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[00:10:15] <West> egads
[00:10:20] <West> does anyone know where I can get the fix for it?
[00:14:39] <West> oh yeah
[00:14:40] <West> and uh
[00:14:49] <West> there is a crash bug when you go to Batlin's Castle
[00:14:56] <West> erm
[00:14:59] <West> Shamino's Castle
[00:14:59] <West> rather
[00:15:12] <West> and you fight Batlin
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[00:37:49] <EazyCheez> strange that some people don't even HAVE the bug I'm having
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[03:14:27] <Waz> exultbot: hows it hanging?
[03:18:06] <EazyCheez> I wish there were a ?health option
[03:18:18] <EazyCheez> and it would say "I am well, thank thee."
[03:19:59] <Waz> ?bye
[03:19:59] <exultbot> Goodbye, Avatar.
[03:20:11] <Waz> ?name
[03:20:11] <exultbot> Greetings Avatar. I am called Exultbot.
[03:20:16] <Waz> ?job
[03:20:16] <exultbot> My job is to write down everything you say.
[03:20:20] <Waz> ?write
[03:26:54] <EazyCheez> now ?write should lead to the URL of its logs
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[09:21:00] <wjp> hi
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[10:04:10] <wjp> hi
[10:04:16] <Dominus> hi
[10:04:32] <Dominus> wjp: bedroll problem is back again
[10:05:30] <Dominus> but only if you donīt sleep in it
[10:05:39] <wjp> not again...
[10:06:27] <Dominus> as I said itīs coming back again and again and again and again and...
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[10:08:29] <Dominus> hi
[10:08:36] <wjp> hi
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[10:14:26] <fingolfin> hi
[10:14:32] <Kirben> Hi
[10:14:39] <fingolfin> sorry, I was distracted ;)
[10:14:49] <fingolfin> hm, I fear SF staff is not awake at the moment ;)
[10:16:31] <fingolfin> hm, time for dinner
[10:16:35] <fingolfin> erfh lunch ;)
[10:16:37] <wjp> dinner? at 12?
[10:16:39] <wjp> ah, ok :-)
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[10:16:42] <Fingolfin|lunch> bah! ;)
[10:16:47] <Fingolfin|lunch> uwim
[10:16:55] * wjp is having lunch too
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[10:33:54] <wjp> I have to go to work
[10:33:55] <wjp> bye
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[10:56:39] <Fingolifin> wb
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[11:02:40] <Dominus> hi again
[11:02:40] <Dominus> wjp: a problem with return items
[11:02:40] <Dominus> I have a savegame where Shamino carries a pile of 100 Lucky Arrows. When I tell him to give me his belongings I get hundreds of those piles not just one
[11:02:40] <Fingolifin> hundreds of piles a 100 arrows? wow
[11:02:40] <Fingolifin> you could open a fletchery and become rich!
[11:03:48] <Dominus> actually itīs just about exactly 100
[11:03:56] <Dominus> unless I miss counted
[11:06:35] <Dominus> or even more. even though I stripped him off all his belongings the Avatr has still a weight of over 200 stones
[11:08:00] <Dominus> he somehow stores stuff in an invisible "container" on him
[11:12:13] <Fingolifin> sounds like wjpīs new "fix" broke something?
[11:12:31] <Fingolifin> gosh! this is incredible what is going on again in ireland... why o why have people to do this stuff
[11:13:07] <Fingolifin> 200 people throwing stones & bottles at 4 year old kindergarten girls because they walk throught the wrong quarter
[11:13:15] <Fingolifin> disgusting. racists
[11:14:21] <Dominus> I saw this yesterday about those catholic 1st graders who were stopped on their way to their first schoolday. Eventually the Police had to forcibly remove the protestants
[11:14:29] <Dominus> It is very evil
[11:14:57] <Dominus> these are children, god damn it
[11:16:14] <Dominus> they are all taking it too far. Isreals, Palestinians, ex-Yugoslawiens, North Ireland
[11:17:51] <EazyCheez> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010905/ts/irish_dc_2.html
[11:17:56] <EazyCheez> bombs too
[11:19:14] <wjp> yes... that does sound like a small problem with my fix
[11:19:25] <Dominus> he he
[11:19:40] <wjp> although it could just be another related thing that needs fixing
[11:20:12] <Dominus> thought you were gone for a moment
[11:20:16] <wjp> I was
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[11:20:24] <wjp|work> <-- because of that :-)
[11:20:26] <Dominus> it happens with all stackable items of course
[11:20:32] <wjp|work> yeah
[11:20:39] <wjp|work> I think we don't auto-stack in all cases
[11:20:56] <wjp|work> not caused by my fix, just exposed by it
[11:21:36] <wjp|work> oh wait... it produces 100 stacks of 100 arrows?
