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[02:58:12] <matto> toad`sMoke!
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[04:16:16] <toad`sMoke> sup matto?
[04:33:36] <matto> not much
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[04:49:36] * Wumpus laughs maniacally and draws his bug gun
[04:58:04] <Wumpus> bah, wjp already found one of `em
[05:01:40] <SoulHarvester> heil
[05:03:18] <SoulHarvester> SUP THOU
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[05:17:31] <Soul|DEMO> hmm
[05:20:06] <Wumpus> demo?
[05:20:09] <Wumpus> (hi :P sorry, was busy)
[05:20:13] <Soul|DEMO> no
[05:20:20] <Soul|DEMO> it's one of my alt names
[05:20:25] <Soul|DEMO> for some reason i was disconnected from this server
[05:20:26] <Soul|DEMO> :/
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[05:20:56] <SoulHarvester> 1.42 GB of simpsons episodes now
[05:25:48] <SoulHarvester> ok
[05:26:06] <SoulHarvester> rythym
[05:26:07] <SoulHarvester> no
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[05:28:29] * Darke bounces in and bowfluffs. "Hi all!"
[05:28:31] <SoulHarvester> SUP THOU
[05:28:52] <SoulHarvester> or
[05:28:53] <SoulHarvester> HEIL
[05:29:11] <Darke> 'SUP THOU'? Ahh, Hi.
[05:29:20] <SoulHarvester> ha
[05:29:21] <SoulHarvester> yes
[05:29:33] <SoulHarvester> sup thou copyright @ 2001 soulnet inc
[05:56:49] * Wumpus gives the bug tracker something to chew on
[05:57:30] <Wumpus> eek 6 new ones
[05:57:40] * Wumpus never realised he was feeding it quite so many... oh well :)
[05:58:02] <Wumpus> 489716, 489719, 489712, 489724, 489726, 489729 alll miiine :|
[05:58:53] * Darke never realised that Wumpus was so buggy.
[06:01:40] <Wumpus> anyway, supposed to be offline already
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[06:07:06] <matto> hehehe
[06:24:26] <SoulHarvester> hmm
[06:29:26] <Darke> Hmm?
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[07:16:51] <Soul|LOVE> vhnmn
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[07:50:38] * Darke wonders if 'vhnmn' is another of Soul|LOVE's encrypted greetings.
[07:50:46] <Soul|LOVE> heil thee
[07:52:54] * Darke watches a small thundercloud form above his head and hops to one side, just before hailstones the size of golfballs start dropping out of it. "No thanks."
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[08:00:37] * matto laughs as a golf-ball piece of ice thunks Darke on the head
[08:00:51] * matto rolls on the ground, clutching his sides, his face red from laughter
[08:01:21] * matto scatters as Darke throws full at him
[08:01:23] <matto> "Run away!"
[08:01:29] <matto> err throws fluff
[08:02:13] * Darke taps his paw on the ground waiting for matto to realise that a hailstone that falls from 2 feet above his head, onto his furry head, isn't really going to be felt.
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[08:05:36] <Soul|LOVE> heil sir
[08:05:52] <matto> Soul|LOVE: I'm sorry to hear about that
[08:06:00] <Soul|LOVE> nps
[08:07:56] <sbx> hi
[08:08:28] <Soul|LOVE> well today i began my carpenters journey through britannia
[08:08:46] <Soul|LOVE> it began with getting a cart and stealing all the wood planks in the yew area, stacking them onto the cart
[08:08:52] <Soul|LOVE> it was a pain in the ass getting them all to stay
[08:09:27] <sbx> i dont remember trying to put stuff on the cart
[08:09:30] <Soul|LOVE> i'm thinking I might use the hackmover to remove the chairs and just go for the mobile home thing
[08:09:39] <Soul|LOVE> well
[08:09:45] <Soul|LOVE> what i was gonna do was park the cart near the shore
[08:09:49] <Soul|LOVE> then bring the boat near the cart
[08:09:57] <Soul|LOVE> and stack the wood on the boat, so i could built mah house on anothe risle
[08:10:03] <Soul|LOVE> i'm doing this without cheating/hackmove
[08:10:29] <Soul|LOVE> sadly i had an accident
[08:10:32] <sbx> haha the avatar's mobile home
[08:10:41] <Soul|LOVE> on the way to the abbey to park the cart near the shore, two paladins got stuck on the cart
[08:10:50] <Soul|LOVE> so now there's paladins stuck in between the pieces of wood
[08:10:55] <Soul|LOVE> and i'm cruising around with 2 paladins
[08:10:59] * Darke snickers.
[08:11:05] <sbx> where did they come from?
[08:11:14] <Soul|LOVE> they were attacking some fighters
[08:11:20] <sbx> oh
[08:11:20] <Soul|LOVE> the fighters chased me
[08:11:26] <Soul|LOVE> not the ones near britain
[08:11:32] <Soul|LOVE> the ones north of yew
[08:11:50] <Soul|LOVE> i'm taking tons of screenshots as I make my way so when Im' done i'll have em all up somewhere
[08:13:14] <sbx> i thought the ocean was north of yew
[08:13:46] <Soul|LOVE> the ocean is all over
[08:13:56] <Soul|LOVE> but the only place i could get the cart to was behind the abbey
[08:14:00] <Soul|LOVE> where it meets the river
[08:14:13] <Soul|LOVE> if I headed back towards britain (to try and get to the desert) the cart got stuck all the time
[08:14:23] <Soul|LOVE> and all other ways were blocked by trees
[08:14:48] * sbx wonders how the abbey got moved so far north in U7.
[08:15:00] <Soul|LOVE> who knows
[08:15:23] <sbx> what is your destination in the desert?
[08:15:46] <Soul|LOVE> the pirate camp on the northeast peninsula, but first to the ship (the free one LB gives you)
[08:15:54] <Soul|LOVE> since i was also collecting powder kegs
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[08:16:43] <Soul|LOVE> where else can I find wood in the game?
[08:16:51] <Soul|LOVE> i remember there is this one place with a log stack
[08:16:52] <sbx> iolo's steps
[08:16:56] <Soul|LOVE> already got that
[08:17:14] <Soul|LOVE> i got the wood by iolo's house, tseramed's little shack, the desert wood (4 pieces) near the abbey
[08:17:14] <sbx> too bad you cant rip apart those pirate hideouts
[08:17:32] <sbx> do you need wood? can you build with the crates?
[08:17:44] <Soul|LOVE> i don't wanna build with crates
[08:17:50] <Soul|LOVE> i'm trying to see if there's enough wood to make a 1 room hut
[08:18:03] <Soul|LOVE> i think there might be some on ambrosia or fire isle
[08:18:24] <Soul|LOVE> if worse comes to worse i'll do the walls with crates though
[08:18:32] <Soul|LOVE> but if I end up using crates
[08:18:35] <Soul|LOVE> i'll make a 2-story
[08:18:43] <Soul|LOVE> and use hackmove to get some tabels
[08:18:46] <Soul|LOVE> tables and whatnot
[08:19:09] <sbx> are you using Exult?
[08:19:13] <Soul|LOVE> yah
[08:19:19] <Soul|LOVE> i'm trying not to cheat
[08:19:19] <sbx> you can just create the tables
[08:19:22] <Soul|LOVE> yeah i know
[08:19:36] <sbx> hey make sure you get a cannon or two
[08:19:56] <Soul|LOVE> yeah i noticed exult let you pick up the cannons without hackmover
[08:20:07] <Soul|LOVE> makes it easy to break down locked doors
[08:20:12] <Soul|LOVE> just equip it and boom
[08:20:13] <sbx> pick them up?
[08:20:16] <Soul|LOVE> yah
[08:20:19] <sbx> weird
[08:20:21] <sbx> wierd
[08:20:27] <Soul|LOVE> also
[08:20:31] <Soul|LOVE> unlike the original u7
[08:20:36] <Soul|LOVE> if you move a static object
[08:20:40] <Soul|LOVE> it wont' bounce back
[08:20:43] <Soul|LOVE> it'll remembe rwhere you moved it to
[08:20:54] <sbx> yes you noted that yesterday
[08:21:10] <matto> nadir is here
[08:21:13] <sbx> get a treasure chest too heh
[08:22:14] <sbx> and gold
[08:22:24] <sbx> and an oven
[08:22:35] <sbx> and a keg
[08:22:42] <Soul|LOVE> you can pickup ovens without hackmove?
[08:22:50] <sbx> eh :-(
[08:22:53] <Soul|LOVE> bah
[08:23:01] <sbx> get whatever you can
[08:23:29] * sbx would have just stolen one of the existing houses.
[08:23:39] <Soul|LOVE> i wonder if exult zaps npcs to their locations on schedule changes or if they actually have to walk there
[08:23:49] <Soul|LOVE> if it's the latter ,I can kill people, res them inside my house, and keep em there
[08:24:07] <sbx> they zap there
[08:24:15] <Soul|LOVE> :(
[08:24:22] <sbx> they will try to walk there if they are on screen but if you walk away they seem to teleport
[08:25:19] <sbx> so if you never left your house they might stay there
[08:25:27] <Soul|LOVE> i must leave to kill
[08:26:05] <sbx> if you were cheating you could just turn off their schedules
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[08:34:05] <Soul|LOVE> heil
[08:34:10] <Wumpus> `lo
[08:34:22] <sbx> hi
[08:34:43] * Darke bows to Wumpus.
[08:37:12] <sbx> anyone think blu3acid will release a net-exult soon?
[08:37:29] <Soul|LOVE> if he does
[08:37:32] <Soul|LOVE> he's my new best friend
[08:38:47] <sbx> heh "Soul|LOVE: sbx you were supposed to bring me 10 boards from Yew! idiot!"
[08:38:57] <Soul|LOVE> ha
[08:38:58] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[08:41:23] <Soul|LOVE> the kfi640 mascot is the ugliest ass thing i've ever seen
[08:41:39] <Darke> Huh?
[08:41:46] <Soul|LOVE> www.kfi640.com
[08:41:47] <Wumpus> ah jsf has been busy
[08:41:52] <Wumpus> does jsf come here by some other nick?
[08:41:54] <Soul|LOVE> their mascot, this wrinkled baby
[08:42:37] <Darke> I agree.
[08:42:45] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[08:43:46] <Darke> Wumpus: Freedman?
[08:44:06] <Wumpus> darke- oh, is that who it is... hehe... his SF username is just JSF :P
[08:44:06] * sbx has never gotten to meet the doctor. :-(
[08:44:59] * Darke hasn't either, but he's been on recently according to exulbot's logs.
[08:45:17] <Wumpus> ah jsf = drcode?
[08:45:45] <sbx> Darke: is flag 61 the Trinsic password?
[08:45:46] <Darke> http://exult.sourceforge.net/about.php
[08:46:34] <matto> doctar c0ed for president!
[08:46:44] <Darke> sbx: Can't remember, it's been a long time since I hacked it. Give me a couple of minutes and I should be able to say 'yes' or 'no'.
[08:47:02] <Wumpus> bah, what has he done to deserve such punishment, matto? :P
[08:47:22] <matto> Wumpus: it was just a funny thread back on jackchaos :)
[08:49:19] <Wumpus> oh :)
[08:50:56] <Darke> sbx: Is the flag in decimal of hexidecimal?
[08:51:17] <sbx> decimal
[08:51:39] * Darke mumbles something about all these weirdos using decimal.
[08:51:50] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[08:52:01] <sbx> i dont think you can put hexadecimal flags in Colourless' Exult menu?
[08:53:36] <Darke> I know. <grin> But all my data and text files are in hex. For example I have a text file that crossreferences the flags to functions, sorted both by functions numbers and by flags. _All_ of it is in hex. <grin>
[08:56:33] <Wumpus> ooh yay
[08:56:44] <Wumpus> the nasty non-crash bug has already been fix0red by Jeff
[08:56:44] <Darke> Function 0326 is the one where you're talking to the gate guard. The only flags it uses are 003d and 0042.
[08:57:07] * matto hax0rs wumpus
[08:57:33] <sbx> Darke: 3D is 61 in hex, so I am probably right(hopefully since I already posted about it)... Thank you Flagmaster, Keeper of the Usecode
[08:57:58] <Wumpus> :P matto
[08:58:03] <Wumpus> just #compsoc silliness
[08:59:04] <sbx> Sp**k's Ass has 120 posts
[09:01:15] <Soul|LOVE> y9oh
[09:05:19] <Darke> The easiest way to 'hack' the password to get out of Trinsic is to alter one byte in the mayor's conversation usecode from a jne opcode to a jmp opcode IIRC. No matter what answers you give, you'll get the password.
[09:06:27] <sbx> likely
[09:06:39] <sbx> but i think the flag will work
[09:07:12] <Darke> Yes, the flag should work.
[09:11:48] <sbx> is npc usecode npc_number+400?
[09:12:35] <sbx> after trying a function, no i guess not :-)
[09:15:50] <Wumpus> ohh
[09:16:00] <Wumpus> sarien is the AGI interpreter... *blink *grin*
[09:19:21] * sbx reads ucxtread.txt and realizes it was npc_number+0x400... close!
[09:19:47] * Darke grins and is amazed that ucxtread actually has some useful information in it.
[09:20:01] <Darke> Remember when I mentioned everything is in hex? <grin>
[09:20:51] <sbx> heh
[09:21:03] <sbx> that -a option could be useful too
[09:21:17] <sbx> how big would the usecode in a big file be?
[09:21:31] <sbx> er.. how many bytes would the usecode in -ac -ro -fa form consume?
[09:23:22] <Darke> 4Meg is the usecode.txt I got without '-ro -ac' Just try it. <grin>
[09:23:51] * Darke can't at the moment, his code is in a debug state.
[09:24:26] <sbx> sometime soon i will
[09:25:06] * sbx would estimate 2/5 increase.
[09:25:25] <sbx> %
[09:27:16] <Darke> About 6mb.
[09:28:01] <sbx> thank you how is ucxt now?
[09:30:35] <Darke> Buggy. <grin> I fixed the 'first' bug recently, and uncovered a 'second' which I fixed which uncovered the third/fourth bugs. Yes, all within 50 lines of code.
[09:33:19] <Wumpus> urgh hmm... brain error
[09:33:33] * Wumpus had this strange idea that it was feb 2002 already..
[09:33:37] * Wumpus goes to get his head examined ;-p
[09:34:15] <sbx> isnt Exult for U8 going to be released in 2012?
[09:34:20] --- Darke is now known as Darke|afk
[09:34:25] <sbx> i read that was the roadmap.. or something
[09:34:32] <sbx> :-)
[09:34:44] <Wumpus> hehe, if there is an exult for u8, then the developers deserve to get shot ;-p
[09:34:48] <Wumpus> u8 was.... Special
[09:34:52] <Wumpus> :P
[09:35:03] <Soul|LOVE> special as in it rode the little ass bus
[09:35:23] <Wumpus> `the little ass bus' ? hehe
[09:35:47] <Soul|LOVE> fine, the short buas
[09:35:50] <Soul|LOVE> bus *
[09:36:34] * sbx never completed it.
[09:36:35] * Wumpus just hadn't heard the expression before :) I like it
[09:37:46] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: Ralph: "I'm special!"
[09:37:56] <Soul|LOVE> yes
[09:38:03] <Soul|LOVE> that's why there's a crayon in your nose
[09:38:12] <Soul|LOVE> we need the return of natural selection
[09:38:19] <sbx> hehe
[09:38:24] <Soul|LOVE> the kid who eats too many marbles shouldn't be rushed to a hospital
[09:38:33] <Soul|LOVE> the kid who eats too many marbles doesn't live to make more kids who do
[09:39:00] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[09:39:05] <Soul|LOVE> i'd pry be dead if that was true though
[09:39:19] <sbx> ... :-)
[09:39:20] <Soul|LOVE> i never ate marbles as a kid, but i did some pretty stupid stuff
[09:40:22] * Wumpus mmmms at scummvm
[09:40:31] <Soul|LOVE> scumvmns?
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[09:41:04] <Wumpus> SCUMM interpreter for newer OSs ...
[09:41:20] <Dominus> all people rejoice an op is here!!!!
[09:41:23] <Dominus> hi
[09:41:23] <Wumpus> (ie Monkey Island etc)
[09:41:31] <sbx> hi Dominus
[09:41:42] <Wumpus> of course, you can use dosemu with them, but still :)
[09:41:52] <Dominus> Soul|LOVE: how the ... did you get Uw2 running on XP?
