exult
[04:24:43] <WishStone> oh?
[04:25:10] <Zxcvb> in SI, cast mass might
[04:25:12] <Zxcvb> quickly quicksave and quickload
[04:25:30] * WishStone yawns, streches and goes afk to prepare breakfast for her hubby
[04:25:33] <WishStone> What happenes?
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[04:25:49] <Zxcvb> the increased stats are permanent provided you do not do anything that would alter your stats (such as get cursed or cast mass might again)
[04:26:06] <Wishy|afk> uuuh, nasty ;]
[04:26:32] <Zxcvb> it only works once, so the max you can get in SI is 60 str
[04:27:09] <Zxcvb> I mean if it wears off you can repeat it, but you can't boost your stats infinitely
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[08:17:58] <wjp> hi
[08:18:59] <Wishy|afk> Morning
[08:19:23] * Wishy|afk shuffles to get breakfast and then sleep
[08:19:28] * wjp yawns; yes, it's definitely morning :-)
[08:19:54] <wjp> breakfast and then sleep? in that order?
[08:20:39] <Wishy|afk> Well...
[08:20:47] <Wishy|afk> Didn't manage to find rest all night :/
[08:21:14] * Darke often has breakfast cerial as his 'dinner', and something cooked in the morning/lunch time, since he's usually tired and lazy at night. *grin*
[08:21:16] <wjp> ah :/
[08:21:25] * Wishy|afk grins at Drake
[08:21:27] <wjp> hi Darke
[08:21:36] <Wishy|afk> oopsie, Darke, sowwy
[08:21:44] * Wishy|afk blames it on her insomnia
[08:23:56] <Darke> Hiya! *bounce!* (See, it wasn't a 'Nanoo!' that time!)
[08:24:14] * wjp slaps Darke for the Nanoo in there anyway
[08:24:32] * Darke yips and rubs his cottontail. Hey! That hurts!
[08:24:51] * Darke quickly hops to the other side of the room from wjp.
[08:25:00] * Wishy|afk wonders why anyone could want cotton tails and blows a green smoke ring
[08:26:31] <wjp> would the fact that Darke is a (really weird) bunny explain things? :-)
[08:27:18] * Darke happens to be quite attached to his cottontail!
[08:27:46] * Darke hides to avoid being banished to the punilty box.
[08:27:49] <Wishy|afk> Hm... *wonders if UDIC dragons have bunnies for breakfast*
[08:28:33] <Darke> No, afaik, you have Avatars for breakfast, I've never seen a dragon attack a bunny, or eat them. Other then Colourless, but he's a weird dragon, and never eaten me. *noddle*
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[10:26:45] <Colourless> hi
[10:28:36] <wjp> hi
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[13:24:29] <Wishy|afk> [09:28] <Wishy|afk> Hm... *wonders if UDIC dragons have bunnies for breakfast*
[13:24:29] <Wishy|afk> [09:29] <Darke> No, afaik, you have Avatars for breakfast, I've never seen a dragon attack a bunny, or eat them. Other then Colourless, but he's a weird dragon, and never eaten me. *noddle*
[13:28:03] <Colourless> :-)
[13:28:22] * Wishy|afk smiles
[13:28:30] <Wishy|afk> So, Good day, Weird Dragon ;]
[13:28:34] <Colourless> don't trust the bunny
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[13:29:02] <WishStone> Why? It's fuzzy. Makes a nice pillow I'm sure!
[13:30:11] <Colourless> the bunny likes causing trouble
[13:30:26] * Darke is purely innocent! Really!
[13:31:00] <Colourless> yeah, that's what you always say
[13:31:05] <Colourless> but we know better
[13:31:23] <WishStone> Mhmmmmmmmmmmm
[13:32:50] <Colourless> p.s. it doesn't take me 30 minutes to restart my computer
[13:33:07] <WishStone> Oh I had that on occasions...
[13:33:55] <Colourless> takes about 2 minutes, then another 28 minutes for me to remember to reconnect irc
[13:34:40] <WishStone> *grins* *looks in the UDIC page to find out the nale of the other Dragon type* Oh, nice name :]
[13:35:02] <WishStone> (And cute last name :P)
[13:35:15] <Darke> Colourless: Easy solution: Reboot once every 2-3 momths like I do.
[13:35:57] <Colourless> I'm running windows remember :-)
[13:36:30] <Colourless> haven't been to the udic page in... years
[13:36:56] * WishStone hangs out in the UDIC IRC room
[13:37:06] <WishStone> My Dragon heritage keeps me sane in UO ;]
[13:37:43] <WishStone> I just have to close my eyes now and again and mumble: This is just the wrong shard of the gem of imortalety, this is just the wrong shard, one day you'll wake up and everything is allright....
