#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 5 Nov 2002 (GMT)

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[00:00:18] <wjp> glad to know it worked
[00:00:47] <Khumash-Gor> yeah, I'm ignorant sometimes, I didn't know that you had to load up the object first then create it, hehe.
[00:01:01] <Khumash-Gor> I was just sitting there hitting create item saying, duhh why don't this work
[00:01:04] <Khumash-Gor> hehe
[00:01:15] <wjp> kind of confusing that there's also a create item option in the f2 menu, I guess
[00:01:22] <Khumash-Gor> that too.
[00:01:33] <Khumash-Gor> what feature is that for later on?
[00:02:38] <wjp> I don't think it will be added
[00:02:45] <Khumash-Gor> ah
[00:03:01] <wjp> it's probably just there because it was in the original's cheat menu
[00:05:04] <Khumash-Gor> oh ok.
[00:05:25] <Khumash-Gor> never saw that menu in the original, never cheated in the original :)
[00:06:28] <wjp> I can't remember either, I'm just guessing :-)
[00:06:47] <Khumash-Gor> hehe
[00:06:56] <Khumash-Gor> well if you guys didn't put it there, its a good guess :)
[00:08:03] <wjp> but we did put it there :-)
[00:08:19] <wjp> we don't use any of the original's code, so the cheat screen is entirely our code too
[00:08:55] <Khumash-Gor> thats what I thought... I read that somewhere, but why did you put it there if you don't know what it does, hehe.
[00:10:13] <wjp> probably intended to implement it sometime
[00:10:13] <wjp> :-)
[00:10:23] <Khumash-Gor> well that makes sense then :)
[00:11:22] <wjp> it does? ;-)
[00:13:18] <Khumash-Gor> well if you intended to implement it and put it in there for that reason :)
[00:17:06] <Khumash-Gor> I'll bbs
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[00:21:37] <Khumash-Gor> I am starting to think windows xp kinda sucks. :)
[00:23:31] <wjp> excellent :-)
[00:23:43] <Khumash-Gor> lol
[00:23:44] <wjp> would now be a good time to suggest Linux? ;-)
[00:23:58] <Khumash-Gor> i've wanted to switch to linux for a long time now
[00:24:08] <Khumash-Gor> but since I got married and 2 jobs and shit
[00:24:11] <Khumash-Gor> not enough time to learn :)
[00:24:59] <wjp> hm, yeah, it takes some learning to use it efficiently, I guess :/
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[00:25:05] <wjp> that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it, though :-)
[00:25:32] <wjp> there's this recent trend of CD-based distro's. You can run and try them without having to disrupt your current OS
[00:26:06] <Khumash-Gor> true
[00:26:48] <Khumash-Gor> whats the best linux os?
[00:27:36] <wjp> heh, that's a matter of personal taste :-)
[00:27:43] <wjp> I'm currently using RedHat
[00:28:14] <Khumash-Gor> hehe
[00:28:41] <Khumash-Gor> a while back i started up slackware, but didnt get too far with it
[00:28:55] <wjp> from what I hear that's a pretty hardcore distro
[00:29:12] <wjp> (read 'not particularly userfriendly and/or easy to start with' ;-) )
[00:29:18] <Khumash-Gor> yeah, thats why i chose it back then
[00:29:33] <wjp> because you didn't want a distro that's easy to start with? :-)
[00:29:34] <Khumash-Gor> lol
[00:30:03] <Khumash-Gor> i wanted to make sure all my toys would work :)
[00:30:27] <Khumash-Gor> I usually don't shy away from hard to learn stuff. but this c++ shit is giving me a headache.
[00:31:30] <wjp> do you already know any other languages?
[00:32:02] <Khumash-Gor> haha, no. the only other language I knew was pascal, and that was back in high school. its been about 6 years since I even went near pascal anyway.
[00:32:48] <wjp> I think the problem with learning C++ is that it's got a lot of things you can really get lost in
[00:32:59] <Khumash-Gor> true
[00:33:12] <wjp> even though those things aren't really necessary for >90% of all code
[00:33:33] <Khumash-Gor> I know, i am looking for a few online pdf's about code only
[00:33:37] <Khumash-Gor> enough of this wizzard/menu bs
[00:33:52] <wjp> you should avoid things like templates and complex STL trickery at first
[00:33:56] <wjp> (IMHO)
[00:34:14] <Khumash-Gor> since I don't even know what they are, don't worry, I'll avoid them :)
[00:34:21] <wjp> :-)
[00:34:34] <Khumash-Gor> I have signed up for a college course in programming, to start in feb.
[00:34:40] <Khumash-Gor> so that will help
[00:34:46] <wjp> don't expect too much of it, though :-)
[00:34:57] <Khumash-Gor> of what, the course?