[09:42:14] <Dominus> or uw1 for that matter
[09:42:27] <Soul|LOVE> all i did was set it for compatibility mode for 95 and had assigned memory
[09:42:35] <Soul|LOVE> i don't get sound, but it runs fine
[09:42:49] <Dominus> what memory settings, please tell me in detail!!!!
[09:43:25] <Soul|LOVE> 600k protected, 8192 ems, 8192 xms, bitmap only, start in full screen, compatilibirt for 95
[09:44:39] <Dominus> bitmap only could have been my problem... testing...
[09:44:51] <Soul|LOVE> also it's on a fat32 parition
[09:44:55] <Soul|LOVE> i doubt that would make a difference though
[09:45:20] <Dominus> no go (all my system is on fat32 :-))
[09:45:29] <Soul|LOVE> :/
[09:45:31] <Soul|LOVE> dry
[09:45:33] <Soul|LOVE> sry
[09:45:39] <Soul|LOVE> i'm also using a p2 @ 500mhz w/640mb ram
[09:46:21] <Dominus> anything special set on display?
[09:46:44] <Soul|LOVE> 256 colors
[09:47:08] <Dominus> hm, I mean that other tab, where you set full screen
[09:47:15] <Soul|LOVE> nope
[09:48:12] * Dominus does have a German version of XP, so I don't know what the tabs are called in English
[09:48:40] <Dominus> can you send me your pif file to gigdr@tesionmail.de?
[09:48:54] <Soul|LOVE> in a bit yeah, i'm doing maintenance on that machine
[09:49:11] <Dominus> also, do you have anything special set on autoexec.nt and config.nt ?
[09:49:25] <Soul|LOVE> no
[09:49:27] <Soul|LOVE> they're both empty
[09:49:30] <Soul|LOVE> HOWEVER
[09:49:44] <Dominus> and is it the Home or Professional Version you are using? (I'm using Pro)
[09:49:45] <Soul|LOVE> under [386enh] in system.ini (or maybe it's win.ini) I have pervmfiles=40
[09:49:50] <Soul|LOVE> corporate edition
[09:49:57] <Soul|LOVE> no WPA
[09:50:20] <Dominus> ok, so you are also Pro :-)
[09:50:29] <Soul|LOVE> there are 2 pro editions
[09:50:35] <Soul|LOVE> 1 corp and 1 non-corp
[09:50:45] <Soul|LOVE> the non-corp version has to be activated
[09:50:47] <Soul|LOVE> just like home
[09:51:00] <Dominus> what do you mean your *.nt are empty? did you delete all there is in those files?
[09:51:17] <Soul|LOVE> oh .nt
[09:51:24] <Soul|LOVE> thought you meant .bat/sys
[09:51:26] <Soul|LOVE> i dunno about those
[09:51:28] <Soul|LOVE> i'll look later
[09:52:24] <Dominus> could you send me those along with the pif file once you are done with system maintenance?
[09:52:33] <Soul|LOVE> yeah
[09:52:36] <Soul|LOVE> it's gonna be tomorrow tho
[09:52:43] <Dominus> huh?
[09:52:49] <Soul|LOVE> i won't be done til ltomorrow
[09:53:24] <Dominus> okay, never got it to start up to now, so I can wait another day :-)
[09:58:07] <sbx> what is the formula to convert from dec to hex?
[09:58:40] <Wumpus> "formula" ?
[09:58:51] <Wumpus> its base 16 vs base 10, I dunno about there being a closed form formula
[09:58:59] * Dominus was once very god at this but then he discovered a little tool on Windows that did it by pressing a button and since than forgot all about it
[09:59:08] <Wumpus> there's an algorithm, certainly, its not all that hard... much easier to use a calculator which supports both though ;-p
[09:59:09] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[09:59:15] <Soul|LOVE> when i was in cotef i made a simple one
[09:59:32] <Soul|LOVE> i had a string and I would divide by 16 or the next highest possible hex chunk
[09:59:45] <Soul|LOVE> until I was below 16
[09:59:49] <Wumpus> hmm
[09:59:49] <sbx> Wumpus: i dont have a calculator and am bad with math, can you tell me what 238006 is
[09:59:51] <Soul|LOVE> then i took that result and added as hex
[09:59:56] <Soul|LOVE> it wasn't hard
[09:59:57] <Wumpus> printf( "%x\n", some_number ) ;-p
[10:00:22] <Dominus> 3a1b6
[10:00:24] <sbx> hehe that worked
[10:00:29] <sbx> Dominus: already got it :-)
[10:00:45] <Wumpus> oh... *only sees the question now*
[10:00:47] <Dominus> :-)
[10:00:47] <Wumpus> yeah that, oh well :)
[10:01:03] <sbx> actually i did 'printf %x 238006'
[10:01:05] <sbx> in bash
[10:01:47] <Wumpus> *nod*
[10:02:10] <Dominus> brb
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[10:07:14] <wjp> hi
[10:07:17] <sbx> hi
[10:07:19] <Soul|LOVE> heil
[10:07:34] <Wumpus> evening wjp
[10:08:34] --- Darke|afk is now known as Darke
[10:08:43] <Darke> Hi wjp.
[10:11:38] <Wumpus> mm yay, sarien works :)
[10:12:28] <sbx> do you know AGI yet?
[10:12:40] <Wumpus> I know a fair amount of it, yeah
[10:12:51] <Wumpus> or I used to, anyway, back when sarien sucked and I was working on my own thing :P
[10:14:39] <Soul|LOVE> what would you say is the largest ultima resource site you know of?
[10:14:55] <Soul|LOVE> as in, having more documentation, utilities, and information then any other
[10:15:03] <Soul|LOVE> spanning the entire series, over all consoles/ports
[10:15:14] * sbx doesn't go to Ultima websites.
[10:15:18] <Soul|LOVE> ahhh i see
[10:15:46] <sbx> well ive been to two in the past year
[10:15:50] <sbx> but briefly :-)
[10:16:18] * Darke doesn't really either. He's usually looking for something in specific, hits the search engine, then the specific part of the website he wants then disappears again. <grin>
[10:16:27] <sbx> yes
[10:16:39] <Soul|LOVE> i know exactly what you mean
[10:16:47] <Soul|LOVE> and so a few nights ago I had a vision
[10:17:00] <Soul|LOVE> a vision of a single location that had essentially all possible resources
[10:17:11] <Soul|LOVE> all documenation, all the utilities, all the ports
[10:17:39] <sbx> an attempt to do that doesnt already exist?
[10:17:59] <Soul|LOVE> there are a few, but none entail the entire series
[10:18:07] <sbx> maybe they try to
[10:19:40] <sbx> Darke: does relative offset mean x number of bytes after the opcode, or after the opcode and parameters?
[10:19:53] <Darke> sbx: Just a sec.
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[10:20:20] <Dominus> hi again
[10:20:26] * sbx ReHi's Dominus.
[10:21:47] * Dominus still wonders how Soul|LOVE got Uw2 to run in XP :-)
[10:22:05] <Soul|LOVE> it ran in 98 before that
[10:22:09] <Darke> sbx: Straight out of the code.
[10:22:12] <Darke> real offset = offset of start of current opcode
[10:22:12] <Darke> + int of parameter (since you can jump backwards)
[10:22:12] <Darke> + 1 (size of "opcode")
[10:22:12] <Darke> + size of "opcode" parameter data
[10:22:14] <Darke> NOTE: since param is unsigned, a twos-complimant is required:
[10:22:15] <Darke> formula: 0xFFFF - (unsigned short)param + 1
[10:22:15] <Soul|LOVE> you're using fat32, why not dual boot
[10:22:17] <Darke> ^^^^^^ max of unsighed short
[10:22:36] <Darke> return op._offset + ((param>>15) ? (-1 * (0xFFFF - (unsigned short)param + 1)) : (int)param) + 1 + op._params.size();
[10:22:48] <Darke> That's the actuall line of code that does the work. <grin>
[10:23:12] <Darke> sbx: Any questions?
[10:24:26] * Darke notes that piece of code has an 8:2 comment:code ratio. <grin>
[10:25:07] <Dominus> Soul|LOVE: I do have ME set up as well, but I don't like to dual boot that much as I'm mostly working on XP and all my programs I use set up in XP. I like to occasionally play it and not specifically start Me just for one game
[10:26:13] <sbx> Darke: + int of parameter (since you can jump backwards) ?
[10:27:47] <Darke> sbx: According to the code, the jump target is a signed relative value. I haven't actually checked this in... err... 12 months? <grin> It should be correct.
[10:29:06] <sbx> Darke: it is two bytes
[10:30:17] <Darke> sbx: Yes, it's a unsigned short int, thus the two's complement conversion into signed short int. Or am I misinterpreting you?
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[10:32:40] <sbx> Darke: you are not misinterpreting me, the amount of data you gave has just taken me some time to parse :-)
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[10:33:54] <Darke> sbx: No problem. <grin> Even I can't understand that function easily.
[10:33:57] <sbx> Darke: but i wanted just the relative offset, so subtract offset of start of current opcode would do it?
[10:34:00] <sbx> heh
[10:34:09] <Soul|LOVE> wow this is boring
[10:34:13] <Soul|LOVE> i'll play u7 on top of it
[10:34:19] <Soul|LOVE> ahhhh time to build my wood shack again
[10:34:29] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: heh im making Finnigan give you the password no matter what :P
[10:34:48] <Soul|LOVE> will it be implemented in exult?
[10:34:55] <sbx> no
[10:34:58] <Soul|LOVE> D:
[10:35:01] <Soul|LOVE> HAHAHA
[10:35:06] <Soul|LOVE> when i loaded my game
[10:35:13] <Soul|LOVE> my paladins were still standing there and a tentacle showed up
[10:35:22] <Soul|LOVE> they hopped off and killed the tentacle
[10:35:22] <sbx> _your_ paladins?
[10:35:24] <Soul|LOVE> now they're chasing a wisp
[10:35:33] <Soul|LOVE> yes, the ones that I ran over and got stuck in my wagon
[10:35:33] <Soul|LOVE> i have pics of it
[10:35:49] <Darke> sbx: No, because the jump offset is calculated from the 'end' of the entire opcode (including parameter data), not the start.
[10:37:02] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: they are like bodyguards :-)
[10:37:32] <sbx> Darke: that would be the "simple" answer my original question
[10:38:20] <Soul|LOVE> HAHAHA I KNEW IT!
[10:38:26] <Soul|LOVE> the pirate camp in the desert has TONS of logs
[10:38:33] <Soul|LOVE> yes i am glad i got the ship first
[10:39:05] <Soul|LOVE> the hull holds tons of logs
[10:39:43] <Soul|LOVE> i'm stealing their barrells too
[10:39:44] <sbx> Darke: and I am correct after testing, using the above method, but removing the offset of start of current opcode, leaves you the relative offset of the jump
[10:39:45] <Soul|LOVE> those damn pirates
[10:39:47] <Darke> sbx: <grin> If you haven't guessed by now, I don't tend to give 'simple' answers to questions on first go. Mainly because I don't know exactly what you're asking, so I tend to overwhelm you with information.
[10:40:13] <sbx> Darke: i am not a good asker? :-(
[10:40:35] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: screenshots?
[10:40:40] <Soul|LOVE> i'm getting many
[10:40:49] <Soul|LOVE> iater i'll put em all up after i build mah house
[10:40:53] <sbx> it is next best thing to multiplayer i guess
[10:41:15] <Soul|LOVE> ah CRAP
[10:41:25] <Soul|LOVE> i took away the staircase before i looted the cannon and powder kegs
[10:41:26] <Soul|LOVE> a dumbhead is me
[10:41:34] * Soul|LOVE rebuilds the staircase of logs
[10:41:45] <Darke> sbx: I'm guessing it's because I'm not a good undestander. <grin> The problem is a 'simple' question may not be... precise enough for me to know how best to answer it. So it requires more dialog to get a 'good' answer.
[10:42:40] <sbx> Darke: then thank you for dialog'ging me, now I can redo this Finnigan code
[10:42:50] <sbx> hmm
[10:43:39] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: where is your ship going with all the materials?
[10:43:46] <Soul|LOVE> dunno yet
[10:44:08] * sbx wonders why Soul|LOVE doesn't just live in the ready-made pirate camp.
[10:44:30] <Soul|LOVE> hahah cannons fit inside crates
[10:44:31] <Soul|LOVE> because
[10:44:47] <Soul|LOVE> then i wouldn't have the satisfaction buliding my own
[10:45:05] <Soul|LOVE> plus hmm
[10:45:14] <Soul|LOVE> i guess the ship hold has unlimited space
[10:45:21] <Wumpus> yeah cannons are fairly compact
[10:45:36] <Wumpus> i had several in my backpack :) (three i think)...
[10:45:49] <Soul|LOVE> damn there's a lot of logs here
[10:45:50] <Soul|LOVE> at least 40
[10:45:52] <Wumpus> and i stopped because is stopped looking, not because it filledu p
[10:46:02] * Wumpus has a cannon in each hand :)
[10:46:06] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[10:46:13] <Wumpus> (it'd be great to see a paper doll of that ;-p)
[10:46:22] <Soul|LOVE> i'll write a guide to wood harvesting in u7
[10:46:25] <Soul|LOVE> with screenshot support
[10:47:00] <sbx> instead of a story about when the Avatar started ripping people's houses apart?
[10:47:37] <Soul|LOVE> shhh
[10:47:37] <Soul|LOVE> quiet
[10:47:51] <Soul|LOVE> sometimes to create good you must do bad
[10:48:03] * Wumpus hmms
[10:48:22] <Soul|LOVE> ok
[10:48:27] <Soul|LOVE> gonna hit up anopther pirate camp
[10:48:42] <Soul|LOVE> nah that one doesn' thave wood
[10:48:51] <Soul|LOVE> i'll just go to my wagon and get mah wood then find a building spot
[10:49:11] <sbx> its not really bad, LB probably wants pirate shacks dismantled
[10:49:25] <Soul|LOVE> well i also robbed the people of yew of all their wood too
[10:49:40] <sbx> the yew citizens are tax evaders
[10:49:46] <Soul|LOVE> oh yeah
[10:49:48] <Soul|LOVE> damn those law breakers
[10:49:53] <Soul|LOVE> Marshall Avatar
[10:50:30] <Wumpus> vigilantism ill becomes you ;-p
[10:50:47] <Soul|LOVE> bah
[10:53:22] <sbx> how do you powderize a cannon?
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[10:54:27] <Soul|LOVE> powderize?
[10:54:39] <Soul|LOVE> you need a powder keg and a cannon ball near it to fire, unless you equip it to your hand
[10:55:18] <Soul|LOVE> ahha i found it
[10:55:21] <Soul|LOVE> the broken pirate ship camp
[10:55:24] <Soul|LOVE> more logs for me!
[10:57:01] <Dominus> wjp: are you there? or matto? I need to know who Sebastian is in the Sword of Truth books. I just started PoC and he shows up and I kind of remember a character named sebastian but I don't know who he is anymore. Please help a fried brain :-)
[10:57:37] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: where is that?
[10:57:48] <Soul|LOVE> it's behind the mountains on the main island of jhelom
[10:57:58] <Soul|LOVE> if you head SE from jhelom there's a fence with a gap
[10:58:17] <Soul|LOVE> there's a few locked chests, some bags, trash, a camp, broke ship peices, logs, and some pirates
[10:58:31] <Wumpus> hehe
[10:58:36] * Wumpus sees soul's eyes light up
[10:58:40] <Soul|LOVE> :P
[10:58:44] <Wumpus> can you make logs at all?
[10:58:52] <Soul|LOVE> not without cheating
[10:59:17] <Soul|LOVE> OMG
[10:59:23] <Soul|LOVE> i found a single log on a tiny island with a hut!!!
[10:59:28] <Soul|LOVE> OMG 4 LOGS
[10:59:50] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[10:59:56] <Soul|LOVE> a tiny 1 room hut, with dead chickens and a key
[11:00:00] <Soul|LOVE> oh well
[11:00:27] <Dominus> the key is veeeeeeeeeeeeeery important in BG
[11:00:35] <Soul|LOVE> skeleton key?