[13:38:02] <Darke> Heh.
[13:40:54] <Colourless> wow, the udic page actually has an email address for me that will actually work. I must have been there within the last 18 months :-)
[13:43:09] <WishStone> *grins* Well, I think in these days other methods should be more advisable for the UDIC... like ICQ or MSN...
[13:43:19] <WishStone> the public eMail listing only generates spam *sighs*
[13:44:15] <Colourless> well, us Exult team members also have our email addresses on the About us page.
[13:46:45] * Colourless laughs. While the email address on the udic will work, the email address on the Exult About Us page wont :-)
[13:47:08] <WishStone> so much for THAT *chuckles*
[13:47:35] * Colourless updates it
[13:48:15] * WishStone promises not to tell anyone
[13:52:24] <Darke> That doesn't work. exultbot sees all! exultbot *knows* all!
[13:52:36] <WishStone> Then kill it :P
[13:52:52] <Darke> (exultbot *needs* to start it's name with a capital letter!)
[13:53:12] * Darke toupper()'s wjp whilst he's at it.
[13:55:45] * WishStone reads her guilds board and moans
[13:55:59] <WishStone> Well, my GUILD certainly isn't enhancing my UO experience ....
[13:56:42] <Darke> Hrm?
[13:57:27] * Darke polishes WishStone's UO Experience(tm) and puts it back up on the shelf. There, much nicer.
[13:57:35] <WishStone> Thankies Darke ;]
[13:58:55] <WishStone> It's my own bloody fault. I'm guildleader. They get stuck with all the stuff others want to have the enjoyment from but don't want to work for. Like the homepage. Boards. Organizing hunts. Updating content. Etc, aso, asf
[13:59:28] <WishStone> Problem is: The minute I leave as guildleader, the guild will die, because no one else bothers about it and I invested too much damn time to let THAT happen ;]
[13:59:46] <Darke> Ahh.
[13:59:47] * Colourless knew better than be involved with UO :-)
[13:59:53] <WishStone> Smart man :]
[14:00:06] * Darke polishes Colourless and puts him up on the shelf beside WishStone's UO Experience(tm).
[14:00:18] * Darke also knew better then to be involved with UO. *grin*
[14:00:18] * Colourless does crazy things like program ultima engine remakes
[14:00:37] <WishStone> UXO sounds promising I guess... but sadly it looks like it's 80% PvP, 10%RP and the last 10% get lost in the void of EA
[14:00:39] * Darke does crazy things like polishing transparent dragons.
[14:01:07] <Darke> I susprisng amount of stuff seems to get lost in there.
[14:01:18] <WishStone> Will you cry tears of sadness or joy once Exult is perfect? :]
[14:01:46] <Colourless> no, i'd be like, thank god it's finally finished, which will be never though
[14:01:59] <Colourless> someone will always want some new feature
[14:02:10] <Colourless> that said, i do very much on exult any more
[14:02:27] <Darke> Open source projects are never perfect, they just go on in perpetuaty, or die a slow death... until someone else is insane enough to pick it up and run with it again. *grin*
[14:02:48] <Colourless> i'm actually waiting for v1.2 to be release and i'm rewrite certain sections
[14:03:33] * WishStone ponders about lunch and goes have a peek in the fridge
[14:04:38] * wjp wonders why he's suddenly in uppercase
[14:05:44] <wjp> leave the channel for an hour and people start changing you to uppercase... *sigh*... what is the world coming to
[14:06:13] * Darke looks innocent and points at Colourless. He did it!
[14:06:25] <Colourless> well you should have put your self in read only memory!
[14:06:38] <Colourless> or you name at least
[14:07:27] <Colourless> wjp, can you ssh into sf and update thhe exult webpage from cvs. I just can't seem to log in
[14:07:38] <wjp> I had the same problem earlier today
[14:08:18] <wjp> and it still isn't working
[14:08:22] <WishStone> The fear of every webmaster....
[14:08:34] <WishStone> ...a page with a mind of it's own
[14:09:31] <Colourless> we're talking about sourceforge here. We expect it. At almost every Exult release 2 things happen
[14:09:38] <Colourless> 1) Jeff goes on vacation
[14:09:42] <Colourless> 2) Sourceforge goes down
[14:09:56] <wjp> 3) 2 days after releasing we find a show-stopping bug :-)
[14:10:10] <WishStone> Ah, the Law of Sourceforge? ;]
[14:10:26] <Colourless> no, the law of exult it woudl seem
[14:11:15] * WishStone returns to her leftover stir fry for a bit
[14:13:30] <WishStone> You guys know of a bug where the farry in Skara isn't NPC controled?
