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[22:15:19] <DraX> hmm
[22:15:29] <wjp> hi
[22:15:36] <DraX> i'm almost certain the problems come from SDL
[22:15:38] <DraX> and not exult
[22:16:53] <wjp> I saw you popping in yesterday about the ultima 7 poster :-)
[22:17:00] <wjp> 35$?
[22:17:22] <DraX> i THINK
[22:17:37] <DraX> at 300 dpi
[22:17:46] <DraX> it's 6ftx6ft
[22:17:55] <DraX> so at 600dpi it's 3ftx3ft which is poster size
[22:17:56] <wjp> yup, quite big
[22:18:00] <DraX> and poster size costs $35
[22:18:19] <wjp> 3ft x 3ft is kind of a large (not to mention square) poster, though
[22:18:34] <DraX> very true
[22:18:44] <DraX> but i think it''s better then a cloth map
[22:18:53] <DraX> :)
[22:18:57] <DraX> do you have any of the cloth maps?
[22:19:05] <wjp> stupid non-metric measures... why don't you people use meters? ;-)
[22:19:16] <wjp> yeah, I have BG and U8 cloth maps
[22:19:21] <DraX> wjp, i wish i could, but i've been trained to fuck things up :)
[22:19:21] <wjp> and a SI paper map
[22:19:32] <wjp> :-)
[22:19:34] <DraX> i got u4 and u8
[22:19:38] <DraX> and then the atlas
[22:19:42] <DraX> i try as often as i can
[22:19:48] <DraX> but i'm so used to inchs and feet
[22:19:54] <DraX> i don't use F for tempature though :)
[22:19:57] <wjp> I'm slowly getting used to them too ;-)
[22:20:07] <wjp> I think I might be online too often :-)
[22:20:42] <DraX> slouken(the big SDL guy :) is going to try to get SDL working well on openbsd
[22:20:56] <wjp> ah, nice
[22:21:14] <DraX> it's got to be slow as hell for him
[22:21:17] <DraX> on dialup
[22:21:21] <DraX> he worked at it last night
[22:21:28] <wjp> dialup?
[22:21:37] <DraX> modems
[22:21:43] <DraX> i'm on dialup
[22:21:44] <wjp> yeah, I know... :-)
[22:21:51] <wjp> he was working on your box?
[22:22:03] <DraX> ya
[22:22:07] <wjp> I see
[22:22:08] <DraX> Login: slouken Name: slouken
[22:22:09] <DraX> Directory: /home/slouken Shell: /bin/zsh
[22:22:09] <DraX> On since Sun Mar 4 19:23 (EST) on ttyp3, idle 21:26, from cx69975-b.alsv1.
[22:22:09] <DraX> No Mail.
[22:22:09] <DraX> No Plan.
[22:22:19] <wjp> cool :-)
[22:22:23] <DraX> it's an openbsd box with a user there to give information too
[22:22:39] <DraX> i tried to build cvs on my beos5 box, and it screwed up on cheat_screen...
[22:22:48] <DraX> but i didn't have time to actully look at it
[22:22:50] <wjp> hmm... I don't think I tried that yet in Be
[22:23:11] <DraX> i have exult alpha2 running though
[22:23:12] <DraX> it's great
[22:23:26] <wjp> I've got a 1 Gb BeOS partition stashed away on my HD somewhere. I only use it the night before an exult release :-)
[22:23:48] <DraX> wjp, well i have a dedicated be box :)
[22:24:03] <wjp> btw, do you get big delays when you cross a superchunk boundary in Be?
[22:24:15] <DraX> superchunk?
[22:24:27] <wjp> a largish part of the game world
[22:24:37] <DraX> i was alt+t'ing around, and there would be a stall before it would give me control back
[22:24:39] <wjp> there's a boundary a bit to the left of where you start
[22:24:43] <DraX> so i guess the answer is yes
[22:24:53] <wjp> it's much worse in Be than in Linux
[22:25:06] <DraX> it's like 5-10 seconds on be i would estimate
[22:25:31] <wjp> hmm.. that's really a lot
[22:25:50] <DraX> well it's prolly more like 3, but i would say 5 because i see it as more
[22:25:56] <wjp> :-)
[22:26:00] <wjp> 3 sounds about right
[22:26:01] <DraX> i was messing with SI, if you try to open the spell book is crashes
[22:26:12] <wjp> I don't think that has been implemented yet
[22:26:38] <DraX> in SI, or at all :)
[22:26:40] <DraX> ?