[11:00:41] <Dominus> right :-)
[11:00:45] <Soul|LOVE> yeah thought so
[11:00:53] <Soul|LOVE> i forget stuff after not playing for so long
[11:00:55] * Darke earperks.
[11:00:56] <sbx> on that same island?
[11:01:02] <sbx> i never knew there was a skeleton key
[11:01:07] <Soul|LOVE> yeah
[11:01:19] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[11:01:22] <Soul|LOVE> now to decide where to bulid
[11:01:28] <sbx> Darke: i screwed Finnigan up, now he says nothing :)
[11:01:33] <Soul|LOVE> i'm thinking on one of the really tiny islands north of jhelom
[11:01:37] <Dominus> there is one in SI as well on Cat (somename) island
[11:01:44] <Dominus> a skeleton key I mean
[11:01:51] <sbx> Darke: but i get the password :)
[11:01:57] <Soul|LOVE> theres 1 here that's a little bigger with some trees and a mountain, then one tiny tiny oen with just a patch of grass
[11:02:12] * Darke giggles at sbx. "Well... it kind of works."
[11:02:38] <sbx> now 'noble's only purpose is to stand at the center of Trinsic and dispense passwords
[11:03:02] <Wumpus> sbx :)
[11:03:07] * Darke grins.
[11:05:31] <Wumpus> he should follow you ;-p
[11:05:57] <Wumpus> like that guy in ... the mage city of SI
[11:06:07] <sbx> hmm.. i wonder if callis add_to_party would crash the game
[11:07:03] <sbx> which island is the main island of Jhelom?
[11:07:15] <Darke> sbx: It depends what the handling is for exult if usecode tries to add more then 8 characters without checking first.
[11:07:59] <sbx> hmm
[11:08:09] <Soul|LOVE> ahh what fun, building a house of logs!
[11:08:15] <sbx> where now?
[11:08:21] <Dominus> wjp, matto: helloooo?
[11:08:29] <Wumpus> is it possible to have more than 6 followers during BG? (apart from the two temporary ones during SB)?
[11:08:32] * Darke lightbulbs and remembers what that shack is.
[11:08:37] <Soul|LOVE> in BG?
[11:08:40] <Soul|LOVE> black gate had a max of 8
[11:08:47] <Soul|LOVE> except some people wouldn't join if you had 6
[11:09:04] <Wumpus> most people won't join when you have 5
[11:09:13] <Wumpus> except tseramed, as far as i can tell
[11:09:23] <Soul|LOVE> all the core companions will join
[11:09:25] <Soul|LOVE> up to 8
[11:09:30] <Wumpus> 8?
[11:09:34] <Soul|LOVE> yes
[11:09:35] <Wumpus> there's only 7 spare seats on the carpet
[11:09:38] <Soul|LOVE> 8 total including you
[11:09:44] <Wumpus> oh :)
[11:09:44] <Dominus> but Iolo and spark ALWAYS join you, so telling them to leave, take some others and let them rejoin works
[11:09:52] <Soul|LOVE> shamino will join too
[11:09:54] <Soul|LOVE> and tseramed
[11:09:55] <Soul|LOVE> i think
[11:10:03] <sbx> i always felt bad telling them to leave
[11:10:10] <Dominus> bah
[11:10:18] <Wumpus> so you can momentarily have a total of 8 followers (+1 for yourself) when you're dragging around the people in SB?
[11:10:22] <sbx> old man Iolo wants to feel useful, and Spark has those puppy dog eyes
[11:10:30] <sbx> :P
[11:10:36] <Soul|LOVE> i always had 8
[11:10:43] <Dominus> me too
[11:10:52] * Wumpus wonders what happens if you try to leave SB with the extra person :P
[11:10:52] <Soul|LOVE> i only remember being told a few times (by julia) that she didn't wanna join
[11:10:58] <Soul|LOVE> sb?
[11:11:03] <Wumpus> Skara Brae
[11:11:04] <sbx> skara brae
[11:11:06] <Soul|LOVE> o
[11:11:09] <Wumpus> where you get.. Rowenna briefly.. and...
[11:11:11] <Soul|LOVE> yeah
[11:11:12] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[11:11:12] <Wumpus> some other guy :P
[11:11:19] <Soul|LOVE> i think she will tell you that
[11:11:23] <Wumpus> oh yeah, the mayor
[11:11:24] <sbx> where is the skeleton key?
[11:11:24] <Soul|LOVE> your party is too big
[11:11:39] <Soul|LOVE> on an island NE of jhelom
[11:11:42] <Dominus> difference between exult and the original, once you kicked spark out of the party he is supossed to follow you, no matter what
[11:11:43] <Soul|LOVE> it has a hut and some logs
[11:11:50] <sbx> thanks
[11:11:58] <Soul|LOVE> he never followed me in the original;
[11:12:03] <sbx> Dominus: i kicked him out
[11:12:03] <Soul|LOVE> only if I told him I didn't want him the first time
[11:12:04] <Dominus> and some dead chicken
[11:12:07] <Soul|LOVE> after that I coudl tell him to leave
[11:12:10] <Soul|LOVE> and he'd go home
[11:12:21] <Dominus> Soul|LOVE: could be
[11:12:36] <sbx> if you say no at first he will follow anyway, but you can tell him to leave after that
[11:12:51] <Soul|LOVE> question: do I want a rug or some form of floor in my house, or will grass suffice
[11:13:03] <Dominus> a rug
[11:13:06] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: are you a troll?
[11:13:10] <Soul|LOVE> sometimes
[11:13:17] <Soul|LOVE> you cant' pickup rugs without cheating
[11:13:19] <sbx> then grass or dirt will do
[11:13:26] <sbx> for that reason too
[11:13:43] <sbx> it would be acceptable to turn on hackmove to put a portrait on the wall
[11:13:55] <Soul|LOVE> i have to start by not cheating at all
[11:14:03] <Soul|LOVE> seeing how much of a "home" i can make
[11:14:12] <Soul|LOVE> ima write a big thing then post it on exult boards
[11:14:38] <Soul|LOVE> uh oh
[11:14:41] <Soul|LOVE> i just realized
[11:14:47] <Soul|LOVE> arrrgh nooo
[11:14:48] <Soul|LOVE> oh wait nm
[11:14:52] <Soul|LOVE> i can have support pillars
[11:14:53] <Soul|LOVE> ahh ok
[11:16:11] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: i found a little room inside the mountains on an island NE of jhelom
[11:16:17] <sbx> but that is not it is it?
[11:16:24] <Soul|LOVE> no
[11:16:28] <Soul|LOVE> it's an open hut
[11:16:31] <Soul|LOVE> err in the open
[11:16:41] <Soul|LOVE> hit f3 and bring up the automap
[11:16:48] <Soul|LOVE> then look at skara brae
[11:16:57] <Soul|LOVE> SE of skara braw there's kind of a peninsula
[11:17:06] <Soul|LOVE> and at that peninsula tip there are some island
[11:17:08] <Soul|LOVE> islands *
[11:17:28] <Soul|LOVE> look at the southernmost of those, which is a tad NE of the first jhelom one
[11:17:30] <Soul|LOVE> that's it
[11:17:48] <sbx> ok
[11:18:49] <Soul|LOVE> oh no!
[11:18:52] <Soul|LOVE> i'm 1 log short!!!
[11:18:54] <Soul|LOVE> NOOOO
[11:19:01] <Soul|LOVE> ah wait i shall improvise
[11:19:46] <sbx> find another?
[11:19:58] <Soul|LOVE> no, use the wagon to turn one of the logs around
[11:20:56] <sbx> where is your house?
[11:21:11] <Soul|LOVE> it's the first island directly NW of the house with the hut
[11:21:18] <Soul|LOVE> it has a tiny cluster of rock and then some trees in the center
[11:21:19] <Darke> sbx: It's at 110 south 28 west by sextant, 028c 08ba by cheat menu.
[11:21:21] <Soul|LOVE> with an open space
[11:21:27] <sbx> Darke: what is?
[11:21:34] <Darke> sbx: The hut.
[11:21:45] <sbx> Darke: hmm.. i found that already but thanks for checking :-)
[11:21:53] <Dominus> hmm, I don't see your house here
[11:21:54] <Dominus> :-)
[11:22:04] <Darke> sbx: Ahh... ok.
[11:22:25] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[11:22:30] <Soul|LOVE> i hope you don't see it
[11:22:33] <sbx> i will come look at your house Soul|LOVE... oops a multiplayer exult hasnt been made yet
[11:22:47] <Soul|LOVE> haha it worked
[11:22:49] * Darke gets the feeling you can't walk out as far into the water in exult as you can in u7...
[11:22:52] <Soul|LOVE> the wagon flipped it
[11:23:01] <sbx> how far can you walk out in the original?
[11:23:02] <Wumpus> darke- yeah, i've thought that too
[11:23:11] <Wumpus> landing the boat sees to be *much* harder than i remember it...
[11:23:13] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: cool i never knew you could do that
[11:23:23] <Soul|LOVE> yeah but it works ebtter in exult
[11:23:24] <Darke> sbx: Right to the 'edge' of the moving water tile from memory.
[11:23:28] <Soul|LOVE> in the original, it WOULD flip them
[11:23:39] <Soul|LOVE> but while you were holding it, it would go back to it's original position
[11:23:52] <Soul|LOVE> so it was hard as hell to place it correctly
[11:24:05] <sbx> i have had hard times landing ships in Exult
[11:24:06] <Wumpus> hehe
[11:24:31] <Wumpus> i mean it was irritiating in the Real Thing
[11:24:39] <Wumpus> but its damn near impossible in exult sometimes :(
[11:24:46] * Wumpus just thought he was mistaken though, and took to the carpet ;-p
[11:24:48] <Darke> Exult seems to limit you to about the 'middle' of the tile.
[11:25:37] * Wumpus notes that if you can get your hands on the 3 generator items, then you can go straight to avatar isel from there... and you don't really need the cadelite helmets...
[11:25:56] <Soul|LOVE> ah crap
[11:25:58] <sbx> but how do you get one of the generator items without the helmets?
[11:26:02] <Soul|LOVE> you can use the ship to turn em around too
[11:26:23] <Wumpus> sbx- if yuo have 60hit points (from FoV), i've found (at least in exult), you can make it in without your head exploding
[11:26:44] <sbx> you experience severe damage still i take it?
[11:26:49] <Wumpus> *nod*
[11:26:55] <sbx> and everyone else dies
[11:26:55] <sbx> hehe
[11:27:41] <Wumpus> still, you have to do most of the sphere stuff and its lead up... get yuor hands on the time lord, which is alot of work... :|
[11:28:51] <sbx> "Your not going to believe the _Time Lord_ are you Avatar?! Mwahaha"
[11:30:05] <Wumpus> yeah..
[11:30:11] <Wumpus> is that suppose to come the first time you go there?
[11:30:26] * Wumpus is consistently getting it the second time (after discovering what the sphere's protection does
[11:30:26] <Wumpus> )
[11:30:33] <Wumpus> haven't checked what the original does though
[11:30:48] <Soul|LOVE> damn
[11:30:53] <Soul|LOVE> there's not enough wood to make a complete roof :/
[11:30:55] * sbx doesn't remember.
[11:30:57] <Soul|LOVE> all
[11:30:58] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: nooo
[11:30:59] <Soul|LOVE> well
[11:31:05] <Soul|LOVE> a complete non hole roof
[11:31:12] <Soul|LOVE> i have that nasty ass broken driftwood still :/
[11:31:23] <Soul|LOVE> now there's some quality wood
[11:32:18] * sbx likes rotten boards.
[11:32:30] <Soul|LOVE> they leak
[11:32:43] <Soul|LOVE> wtf!
[11:32:46] <Soul|LOVE> items in exult don't fall!
[11:32:51] <Soul|LOVE> HA! it will be a lot easier to build this roof
[11:33:05] <Soul|LOVE> well some fall
[11:33:14] <Soul|LOVE> but the ones on top aren't falling
[11:33:42] <Dominus> Wumpus: what is it with your bugs from CVS 0.95 that are not repeatable in the current version? :-)
[11:33:57] <Wumpus> dominus- ? which ones ?
[11:33:58] <matto> Dominus!!!!!!!
[11:34:02] * Wumpus thought he had tried all of them
[11:34:33] <Dominus> he he, it's actually okay :-)
[11:34:41] <Dominus> matto!!!
[11:34:54] <Wumpus> dominus- huh?
[11:35:29] <Dominus> matto: who is sebastian in Sword of Truth (pre PoC). He turns up in PoC and I think I know him from another book but can't remember
[11:35:38] <Dominus> Wumpus: bad joke, forget it
[11:35:45] <Wumpus> dominus- oh :)
[11:35:48] * Wumpus is half asleep :P
[11:35:52] <matto> Dominus: he is a new character.. you don't know him
[11:36:14] <matto> at least I don't think you do! :)
[11:36:15] * Wumpus only gets to use the 'net after 8pm usually, and i wake up early in the morning anyway, so I'm rarely entirely awake when i'm here :P
[11:36:15] <Dominus> ah, okay, I though he was one of the evil mages or something
[11:36:29] <wjp> matto: he might have showed up earlier... I can't remember though
[11:36:35] <matto> wjp!! :)
[11:36:43] <Dominus> hi wjp
[11:36:51] <matto> I just finished book 4 again last night
[11:36:54] <Wumpus> ohhh
[11:36:56] <matto> it had some funny parts I had forgotten
[11:37:06] <Wumpus> that reminds me of another one i had which was very irritating in its own way
[11:37:17] * Wumpus needs to work out how to reproduce it effectively though :)
[11:37:28] * Wumpus wanders off to do some bug synthesizing :-)
[11:37:29] <matto> like page 370 for example :)
[11:37:38] * wjp doesn't have the books here
[11:37:44] * wjp is at work
[11:38:34] <Wumpus> mmm exult in 512x384x2 :-)
[11:38:44] <matto> it's the part where two bad wizards and two bad sisters come to see Nathan .. and one of the wizards threatens him and calls him 'old man' and Nathan flicks his wrist and the young wizard cries out and drops to the floor hehehe
[11:38:45] <Wumpus> *adjusts*
[11:38:46] <Dominus> wjp: a question on your u8extract - how about using the 0.u8o file to create the actual names of the objects in the flexes (just something we noticed while trying to figure out the sfx compression - we being also Aquamarin Dragon, who figured out the U9 music compression)
[11:39:02] <wjp> matto: oh, yeah, that part was kind of good :-)
[11:39:44] <wjp> Dominus: because I didn't need it :-)
[11:39:49] <Wumpus> hey there should be an option to draw exult as the X background :)
[11:40:01] <matto> TG is going to be doing a book signing on Saturday. If I went, it would be about a 6-7 hour drive one way to get there. I don't think I'm going to go, but it doesn't get much closer than that :(
[11:40:04] <Wumpus> (now that would be painful :P)
[11:40:12] <wjp> Dominus: umm... that was more of a response to "why didn't you ...?"
[11:40:18] * wjp should read messages better
[11:40:31] <Dominus> wjp: I still understood :-)
[11:40:55] <wjp> I guess I could
[11:41:21] <Dominus> wjp: something for a theoretical to-do list once we reach Exult 1.04 or so :-)
[11:41:24] * Darke now knows who's been creating all his bugs, it's Wumpus! <grin>
[11:41:34] <Wumpus> darke- :P
[11:41:45] <Dominus> Darke: Wumpus tries to copy me .-)
[11:41:49] * Wumpus has a number of minor ones he has to remember, and one reasonably biggie which i'm working on now
[11:42:20] <wjp> which one?
[11:42:25] * Darke thinks Wumpus should have picked a better word then 'synthesize' then. <grin>
[11:43:24] <sbx> a biggie?
[11:43:29] <sbx> where?
[11:43:58] <Dominus> sbx: about copy protection: I know everyone can get the answers and it is even linked to from the origin site but I still think you shouldn't post sth like that in the forum. After all answering the copy protection actually saves you a nasty death after all
[11:45:25] <Wumpus> wjp- if that 'which one' was to me... getting duplicate NPCs in a lot of places... always monsters, and the duplicates tend to be inert (IE wander around doing nothing), but broken all the same.... also, the second ghost in the town hall in SB *isn't* there in the original, at least not in myoriginal (someone yesterday was saying it was there...)