[11:21:43] <Dominus> like dragging arrows to the arrow slot when there are allready arrows. Always places those in the backpack
[11:22:18] <Dominus> wjp|work: Iīm not sure exactly it produced a lot and put it into an unseen container on the avatar
[11:23:52] <Dominus> yep, checked again the weight and yes it produces exactly 100 stacks of 100 arrows
[11:25:12] <Dominus> seems like it sees 100 arrows and wants to produce them but produces the correct item (1 stack of 100 arrows) 100 times
[11:25:33] <Dominus> produce=create
[11:27:15] <Dominus> wjp: makes sense in a way, right
[11:44:42] <Dominus> k, have to go
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[12:15:56] <wjp|work> funny... I don't have any trouble with getting a stack of filari from Shamino when he leaves
[12:18:02] <wjp|work> hmm... no... the quantity changed somehow
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[13:43:35] <Nadir> hi
[13:43:43] <Colourless> hi
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[15:09:04] <wjp|work> going home
[15:09:06] <wjp|work> bye
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[15:09:13] <Colourless> k
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[15:46:36] <Nadir> bye
[15:46:42] <Nadir> ?bye
[15:46:42] <exultbot> Goodbye, Avatar.
[15:46:45] <Colourless> cya
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[16:47:03] <Kefka> er, how do i compile/install if there is no configure file?
[17:01:46] <Kefka> back in a couple
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[17:36:50] <Kefka> wjp: hi
[17:37:00] <Colourless> hi
[17:37:57] <Kefka> anyone ever played a game called Shadowgate or Deja Vu or The Uninvited?
[17:40:14] <wjp> hi
[17:40:28] <Colourless> can't say I have
[17:40:29] <wjp> no
[17:48:44] <chimera|wookin> shadowgate?
[17:48:51] <chimera|wookin> is that a John Carmack game?
[17:49:07] <Colourless> don't think so
[17:49:29] <Colourless> how old?
[17:49:47] <Kefka> i'd say
[17:50:00] <Kefka> 1989 i think
[17:50:17] <Kefka> i think it was released for pc before that tough
[17:50:24] <Kefka> s/tough/though
[17:50:32] <Kefka> 1989 is the NES version
[17:50:37] <Colourless> hmmm, if it's from Softdisk then in might be a carmack game
[17:50:44] <Kefka> nope
[17:50:54] <Kefka> Icom write it
[17:51:01] <Kefka> gah s/write/wrote
[17:52:09] <Kefka> thats my new programming project.. to rewrite it for Linux and Win32
[17:53:05] <Kefka> its pretty simplistic, so i think i can handle it
[17:53:28] <Kefka> no real time stuff, sorta like myst on a very very low level
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[18:04:09] <wjp> hi
[18:04:20] <fingolfin> hi
[18:04:22] <Kefka> hello
[18:04:46] <wjp> about the Reply-To: what do you think we should do?
[18:05:12] <Colourless> well, what can we do?
[18:06:44] <fingolfin> I am looking into that right now
[18:07:21] <wjp> I think SF still allows both options for now (according to the mail Max forwarded)
[18:07:23] <fingolfin> we can change it, that is, Jeff can
[18:07:28] <fingolfin> yeah
[18:07:40] <fingolfin> all lists where reverted to the Reply-To-Poster setting
[18:07:51] <fingolfin> but I just checked on some MLs that I manage, and there is a switch for it
[18:07:57] <wjp> I already asked Jeff to change it an hour ago, since he was replying a lot of messages to me personally
[18:07:58] <fingolfin> we only need to tell jeff about it ;)
[18:08:05] <fingolfin> :)
[18:08:09] <wjp> he said he'd look into it
[18:08:11] <fingolfin> I got one from him, too ;)
[18:08:16] * Colourless decides to open his email client
[18:08:20] <fingolfin> it is on the front page indeed
[18:08:26] <fingolfin> anyway it does not bother me
[18:08:39] <wjp> check the headers on Jeff's replies to Dominik's mails
[18:08:41] <fingolfin> since I long long ago set my email client to use the "Reply To All" mode
[18:08:47] <wjp> To:
[18:08:47] <wjp> "Dominik R." <exult-general@lists.sourceforge.net>
[18:09:45] <wjp> netscape mail doesn't seem to have any "list reply" command that's mentioned
[18:22:00] <wjp> fingolfin: good idea to redirect Jeff's mails to the list :-)
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[18:22:38] <Dominus> hi
[18:22:38] <wjp> hi
[18:22:44] <Colourless> hi
[18:23:40] <Dominus> about my mailing list header: I changed this in the settings of my mail program to automatically set reply-to: exult-general... when replying to mailing list posts
[18:24:01] <Dominus> if you wondered
[18:24:08] <Dominus> :-)
[18:24:16] <wjp> yes, I noticed that :-)
[18:28:02] <Dominus> one thing I wonder now (reagrding Jeffīs mail to me about the belongings stuff): he wrote:" Fixed. I just made sure the packpack was removed first."
[18:28:15] <Dominus> Should the backpack be removed actually?
[18:28:39] <wjp> yes, read my first mail on this
[18:28:51] <wjp> (objects are deleted and then recreated)
[18:29:04] <wjp> (or actually recreated and then deleted :-) )
[18:29:21] <Dominus> but shouldnīt the backpack be a special case
[18:29:21] <Dominus> ?
