#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 6 Apr 2001 (GMT)

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[00:22:44] <chimera|wookin> Blackthorn!!
[00:23:05] <Blackthorn> Chimera(|wookin, even!) !!!!!!!!
[00:23:18] <Blackthorn> btw, what does "wookin" mean?
[00:23:23] <chimera|wookin> it means working
[00:23:48] <Blackthorn> But if you chatting with me, you can't really be wookin, can ya?
[00:23:53] <chimera|wookin> hmmm...
[00:24:00] <chimera|wookin> that's a question best left up to the philosophers
[00:24:15] <Blackthorn> Whatcha wookin at?
[00:24:27] <chimera|wookin> I'm at wook =]
[00:24:37] <chimera|wookin> just waiting to stop wookin and go home
[00:25:13] <Blackthorn> You know, before you told me what it really means, I though it has something to do with Wookies.
[00:25:27] * chimera|wookin chuckles
[00:25:49] <chimera|wookin> you're in Germany aren't you?
[00:26:01] <Blackthorn> Now how did you guess that? :-)
[00:26:44] <Blackthorn> I should really use one of those anonymizers.
[00:27:27] <Blackthorn> Anyway, it's late/early here in Deutsch-land, and I gotta sleep. Cya.
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[07:07:49] <wjp> hi
[07:10:59] <matt0> wjp!!
[07:11:06] <matt0> what are doing up at this hour?
[07:11:08] <matt0> =]
[07:11:14] <wjp> heh :-)
[07:11:19] <wjp> working :-(
[07:11:23] <matt0> =(
[07:11:34] <wjp> 9am is just too early :-)
[08:34:20] <matt0> wjp: hey! ops!
[08:34:26] <wjp> yay! ;-)
[09:33:13] <wjp> brb
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[10:06:06] <matt0> well well well!
[10:06:08] <matt0> if it isn't you!
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[13:02:31] <ArtWhore> anyone around?
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[16:40:38] <wjp> hey Ryan
[16:40:43] <Colourless> hi
[16:41:12] <wjp> 70 messages on the SDL mailing list today... ARGH
[16:41:41] <Colourless> good thing I'm not on it :)
[16:42:07] <wjp> occasionally there's even an interesting post on it...
[16:57:05] <Colourless> when I came joined the channel at 22:06 the topic was set to "Not even Exultbot to keep me company". I got disconnected at about 2:05 and when I came after reconnecting, the topic was gone... strange
[17:00:25] <wjp> hmmm... how long ago is that?
[17:13:35] <Colourless> it's not 2:43
[17:13:42] <Colourless> it's NOW 2:43
[17:17:56] --- wjp has changed the topic to: #exult
[17:17:59] --- wjp has changed the topic to:
[17:18:02] <wjp> oops :-)
[17:18:18] <wjp> ok, so that's not how that works :-)
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[17:19:00] <wjp> hi Jeff
[17:19:08] <freedman> Hi.
[17:19:48] <freedman> What's new?
[17:20:07] <wjp> not much
[17:20:13] <Colourless> hi
[17:20:22] <freedman> Hello!
[17:29:07] <freedman> I heard back from LadyMOI. But she's leaving Origin/EA. So my only contact there is gone:-(
[17:29:43] <wjp> :-(
[17:30:18] <Colourless> :-(
[17:31:51] <freedman> On a happier note, SI seems to be going much better. I didn't use to think we'd get it working. Now I'm pretty sure we can.
[17:33:32] <Colourless> you were being a pessimist. How did people manage to reverse engineer BG in the first place :)
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[17:35:45] <freedman> For me, it meant staring at that disassembled usecode for hours.
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[17:37:00] <freedman> bb in a few minutes...
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[18:36:05] <freedman> The 'few minutes' turned out to be many. Wish I didn't have to go to work.
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[18:47:34] <cris> seen fingolfin
[18:47:41] <cris> humm
[18:48:18] <Colourless> ?seen fingolfin
[18:48:19] <exultbot> fingolfin is known as Fingolfin|dinner since Mon Apr 2 19:05:59 2001 (GMT)
[18:48:39] <cris> ah, thanks Colourless
[18:49:38] <freedman> Long dinner. If he's the same Fingolfin as on Horizons, it's his birthday.
[18:49:55] <Colourless> is that so :)
[18:50:44] <freedman> Can Exultbot wish him a Happy Birthday?
[18:50:52] <freedman> bbl
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[18:50:55] <Colourless> you'd have to ask wjp
[18:51:21] <wjp> hmm... I though he said it was his birthday yesterday?
[18:53:17] <cris> hmm, i didn't know it was his bday soon
[18:54:45] <wjp> he posted his "It's my birthday" post on horizons on "Thursday, April 5, 2001 at 6:23 p.m."