[11:45:35] <Wumpus> well `monsters' -> enemies
[11:45:50] <sbx> Dominus: i was trying to be helpful, i mentioned to him it could cause problems not doing it properly
[11:45:51] <Wumpus> unique ones, that is...
[11:46:03] <Wumpus> which is why its interesting... as i understand it, they shouldn't be coming from eggs
[11:46:39] <wjp> did you hackmove anybody in the neighbourhood?
[11:46:52] <Wumpus> nope, i was getting that when i was playing through "properly"
[11:46:55] <wjp> ok, good
[11:47:00] <Wumpus> the only cheating i did on that run was to use infravision :P
[11:47:09] <wjp> (there's some possible duplication in hackmoving NPCs around)
[11:47:39] <Wumpus> woot, it looks like this one is repeatable
[11:47:59] <-- Kirben has left IRC ("System Meltdown")
[11:48:04] <sbx> Wumpus: but then of course that isnt cheating because you think the light level is too low isnt it? :-)
[11:48:11] <Wumpus> (the mage in the magic locked area near the sphere generator... as soon as i head up stairs, i get lots of copies... *up*stairs
[11:48:14] <Wumpus> sbx- blah ;-p
[11:48:20] <Dominus> sbx: I know that you wanted to be helpful and I didn't treat it serious (after all there is a nice moderator option in the forum) but the reason 'm against telling people stuff like that is that if EA one day decides to move against us we can still say we didn't encourage piracy and even from answering copy protections
[11:48:46] <Wumpus> tehre may be one 'extra' mage upstairs anyway, but in any case, i'm getting a lot more than there should be
[11:48:46] <Wumpus> *experiments some more*
[11:49:03] <sbx> Dominus: do you refresh the forum every 30 seconds? :-)
[11:49:20] <Dominus> 15 actually!
[11:49:22] <Dominus> :-)
[11:49:26] <sbx> hehe
[11:49:30] --- Kreed_asleep is now known as _Kreed_
[11:49:33] <Wumpus> :P
[11:49:50] <Dominus> sbx: I'm bored and I'm waiting for my girlfriend to pick me up shortly
[11:50:58] <sbx> ok
[11:51:06] <matto> Dominus: don't let that Spark thread die!
[11:51:46] <Darke> Dominus: Yes, I agree, don't let it die. Delete it before it gets the chance. <grin>
[11:52:04] * Dominus slaps matto with a giant trout
[11:52:14] <matto> ouch!
[11:52:18] <Wumpus> darke :)
[11:52:21] * matto deletes Darke
[11:52:43] <Dominus> I'm glad wjp did kick matto two days ago for a post in 'that' thread
[11:52:49] * Darke is impressed, existing, yet not existing.
[11:53:00] <matto> oh is that what happened?
[11:53:07] <matto> I must've been gone at the time
[11:53:09] <Dominus> ?logs
[11:53:09] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[11:53:15] <Dominus> he he
[11:53:33] <matto> maybe wjp kicked me because of my Italian :)
[11:53:59] <Soul|LOVE> well
[11:54:06] <Dominus> 23:10:05] <-- matto was kicked from #exult by wjp (wjp)
[11:54:06] <Dominus> [23:10:06] --> matto has joined #exult
[11:54:06] <Dominus> [23:10:09] <wjp> there :-)
[11:54:07] <Dominus> [23:10:17] <wjp> you deserved that for that post in 'that' thread
[11:54:09] <Soul|LOVE> 100 screenshots late ri'm having some roofing problems
[11:54:14] <Soul|LOVE> because of these damn broken/rotted logs
[11:54:25] <Dominus> on the decembre the 4th
[11:54:44] <Soul|LOVE> 144 screenshots
[11:54:47] <Soul|LOVE> who here is on broadband?
[11:54:58] <Dominus> me
[11:55:08] <Dominus> download at least
[11:55:13] <Wumpus> ah hhmm, okay, looks like there is supposed to be one mage guy upstairs... but not several :)
[11:55:27] <matto> Dominus: ahhh... I see :)
[11:55:28] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: can you put them up?
[11:55:30] * Darke pawwaves t Soul|LOVE.
[11:55:32] <Soul|LOVE> wanna see the pics?
[11:55:39] * Dominus thinks he know of which place Wumpus is speaking about
[11:55:40] <Soul|LOVE> i will put them up in story form later
[11:55:43] <Soul|LOVE> for now i'll put em up as a zip
[11:55:54] <Dominus> coll, I'd like them
[11:55:55] <Soul|LOVE> it's 6mb in size
[11:56:00] <Soul|LOVE> 144 pics
[11:56:01] <Dominus> cool actually :-)
[11:56:10] <Dominus> 6mb is okay
[11:56:20] <Soul|LOVE> gimme just a sec
[11:56:21] <sbx> alright
[11:56:37] <Soul|LOVE> some were taken soley for the humor i found in them
[11:56:44] <Soul|LOVE> and some were taken to "Explain" sort of, what I was doing
[11:56:46] * Dominus rather had the stuff for Uw2 though :-)
[11:56:51] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[11:56:57] * Darke can't, his contract explicitly says 'no servers'... which doesn't mean he doesn't have half a dozen sitting on his box... they're all password protected though. <grin>
[11:57:23] <Soul|LOVE> you can't what
[11:57:32] <sbx> Soul|LOVE has servers
[11:57:44] <Soul|LOVE> i have plenty of space
[11:57:50] <Soul|LOVE> and i have home servers as well
[11:58:16] * Darke ahhs, don't worry, he's asleep.
[11:58:24] <Soul|LOVE> ok
[11:58:30] <Soul|LOVE> here you can DL it now
[11:58:39] <Soul|LOVE> http://www.web-ster.com/soul/u7house.zip
[11:58:57] --- wjp is now known as wjp|away
[11:59:39] <Darke> Thanks.
[12:00:49] <_Kreed_> heh
[12:00:58] <Wumpus> seriously?
[12:01:04] <Soul|LOVE> ??
[12:01:07] <_Kreed_> Soul|LOVE and his fake t1 lin
[12:01:09] <_Kreed_> :)
[12:01:20] <Soul|LOVE> what?
[12:01:39] <_Kreed_> hahahaha
[12:01:41] <Soul|LOVE> oh joo are zsnes man :P
[12:01:47] <_Kreed_> doh :)
[12:01:54] <_Kreed_> you are banned there :)
[12:02:00] <Soul|LOVE> no i'm not
[12:02:08] <_Kreed_> well you are in #zsnesboard
[12:02:24] <Soul|LOVE> for what reason
[12:02:34] <_Kreed_> dunno
[12:02:36] <_Kreed_> i didn't set it
[12:02:41] <sbx> what you guys talking about?
[12:02:44] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[12:02:45] <Soul|LOVE> there is no msg
[12:02:48] <Soul|LOVE> wtf was that for
[12:03:01] <Soul|LOVE> (%) Soul|LOVE sets mode: +i (+i)
[12:03:01] <Soul|LOVE> [11:01pm] You were kicked from #zsnesboard by X|j|sleep (BANG.)
[12:03:01] <Soul|LOVE> [11:01pm] You were kicked from #zsnesboard by Murasame (Banned)
[12:03:03] <Dominus> Soul|LOVE: what did you do? :-)
[12:03:04] <Soul|LOVE> on efnet
[12:03:05] --> Nadir has joined #exult
[12:03:06] --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Nadir
[12:03:08] <Soul|LOVE> i didn't do anything
[12:03:13] <Nadir> we have a GPL breach...
[12:03:16] <Soul|LOVE> i wasn't even looking at it
[12:03:28] <Nadir> http://www.muenster.de/~tomjoad/exult.html
[12:03:31] <Darke> Nadir: Huh?
[12:03:34] <Dominus> Nadir: where, what?
[12:03:38] <Nadir> WHERE ARE THE SOURCES ?
[12:04:31] <_Kreed_> but you can't actually download it can you?
[12:04:36] <Nadir> yes
[12:04:48] <Wumpus> well there's a 921k file linked there :)
[12:04:51] <Nadir> http://www.amiga-if.de/Exult.lzx
[12:04:53] * Wumpus wonders what .lzx is...
[12:05:03] <sbx> hehe
[12:05:06] <_Kreed_> oh
[12:05:09] * Darke blinks. Cool.
[12:05:15] <_Kreed_> the 68k archive confuses me :)
[12:05:24] <sbx> call the FSF! :P
[12:05:24] <sbx> sorry
[12:05:25] <Wumpus> hehe :P
[12:05:32] <_Kreed_> SEND IN THE GESTAPO
[12:05:35] <Darke> Nadir: Going to email him and ask? <grin>
[12:05:45] <Wumpus> send in the Guardian :)
[12:05:50] <Soul|LOVE> kreed: i 'm not banned
[12:05:52] <Soul|LOVE> i just joined
[12:05:56] <Soul|LOVE> xial hates me
[12:05:57] <Dominus> Nadir: do it nicely, though :-)
[12:06:03] <Soul|LOVE> he bans me sometimes because he doesn't like me
[12:06:37] <Darke> Nadir: Yes, having another 'port' of exult wouldn't be too bad, if it's not all that difficult to remerge into the source tree. <grin>
[12:07:33] <Dominus> Nadir: someone once mailed me about a question on the amiga port and I answered that there is no amiga port
[12:07:44] <Dominus> he never mailed back
[12:07:50] <Dominus> guess that was it
[12:08:09] <Dominus> t would be nice to have this guy as an amiga porter
[12:09:00] <Nadir> Yes. I'll write an email
[12:09:37] * Wumpus hmms... the "Category" and "group" stuff is not all that useful quite often :|
[12:11:28] <Dominus> Soul|LOVE: very funny your "walkthrough" on how to build a house
[12:12:01] <Nadir> where is that ?
[12:12:22] <Dominus> http://www.web-ster.com/soul/u7house.zip
[12:12:24] <Dominus> 6mb
[12:12:49] <sbx> he has to document it still
[12:12:53] <Darke> Nadir: strings on the lzx file shows a directory structure lacking in source as well. I'm hunting around for some decompression software, just to find out what version he used as his port. <grin>
[12:13:22] * Dominus is too lazy to fire up an amiga emulator
[12:13:45] <_Kreed_> what kind of a machine is the amiga anyway ?
[12:13:55] <sbx> is lzx like lzw?
[12:14:02] <_Kreed_> ah
[12:14:09] <_Kreed_> three letter acronyms D:
[12:14:13] <Dominus> you don't know what the amiga is?
[12:14:13] <_Kreed_> three in one sentence
[12:14:20] <_Kreed_> <sbx> is lzx like lzw?
[12:14:25] <Soul|LOVE> dominus: glad you like it :P
[12:14:25] <_Kreed_> Dominus: nope
[12:14:38] <_Kreed_> Dominus: not really that is..
[12:14:47] <Darke> sbx: It's actually lha format I think, I'm just trying to grab a decompressor.
[12:14:56] <Dominus> it's what came after the C64 (very rougly speaking)
[12:15:12] <sbx> hehe
[12:15:32] <sbx> oh
[12:15:36] * Darke hopes there aren't any amiga zealots reading the logs. <grin>
[12:15:38] <Dominus> I think lzx is a drive image for amiga
[12:15:52] <Dominus> Darke: I hope so too
[12:16:19] <Dominus> Don't think you can expand it other than using an emulator
[12:16:43] <Wumpus> I should have an LHA compressor (for DOS) lurking on one of my disks here?
[12:17:09] <Dominus> Wumpus: it is not lha AFAIK
[12:17:11] <Darke> Nope. Not lha, I think I agree with Dominus.
[12:17:27] <sbx> didnt MOD music originate on Amiga?
[12:17:33] <Wumpus> okay, darke was just trying that earlier, hehe
[12:17:34] * _Kreed_ still doesn't know what the C64 was.. and more specifically what the c64 and amiga can do
[12:17:44] <Nadir> mail sent and cc'ed to exult-general
[12:17:46] <_Kreed_> what others can't :/
[12:18:06] <Soul|LOVE> you don't know what the c64 is??
[12:18:09] <_Kreed_> NO
[12:18:18] <Soul|LOVE> how old are you?
[12:18:22] <Soul|LOVE> just wondering
[12:18:23] <Dominus> Amiga was THE personal computer for musicians at some time and for some it still is
[12:18:26] <_Kreed_> 20 :/
[12:18:30] <Soul|LOVE> ...
[12:18:47] <Darke> Kreed: It was _the_ multimedia platform of it's day, and was only technically suppassed with Super VGA & Soundblaster 16/32 came out on the PC.
[12:18:55] <sbx> it still is? hehe
[12:19:06] <_Kreed_> great
[12:19:09] <Nadir> COPYING is quite straightforward. Especially chapter 2
[12:19:09] <Dominus> sbx: some really swear on it
[12:19:12] <sbx> if you say so
[12:19:12] <sbx> oops nevermind
[12:19:19] <_Kreed_> my frist pc was a 486 with SB and svga :)
[12:19:25] <_Kreed_> hahah
[12:19:25] * Darke nods, a lot of people still swear by it.
[12:19:29] <Nadir> Amiga was NOT the personal computer for musicians. Atari ST was.
[12:19:37] <Nadir> (because it had a MIDI port)
[12:19:40] <Soul|LOVE> my first PC was a texas instrument with a copy of JOUST and dig dug
[12:19:59] <Nadir> Real musicians that is.
[12:20:01] <Soul|LOVE> my second pc was a 286 8mhz w/EGA and 20mb hdd
[12:20:02] <Wumpus> darke- and some people swear at it? :P
[12:20:23] <_Kreed_> haha
[12:20:24] <Dominus> Nadir: could be I'm confusing them
[12:20:30] * Darke grins at Wumpus. "As many that swear at other computer hardware then."
[12:20:37] <_Kreed_> lol Wumpus
[12:20:48] <Dominus> Nadir: nicely phrased email
[12:20:53] <Soul|LOVE> my THIRD pc was a 386 SX 16mhz 1mb RAM *POWERHOUSE* with a 40mb HDD
[12:20:58] <Soul|LOVE> that thing tore it up
[12:21:18] * sbx would like an amiga, and a Commodore 64, and other old^H^H^Hclassic computers for playing around with. :-)
[12:21:24] <Darke> Dominus: Not as far as I know. I've never seen or heard of an Atari ST hooked up to a midi set, where as I've seen many installations, of Amiga+keyboard hookups.
[12:21:33] <Soul|LOVE> i still have an IBM PC AT
[12:21:38] <Soul|LOVE> but not a monitor that works with it
[12:21:39] * Darke has never even seen an Atari ST. <grin>
[12:21:39] * Wumpus went XT -> 386/33/4mB -> P166/64-102Mb :-)
[12:21:46] <Soul|LOVE> i scanned in a pic of it's processor
[12:21:51] <Wumpus> s/mB/Mb/
[12:21:55] <Soul|LOVE> its * rather
[12:26:41] * Wumpus finally submits his probably incoherent du-plicate poepl report
[12:26:53] <Dominus> I couldn't get an emulator to run, or specifically i don't know how to operate an Amiga so I just gave up
[12:27:06] * Wumpus wants to be awake, grr
[12:27:21] * _Kreed_ rips Wumpus's eyelids off
[12:27:35] <sbx> ... ouch
[12:27:48] <Darke> Kreed: Doesn't help if he sleeps with his eyes open. <grin>
[12:27:52] <Soul|LOVE> dizzam i am boerd
[12:27:54] <Soul|LOVE> bored *
[12:27:56] <_Kreed_> Darke: damn :/
[12:28:02] <Wumpus> doesn't make me any more awake, in any case
[12:28:33] <_Kreed_> reminds me of an anime episode i just saw
[12:29:15] <_Kreed_> they like attached strings to some guy who always fell asleep.. if he would fall asleep, a sword hanging on the ceiling would fall on him
[12:29:24] <_Kreed_> so that kept him awake :)
[12:30:19] <Dominus> I'm just reading an interview with the Amiga porter in German where he talks about Exult studio as well
[12:30:20] * Darke considers he'd rather have do handle the problem of just falling asleep, rather then falling asleep and dying.
