#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 5 Jul 2014 (GMT)

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[14:11:50] <sh4rm4> why does the exult page has no link to the bugtracker, and not even to the sf.net project site ?
[14:12:11] <sh4rm4> and why is the forums link not called forums, but discussion ?
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[14:17:07] <sh4rm4> gosh, the sf.net page is so fscking slow
[14:17:17] <sh4rm4> trying since 5 minutes to get to the bugtracker
[14:22:09] <sh4rm4> after the login: forced to create new password... then:
[14:22:13] <sh4rm4> Congratulations. You have changed your password.
[14:22:13] <sh4rm4> You should now Log in to continue.
[14:27:34] <Dominus> sh4rm4: we have a page called LINKS which has both project page and bug tracker listed right away
[14:28:01] <Dominus> and does it matter whether we call the forum discussion?
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[14:29:28] <sh4rm4> these days everyone knows what forum means, and it makes it more clear
[14:29:36] <Dominus> and yeah, how dare they force you to create a new password?
[14:30:04] <sh4rm4> yeah that sucks
[14:30:05] <Dominus> but does it really matter whether you call it one or the other?
[14:30:23] <Dominus> security to hell!!!
[14:30:42] <sh4rm4> well i clicked discussion because i thought it may lead to the bug tracker
[14:31:21] <Dominus> well you are the first to complain in a dozen years ;)
[14:31:24] <sh4rm4> how is it secure when i can log in with the presumably insecure password, but then have to change it right away ?
[14:31:43] <sh4rm4> and then logged out again ?
[14:31:57] <sh4rm4> in my case the sf.net pages take like 5 minutes to load
[14:32:09] <Dominus> it's more secure than doing nothing
[14:32:09] <sh4rm4> i'm glad that the password change form worked at all
[14:32:55] <sh4rm4> if there had been a submission error/timeout, it may have left my users status somewhere in between "old password invalid, password change in process"
[14:33:14] <sh4rm4> without a way to get back to a valid password change form again
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[14:33:34] <Dominus> it's bad when the site is slow but that's just bad luck
[14:33:54] <Dominus> don't be so Austrian "hättiwäri"
[14:34:15] <Dominus> nothing happened
[14:37:17] <Dominus> thanks for passing on the bug
[14:38:45] <sh4rm4> well imo it is OK, albeit inconvenient to be forced to change the pwd now and then
[14:38:50] <sh4rm4> however not this way
[14:39:12] <sh4rm4> they should've sent an email with a proper password change link and some token
[14:39:36] <sh4rm4> "password change required in the next 2 weeks, use above link to do so"
[14:40:01] <sh4rm4> so i could have made it when i have access to a good connection and not in the middle of reporting a bug
[14:41:10] <wjp> you mean the email from 22 May 2014?
[14:41:21] <Dominus> i think this was a heartbleed ssl thing
[14:41:56] <Dominus> and IMO it's very inconvenient to force a password change RIGHTNOW
[14:41:59] <Dominus> but
[14:42:10] <Dominus> the right thing to do
[14:43:15] <Dominus> rather force once than having people that click always on "not now"
[14:45:30] <Dominus> ah yes, you should have been warned about this by the mail from the 21st or 22nd May
[14:47:32] <sh4rm4> only mail in that timespan in my inbox is "BestMedicineHere"
[14:48:46] <sh4rm4> wouldnt be surprised if their email job was buggy, like the site
[14:49:43] <sh4rm4> sigh, trying since 10 minutes to post this comment
[14:49:46] <sh4rm4> "either remove the usage of the ogg.m4 specific test macro, or embed it into the source tree (albeit when i looked at ogg.m4 it used bogus proprietary logic a la "wx-config", "libmikmod-config", "apr-1-config" etc, which are all pkgconfig clones although without proper cross-compile/sysroot support, so this may preclude cross-compilation, as it seems to use $prefix and not $sysroot/$prefix - sysroot support was added to autoconf about 4 years ago but i
[14:49:46] <sh4rm4> doubt that external ogg.m4 was also adapted...)."
[14:51:48] <sh4rm4> it's almost always a bad idea to rely on vendor-specific proprietary build-configuration tools
[14:52:01] <sh4rm4> since the guys that wrote them are usually not experts in the domain
[14:53:18] <Dominus> i wouldn't be surprised if you messed up your sf mail settings yourself...
[14:53:49] <Dominus> out of your often stated SF disgust
[14:53:58] <Dominus> or was that paulo?
[14:54:21] <sh4rm4> oh yeah, that could be possible. given the ton of options hidden in dozens of configuration "applets" which is totally counter-intuitive...
[14:54:41] <sh4rm4> srsly the sf.net site is broken beyond repair
[14:54:50] <sh4rm4> the only thing its good for is hosting tarballs
[14:55:36] <sh4rm4> ever tried to use the mailing list archive viewer ? it's a huge joke
[14:55:36] <Dominus> it is not ideal anymore but not THAT bad
[14:55:50] <sh4rm4> or their svn browser...
[14:55:50] <Dominus> yes, it's not good
[14:56:04] <Dominus> svn browser works fine for me
[14:56:21] <sh4rm4> every time i post a new tarball to my sf.net project, i have to manually set that tarball as the "latest"
[14:56:27] <Dominus> bug tracker has become annoying but so are most others
[14:57:05] <sh4rm4> and every time it takes searching 10 minutes for the right option in the interface, and then search in my mails to find the mail from the support guy who described how i can get there
[14:57:24] <Dominus> anyway SF site works normally for me right now. no lag.
[14:57:49] <sh4rm4> yeah i have a shitty wi-fi conn
[14:57:50] <Dominus> not in the nagging mood right now
[14:58:07] <sh4rm4> since the router is about 100M away, my uplink barely works...
[14:58:21] <sh4rm4> but other pages behave well
[14:58:36] <sh4rm4> it's just sf.net which does a huge amount of shoving data back and forth
[14:58:50] <sh4rm4> so it only works well with a good conn
[14:59:59] <sh4rm4> it's kinda like they would load stuff from 50 different servers
[15:00:22] <sh4rm4> google this, google that, sf.net this, sf.net that, ...
[15:01:55] <sh4rm4> or maybe it's just that their m$ internet information server/ASP services cant deal with packet loss
[15:04:23] <sh4rm4> or it refuses to Keep-Alive/connection reuse (so you have to create a new HTTPS session handshake for every snippet)
[15:06:49] <sh4rm4> 4th click on "try again" on the "The server at sourceforge.net is taking too long to respond." firefox error page...
[15:07:25] <sh4rm4> Dominus, could you do me a favor and post the above comment for me ?
[15:07:47] <sh4rm4> i didnt intend to spend 30 minutes fighting with sf.net for this
[15:08:06] <sh4rm4> actually one hour
[15:09:09] <sh4rm4> ok i give up
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