[18:29:43] <wjp> why?
[18:29:53] <Dominus> (you canīt put a backpack into a backpack right?)
[18:29:54] <Colourless> i think that a better solution should be done
[18:30:11] <Colourless> if you have a bag, you'll get the exact same problem
[18:30:26] <Dominus> thatīs why I wondered
[18:30:53] <Colourless> IMO, the contents should just get deleted, and not taken out of the container
[18:31:15] <wjp> why? they're deleted afterwards anyway here
[18:32:15] <Dominus> ah, I just checked the original and the pack always gets dropped down on the ground
[18:32:33] <fingolfin> hm
[18:32:35] <Dominus> with "you donīt seem to have room for that last item bla bla bla"
[18:32:39] <wjp> yes, we should automatically do that too (usecode handled), once the volume/weight checks are done properly
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[18:32:41] <fingolfin> always?
[18:34:15] <Dominus> yes, even when the Avatar has a spare hand free
[18:38:31] <Dominus> just wanted to drop in and say that
[18:38:45] <Dominus> have to go again
[18:38:47] <Dominus> bye
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[19:27:12] <Colourless> bye
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[19:32:33] <fingolfin> night
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[21:02:15] <chimera|wookin> exultbot!!!!
[21:02:27] <wjp> conversations are handled by usecode, so yes
[21:03:03] <PoorCNewb> Yeah, it's all there, I've looked every now and then too, just every bit of conversatoin
[21:03:10] <PoorCNewb> In the game
[21:03:20] <Kefka> wjp: ok.. cause this game i am remaking has quite a bit of text in it and i have been working all day on writing it all down, then putting it into html files for reference.
[21:04:06] <Kefka> takes forever
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[21:54:23] <West> heya
[21:54:32] <wjp> hi
[21:55:08] <West> you guys fix the Shamino Castle and Dream Realm bugs yet?
[21:56:00] <wjp> I think we recently fixed the dream realm bug as a side effect of another bugfix
[21:56:08] <West> Ah
[21:56:18] <West> then no Shamino Castle crash bug fix?
[21:56:24] <wjp> not AFAIK
[21:56:36] <West> that's where you finally get to Shamino's Castle and get into a hanging conversation with Batlin
[21:56:54] <wjp> hmm, I don't see it in the bug tracker
[21:57:50] <wjp> (which means that it was either never added or fixed)
[22:05:29] <West> cool well
[22:05:32] <West> it's a bug
[22:05:34] <West> trust me on that
[22:05:45] <West> but then again maybe it's just because of the dream realm thing
[22:05:46] <West> Humm
[22:05:49] <wjp> sure, a crash/hang tends to be a bug
[22:06:00] <wjp> do you know if it was ever added to the bug tracker?
[22:06:16] <West> I'm not entirely sure
[22:06:16] <wjp> if not, could you submit it with a zipped savegame attached?
[22:06:29] <West> it was on the forum like a week ago
[22:06:40] <West> Humm, where do I email it to?
[22:06:46] <wjp> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=2335&atid=102335
[22:08:12] <wjp> the problem with the forum is that there's no way to keep track of bugs
[22:09:28] <wjp> it's easy to forget about bugs that are only mentioned on the forum. This doesn't happen if they're in the bug tracker
[22:14:48] <West> bug uploaded
[22:16:51] <wjp> I don't see it yet
[22:17:04] <West> well it's jsut taking a while to load up through my analog modem
[22:17:07] <West> hehe
[22:17:13] <wjp> k :-)
[22:17:49] <West> still loading...
[22:17:52] <West> *yawn*
[22:18:26] <wjp> I hope you zipped the savegame? :-)
[22:18:43] <West> WOOPS
[22:19:15] <wjp> then it'll probably be too big to be attached... (limit is 200 or 250K)
[22:19:45] <West> well the zip is 210K
[22:20:13] <West> if only I knew more about OSC
[22:20:13] <wjp> then the limit is probably 250K
[22:20:20] <West> if only I was in college
[22:20:22] <wjp> osc?
[22:20:29] <West> open source code
[22:20:39] <wjp> what's there to know about that?
[22:20:52] <West> then I could help you guys with Exult of course
[22:21:04] <wjp> :-)
[22:21:12] <wjp> k, the bug is there now
[22:21:24] <wjp> (without the savegame)
[22:21:28] <West> Humm
[22:21:31] <wjp> if you could email it to me, I'll attach it
[22:21:33] <West> the page is still loading
[22:21:49] <West> maybe the file is still loading
[22:22:15] <wjp> (unfortunately only admins can attach savegames submitted by non-SF-users :-( )
[22:22:27] <West> Ah
[22:22:33] <West> well cool I'll mail it to you
[22:23:39] <wjp> hmm, insert a "afterwards" somewhere in that last sentence
[22:25:45] <West> EGADS a crash
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[22:37:57] <wjp> time to go
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