[12:30:46] <Soul|LOVE> yes
[12:31:28] <_Kreed_> Darke: the point is, you need a GOOD reason to stay awake.. or drink lots of caffeine
[12:32:28] <Soul|LOVE> ahh
[12:32:33] <Dominus> Nadir: in the interview he says he had contact with Jeff previously
[12:32:38] <Soul|LOVE> sweet, beautiful, sensous caffiene
[12:32:47] <Wumpus> hrmm
[12:33:10] <Wumpus> i need a faster computer with the same stuff installed, to do my compiles on :|
[12:33:20] <Dominus> Nadir: about putting an CVS amiga tree in our source
[12:33:46] <Soul|LOVE> wumpus, what kind of machine do you have now
[12:33:54] <Wumpus> P166 :|
[12:33:57] <_Kreed_> D:
[12:33:57] <Soul|LOVE> ouch
[12:34:12] <_Kreed_> you need more RAM too me thinks
[12:34:25] <Soul|LOVE> how much ram do you have?
[12:34:27] * Wumpus is wondering whethere he should upgrade before whatever it is that he does with his holiday... I was originally going to wait until i come home, wherever home will be, but hmm...
[12:34:35] <Wumpus> 102 Megs i think...
[12:34:39] <Soul|LOVE> 102?
[12:34:45] <Soul|LOVE> 128 you mean?
[12:34:47] <Wumpus> 32+32+16+16+4+4 ...
[12:34:50] <Soul|LOVE> ow
[12:34:51] <Soul|LOVE> oh
[12:34:53] <Wumpus> 104, apparently
[12:34:53] <Soul|LOVE> simms?
[12:34:53] <Wumpus> :)
[12:34:54] <_Kreed_> weird number
[12:35:16] <Darke> Nadir: (Amiga email) Nice work. I like the wording.
[12:35:20] <Wumpus> yeah it is :) used to be 64, and then some scavenging happened... I'm not at all sure the 4s are a good idea, but i've eben too lazy to test with/without
[12:35:55] <Soul|LOVE> well simms didnt' have as much varience back then
[12:36:01] <Soul|LOVE> there were the 4k refresh and the 2k refresh
[12:36:08] <Nadir> Dominus: that's all ok, but it still doesn't resolve the issues
[12:36:10] <Soul|LOVE> partiy/non parity
[12:36:15] <Soul|LOVE> but no massive differences
[12:36:15] <Dominus> Nadir, Darke: here is the interview with the Amiga porter in english http://www.online-club.de/~ARENA/Ruediger_EN.txt
[12:36:28] <Wumpus> actually yeah, the 2x32 would themselves be the oldest ones now
[12:36:35] <Dominus> Nadir: just to point it out
[12:37:31] <Nadir> Dominus: can't connect to that URL. It's timing out
[12:37:36] <Wumpus> works for me....
[12:37:51] <Darke> Nadir: Works for me.
[12:38:24] <Nadir> thanks _Kreed_ :)
[12:38:54] <_Kreed_> :)
[12:39:11] <Dominus> quite some refernce you can find by searching on Exult and amiga on google
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[12:40:27] <Nadir> It even *praises* the party formation :=
[12:40:35] <Wumpus> hehe
[12:40:36] <matto> Dominus: as you were reading the sword of truth books, did you think that Terry Goodkind was using German as reference when making his High D'Haran language? hehe
[12:41:13] <Dominus> Nadir and the walking with open gumps (not that that is in Exult anymore :-))
[12:41:16] <Darke> Nadir: Which is scary. <grin>
[12:41:34] <Dominus> matto: I actually have to read it again to tell you
[12:41:40] <matto> hmmm
[12:41:50] <matto> I thought it looked very German'ish
[12:42:00] <matto> and I posted publically that I thought so and someone challenged me
[12:43:07] <Dominus> my memories are a bit fuzzy at the moment. I'm not exactly sure if the though crossed my mind. Though we use the term "High German" as oppossed to the many dialects we speak locally
[12:43:50] <Wumpus> hehe
[12:43:59] <Wumpus> Hessich (sp?) is great to listen to :)
[12:44:25] <Dominus> Hessisch
[12:44:27] * Wumpus 's mum and a certain friend speak to each other and i can barely understand a word :)
[12:44:31] <Wumpus> oh of course, hehe
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[12:45:03] <Dominus> you should hear Schwbisch (swabian) - that's what I speak
[12:45:58] <Dominus> ok, got to go now
[12:46:00] <Dominus> bye
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[12:49:46] <Soul|LOVE> hmmm
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[12:51:49] <sbx> thanks... Dominus left :-(
[12:52:48] <Kirben> re
[12:53:51] <Wumpus> is it just me, or is death bolt a lot more lethal in exult than it was in the original? didn't you used to be able to dodge?
[12:54:03] <Soul|LOVE> ... no
[12:54:07] <Wumpus> (in exult, if you move aside, you still take the hit...)
[12:54:13] <Soul|LOVE> in the original, magic would always hit you no matter what
[12:54:16] <Soul|LOVE> it went a lot faster
[12:54:19] <Wumpus> but then it wasn't instantly fatal?
[12:54:24] <Soul|LOVE> no it wasn't
[12:54:27] <Soul|LOVE> well it depended
[12:54:31] <Soul|LOVE> death bolt compared your INT
[12:54:41] <Wumpus> !
[12:54:41] <Soul|LOVE> against dumb things, it would kill them in 1 shot
[12:54:41] <sbx> hmm
[12:54:48] <Wumpus> freaky
[12:54:51] <Soul|LOVE> but if your INT was lower, you'd get hurt
[12:54:58] <sbx> well, Exult's projectiles seem buggy
[12:55:04] <Soul|LOVE> yeah they do
[12:55:15] <Wumpus> i'm thinking of the Lich's death bolts thrown at you...
[12:55:24] <Soul|LOVE> sbx: did you see my pix of making the cabin?
[12:55:46] <Wumpus> because there are certain parts which I find pretty near impossible without Vas Uus Sanct, or a return trip
[12:55:58] <Wumpus> oops
[12:56:01] <Wumpus> Vas Sanct Lor even ;-p
[12:56:05] <Wumpus> (Mass invisibility)
[12:56:07] <Soul|LOVE> well i feel it should be a lot harder anyways
[12:56:14] <Soul|LOVE> liches aren't supopsed to be easy :/
[12:56:18] <Wumpus> yeah
[12:56:20] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: no it is 79%
[12:56:21] <Wumpus> but they shouldn't be impossible
[12:56:22] <Soul|LOVE> IMO u7 original was wayy too easy
[12:56:25] <Soul|LOVE> ahh ok sbx
[12:56:44] <Soul|LOVE> however exult's combat (even tho unfinished) would allow for a lot more strategy then the original
[12:56:55] <Wumpus> because right now, if they fire a death bolt first off (as they seem to), then there's exactly SFA you can do, unless you preemptively shoot at them or something
[12:56:58] <Soul|LOVE> considering it just doesn't barf into a huge fragfest that's over in 4 seconds
[12:57:03] <Wumpus> well you can't dodge them in exult either... :|
[12:57:13] <Soul|LOVE> does the death bolt always insta kill?
[12:57:15] <sbx> ahh.. the three of us could just work together to kill the liches... oh wait multiplayer exult hasnt been made yet
[12:57:19] <Wumpus> in exult, it seems to, yes
[12:57:22] <Soul|LOVE> lol sbx
[12:57:23] <Soul|LOVE> hmmm
[12:57:26] <Soul|LOVE> that doesn't seem right
[12:57:40] <Soul|LOVE> it was supposed to be painful but not lethal
[12:57:47] <Wumpus> this is against my Str 60, Dex 30, Int 30, Magic 30, Combat 30, Hitpoints 60 avatar
[12:57:49] <Wumpus> (yay FoV)
[12:57:55] <sbx> Wumpus: similiar things happen with other projectiles in exult
[12:58:06] <Soul|LOVE> like, [caster int] - [target int] + [random_number, low] should be the dmg
[12:58:12] <Wumpus> sbx- well its the instakill that makes it evil
[12:58:21] <Soul|LOVE> or smth like [caster in] - [target int] + [caster int / 3] == damage
[12:58:23] <Wumpus> soul- hmm weird :)
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[12:58:49] <Soul|LOVE> i'd pry die if there was a Nexult
[12:59:02] <Wumpus> Nexult?
[12:59:06] <Soul|LOVE> netplay exult
[12:59:11] <Wumpus> oh :)
[12:59:24] <Soul|LOVE> if there was
[12:59:27] <sbx> die in a good way or a bad way?
[12:59:33] <Soul|LOVE> good
[12:59:42] <Soul|LOVE> i'd pry never stop forcing my friends to play
[12:59:49] <Soul|LOVE> i'd msg everyone i knew
[12:59:57] <Wumpus> Vas Corp Hur (Death Vortex) seems utterly pointless since you can cast Vas Corp (Mass death) at that point....
[13:00:06] <Soul|LOVE> well
[13:00:12] <Soul|LOVE> considering mass death doesn't kill some things
[13:00:15] <Soul|LOVE> like liches
[13:00:20] <Wumpus> it doesn't?
[13:00:21] <Soul|LOVE> and it also leaves your whole party at 2hp
[13:00:23] <Soul|LOVE> ...
[13:00:27] <Soul|LOVE> i dont' remember it
[13:00:28] <Soul|LOVE> maybe it did
[13:00:30] <Wumpus> hmm
[13:00:31] <Soul|LOVE> but yeah
[13:00:35] <Wumpus> hehe
[13:00:36] <Soul|LOVE> spells in u7 were unbalanced in many ways
[13:00:43] * Wumpus only ever used it in the final battle :)
[13:00:50] * sbx wonders how Blu3AciD is doing
[13:00:51] <Wumpus> its like, teleport in, Vas Corp, oops...
[13:00:51] <Wumpus> :)
[13:00:53] <Soul|LOVE> mass death would have been more feasible had it a chance to kill your friends as well, and took more mana to cast
[13:01:02] <Soul|LOVE> also it'd be better to have a chance to fail
[13:01:16] <sbx> Wumpus: but its fun :-)
[13:01:22] <Wumpus> sbx- :-)
[13:01:24] <Soul|LOVE> i loooove being able to have the book open to select while still playing
[13:01:29] <Soul|LOVE> makes playing a mage a loooot funner in u7
[13:01:33] <Wumpus> Vas Kal An Mani In Corp Hur Tym :-O
[13:01:39] <Soul|LOVE> noo
[13:01:43] <Soul|LOVE> then you have no one to play with
[13:02:04] <Wumpus> (that was the easily the first spell I knew the `words' for :P)
[13:02:09] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[13:02:12] <Soul|LOVE> bad man
[13:02:31] <Soul|LOVE> serpent isle had a broken auto cast
[13:02:38] <Wumpus> and An Zu of course... thats just too hadny "wake up you sloucher, I want to get some work done tonight ;-p"
[13:02:47] <Soul|LOVE> as long as you had the mana, it would just churn out tons of spells in a split second
[13:02:56] <Wumpus> soul- lol cool
[13:03:02] <Soul|LOVE> so even before they had hit the target
[13:03:04] <Soul|LOVE> you had 0 mana
[13:04:28] <Wumpus> `gump' is such a cool word :)
[13:04:33] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[13:04:51] <Soul|LOVE> i used to call my younger cousin GUMP
[13:09:16] <Wumpus> okay, finish cmompile tomorrow
[13:09:21] <Wumpus> or later today, since its past midnight
[13:09:23] <Wumpus> :P
[13:09:30] * Wumpus wanders to bed, *sigh* :P
[13:09:42] <Wumpus> g'night
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[13:11:32] <Nadir|busy> hi col
[13:11:38] <Colourless> hi
[13:11:44] <sbx> Darke?
[13:12:13] <sbx> hi
[13:12:33] <sbx> Darke: nevermind
[13:13:26] <Soul|LOVE> heil sir
[13:13:46] <Colourless> LOVE???
[13:13:52] <Soul|LOVE> heil.
[13:14:28] <Soul|LOVE> luv?
[13:14:35] <Soul|LOVE> wut is ???? about luv
[13:15:05] <Colourless> your name, why is it there?
[13:15:08] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: "I bring you LOVE!"
[13:15:14] <Soul|LOVE> o
[13:15:16] <Soul|LOVE> long story
[13:15:23] <Soul|LOVE> well short story
[13:16:45] <Colourless> i see
[13:17:04] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[13:17:07] <Soul|LOVE> yes you do
[13:17:13] <Colourless> :-)
[13:17:17] * sbx is finally finished downloading u7house.zip.
[13:17:28] <Soul|LOVE> ah
[13:17:30] <Soul|LOVE> tell me what you think :P
[13:17:36] <Soul|LOVE> of course, with the story, it'll be better
[13:18:22] <Soul|LOVE> oh
[13:18:25] <Soul|LOVE> colourless
[13:18:29] <Soul|LOVE> you mentioned you like building stuff in u7?
[13:18:53] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: nice image size
[13:19:05] <Soul|LOVE> is that good or bad?
[13:19:06] <Colourless> why?
[13:19:11] <Soul|LOVE> because
[13:19:16] <Soul|LOVE> i went on an adventure today
[13:19:22] <Soul|LOVE> and took 144 screenshots
[13:19:26] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: i usually make little 320x240 pics
[13:19:30] <Soul|LOVE> from start to finish, the wood harvesting guide
[13:19:40] <Soul|LOVE> well small pics are a pain to see with hi res
[13:19:42] <Colourless> 144??????
[13:19:46] <Soul|LOVE> yes, 144 pics
[13:19:49] <Soul|LOVE> are you on broadband?
[13:20:01] <Colourless> nope. 56k here
[13:20:04] <Soul|LOVE> :(
[13:20:15] <Soul|LOVE> it's a 6mb zip file with the soon to be lumber harvesting guide
[13:20:58] <Colourless> i think i'll pass :-)
[13:21:02] <Soul|LOVE> blah
[13:25:49] <Soul|LOVE> yes the simpsons are feltie
[13:25:53] <Soul|LOVE> err
[13:25:53] <Soul|LOVE> felite
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[13:30:28] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: Hahaha that thing is hilarious
[13:30:35] <Soul|LOVE> :P
[13:30:40] <Soul|LOVE> do you like my paladin intro
[13:31:17] <sbx> yes, scrolling through the images like a slide-show gives it one of those old no-sound movie feels
[13:31:30] <Soul|LOVE> LOL
[13:31:36] <Soul|LOVE> what are you using to slide show it?
[13:32:00] <sbx> Homer remembered things he had done this way a couple of times...
[13:32:01] <sbx> Compupic
[13:32:19] <sbx> it is kinda large just for that though
[13:33:39] <sbx> the screens where you say things are funny
[13:33:52] <Soul|LOVE> ??
[13:33:56] <Soul|LOVE> i say things?
[13:34:15] <sbx> at one of the pirate HQs: "Locked." -> Door opens -> "To the death!"
[13:34:19] <Soul|LOVE> o
[13:34:19] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[13:34:20] <Soul|LOVE> :P
[13:34:23] <sbx> and "Giddy up!" on the cart
[13:34:30] <Soul|LOVE> haha yes
[13:35:02] <sbx> you didnt finish the roof though?
[13:35:17] <Soul|LOVE> it was being difficult
[13:35:19] <Soul|LOVE> so i gave up
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[13:36:18] <Soul|LOVE> it was because of those rotted boards
[13:36:24] <Soul|LOVE> if i had all smooth boards it would have been easier
[13:37:45] <sbx> you going to post some documentation on mountain climbing?
[13:37:52] <Soul|LOVE> lol yes
[13:37:55] <Soul|LOVE> that's pretty simple
[13:38:11] <sbx> yes, i did it with meat earlier
[13:38:30] <Colourless> :-)
[13:38:44] <Soul|LOVE> i'll also do some on killing batlin legit
[13:38:51] <Colourless> if you have enough gold you can do almost anything
[13:39:02] <sbx> does Exult crash with too much gold?
[13:39:05] <Soul|LOVE> you can walk on gold?
[13:39:09] <Soul|LOVE> err as stacks
[13:40:10] <Colourless> no, you can't 'stack' gold
[13:40:21] <Colourless> exult shouldn't crash
[13:40:46] <Colourless> exult will use all the memory you have before it crashes because of too much gold
[13:41:00] <Soul|LOVE> RAM or 64k heap?
[13:41:06] <Colourless> as you can imagine that is a lot of ram
[13:41:26] <Soul|LOVE> so it'll parse all that data to ram?
[13:42:07] <Colourless> the linked list will just keep getting bigger, and bigger and bigger. the game will probably become unplayably slow before it crahes I would imagine
[13:42:18] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[13:42:25] <Soul|LOVE> how much data does 1 single item consume?