[22:26:44] <wjp> SI
[22:27:00] <DraX> also in SI, it dosen't take your weapons away when you start
[22:27:04] <DraX> so you still have mega bane
[22:27:14] <wjp> mage bane :-)
[22:27:19] <DraX> you don't get hurt from cold in the far north is another thing
[22:27:21] <DraX> :P
[22:27:29] <DraX> SI is unplayable
[22:27:34] <wjp> yup
[22:27:44] <wjp> it isn't meant to be playable yet :-)
[22:28:16] <DraX> also u7 crashed when i was at the generator in the meditation retreat, and the fighter aproched me
[22:28:21] <DraX> when i went to combat mode
[22:28:26] <DraX> it seg faulted
[22:28:28] <wjp> alpha2?
[22:28:36] <DraX> i was alt+t'ing around
[22:28:39] <wjp> or recent cvs?
[22:28:44] <DraX> so it might be that i wasn't playing in the right order
[22:28:46] <DraX> alpha2
[22:28:57] <wjp> that has a lot of combat-related bugs
[22:29:21] <DraX> ya, like people don't fight back
[22:29:29] <wjp> random teleport-related crashes, too
[22:29:37] <DraX> and i don't seem to see the guard stuff implemented
[22:29:38] <wjp> yes, and the throwing-swords bug
[22:29:43] <DraX> where if you steal/kill people
[22:29:49] <DraX> the guards dont' come
[22:30:05] <wjp> I think there are guards, but I'm not sure when they're supposed to arrive
[22:30:43] <DraX> i didn't have my book with the lon/lad for the mayor
[22:30:49] <DraX> so i decided to just cheat
[22:30:52] <wjp> :-)
[22:31:05] <wjp> I should look up my manual too, sometime :-)
[22:31:39] <DraX> sort of nice to go to serpent isle, and get into the weapon room
[22:32:01] <DraX> you can't teleport into rooms in a higher level
[22:32:07] <DraX> it always puts you on the bottom level
[22:32:12] <DraX> so you can't teleport onto steps
[22:32:14] <wjp> true
[22:32:15] <DraX> you teleport into the steps
[22:32:26] <DraX> which sucks
[22:32:34] <DraX> like if you want into lb's weapon room
[22:32:45] <DraX> you fall into the bricks underneath
[22:32:47] <wjp> just pop the roof and steal things from outside :-)
[22:33:07] <wjp> or you could try just pulling the lever :-)
[22:33:50] <DraX> wjp, thats just an example
[22:33:59] <wjp> yeah, I know
[22:34:07] <wjp> the problem is coming up with a good way to make it work
[22:34:24] <DraX> you can detect if an object i solid
[22:35:28] <DraX> i would think you could make it put you on the first solid object
[22:35:51] <DraX> lag: 54
[22:35:52] <wjp> should be possible
[22:35:58] <DraX> wow
[22:36:00] <wjp> ms?
[22:36:05] <DraX> seconds
[22:36:12] <wjp> seconds?!?
[22:36:23] <wjp> --- Ping reply from DraX : 2.42 second(s)
[22:36:25] <DraX> not anymore, but a second ago it was
[22:36:50] <wjp> wow, that might be almost as bad as my connection :-)
[22:37:37] <DraX> heh
[22:37:48] <wjp> (usually a ping of about 200ms to my gateway, 12% packet loss, 4Kb/s...)
[22:37:48] <DraX> i need to reconnect, but my sister isn't in a good mood and i'd perfer not to suggest it
[22:37:56] <DraX> eww
[22:38:00] <wjp> ?
[22:38:17] <wjp> (and it's actually cable...)
[22:38:27] <DraX> thanks to the wonders of NAT, my sister can use the internet also :)
[22:38:38] <wjp> ah yes, I have that here too
[22:39:02] <DraX> and she's not in a good mood, so i won't suggest reconnecting
[22:39:21] <DraX> it seems i've been able to find an monitor for $100, that will work for my HP workstation
[22:39:31] <wjp> yeah, my brother usually doesn't like reconnecting either :-)
[22:39:41] <DraX> which means i might be able to play around with getting a HP-UX port of exult
[22:39:42] <wjp> not bad
[22:39:47] <wjp> heh :-)
[22:39:50] <DraX> 17"
[22:39:55] <DraX> Sun/SGI/Sony monitor
[22:39:56] <wjp> I think we used to have HP-UX workstations at the univ.
[22:40:09] <wjp> but they removed them somewhere last year
[22:40:46] <DraX> the machine is 50lb(??kg :)
[22:40:59] <wjp> ouch
[22:41:35] <DraX> fastwide scsi drive, 64mb ram, 99mhz proc :)
[22:41:54] <DraX> so i wonder how far into the compile SDL will get
[22:42:02] <DraX> i'm going for two files in
[22:42:23] <wjp> :-)
[22:43:56] <DraX> wjp, if i have the hardware, i'll try to build exult on it
[22:44:05] <DraX> and i collect hardware :)
[22:44:10] <wjp> heh :-)
[22:45:19] <wjp> LOL: someone hacked the announcement board at the CS department of my univ.: "ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!"