[00:35:01] <wjp> (if it's anything like the programming courses the CS department at my uni gives)
[00:35:44] <Khumash-Gor> hehe, did you submit exult for a final project? lol.
[00:35:50] <wjp> heh :-)
[00:36:18] <wjp> but CS at my uni is pretty low level, IMHO. It should be better at others :-)
[00:36:29] <Khumash-Gor> I read through some of the exult code
[00:36:36] <Khumash-Gor> try to get a feel for how things are done.
[00:37:02] <Khumash-Gor> well, I can't afford uni right now, so this is a state college. called TAFE in Australia. and I'm sure its not even up to par with uni standards.
[00:37:05] <wjp> try not to pick up any design habits from exult's code :-)
[00:37:35] <wjp> (since exult wasn't designed to be as complex as it is now; some things could've been done a lot better)
[00:37:37] <Khumash-Gor> hehe, they couldn't possibly be bad habits :)
[00:37:49] <Khumash-Gor> I see
[00:38:03] <Khumash-Gor> much like pentagram will be if it turns into what exult is now.
[00:38:42] <wjp> if anything pentagram is going to be heavily overdesigned :-)
[00:38:52] <Khumash-Gor> sweet
[00:38:56] <wjp> not really :-)
[00:39:01] <Khumash-Gor> so you guys are planning some stuff for that huh?
[00:39:12] <Khumash-Gor> I got U8 working this morning, for the most part.
[00:39:13] <wjp> we've been talking for months about that engine now
[00:39:43] <Khumash-Gor> can get music, but no sound. my sb is on irq 11 and the install program only sets the irq up to 10, so I'm guessing that is the problem.
[00:40:07] <wjp> I'm not sure of the specifics, but I don't think you can get u8 to run fully ok on XP
[00:40:22] <wjp> it was either sfx or music, but not both, or something like that
[00:40:37] <Khumash-Gor> ahh, then its the sfx that won't work.
[00:40:46] <Khumash-Gor> cos my music is playing away
[00:41:23] <wjp> Dominus or Colourless might now more about it
[00:41:32] <wjp> s/now/know/
[00:42:16] <wjp> anyway, I should be going; it's getting late-ish over here :-)
[00:42:17] <Khumash-Gor> hehe, lools a little bit like a uniquery command :)
[00:42:29] <Khumash-Gor> .c/lools/looks
[00:42:29] <Khumash-Gor> lol
[00:42:35] <Khumash-Gor> ok, have a good night.
[00:42:36] <wjp> it's a regular expression
[00:42:53] <wjp> used in sed/perl/lotsofotherunixtools :-)
[00:43:02] <Khumash-Gor> hehe
[00:43:05] <Khumash-Gor> I can imagine
[00:43:13] <wjp> bye :-)
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[04:45:53] <SB-X> hello
[04:50:37] <Khumash-Gor> hi
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[04:52:19] <SB-X> :|
[04:56:23] <Darke> Hi.
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[05:11:40] <SB-X> Khumash-Gor: wb
[05:11:44] <SB-X> Khumash-Gor: you go to TAFE?
[05:15:03] <SB-X> i knew someone who i think went to TAFE a few years ago
[05:16:19] <Khumash-Gor> no, I will be in feb tho
[05:16:29] <Khumash-Gor> going to take programming and network engineering
[05:19:12] <SB-X> oh
[05:19:17] <SB-X> i dont know anything about it
[05:19:34] <SB-X> TAFE i mean
[05:30:31] <Khumash-Gor> oh hehe ok
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[06:48:09] <Colourless> hi
[06:48:12] <Darke> Hi!
[06:48:51] <Colourless> wjp said something bad! he said pentagram was most likely going to be over designed!!!
[06:49:49] * Darke gasps! No! That cannot be! Hey... wait a minute! Wouldn't it mean it'd be just like u8 then?
[06:50:05] <Colourless> :-)
[06:50:23] <Colourless> well we've seen one of the programmer or something actually say something like that :-)
[06:50:58] * Darke nodnods. And we've said the same thing many, many times too. *grin* In relation to usecode in specific.
[06:51:50] <Colourless> Pentagram: Recreating the Ultima 8 engine, in the spirit of the original programmers
[06:55:49] * Darke snickers. Appropriate.
[06:56:32] <Darke> And don't forget, we have to recreate all the bugs too! Else it wouldn't be a 'proper' reproduction of it!
[06:56:58] <Darke> Think we should enforce a 15second wait with each save too? *innocentlook*
[06:57:20] <Colourless> with lots of disk thrashing
[06:57:21] <Colourless> too
[06:57:39] * Darke snerks.
[06:57:46] <Colourless> i'm guessing then we need to use platform dependant 'raw' disk accessing :-)
[06:58:12] <Colourless> modern os's tend to like to force disk caching in other circumstances :-(
[06:58:28] <Darke> I don't think you can get that under windows anymore, I'm pretty sure it'd be impossible under linux. *grin*
[06:58:44] <Darke> Nah. Just create a few 100Meg files here and there, then delete them. That should do it.