[13:42:30] <Soul|LOVE> including links/buffers
[13:43:23] <Colourless> hard to say exactly because they use C++ classes that have virtual functions
[13:44:13] <Colourless> i'll try to work it out
[13:44:43] * Darke doesn't know what will happen with more then about 64k worth of gold (IIRC) in the usecode function that counts it though.
[13:44:57] <sbx> oops
[13:45:02] <sbx> :-)
[13:45:06] <Colourless> it should wrap
[13:45:27] <Soul|LOVE> that's what i was wondering
[13:45:30] <Soul|LOVE> about the 64k heaps
[13:45:30] <Darke> Anyone feel like testing this? <grin>
[13:45:31] <Colourless> exult's usecode from memory is all 32 bit integer based
[13:45:37] <Soul|LOVE> haha
[13:45:42] <Soul|LOVE> i have at least some life
[13:46:31] <Colourless> it's not too hard to attempt to do in exult. just keep pressing the create gold key combo till you've created 656 piles of gold in your backpack
[13:46:37] <Colourless> :-)
[13:46:53] <Darke> IIRC it's not too difficult to test, join the fellowship and run through the rat-race at buck's den a few times.
[13:47:06] <sbx> well if its all 32 bit based, you may need to do it a few more times eh?
[13:47:14] <Soul|LOVE> well doesn't it count a stack of 100 as a single item t hough?
[13:47:16] <Darke> Or you could use Colourless' method. <grin>
[13:47:18] <Colourless> just confirmed that exult uses 32 bit Longs when doing all the usecode calcs
[13:47:40] <Colourless> you'll have a long way to go till you break usecode with too much gold in exult
[13:48:43] * Darke thinks an 'enhancement' for v1.1 would be to update all the usecode to handle 32bit values. <grin>
[13:49:18] <Soul|LOVE> and what, pray tell, would be the use in that
[13:50:40] <Darke> Soul|LOVE: Other then hack value? Probably not much. But it would help with the 'uber' functions like books and scrolls, IIRC which have to flow over to two functions because of lack of data-space. (Limited to max unsigned short at the moment.)
[13:51:02] <sbx> you could make a quest that awards 1000000 gold
[13:51:03] <Soul|LOVE> ahh k
[13:51:54] <Darke> There was something else as well that was more... useful, I just can't think of it at the moment because of an annoying headache I have. <grin>
[13:52:05] <Soul|LOVE> headache agh :(
[13:52:19] <Soul|LOVE> i've been sick all week
[13:52:41] <Colourless> ok, i've calculated the size of each object in exult to be about 350 bytes. Note, that a stack of gold is classed as 1 object
[13:52:57] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[13:54:22] <Darke> Colourless: Any idea how many objects exult has on a 'new' game? I'm thinking of DC port again here. <grin>
[13:54:47] <Colourless> all I can say is 'lots'
[13:54:52] <Soul|LOVE> hahaha
[13:55:49] <Colourless> one thing that could be done is to convert 'ireg objects' into 'ifix objects' if they aren't normally usuable.
[13:56:42] <Colourless> i've actually been thinking about it as well
[13:57:00] <Soul|LOVE> what's the size limit for DC?
[13:57:18] <Darke> 24Mb memory, 8mb graphics, 16meg main.
[13:57:27] <Colourless> plus 2 mb audio
[13:57:34] <Soul|LOVE> hmmm
[13:57:44] <Colourless> so really it's 26 mb
[13:58:49] <Colourless> using a swapping in and out scheme for the superchunks would be a good idea
[13:59:41] <Nadir|busy> Colourless: shapes too
[14:01:48] * Darke arugh!s and grabs a 'fresh' copy of ucfunc.cc from cvs. This bug(s) is _really_ annoying me.
[14:02:06] <Colourless> lots of different ireg objects really should be ifix. for instance tables are all IREGs for seemingly no good reason, you can't move them
[14:02:26] <Soul|LOVE> you should be able to move furniture
[14:02:41] <sbx> as long as you just mean DC i don't mind :-)
[14:03:17] * Darke agrees. "Does furniture have a minimum strength value?" <grin>
[14:03:22] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[14:03:28] <Soul|LOVE> i know it has weight
[14:03:35] <Soul|LOVE> and size
[14:03:41] <Soul|LOVE> unlike a lot of static objects
[14:03:50] <Darke> Of course, then you have to worry about people wielding ovens.
[14:04:04] <Colourless> only some furniture have those values
[14:04:32] <Darke> It would make a barroom brawl more interesting if people were throwing chairs around though...
[14:04:42] <Soul|LOVE> or ovens.
[14:05:10] * sbx always hated how the SNES port of U6 turned a lot of items into
[14:05:14] <sbx> "scenery".
[14:05:19] <Soul|LOVE> yeah :/
[14:05:25] <Soul|LOVE> but
[14:05:31] <Soul|LOVE> by far it was the best console port
[14:05:35] <Soul|LOVE> well, official at least
[14:05:37] <Darke> Soul|LOVE: No, oven's would be a hand-to-hand weapon, or rather a hand-to-foot weapon.
[14:06:03] <Soul|LOVE> nah, i'm sure you could toss an oven
[14:06:08] <Darke> drop-on-foot weapon?
[14:06:36] <Soul|LOVE> yeah
[14:06:37] <Soul|LOVE> there ya go
[14:06:54] <Colourless> really DreamCast should have enough ram to keep all the IREGs as IREGs. When saved out there is only about 300 K of data
[14:08:08] <Colourless> most of the memory is used up with graphics afaik
[14:08:43] <Colourless> ifix's take up 452 k in U7
[14:08:48] * Darke nods. Graphics are the biggest memory hog at the moment.
[14:09:41] <Colourless> SI has 587 k of IFIX's
[14:11:36] <Colourless> BG has 8.2 MB of vga files, which contain RLE compressed shapes
[14:11:58] <Colourless> they are also 8 bit
[14:11:59] <Soul|LOVE> couldn't you use a more effective comperssion?
[14:12:10] <Soul|LOVE> err
[14:12:11] <Soul|LOVE> wtf
[14:12:12] <Soul|LOVE> compression
[14:12:17] <Soul|LOVE> damn fuzzy vision
[14:12:24] <Colourless> perhaps
[14:12:44] <Colourless> SI has 10.9 MB of vga files
[14:12:50] <Darke> Soul|LOVE: Maybe. RLE is rather good at doing the kind of compression we want though.
[14:13:13] <Darke> Didn't we consider converting things to png or something at one point in time?
[14:14:09] <Colourless> such a format isn't really useful for drawing though
[14:14:48] * Darke nods. IIRC RLE still is the 'best' for that.
[14:15:18] <Colourless> a good question to ask is how the heck did they manage to use only 2 mb in the originals
[14:15:42] <Darke> 2mb for graphics in the originals?
[14:15:43] <Colourless> there must be a trick to doing it
[14:15:49] <Colourless> 2 MB total!
[14:15:58] <Colourless> the entire games ran with just 2 mb or ram
[14:16:22] <Colourless> s/or/of/
[14:17:48] <Darke> Sound fx would have been read from disk, you would only need one midi track in memory at a time, and soundcard buffering would probably have allowed you to drop most of it into it, and not have much remaining in memory. Or even with soundcard buffering, read it straight from disk.
[14:18:27] <Darke> Usecode, again, read straight from disk, it was designed to be done that way. Just using the disk's read buffering to help with the small jumps it was doing.
[14:18:54] <Colourless> they might have done graphics loading on a chunk level. They would have probably kept a border of a cupple chunks and freed the graphics memory when no longer needed
[14:21:36] <Darke> Graphics would have been stored in ram as RLE, they'd keep a 'priority queue' of the once most frequently used 'recently' in memory and drop to disk for the ones used only occasionally. Given the 'small' amount of stuff on the screen at once, I'm guessing they wouldn't have had to drop to disk every 'refresh' to grab the one shape that wouldn't fit in memory.
[14:22:34] <Colourless> yeah. on the dreamcast we'd have 8 mb of memory to play with so a most recently used list would be best.
[14:22:40] <Darke> This would explain the largish pause when teleporting around even inside the superchunk.
[14:23:57] <Colourless> the game had to read the graphics from the disk. each chunk is 256x256 pixels. From experimentation we worked out they games only kept 3 chunks away from you in memory
[14:25:39] <Darke> If we sliced the data into 'superchunk' sized blocks and only loaded the grapics data in say a 3x3 or 5x5 square area around the avatar, I don't think we'd have a problem with graphics.
[14:26:41] <Darke> I'm thinking redbook audio would be the cannonical Bad Thing, since it would impeed our access to the cdrom when we need it, plus add another chunk of seek latency.
[14:27:01] <Colourless> yeah redbook would be really bad if we are reading of the disk all the time
[14:27:24] <Colourless> i would think that a reading ahead would want to be done.
[14:28:11] <Colourless> the dreamcast's audio hardware could be used to play wavetable music.
[14:29:17] <Colourless> 2mb should be more than enough for an ok patch set.
[14:29:54] <Darke> Unlike U7 we'd have to keep all the usecode, sound fx, and music in memory. And only 'page to disk' for the graphics+world superchunks. I'm actually thinking 5x5 would be the best to have in memory, since with seek times, I don't think the avatar could walk quick enough to get out of the area before we loaded that dataset.
[14:30:04] <Darke> (music) <nod>
[14:30:47] <Soul|LOVE> what about teleportation?
[14:30:50] <Soul|LOVE> would it just pause?
[14:31:00] * Darke notes as he rereads what he writes, doesn't think he's making much sense. Shout if he isn't.
[14:31:03] <Colourless> yeah it would hake to
[14:31:10] <Colourless> have to even
[14:31:22] <Colourless> Darke makes sense to me
[14:31:27] <Soul|LOVE> i remember towards the end i started using the virtue stones / recall/mark quite a bit
[14:31:45] <Darke> Soul|LOVE: You'd have the same 'pause' like you do in the original and exult (though longer then in exult), though teleporting within the original 5x5 area shouldn't be a problem.
[14:33:36] <Darke> Colourless: Ta. I'm just on painkillers at the moment. So whilst it seems 'coherent' as I write it, upon reading it, it doesn't seem to make much sense.
[14:34:00] <Soul|LOVE> imagine partial echoic memory
[14:34:07] <Soul|LOVE> along with incoherance
[14:34:11] <Soul|LOVE> :P demons of the mind
[14:34:44] <Darke> (teleport) I presume you could detect teleportation outside the 5x5 area and throw up a gray screen like the save-game screen, with please wait or something.
[14:36:08] * sbx likes that gray screen.
[14:37:28] <Darke> Soul|LOVE: 'echoic memory'? More specifics please, I can't completely remember what that is. <grin>
[14:37:52] <Soul|LOVE> oh
[14:37:53] <Soul|LOVE> sorry
[14:37:58] <Soul|LOVE> it's a condition some people have
[14:38:01] <Soul|LOVE> you see
[14:38:09] <Soul|LOVE> a lot of children, when they are young, before age 8 or so
[14:38:16] <Soul|LOVE> have echoic memory
[14:38:22] <Soul|LOVE> very few have it when they age
[14:38:29] <Soul|LOVE> echoic memory is photographic memory
[14:38:42] <Soul|LOVE> as in, you remember with visuals, but with permanence and instant recall
[14:38:46] <Soul|LOVE> well
[14:38:58] <Soul|LOVE> most people that have this lose is as they get older and have the normal human memory style
[14:39:07] <Soul|LOVE> in where you only have "flash" (ehoic) memory with certain events
[14:39:18] <Soul|LOVE> like catasrophies
[14:39:21] <Soul|LOVE> or great events
[14:39:32] <Soul|LOVE> like how you can always remember what the feeling was like when you first did something
[14:39:41] <Soul|LOVE> well some people (like me) will get that totally at random
[14:39:46] <Soul|LOVE> the problem is
[14:39:56] <Soul|LOVE> you have trouble linking those memories with your other memory
[14:40:01] <Soul|LOVE> and so things don't make much sense
[14:40:08] <Soul|LOVE> you can remember many things in perfect detail
[14:40:13] <Soul|LOVE> and describe them over and over with ease
[14:40:27] <Soul|LOVE> but in relation to everything else, it makes zero sense to you
[14:40:49] <Soul|LOVE> funny sometimes
[14:40:50] * Darke nods.
[14:40:55] <Soul|LOVE> like I'll tell someone a story
[14:41:02] <Soul|LOVE> and they will understand it perfectly
[14:41:10] <Soul|LOVE> then they will ask me a question
[14:41:16] <Soul|LOVE> and i will totally NOT know what they are talking about
[14:41:25] <Soul|LOVE> and even if they remind me i'm like "... uhhh..."
[14:41:32] <Darke> Ick.
[14:41:38] <Soul|LOVE> doesn't happen very often :P
[14:42:01] <Soul|LOVE> about once a day i'll be talking to someone, look away, and then look back and not know what's going on until I re-read it
[14:42:24] <Soul|LOVE> makes it really easy to remember some stuff though, like a way of doing something
[14:42:44] <Soul|LOVE> you could blindfold me and I could piece together a computer just by relation
[14:42:54] <Soul|LOVE> i haven't done it that often, I just never forget what to do
[14:42:59] <Soul|LOVE> don't even have to think about it
[14:43:43] <Darke> Is it 'visualisation' like? You can 'see' what you're doing in your mind?
[14:43:50] <Soul|LOVE> yeah
[14:44:05] <Darke> Weird. I can do that.
[14:44:14] <Soul|LOVE> i can really feel it when i'm doing something inane but complex, like coding, or typing a lot, or giving a speech
[14:44:30] <Soul|LOVE> i'll be doing everything in my head, i won't pay any attention to the screen or the people or whatever
[14:44:46] <Soul|LOVE> i can see words in my head when i give a speech
[14:44:49] <Soul|LOVE> sort of
[14:44:50] <Soul|LOVE> :P
[14:44:58] <Darke> And not only for things I've done before. For example, I don't see myself sitting at a computer typing. I see myself at the moment, standing in a room, with you people and 'talking'.
[14:45:09] <Soul|LOVE> yeah exactly
[14:46:08] <Soul|LOVE> they say about 2% of all people are like that
[14:46:15] <Darke> When I read a book, I'm not reading a book. I am the 'lead' or whoever is talking, sitting/standing in the world and 'doing' it.
[14:46:21] <Soul|LOVE> yeah!
[14:46:30] <Soul|LOVE> it kills me to dream though
[14:46:39] <Colourless> kills? :-)
[14:46:45] <Soul|LOVE> if i was dreaming, and i wake up, it takes me a while to seperate dream from reality
[14:46:45] <Darke> Interesting, I know 3 others like that as well, we roleplay together. <grin>
[14:47:03] <Soul|LOVE> which is why I hate getting up early or not getting enough sleep
[14:47:04] <Darke> Yep. <grin> That's a rather large problem for me as well.
[14:47:09] <Soul|LOVE> because I get really dizzy or confused
[14:47:12] * Darke nods.
[14:47:14] <sbx> We've learned a lot in today's session. Shall I reschedule the two of you for next Tuesday?
[14:47:19] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[14:47:22] <Colourless> :-)
[14:47:28] <Soul|LOVE> oh yeah
[14:47:32] * Darke grins.
[14:48:23] <sbx> :-)
[14:48:46] <Colourless> regarding dreams, they are something strange for me. I pretty much never remember any dreams that I ever have.
[14:49:03] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[14:49:04] * Darke wonders if that kind of explains why he roleplays a bunny in here... then considers it probably doesn't. <grin>
[14:49:13] <Soul|LOVE> i have a hard time *not* remembering dreams
[14:49:17] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[14:49:21] <Soul|LOVE> like a few weeks ago
[14:49:22] <Colourless> :-)
[14:49:27] <sbx> i feel that is a good thing Soul|LOVE
[14:49:28] <Soul|LOVE> I had a dream about this piece of someones body
[14:49:31] <Soul|LOVE> it was bad or anything
[14:49:33] <Soul|LOVE> err
[14:49:36] <Soul|LOVE> it wasn't a bad thing or anything
[14:49:40] <Soul|LOVE> someone had gotten cut
[14:49:42] <Darke> I've gotten into a habit of 'not dreaming' if that makes sense.