[22:45:33] <DraX> where is that from
[22:45:49] <wjp> that "ALL YOUR BASE..." thing?
[22:45:55] <DraX> ya
[22:46:13] <DraX> my friend nad me have been trying to figure it out
[22:46:18] <DraX> everyone is saying it now
[22:46:24] <wjp> hold on... I'll see if I can find a link
[22:48:52] <wjp> hmm... where did I put that thing?
[22:54:23] <wjp> if you have flash: http://icculus.org/misc/AYB2.swf
[22:54:49] <DraX> i don't but i'll look at it later on the windows box, or at school :)
[22:54:55] * DraX emails it to himselfs
[22:57:22] <DraX> i want os/2
[22:57:27] <wjp> it's not really the source of the whole thing, btw
[22:57:42] <wjp> it originally was the introduction to some ancient game, IIRC
[22:57:45] <wjp> os/2 ?
[22:57:50] <wjp> you do?
[22:57:54] <DraX> ya i do
[22:59:27] <DraX> i think the game is "blood"
[23:00:23] <wjp> Zero Wing
[23:00:37] <wjp> according to this bit from my IRC logs
[23:01:21] <wjp> <lerfy> <skel-> ...is even weirder. The beginning part is from the US translation of
[23:01:25] <wjp> <lerfy> the old game Zero Wing. I think it's done by some Korean company?
[23:01:28] <wjp> <lerfy> Anyway, someone posted the original animated GIF of the intro onto
[23:01:31] <wjp> <lerfy> a Unreal Tournament message board:
[23:01:34] <wjp> <lerfy> <skel-> Anyway, some people thought it was so funny, they started posting
[23:01:38] <wjp> <lerfy> Photoshop edited files to say shit from the game. It went on for a
[23:01:41] <wjp> <lerfy> couple weeks, and it was so funny someone suggested they print them
[23:01:44] <wjp> <lerfy> all out and make a coffee table book....and instead, a few days la
[23:01:48] <wjp> <lerfy> thats how the .swf came about
[23:02:04] <DraX> thats it
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[23:06:49] <wjp> hey Max
[23:06:53] <DraX> hey
[23:07:10] <Fingolfin> loooo!!!
[23:07:22] <Fingolfin> glad to cya again ;)
[23:08:01] <Fingolfin> so, what did I all miss?
[23:08:08] <Fingolfin> oh, BTW, I finished The Stone of Tears!!!!
[23:08:16] <wjp> just some ALL YOUR BASE stuff :-)
[23:08:25] <wjp> hey, great
[23:08:33] <wjp> got Blood of the Fold yet?
[23:08:49] <Fingolfin> the books *are* pretty... "brutal", in a way.. with all those people getting tortured & skinnned etc. but they are great anyway
[23:08:51] <Fingolfin> yeah
[23:08:55] <Fingolfin> just begun reading that ;)
[23:09:01] <Fingolfin> ALL YOUR BASE? ;)
[23:09:18] <DraX> Fingolfin, what are these books?
[23:09:19] <Fingolfin> that is a really great vid ;)
[23:09:24] <Fingolfin> DraX: Fantasy
[23:09:26] <wjp> someone hacked the digital announcement board at our CS department ;-)
[23:09:29] <Fingolfin> DraX: by Terry Goodkind
[23:09:33] <Fingolfin> hehehe
[23:09:39] <DraX> Fingolfin, i take it i can get them in the us?
[23:09:39] <wjp> see http://lore.liacs.nl/
[23:09:49] <Fingolfin> DraX: sure
[23:09:53] <Fingolfin> they are from the US after all ;)
[23:09:57] <DraX> heh
[23:10:00] <DraX> are they worth reading?
[23:10:12] <wjp> yup :-)
[23:10:14] <Fingolfin> wjp: where did you hear about all your base is us, btw? ;)
[23:10:23] <Fingolfin> drax: they are *awesome*
[23:10:23] <DraX> brb
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[23:10:48] <wjp> well... I started picking up random things about it, until I decided to browse some /. stories at -1 to find a link :-)
[23:11:20] <wjp> now I've got this weird AYB2.swf file
[23:11:53] <Fingolfin> hmmm.... it's mentioned at /. ?? Oh well, I learned about it shortly after it was released, since I am on a Hotline server, where a lot of "in" doodz hang around ;)
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[23:12:02] <Fingolfin> not that I usually care
[23:12:03] <Fingolfin> wb
[23:12:05] <wjp> heh :-)
[23:12:08] <Fingolfin> but the movie is great ;)
[23:12:09] <DraX> whats the first book?