[18:55:09] * wjp wonders what timezone that is
[18:55:35] <wjp> oh btw, hi cris :-)
[18:57:57] <Colourless> haven't visited horizons in a long time. I remember 'talking' to many of those people before i even became a dragon
[19:06:43] <wjp> there's a post on horizons about the "Lazarus" project receiving an e-mail from RG
[19:06:59] <Colourless> yeah, i saw that
[19:11:46] <Colourless> of course, it was CapnBill who told RG about Lazarus.
[19:12:02] <wjp> true
[19:12:11] <wjp> maybe we should talk to him ;-)
[19:12:31] <wjp> rebooting to windows... brb
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[19:12:34] <Colourless> ok
[19:12:43] <cris> what is horizons?
[19:13:17] <Colourless> Horizons Tavern. It's a message board run by ultima fans
[19:13:24] <Colourless> topics are rarely about ultima though
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[20:07:25] <cris> btw. i am a friend of fingolfins in australia. i helped out with jabbernaut
[20:12:11] <matt_> cris: you go!!!!
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[20:17:05] <matt_> Fingolfin!!
[20:17:29] <Fingolfin> hiya
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[20:17:40] <freedman> Hello again
[20:17:44] <Colourless> wb
[20:17:51] <Colourless> and hi to fingolfin
[20:17:52] <freedman> Happy Birthday, Fin!
[20:17:53] * Fingolfin was away for a couple of days
[20:17:57] <Fingolfin> hi jeff!
[20:18:07] <Fingolfin> hi ryan
[20:18:09] <Fingolfin> ;)
[20:18:11] <Fingolfin> ?
[20:18:15] <Fingolfin> freedman: hu?
[20:18:17] <wjp> hi Max
[20:18:18] <Colourless> this was from a little earlier:
[20:18:19] <Colourless> [4:17] <exultbot> fingolfin is known as Fingolfin|dinner since Mon Apr 2 19:05:59 2001 (GMT)
[20:18:33] <Fingolfin> lol
[20:18:35] <wjp> hehe
[20:18:42] <wjp> maybe I should fix that...
[20:18:49] <Fingolfin> jeff: though I have birthday on 24th of April ;)
[20:18:56] <Colourless> [4:19] <freedman> Long dinner.
[20:19:00] <Fingolfin> <g>
[20:19:20] <wjp> hmm... there's an imposter on horizons then :-)
[20:19:20] <Fingolfin> the dinner was good, what do you expect? ;) I like to enjoy my meals...
[20:19:23] <freedman> There's another Fingolfin on Horizon, then?
[20:19:45] <Fingolfin> not necessarily;
[20:20:02] <Fingolfin> I was here on the 2nd April; maybe i forgot to reset my nick?
[20:20:27] <wjp> exultbot probably timed out
[20:20:40] <wjp> is did that a lot the last couple of days... bad exultbot! ;-)
[20:21:03] <wjp> s/is/it/
[20:21:04] <Fingolfin> yeah ;)
[20:21:13] <cris> Fingolfin: nigger!
[20:21:23] <Fingolfin> cris: bloke!
[20:21:29] <Fingolfin> cris: watcha doin here?
[20:21:38] <Fingolfin> want to meet other australians, eh? ;)
[20:21:38] <cris> waiting for you
[20:21:52] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:21:54] <cris> i came to jump on ya
[20:22:17] <Colourless> hey, no one needs to know
[20:22:32] <cris> :P
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[20:24:22] <wjp|tv> bbl
[20:25:25] <Colourless> TV???? what's that :)
[20:27:22] <freedman> Say, does anyone know CapnBill's address? I want an email from RG too:-)
[20:28:09] <Colourless> can't say I do
[20:30:21] <freedman> BTW, that Lazarus project does look really cool.
[20:30:58] <freedman> But they definitely need permission from Ultima's owners.
[20:32:03] <Colourless> yeah, i agree.
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[20:44:03] <Colourless> I really doubt that EA will allow it though. They are using an engine being made by a company that has nothing to do with EA.
[20:44:48] <freedman> I think you're right, but maybe I'm just jealous.
[20:44:58] <freedman> Don't they have to pay for that engine, though?
[20:46:26] <Colourless> It require's a copy of Dungeon Siege.
[20:46:54] <Colourless> From that FAQ:
[20:46:54] <Colourless> You're telling me that I need to purchase Dungeon Siege to play Lazarus?
[20:46:54] <Colourless> Yes, that is correct
[20:46:55] <freedman> Each user, right? That's a pretty rigid constraint.
[20:47:11] <freedman> Okay....