[14:49:43] <Soul|LOVE> and i saw them get cut
[14:49:49] <Soul|LOVE> not deep, not fatal, just a cut
[14:49:52] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: except i dont dream that kinda stuff heehe
[14:50:02] <Soul|LOVE> but for 3 weeks now I keep seeing this little sharp thing poking somebody
[14:50:18] <Soul|LOVE> i meant it wasn't weird
[14:50:24] <Soul|LOVE> just a normal dream where someone got poked
[14:50:47] <Colourless> well, you make it sound like it was weird
[14:50:54] * sbx dreams about Ultima.
[14:50:55] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[14:51:05] <Soul|LOVE> lol when I still played UO I'd have ultima dreams
[14:51:43] * Colourless never dreams about Ultima... or at least doesn't know if he does or not ;-)
[14:51:52] * Darke dreams about bunnies <grin> his characters usually.
[14:52:07] <sbx> in C what is the replacement for strtok?
[14:52:13] <Soul|LOVE> i've been sick the past few days... having a lot of fever dreams :/
[14:52:33] <Darke> sbx: Umm... strtok.
[14:52:37] <sbx> or *a* replacement i should say
[14:52:40] <sbx> Darke: ...
[14:52:59] <Colourless> just thought of an idea to reduce the amount of memory taken up by IREGs. They could in theory be swapped out to memory much like how the originals swapped out to disk.
[14:53:03] <Colourless> That is all the objects for a given superchunk are saved to a memory buffer as if they were being saved. All the game objects are then deleted.
[14:53:06] <Colourless> When they are required they are just 'loaded' from the memory buffer and are recreated.
[14:53:10] <Colourless> The theory behind it is that in gamedat each object takes up no more than 20 bytes, however as I stated before, in Exult itself the objects can take up hundreds of bytes.
[14:53:15] <Colourless> This is a substantial memory saving and is almost the sort of thing that could be put into 'Real' Exult.
[14:53:20] <Darke> sbx: A 'for' loop is probably the quickest. <grin>
[14:54:12] * Darke nods to Colourless.
[14:54:14] <sbx> 'Real' Exult?
[14:54:26] <Soul|LOVE> tick tock
[14:54:27] <Darke> sbx: aka. not exult-DC.
[14:54:33] <sbx> oh
[14:54:55] <Soul|LOVE> 6:55 AM
[14:55:04] <sbx> 8:55 here
[14:55:12] <Colourless> 1:25 am
[14:55:20] <Soul|LOVE> !
[14:55:22] <Soul|LOVE> am!
[14:55:27] <Soul|LOVE> where do you live?
[14:55:40] <sbx> most of the people here are in Australia ive noticed
[14:55:48] <sbx> well maybe not most
[14:55:51] <sbx> many
[14:56:03] * Colourless notes 2 australians here
[14:56:08] <sbx> i dont meant at the moment
[14:56:15] <sbx> s/meant/mean
[14:56:29] --- wjp|away is now known as wjp
[14:56:32] <Colourless> yeah, quite a few australians visit this channel
[14:56:34] <Soul|LOVE> heil sir wjp
[14:56:38] <Colourless> hi
[14:56:40] <Darke> 1am.
[14:56:44] --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to wjp
[14:56:54] <sbx> hi wjp
[14:57:02] <wjp> hi again
[14:57:11] * Darke bows.
[14:57:19] <Soul|LOVE> no no no
[14:57:22] <Soul|LOVE> you must say HEIL
[14:57:41] <Darke> Soul|LOVE: Why?
[14:58:14] <Soul|LOVE> ...
[14:58:15] <sbx> Hail Britannia! Hail Lord British! Hail the glorious Avatar!
[14:58:21] <Soul|LOVE> Some questions are best left unanswered
[14:58:26] <Soul|LOVE> not hail
[14:58:33] <Soul|LOVE> hail is so... not... ... whatever
[14:58:33] <sbx> oh :-(
[14:58:35] <Soul|LOVE> HEIL
[14:58:41] <Soul|LOVE> oh wait
[14:58:43] <Soul|LOVE> i forgot
[14:58:43] <Soul|LOVE> oops
[14:58:54] <Soul|LOVE> damn i wish i hadn't turned that machine off
[14:59:15] <Colourless> i would think that with all the ideas proposed we should be able to save enough memory to get ultima 7 onto dreamcast
[14:59:22] * sbx slams his open hand against his chest and reaches his arm forward, fingertips pointing to wjp and screams "HEIL"!
[14:59:44] * Darke giggles and was waiting for that.
[14:59:55] <Soul|LOVE> YES
[14:59:58] <Soul|LOVE> HEIL THOU
[15:00:03] <sbx> (thee)
[15:00:07] <Soul|LOVE> nay
[15:00:09] <Soul|LOVE> SUP THOU
[15:00:22] <Soul|LOVE> ... lol
[15:00:23] <Soul|LOVE> nevermind
[15:00:40] * Darke wonders why people think _he_ makes no sense. <grin>
[15:00:55] <Soul|LOVE> oh, you haven't met minime yet, have you?
[15:01:15] <Darke> From AusinPowers?
[15:01:19] <Soul|LOVE> ... no
[15:01:51] <Soul|LOVE> mebee i just not bring him here
[15:01:55] * Darke thinks he's a bit too incoherent to be thinking at the moment. <grin>
[15:02:39] * sbx gives Darke some morphine.
[15:03:27] <Colourless> he wont be thinking at all then
[15:03:30] * Darke wonders how that's going to make him more coherent.
[15:03:56] <Darke> Colourless: <grin> Depends on the dosage.
[15:04:12] <sbx> but that doesn't mean you don't want it
[15:04:36] <Colourless> :-)
[15:04:48] <Colourless> you don't refuse such things
[15:04:48] <Soul|LOVE> ah crap
[15:05:28] * Darke still thinks that none of this makes sense. <grin>
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[15:05:39] <MiniMe> HEIL
[15:05:44] <Soul|LOVE> np
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[15:05:54] <Soul|LOVE> ahh don't do that
[15:05:56] <Soul|LOVE> he's friendly
[15:05:57] <wjp> Colourless: heh, you beat me to it :-)
[15:05:58] <Colourless> look it comes back :-)
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[15:06:05] <sbx> exultbot won't like him
[15:06:13] <Soul|LOVE> why not
[15:06:19] <Soul|LOVE> he's very passive agressive
[15:06:47] <wjp> Hey, cool, our very first GPL violation
[15:06:48] <Colourless> exultbot is not a passive agressive, it's just a plain agressive ;-)
[15:06:50] <sbx> i am just guessing
[15:06:53] * wjp just noticed Tristan's ML mail
[15:07:02] <sbx> exultbot: what do you think of MiniMe?
[15:07:02] <wjp> :-)
[15:07:17] <exultbot> /kick MiniMe
[15:07:23] <Soul|LOVE> nooo
[15:07:25] <MiniMe> pls no hate, pls love
[15:07:27] <sbx> nuff said
[15:07:36] --- Colourless gives channel operator status to exultbot
[15:07:43] <sbx> uh oh :-)
[15:07:48] <MiniMe> :(
[15:07:59] * Colourless wonders if exult bot can actually kick
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[15:08:09] <Soul|LOVE> !gohome
[15:08:17] <Soul|LOVE> wtf
[15:08:19] <Darke> Colourless: The human behind it can. <grin>
[15:08:19] <Soul|LOVE> it didn't work
[15:08:34] <Soul|LOVE> minime is my project
[15:08:58] <Colourless> well, you are safe. exultbot can't actually kick people
[15:09:08] <wjp> yet... <evil grin>
[15:09:18] <Soul|LOVE> you should make exultbot a minimebot
[15:09:22] <Soul|LOVE> minime is ruthless
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[15:10:03] <wjp> ruthless?
[15:10:13] <Soul|LOVE> well, on soulnet at least
[15:10:20] <Soul|LOVE> he permabans for talking fast
[15:10:21] <wjp> soulnet?
[15:10:32] <wjp> bad bot :-)
[15:10:51] <Colourless> well, minime has no powers here
[15:10:51] <MiniMe> *** 28 (open) CCL 37 (unaccounted) CCL 13 (offline) 9 (active) CCL - Awaiting command!
[15:10:51] <Soul|LOVE> !clstat
[15:11:00] <Soul|LOVE> yes, he is harmless as a fly
[15:11:04] <Soul|LOVE> he is very loving
[15:11:11] <Soul|LOVE> my project in artificial stupidity
[15:11:38] <Soul|LOVE> wanna see something to laugh at?
[15:11:41] <Colourless> but don't you understand, artifical stupidity is the bases for all computer game AI's.
[15:11:47] <Soul|LOVE> oh yeah..
[15:11:54] <Soul|LOVE> someone tell me windows XP minimum specs
[15:13:01] <Colourless> it literally is because a computer game AIs, in a FPS for example, can have perfect aim, something no human actually has.
[15:13:14] <Soul|LOVE> yes
[15:13:49] <Soul|LOVE> XP lists it's minimum specs as a 233 w/ 128mb ram
[15:13:53] <Soul|LOVE> its *
[15:14:22] <Soul|LOVE> i was determined to shatter that
[15:14:31] <Soul|LOVE> and slowly (very slowly) I did
[15:14:44] <Colourless> how?
[15:14:49] <Soul|LOVE> say !system
[15:14:56] <Colourless> what are you running it on?
[15:15:01] <Soul|LOVE> say it :O
[15:15:10] <exultbot> !system
[15:15:12] <MiniMe> 14Operating System: 9[11Windows XP Professional (5.1 - 2600)9] 14Processor: 9[11Intel Pentium @ 8475mHz9] 14Memory: 9[1196.0mb9] 14HDD Space: 9[11 1.1801GB 9]
[15:15:34] <Colourless> heh
[15:15:39] <Soul|LOVE> it was painful
[15:15:45] <Soul|LOVE> but I did it
[15:15:55] <Colourless> more memory than I though, but slower processor
[15:16:03] <Soul|LOVE> originally it had 64mb
[15:16:07] <Soul|LOVE> well, with xp
[15:16:11] <Colourless> i was thinking Pentium 100, 64 MB
[15:16:16] <Soul|LOVE> when I got it, it was a dos machine with 24mb
[15:16:24] <Soul|LOVE> in a horrid state of disrepair too
[15:16:46] <Colourless> that system must be so slow
[15:16:53] <Colourless> do you use Luna?
[15:16:58] <Soul|LOVE> surprisngly enough, it runs ok
[15:16:59] <Soul|LOVE> no
[15:17:06] <Soul|LOVE> it's using the classic windows theme
[15:17:16] <Soul|LOVE> not as fast as 98, but fast enough
[15:17:30] <Soul|LOVE> all it does is run instances of minime anyways
[15:17:43] <Colourless> what is it written in?
[15:17:48] <Soul|LOVE> minime?
[15:17:55] <Colourless> yeah
[15:17:57] <Soul|LOVE> just an mirc script i've been writing
[15:18:29] <Soul|LOVE> i do it to help keep tabs on all the servers/channels I go to, as well as hold down my irc server, when it's being used
[15:18:42] <Soul|LOVE> !roflaids
[15:18:43] * MiniMe hands Soul|LOVE a bottle of ROFLAIDS!
[15:18:57] <Colourless> :-)
[15:19:27] <Soul|LOVE> i've been trying to do this quit remote for a while
[15:19:35] <Soul|LOVE> useful for when it gets bogged down or flooded
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[15:19:55] --- Topic for #exult is: exult: For those who are bored with Ultima 7's bugs, <fluff> and want some new ones.
[15:19:55] --- Topic for #exult set by Darke at Sat Dec 1 15:01:00 2001
[15:20:26] <Soul|LOVE> !gohome R 60
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[15:21:15] <Soul|LOVE> la la la
[15:21:23] * wjp can't make exultbot go away to return after a while :-(
[15:21:41] <Soul|LOVE> easy with remotes and timers
[15:21:47] <Soul|LOVE> *waits*
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[15:21:52] <Colourless> ?exultbot
[15:21:52] <exultbot> Exultbot is written in Perl by Willem Jan Palenstijn.
[15:21:53] <Soul|LOVE> AHH
[15:21:54] <wjp> yeah, sure, but it doesn't do that, yet :-)
[15:21:55] <Soul|LOVE> he did it!
[15:22:03] * Darke finds himself giggling at the 'oh yeah...' forum topic for some reason.
[15:22:14] <Soul|LOVE> !version
[15:22:14] <MiniMe> 9MM멯 <> .1 version 1.2 9Created By Soul Harvester
[15:22:22] * wjp covers his eyes
[15:22:25] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[15:22:33] <wjp> you sure do like colours, don't you? ;-)
[15:22:35] <Soul|LOVE> the soulnet version is without color
[15:22:44] <Soul|LOVE> i use color for a reason
[15:22:52] <Colourless> i don't see any colour
[15:22:54] * Darke didn't see any colours in that line.
[15:22:57] <Soul|LOVE> when i'm testing things, it helps me identify which section of string is being used
[15:23:04] * wjp saw an entirely green line
[15:23:08] <sbx> bright green
[15:23:11] <Soul|LOVE> ??
[15:23:11] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[15:23:22] <Darke> Normal text colour for me.
[15:23:23] <Soul|LOVE> it should appear as green, black, solid green but it really doesn't matter
[15:23:23] <sbx> actually it may be just bold
[15:23:32] <sbx> oh
[15:23:37] <Soul|LOVE> used only so I know which portion of the code it's using
[15:23:44] <Colourless> THIS IS BOLD TEXT
[15:23:57] * sbx tests.
[15:23:59] <wjp> 9This might be green text
[15:24:22] <Soul|LOVE> because each color has a specific number block, and i just place that number block in front of that section
[15:24:28] <Soul|LOVE> so later I just go !color and can remember what goes to what
[15:24:31] * sbx 9tests1.
[15:24:32] <wjp> heh, now that you mention it... the middle part is indeed black
[15:24:50] <wjp> (which explains why I didn't see it at first)
[15:24:58] <Colourless> 9THIS IS GREEN
[15:25:03] <sbx> Colourless: thank you
[15:25:05] <sbx> hehe
[15:25:12] <Soul|LOVE> !color
[15:25:19] <Soul|LOVE> !colors
[15:25:19] <MiniMe> Colors: 0 01 12 23 34 45 56 67 78 89 910 1011 1112 12 13 1314 1415 15
[15:25:24] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: i couldnt see the black parts because my background is black
[15:25:25] <Darke> Ahh... the 'version 1.2' bit. I have a black background.
[15:25:34] * wjp can't see the '1' here
[15:25:40] <sbx> nope
[15:25:42] <Soul|LOVE> so do i
[15:25:53] <Soul|LOVE> minime's screen is white tho
[15:25:58] <Darke> '1' is invisible and '6' almost invisible.
[15:26:01] <Soul|LOVE> this one is black btu i dont' write his code from here
[15:26:13] <MiniMe> ';[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[kjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
[15:26:21] <wjp> ?!
[15:26:24] <Colourless> what the hell is that?
[15:26:24] <Soul|LOVE> nm
[15:26:29] <exultbot> ';[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[kjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
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[15:26:48] * exultbot can do that too ;-)
[15:26:59] <Darke> Talkative bots aren't they? <grin>
[15:27:05] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: does ucxt chdir to it's datadir?
[15:27:06] <Soul|LOVE> talk!?
[15:27:07] <sbx> oops
[15:27:10] <sbx> Darke i mean
[15:27:19] <Soul|LOVE> !loadbottalk
[15:27:28] <Soul|LOVE> wtf
[15:27:31] <Soul|LOVE> !enablebottalk
[15:27:38] <Soul|LOVE> broken ass thing
[15:27:38] <wjp> !bottalk
[15:27:41] <wjp> !startbottalk
[15:27:45] <sbx> it makes me think of modems talking to eachother for some reason :-)
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[15:28:17] <Soul|LOVE> !cl addusr Soul|LOVE 50
[15:28:18] <MiniMe> * Added Soul|LOVE (Soul|LOVE!*Soulio@webster-dsl-bridge-50.web-ster.com) to user list
[15:28:23] <Darke> sbx: No. It just pulls the datadir string out of the config file or EXULT_DATADIR, appends the '/opcodes.txt' bit and opens it.
[15:28:41] <wjp> !cl listusr
[15:28:41] <sbx> Darke: only on the new version?