[06:58:58] <Colourless> hehe
[06:59:52] <Darke> Oh, yes, we'd also _have_ to have some code in there so you must run it as root/administrator too. Just for the added emulation of You Can Do Anything dos days. *grin*
[07:00:36] * Darke idles a little. Reality is bugging him.
[07:00:36] <Colourless> :-)
[07:00:48] <Colourless> got to have really nasty savegames too
[07:01:14] <Colourless> saving vtables and pointers is something we've got to do :-)
[07:01:22] <Colourless> i'm guessing then that is why the savegames would be so big
[07:01:42] <Colourless> we have to save the 'entire' virtual address space :-)
[07:01:50] <Darke> And byte order/word size dependant too. *grin*
[07:01:52] * Darke snorks.
[07:02:05] <Colourless> yes
[07:23:55] <Colourless> Darke: you should check out Crusader No Remorse map 40. It's fairly impressive due to 1 subtle difference compare to the other U8 and Crusader maps
[07:25:16] * Darke looks.
[07:25:56] * Darke wonders why things are hanging on 'invisiable' walls...
[07:28:02] <Colourless> thats... something we will work out eventually :-)
[07:28:41] * Darke snickers and wonders what exactly he's supposed to be looking for/at? *grin* Other then invisiable walls.
[07:29:13] <Colourless> the lighting and shadows
[07:30:13] <Colourless> hmm, i think i've got things a little wrong with the map allignment. i think i've offset the globs by 256 units
[07:30:17] * Darke ahhs and was actually pondering that. *grin*
[07:30:59] <Colourless> well, i've got to be off now
[07:31:00] <Colourless> cya
[07:31:04] <Darke> Bye!
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[11:58:08] <Colourless> hi
[12:18:55] <Kirben2> ever heard of gmf midi format ?
[12:19:21] <Colourless> can't say i have
[12:21:14] <Darke> Umm... maybe 'GMF' as in 'General Midi Format'? (Which makes the 'midi format' bit slightly redundant, but people still say 'ATM Machines'. *grin*)
[12:21:43] <Kirben2> could be, all I know is gmf is the header
[12:21:52] <Colourless> .mid files are often known as Standard Midi Format
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[15:50:14] <artaxerxes> hi all
[15:51:00] <artaxerxes> does anyone know what tool under Linux almost generates a .h file automatically based on the .c file ?
[15:51:19] <artaxerxes> (I think it exists)
[15:54:59] <Darke> Hi!
[15:55:33] <Darke> Not that I know of, but there used to be ones that worked under dos, so I would expect there's a few floating around.
[15:56:26] * artaxerxes is peaking at autoheader
[15:57:00] * artaxerxes thinks it could be it but it requires a configure.in
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[16:47:00] <wjp> hi
[16:47:08] <Colourless> hi
[16:50:07] <Darke> Hi.
[16:56:17] <artaxerxes> hi
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[18:15:50] <artaxerxes> the web site really has a pb
[18:26:51] <wjp> yeah
[18:26:54] <wjp> not just the exult site, though
[18:31:28] <artaxerxes> sf pb... doesn't sound too good... ;/
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[19:58:42] <artaxerxes> oups
[20:01:46] * artaxerxes breathes normally now
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[20:06:10] <artaxerxes2> :)
[20:06:58] <wjp> um, you might want to change your password ;-)
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[20:15:56] * Dark-Star wonders how you can send text that starts with a '/'
[20:22:09] <artaxerxes2> ctrl-r in front of it for instance
[20:22:12] <artaxerxes2> /test
[20:36:56] <wjp> depends on your irc client
[20:37:04] <wjp> /msg #exult /command works too
[20:38:35] <artaxerxes2> /test
[20:38:41] <artaxerxes2> indeed
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[20:50:59] <artaxerxes> what's up with google?
[20:57:24] <artaxerxes> https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=99493
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[21:58:20] <artaxerxes> gotta go
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[22:07:09] <Fingolfin> yo
[22:07:29] <wjp> hi Max
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[22:08:14] <wjp> hi
[22:08:34] <Khumash-Gor> hey
[22:08:37] <Khumash-Gor> whats up
[22:09:04] <wjp> not much :-)
[22:11:47] <Khumash-Gor> same, just woke up.
[22:12:22] <Khumash-Gor> something up with sourceforge? i keep getting 404s all over the place
[22:13:07] <wjp> I've been getting a lot of 'connection refused's lately, but no 404's
[22:13:28] <Khumash-Gor> sorry, not a 404 your right.
[22:13:37] <Khumash-Gor> can't find the DNS
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[23:26:28] <wjp> I should go too
[23:26:28] <wjp> night
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