[23:12:16] <wjp> Wizard's First Rule
[23:12:18] <Fingolfin> The Wizard's First Rule
[23:12:23] <wjp> author is Terry Goodkind
[23:12:25] <Fingolfin> wjp beats me ;)
[23:12:34] <Fingolfin> I got the "Tor Book" edition
[23:12:35] <wjp> I skipped the 'The' ;-)
[23:12:38] <Fingolfin> hehe
[23:12:42] <wjp> yeah, I got that one too
[23:12:43] <DraX> i'll either hit the librus, or the book store when i get a chance
[23:12:49] <Fingolfin> do it!
[23:12:50] <Fingolfin> but
[23:12:54] <DraX> although i'm not quite so fond of fantasy
[23:12:56] <Fingolfin> it is nothing for small kids or weenies ;)
[23:13:34] <Fingolfin> I mean, there are a lot of *really* cruel and mean things described in there. I wouldn't want my kids to read it if I had ones, and if they were very young... ;)
[23:13:56] <DraX> Fingolfin, censorship is bad
[23:14:03] <Fingolfin> of course ;)
[23:14:23] <Fingolfin> well, I mean: I guess most small kids would get nightmares ;)
[23:15:39] <DraX> heh
[23:15:58] <Fingolfin> and teenies propable find it "cooool". I think some stuff in there is *really* disgustiing. However, it is described and done in a way that makes that fits perfectly in. I mean, the book itself is great; the evil ones in there are mean, and the author simply describes it full detailed
[23:16:14] <Fingolfin> not like: "....and then they closed the doors, and only screams where to be heared" or such a bullshit ;)
[23:16:26] <Fingolfin> instead, full details
[23:16:26] <DraX> it describes, oh goody
[23:16:32] <DraX> i don't get bothered by books
[23:16:41] <DraX> as long as i don't have to see any of it
[23:17:06] <wjp> brb
[23:18:45] <Fingolfin> hehe
[23:20:12] <Fingolfin> well, I like it a lot! I know books which just seem to be a way for the author to describe one bruatlity after the other, with no other purpose. What I try to say is that while this book has very brutal stuff, it is just one facet of it; and it completly fits in. And of course there are books which are *far* worse, it is not that bad. But still, I think most small (less than 10?) kids would be scared
[23:20:14] <Fingolfin> ;)
[23:20:23] <Fingolfin> and I am against censoring, too ;)
[23:20:39] <Fingolfin> and anyway, the important thing about this book is the story and the great charachters
[23:20:49] <DraX> i'll see about picking one up
[23:20:55] <DraX> but i don't usually like fantasy
[23:20:58] <DraX> sans the hobbit
[23:21:38] <Fingolfin> in other books, I often find myself thinkgin "why does this guyact so stupid" or "I never would endure that, I would hit back" or so... in this book, I really have the feeling the actors are real human beings ;)
[23:21:42] <Fingolfin> like you and me, so to say
[23:22:02] <Fingolfin> even though e.g. the main actor, Richard, does super-human things from time to time... still, his character is very human
[23:22:07] <Fingolfin> in some ways at least ;)
[23:22:12] <Fingolfin> ah what am i babbeling
[23:22:16] <Fingolfin> just read it ;)
[23:22:26] <DraX> heh
[23:22:41] <Fingolfin> and if you don't like it, that's ok, of course, we are not judging anyone based on his reading preferences ;))
[23:22:46] <wjp> b
[23:23:40] <DraX> i have to finish the republic
[23:23:42] <DraX> but once i'm done
[23:23:50] <Fingolfin> the replublic ?!?
[23:24:01] <Fingolfin> republic even
[23:24:03] <Fingolfin> what's that?
[23:24:25] <DraX> Plato's "THe Republic"
[23:24:35] <wjp> ah, that republic
[23:25:45] <DraX> just finnished the importance of being earnest
[23:26:05] <Fingolfin> ah
[23:26:13] <wjp> umm... that sounds familiar...
[23:26:21] <DraX> Oscar WIlde
[23:26:28] <wjp> ah, right
[23:26:52] <wjp> my english literature classes are beginning to fade from memory :-(
[23:27:34] <DraX> wjp, i have to live with it every day
[23:28:59] <wjp> hmm... I should go to bed
[23:29:02] <wjp> g'night
[23:29:05] <DraX> cya
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[23:29:28] <Fingolfin> DraX: what are you doing in real life, BTW?
[23:29:50] <DraX> Fingolfin, going to school
[23:30:00] <Fingolfin> I see
[23:30:13] <Fingolfin> I am studying Mathematics and computer science in my first year
[23:30:20] * DraX is a youngin </southeran accent>
[23:30:26] <Fingolfin> hehe ;)
[23:30:36] <Fingolfin> age does not matter
[23:30:43] <Fingolfin> well
[23:30:47] <Fingolfin> unless you want to buy a beer ;)
[23:30:48] <DraX> agreed
[23:30:51] <DraX> haha
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