[20:48:30] <freedman> I guess if one wants to use someone else's world, it's a good idea to use one that's in the public domain.
[20:50:00] <freedman> I wonder when Middle Earth will be free... (searching Google)
[20:54:11] <Colourless> I think that while cool, Lazarus is actually a bad idea. Chances are when they get something substantial done and notify website of what they have done, EA will send a Cease and Desist and then they will have done all this work for no real outcome.
[20:54:34] <freedman> That would be a major :-(
[20:55:37] <Fingolfin> yeah :/
[20:56:23] <freedman> But it could get the author(s) jobs in the games industry.
[20:56:42] <Colourless> that's true
[20:57:14] <freedman> ...although I'm not sure whether that's a good thing.
[20:57:28] <Colourless> though, if i were to do that, I wouldn't attempt doing so with someone elses IP
[20:58:55] <freedman> Yes. Of course, EA could threaten Exult, too, if they wanted to.
[21:00:27] <Colourless> true, they could, but they could make money off of it if they really wanted to as well :)
[21:03:08] <freedman> Yep. I was trying to pitch that idea to Lady Moi. She was friendly, but I never got anywhere.
[21:04:04] <freedman> She did give me the email of her former boss, so I could keep trying.
[21:06:14] <Colourless> might be an idea to try at somestage.
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[21:48:29] <Colourless> bed time
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[21:51:04] <matt_> freedman!
[21:55:31] <freedman> Hi.
[21:55:38] <freedman> Whazup?
[21:55:46] <matt_> freedman: not much.. just at work
[21:56:09] <freedman> Same here.
[21:56:31] <freedman> On Exult, I'm trying to just test a bit for an Alpha next week.
[21:56:34] <matt_> exult is looking really good. I tried a recent build a few days ago!
[21:56:47] <matt_> you guys rule!
[21:57:06] <freedman> Thanks! SI is starting to work, too.
[21:57:22] <matt_> I was referring to SI specifically hehe
[21:57:43] <matt_> we were pleased to notice that the copy protection has not been implemented <grin>
[21:57:51] <freedman> :-) That's where the effort's been lately.
[21:58:19] <freedman> Huh? You still need to do it (or cheat around it). But you can do that in the original too.
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[22:01:01] <matt_> well in the original, if you get it wrong, everyone speaks in garbled text and attacks you
[22:01:06] <matt_> I believe
[22:01:10] <matt_> that's whatI recall
[22:01:28] <matt_> we got the copy protection wrong in exult and everything seemed to work despite getting it wrong
[22:02:13] <freedman> Maybe it's the version. I'm playing SI with U7run, and just teleported past the copy-protection (so I still have the Black Sword:-).
[22:02:26] <matt_> wow
[22:02:28] <freedman> But maybe it doesn't happen in cheat mode.
[22:02:31] <matt_> I didn't know you could teleport in the real thing
[22:02:55] <matt_> I never did recover all of my items when I played SI =(
[22:03:13] <freedman> Yes. Run in cheat mode (can't remember the cmnd-line option). Then F3 brings up the teleport map.
[22:03:30] <matt_> things I never knew.. hehe
[22:04:02] <freedman> Makes testing easier:-) I only played SI once, and don't remember much of it.
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[22:05:00] <matt_> wjp!!!!!
[22:05:10] <wjp> Matt!!! :-)
[22:05:24] <freedman> Hey, wjp!
[22:05:29] <wjp> hi again Jeff
[22:05:58] <wjp> so, what did I miss?
[22:06:19] <wjp> heh, looks like I'll have to explain to Ryan what a TV is ;-)
[22:06:22] <freedman> My jealous grumbling about the Lazurus project:-)
[22:07:13] <matt_> stupid question: what is the Lazurus project?
[22:07:22] <wjp> about copy-protection: I think everyone started going 'Oink' when you get the answers wrong
[22:07:29] <matt_> oink!
[22:07:38] <wjp> matt_: recreation of U5 using the Dungeon Siege engine
[22:07:52] <matt_> ohohohoho U5
[22:07:59] <matt_> freedman: you are jealous about that, eh?
[22:08:06] <wjp> they got an email from RG :-)
[22:08:13] <matt_> what?
[22:08:16] <freedman> And I didn't:-(
[22:08:18] <matt_> that's absurd
[22:08:27] <wjp> but you got us a /. post ;-)
[22:08:40] <freedman> It's a very cool-looking project. Nice 3D graphics.
[22:08:42] <wjp> pity it didn't get modded up though :-(
[22:08:44] <matt_> I saw one of freedman's posts on slashdot recently =]
[22:08:59] <matt_> in the SDL thread, right?