[14:14:08] <wjp> the one from the forum?
[14:14:13] <WishStone> *nods*
[14:14:16] <wjp> no
[14:14:39] <WishStone> Guess he got lucky then ;]
[14:15:45] <wjp> haven't tried the ferry in ages, though
[14:16:23] <Colourless> a 'silly' probably exult had was you had to retalk to the ferryman once you sat down
[14:16:44] <Colourless> that problem was fixed at some stage though
[14:16:45] <wjp> uh, parse error
[14:17:07] <Colourless> s/probably/problem/
[14:17:25] <wjp> interesting typo :-)
[14:17:40] <Colourless> yeah well, it's me doing that typing
[14:17:54] <WishStone> showoff ;]
[14:18:02] * WishStone sits down and munches
[14:19:41] * wjp yawns while compiling exult
[14:20:20] <Colourless> why don't you figure out why compiling exult is so slow while waiting for it to compile
[14:23:11] <Darke> He hasn't upgraded to gcc3.4 which has PCH?
[14:23:28] <wjp> you mean PCH is _finally_ in the gcc tree?
[14:24:03] <Darke> It's been in what's going to be 3.4 for... err... probably a year now?
[14:24:06] <Colourless> well, once you have PCH support, it means you are going to modify exult to actually use a PCH file
[14:25:41] <wjp> hm, probably
[14:26:03] <Colourless> in pentagram, you only need to modify your compiler options
[14:26:32] <wjp> hm, it takes more work for exult?
[14:26:51] <Colourless> exult doesn't have a header setup to be a precompiled header
[14:27:09] <wjp> well, you can have gcc automatically include a file before every source file
[14:28:47] <Colourless> then you need to decide which file to use as a pch
[14:35:43] <wjp> well, it finished all the subdirs
[14:36:03] <Colourless> only 15 minutes !
[14:36:03] <Darke> Now you've got the other half of the files to go?
[14:36:11] <Colourless> seems to be getting slower the faster your CPU is
[14:38:27] <wjp> a file like actors.cc took over 10 seconds to compile
[14:39:28] <wjp> and it's "only" 50K lines after preprocessing :-)
[14:40:02] <Colourless> :-)
[14:42:07] <Colourless> took about 7 seconds here with a pch
[14:42:50] <Colourless> about 14 seconds without one
[14:45:24] <wjp> pentagram's UCMachine.cpp is about 41K lines
[14:45:48] <Colourless> and how long did it take?
[14:46:16] <wjp> 12s
[14:46:46] <wjp> (actors.cc takes 15)
[14:46:58] <Colourless> for me UCMachine.cpp takes 11s
[14:48:31] <Colourless> i can get it down to 7 seconds if i include all it's includes in pent_include.g
[14:48:39] <Colourless> s/.g/.h/
[14:50:14] <Darke> wjp: Do you use ccache?
[14:50:18] <wjp> no
[14:50:55] <Darke> Might be worth it. I get around a 30% hit rate on my cache as my user. This is only when I'm compiling pentagram/exult too.
[14:50:56] <wjp> Ferry works fine for me
[14:51:05] <WishStone> Dito
[14:51:29] <Darke> Ferry?
[14:51:33] <Colourless> i wont bother checking the ferry
[14:51:45] <Darke> Ahh.
[14:51:46] <wjp> Skara Brae ferry
[14:52:12] <Colourless> actually i will using 1.1b3
[14:52:14] <wjp> although it turns in a rather weird way when returning to the mainland
[14:52:32] <Colourless> it's not supposed to t
[14:52:34] <Colourless> turn
[14:54:09] <Colourless> ok, 1.1b3 seems to require double clicking when sitting
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[14:55:08] <Colourless> and it turns
[14:55:10] <Colourless> messing up the ferry
[14:55:15] <wjp> 'messing up'?
[14:55:23] <wjp> it does turn here, but other than that things look ok
[14:55:36] <Colourless> some of the shapes overlap incorrectly
[14:55:46] <Colourless> of course it's not supposed to turn at all :-)
[14:55:57] <Colourless> regardless of the fact that it may look ok
[14:56:06] <wjp> well, the turning itself looks rather bad :-)
[14:57:09] <wjp> oh, no, you're right; the ferry is messed up a bit after the turn
[14:57:30] <wjp> just didn't particularly notice it the first time, somehow
[15:02:14] <wjp> bbl
[15:02:54] <Colourless> k
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[16:30:30] <wjp> going home; bbl
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