[22:09:03] <wjp> yeah
[22:09:10] <matt_> it said "DrCode"
[22:09:11] <freedman> wjp: It was probably me:-)
[22:09:20] <matt_> and I immediately thought of "Doctar Coed for preasidant!" hehehe
[22:09:39] <wjp> freedman: hmm?
[22:09:41] <freedman> I'd rather forget that thread...
[22:09:56] <matt_> oh...
[22:10:02] <matt_> well alright
[22:10:23] <wjp> couldn't we have killed that thread somehow? do you have admin. rights on that board?
[22:10:43] <matt_> for some reason I found it rather entertaining...
[22:11:40] <freedman> Yes. But I thought ignoring it would make them go away. Took a while, through.
[22:11:54] <wjp> unfortunately some people responded...
[22:12:11] <wjp> hmm... come to think of it... I may even have been one of them
[22:13:11] <matt_> yes, you are to blame, wjp
[22:13:11] <freedman> I mostly ignored it. Been on the net toooo long.
[22:13:16] <matt_> =]
[22:13:30] <freedman> bbl - going for a 15min. walk...
[22:13:39] <matt_> need to cool down, eh?
[22:13:48] <matt_> I guess I shouldn't have brought that thread back up lol
[22:14:37] <wjp> :-)
[22:14:58] <matt_> do you use gpg wjp?
[22:15:10] <wjp> no, why?
[22:15:26] <matt_> I am trying to learn how to use it
[22:15:40] <wjp> what do you want to do with it?
[22:15:53] <matt_> in order to test it, I need another person.. I am trying to create another key pair on another box but it doesn't seem to be working
[22:16:01] <matt_> I want to encrypt files and send them across the internet
[22:16:10] <wjp> oh, I know how to do that I think
[22:16:32] <matt_> I know how to do it in theory, I am just trying to practice it a few times
[22:16:35] <wjp> I had a couple of scripts setup to do just that
[22:16:36] <matt_> it will be part of a cron entry
[22:16:47] <matt_> I would prefer to use "scp" but I can't see how to automate it...
[22:16:55] <matt_> (need to pass the password in to the command line, apparently I can't do that)
[22:16:58] <wjp> known_hosts?
[22:17:12] <wjp> (or known_hosts2)
[22:17:25] <matt_> wouldn't I still need a password?
[22:17:46] <wjp> umm... no, wait, authorized_keys2
[22:19:18] * matt_ goes to research authorized_keys2
[22:19:53] <wjp> generate a key on the computer you want to login from, and insert the key in the authorized_keys2 on the machine you want to login to
[22:20:50] <matt_> where is this authorized_keys2 file located? I looked in /etc/ssh and it's not there
[22:21:14] <wjp> in ~/.ssh
[22:41:51] <matt_> hmmmm
[22:42:01] <matt_> authorized_keys2 appears to only work with commercial SSH2
[22:42:04] <matt_> err openSSH
[22:42:11] <matt_> it appaers to NOT work w/ commercial SSH2
[22:42:18] <wjp> hmm... yeah, I'm using openssh
[22:42:19] <matt_> which is unfortunately what we are using due to politics...
[22:48:49] <freedman> Hello again.
[22:48:53] <wjp> wb
[22:50:15] <matt_> wb freedman
[22:50:36] <freedman> Thanks! Now if they'll just stop bothering me here at work:-)
[22:50:58] <matt_> those rubes! they can't treat you like that!
[22:52:30] <freedman> True. But it's probably better than working for EA.
[22:52:51] <freedman> Matt: Are you at work?
[22:56:15] <matt_> freedman: yes
[22:56:21] <matt_> I am, indeed.
[23:05:18] <matt_> blast!
[23:05:25] * matt_ smashes hand into fist
[23:05:25] <freedman> ??
[23:05:40] <matt_> I can't get an automated SSH transfer.. I can't get an automated GPG transfer
[23:06:33] <freedman> You mean, without having to type a password?
[23:07:31] <wjp> GPG doesn't work either?
[23:07:42] <matt_> freedman: that's what I mean
[23:07:44] <matt_> GPG wants a passphrase
[23:07:51] <matt_> I am going back to your original suggestion wjp
[23:08:02] <wjp> what was that? :-)
[23:08:02] <matt_> I'll just nede to figure it out for commercial ssh2
[23:08:08] <wjp> ah
[23:08:16] <wjp> it is possible to do it with gpg...
[23:08:24] <wjp> in fact, I use gpg to do it
[23:08:29] <wjp> (well, used)
[23:09:18] <wjp> where do you need a passphrase? sender or receiver?
[23:09:21] <matt_> sender
[23:09:32] <wjp> can't you use an empty passphrase?
[23:10:18] <matt_> I... I don't know!
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