[15:28:56] <Soul|LOVE> !loadbottalk
[15:28:56] <MiniMe> BotTalk Enabled by Soul|LOVE
[15:28:57] <MiniMe> I am not a bot.
[15:28:58] <Soul|LOVE> !unloadbottalk
[15:28:58] <MiniMe> BotTalk Disabled by Soul|LOVE
[15:29:00] <Soul|LOVE> there we go
[15:29:03] <Soul|LOVE> i wasn't on his damn list
[15:29:04] <Soul|LOVE> wtf
[15:29:08] <Soul|LOVE> it keeps erasing the list
[15:29:13] <wjp> !cl addusr wjp 50
[15:29:15] <Soul|LOVE> wth is causing that
[15:29:17] <Darke> sbx: Did you just grab the latest cvs? Nadir has included it in the configure system, so a few things need to be altered to your setup IIRC. <grin>
[15:29:18] <wjp> pity :-)
[15:29:26] <Soul|LOVE> you have to identify from 12.111.175.* :/
[15:29:30] <sbx> Darke: no
[15:29:50] <sbx> Darke: i will update soon
[15:30:29] <MiniMe> Soul|LOVE: Unable to perform requested operation (I'm not ops in #exult!)
[15:30:35] <Soul|LOVE> wtf
[15:30:44] <Darke> sbx: Currently the answer is 'no it doesn't do a chdir'. it just effectivally does an fopen() call.
[15:30:57] <Soul|LOVE> !debugechooff
[15:30:57] <MiniMe> *** Echo off?? Return
[15:31:29] <sbx> ok np i'll just get new version
[15:32:17] --- Colourless gives channel operator status to exultbot
[15:32:43] <Darke> sbx: It'll probably be easier, so I can tell you exactly what you'll need to change. opcodes.txt is just shifted to the data/ directory rather then in the Docs/ directory and this breaks the .exult.cfg file setup somewhat.
[15:33:14] <Soul|LOVE> !commands
[15:33:19] --- Colourless gives channel operator status to Darke
[15:33:44] --- Colourless takes channel operator status from Colourless
[15:33:53] * Colourless attempts to blend in with the commoners ;-)
[15:34:01] * Darke snickers.
[15:34:06] <sbx> Darke: BTW shouldnt -o bg402_spark.uca work just as well as -obg402_spark.uca?
[15:34:11] * Soul|LOVE attempts to drink dr pepper... succeeds... repeats...
[15:34:49] <Darke> sbx: Currently no. I want to change it to the first sometime in the 'future'.
[15:35:14] * Darke is amazed that Soul|LOVE can drink that stuff.
[15:35:25] <Soul|LOVE> it's my blood
[15:35:28] <Soul|LOVE> i could not live without it
[15:35:30] * sbx too.
[15:35:35] <Soul|LOVE> it's almost orgasmic
[15:35:40] <Colourless> i guess that is why it tastes so bad
[15:35:44] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[15:35:46] <Colourless> it's blood :-)
[15:35:46] <Soul|LOVE> i love it
[15:36:04] * sbx refuses to comment about it being orgasmic.
[15:36:09] <Soul|LOVE> haha
[15:36:13] * Darke ROFLs at Colourless' comment.
[15:36:44] <sbx> maybe it doesnt have caffeine in Australia
[15:37:19] <Colourless> i'm pretty sure it has caffeine
[15:37:22] <Darke> sbx: Last time I checked it had caffine, it just doesn't taste particularly... umm... drinkable.
[15:37:31] <Soul|LOVE> i love the taste
[15:37:39] <Soul|LOVE> of course I also dislike pepsi
[15:37:45] <Soul|LOVE> !sex
[15:37:46] * MiniMe gives Soul|LOVE intense luvin'
[15:37:56] <Soul|LOVE> useful bot
[15:38:10] <Colourless> they say it's an aquired taste... well I'll be damned if I am going to drink it enough to aquire the taste
[15:38:15] <sbx> if it has caffeine it is drinkable
[15:38:23] <Soul|LOVE> it has caffiene
[15:38:24] * Darke dislikes pepsi, and boggles slightly at that bot.
[15:38:33] <Soul|LOVE> !tackle Darke
[15:38:33] * Colourless dislikes pepsi too
[15:38:34] * MiniMe 9 tackles Darke !
[15:38:41] * Darke agrees with Colourless.
[15:38:56] * Darke eepfluffs and wonders why he's been tackled by a bot.
[15:39:15] <Soul|LOVE> well
[15:39:18] <Soul|LOVE> ask the insult 8ball
[15:39:25] <Soul|LOVE> it's sure to answer your question
[15:39:40] <Soul|LOVE> just !8ball question
[15:39:42] <sbx> Oblivious explaining how everyone in Ultima is really drawn from Richard Garriots personal life: "Iolo- friend of RG's that makes crossbows."
[15:39:56] <Soul|LOVE> ...
[15:41:00] <Darke> !8ball Huh?
[15:41:00] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 HOHO MADROX R LEIK HORSE PORN
[15:41:15] <sbx> that was unexpected
[15:41:21] <Soul|LOVE> it certainly was
[15:41:41] * Darke considers it doesn't make any less sense anyway.
[15:41:58] <Soul|LOVE> !8ball is darke just a tad on the confused side?
[15:41:59] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 LANDO TOUCHES LITTLE MUNGOS
[15:42:09] <Soul|LOVE> hmmm
[15:42:16] <sbx> your bot is broken Soul|LOVE
[15:42:24] <Soul|LOVE> Yes. Yes it is.
[15:42:27] <Soul|LOVE> !8ball are you broken?
[15:42:28] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 WTFYES
[15:42:32] <Soul|LOVE> ha
[15:42:54] <Colourless> !8ball
[15:42:55] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 PLZ STFU NO ONE LIKES YOU
[15:43:08] <Colourless> ow ;-)
[15:43:10] <Soul|LOVE> ouch
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[15:43:18] * Darke bows towards the wonderous bot, and is glad that Colourless doesn't have ops to kick it.
[15:43:29] <Soul|LOVE> minime say you're sorry
[15:43:37] <Darke> Oop... too late. <grin>
[15:43:39] * sbx gives Darke some morphine.
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[15:43:46] <Fingolfin> hiya
[15:43:48] <Fingolfin> fullll!
[15:43:48] <Colourless> hi
[15:43:50] <sbx> hi
[15:43:51] <Darke> Hi.
[15:44:10] <Soul|LOVE> heil
[15:45:18] <Colourless> it may be full, but all conversation seemed to have ceased
[15:45:24] <Soul|LOVE> hmm
[15:45:31] <Soul|LOVE> well minime will be more then happy to speak with you
[15:45:37] <Soul|LOVE> talk, minime
[15:45:50] <Soul|LOVE> talk you ingrateful piece of crap
[15:46:06] <Soul|LOVE> nope
[15:46:07] <Soul|LOVE> you were right
[15:46:47] <Darke> !8ball Is Colourless right?
[15:46:48] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 PLZ TELL THE KID HE IS FAGIT
[15:47:03] <Soul|LOVE> 0_0
[15:47:12] * Darke hmms... and wonders if MiniMe has a deathwish. <grin>
[15:47:18] <Soul|LOVE> minime, wash out your mouth
[15:47:46] * Colourless didn't see that
[15:48:00] <Soul|LOVE> And we are all very thankful for that
[15:48:19] <wjp> I have to go
[15:48:19] <sbx> who was that Indiana_Threepwood?
[15:48:21] <wjp> bye all
[15:48:23] <sbx> bye
[15:48:24] <Soul|LOVE> bye sir
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[15:48:28] <Colourless> !8ball Will i kick you again?
[15:48:28] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 AHAHA U SUXXOR IRL
[15:48:35] <Soul|LOVE> :(
[15:48:38] <Colourless> i take that as a yes
[15:48:40] <Soul|LOVE> minime that's not very nice
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[15:48:59] <Soul|LOVE> !8ball why are you being so mean
[15:48:59] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 HOHO P00 R GHEY
[15:49:16] <Soul|LOVE> he's a very immature bot
[15:50:55] <Colourless> !8ball why is toad`sMoke obsessed with spark's ass?
[15:50:56] * MiniMe looks in the 8 Ball and the answer is... 3 HOHO ROGER R LIEK MANSECKS
[15:51:07] <Soul|LOVE> hmmm
[15:51:14] <Soul|LOVE> mansecks DOES involve ass...
[15:51:55] <Soul|LOVE> yes!
[15:51:58] <Soul|LOVE> more simpsons!
[15:52:24] <Soul|LOVE> oh no!
[15:52:29] <Soul|LOVE> this one doesn't have sound D: !
[15:52:43] * Darke wonders if it's just him, or does anyone else think this channel has gotten a little weirder lately?
[15:53:03] <Soul|LOVE> It's not my fault, I am innocent, stop looking at me, oh my god, simpsons own.
[15:53:05] * sbx gives Darke some morphine.
[15:53:07] <Darke> No Soul|LOVE, step away from that 8ball!
[15:53:35] <Darke> sbx: You know, morphine doesn't make things less weird. <grin>
[15:53:35] <Colourless> this channel is completely normal.... for an irc channel
[15:53:49] <Soul|LOVE> yes
[15:54:01] <sbx> what is that Simpsons about Soul|LOVE?
[15:54:30] <Soul|LOVE> this one is "bart to the future", where in the beginning homer goes gambling at an indian casino
[15:54:52] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: Burns: "Yes you've won alright. You've won more than you bargained for." Homer: "..." Homer: "Woo-hoo!"
[15:54:57] <Darke> Colourless: Well... yes, most irc channels I'm on are like this, however when I first started joining the channel, it... well... had the appearance of being non-irc-channel 'normal'. <grin>
[15:55:03] <sbx> (although that quote isnt quite from that episode)
[15:55:23] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[15:56:50] <sbx> Darke: how often do you expect to change the format of opcodes.txt?
[15:58:23] <Darke> sbx: Hopefully never now. I _think_ I've got all the 'columns' of data in there I need. I'll certainly be tweeking the -fz output, but the -fa output shouldn't be modified, although I may finish off the -ac comments for the rest of the opcodes that need them.
[15:59:07] <sbx> that's good then
[16:00:25] <Darke> sbx: There's only one major change I'm planning sometime in the 'future', and that is turning the file into the conf/ format. But I don't expect that to happen soon.
[16:01:14] <sbx> what is wrong with your YARDF format?
[16:05:27] <Darke> sbx: 1) To me it's getting unreadable. 2) The parser for it breaks easily at the moment, and doesn't give you anything remotely 'nice' as an error message. <grin> 3) We've got enough random data formats in exult already, we don't need another. 4) It was planned to be 'temporary'. All I can think of for the moment. <grin>
[16:06:54] <Darke> Oh, 5) If I add a column, and you've changed, say the asm output format, the diff/patch process won't work 'properly' since it's line based, so you'd have to 'patch it by hand'. That can be partially solved using the conf/ format.
[16:07:52] <Darke> Another 'benefit' is the conf/ format is already a dependency, so it won't give me yet another dependancy to keep track of.
[16:08:52] * Darke wonders how loudly people would shout if he changed the conf/ format just a little to support the xml </> end tags.
[16:09:36] <sbx> Darke: mostly good reasons, I just didn't know the conf/ format was designed for that kind of thing
[16:09:44] <Colourless> if it doesn't break exult, they you could do it
[16:09:57] <Colourless> s/they/then/
[16:10:33] <Darke> Fingolfin: "... all the money & girls you'll get from this..." Umm... yeah, suuuuurrre! <noddlenod>
[16:11:45] <Darke> Colourless: I'm currently thinking of supporting the <foo></foo>, and just adding an 'exception' that if it encounters a </> it automatically fulfils the </foo> in the previous example. Can you see any flaws in this?
[16:12:21] <Colourless> Remember, fingolfin is talking about the 'real' exult coders, not someone who is writing a tool ;-)
[16:12:28] <Colourless> that shouldn't be a problem
[16:13:22] <Darke> (exult coders) Umm... so that means if I make modifications to conf/ I become a 'real' exult coder? <grin>
[16:13:32] <Darke> (conf/) Thanks.
[16:14:01] * sbx wants to add a feature.
[16:14:03] <Fingolfin> :)
[16:14:58] <Colourless> :-)
[16:15:33] <Soul|LOVE> omg hahaha i love the simpsons
[16:15:57] * Darke resisted the temptation to respond to that 'exult coders' comment in character. <grin>
[16:16:32] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: Homer: "Barney's film had heart, but Football in the Groin had a football in the groin."
[16:17:50] <Colourless> 'bout time there was a new topic
[16:17:57] <Soul|LOVE> hey
[16:18:49] <Soul|LOVE> i resent that topic
[16:18:59] <Soul|LOVE> my favorite female friend is an ultima fan
[16:18:59] <Darke> Soul|LOVE: On what grounds? <grin>
[16:19:15] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: it doesnt say that ultima7 doesn't attract money and girls
[16:19:23] <Soul|LOVE> lol
[16:19:25] <Soul|LOVE> ok
[16:20:24] <Colourless> :-)
[16:20:37] <Colourless> us coders wouldn't lie would we?
[16:20:45] <Soul|LOVE> never!
[16:22:22] <Colourless> ok, i must tell the truth. exult is actually secret program that we are making so we can TAKE OVER THE WORLD... that's how it will get us money and girls ;-)
[16:22:24] * Darke ponders... it is, however, technically incorrect. It assumes that it will attract both, what if the girls don't have money? <grin>
[16:22:39] <Soul|LOVE> but if you take over the world.. then they would be slaves... and .... :(
[16:22:50] <Soul|LOVE> or what if she likes poor guys
[16:22:54] <Soul|LOVE> like me
[16:22:55] <Soul|LOVE> i'm poor
[16:23:13] * Darke thinks Soul|LOVE is a poor soul.
[16:23:27] <Soul|LOVE> ha
[16:23:46] <Colourless> we will be benevolent rulers. the girls will be throwing themselves at as... at least, that is the theory
[16:24:06] <Colourless> s/at as.../at us.../
[16:24:28] <Soul|LOVE> hmmm
[16:25:29] <Colourless> you disagree?
[16:25:32] <sbx> Darke: would you guess the m in msize meant memory? this wouldnt make sense if usecode was designed to be read from HDD in increments
[16:25:39] <Soul|LOVE> i don't disagree, but one is enough for me
[16:26:12] <Colourless> :-)
[16:26:24] <Soul|LOVE> in fact, one is all I could possibly handle
[16:26:54] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: take her to your island love shack with a hole in the roof that you built
[16:27:04] <Soul|LOVE> lol don't mock my shack
[16:27:17] <sbx> im not its cool
[16:27:27] <sbx> tropical :-)
[16:27:32] <sbx> and such
[16:27:33] <Soul|LOVE> haha yes
[16:27:50] <sbx> with barrels as support beams
[16:27:59] <Darke> sbx: (msize) No idea. Remember these aren't the labels the u7DevTeam gave them, they're the labels Maxim (IIRC) gave them.
[16:28:10] <Soul|LOVE> lol yes
[16:28:21] <Soul|LOVE> well actually
[16:28:21] <sbx> Darke: Maxim's Size
[16:28:34] <Darke> sbx: That makes as much sense. <grin>
[16:28:36] <Soul|LOVE> the barrels are so you can't walk through the gap where vertical/horizontal logs meet
[16:29:07] <sbx> you can do that?
[16:29:33] * sbx got stuck inside a wall behind a door that way.
[16:29:37] <Soul|LOVE> if you put them together so only 1 pixel is aligned (like a perfect wall) you can walk right through it
[16:31:39] <Soul|LOVE> lmfao hahah
[16:31:48] <Soul|LOVE> Bart: "It's time for me to bend over and receive my destiny"
[16:33:28] <sbx> hehe i remember that
[16:33:52] <Soul|LOVE> lmfao i love that sound clib
[16:33:53] <Soul|LOVE> clip *
[16:34:09] <Soul|LOVE> Skinner: "I know you can read my thoughts bart: You're in trouble"
[16:34:23] <Soul|LOVE> Homer: "I know you can read my thoughts boy: meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow "
[16:43:48] <sbx> my cat likes Meow Mix :-)
[16:44:14] <Soul|LOVE> meow meow meow meow
[16:57:11] <Soul|LOVE> i sleep now, letting me function later today, possibly missing lisa waking up, or I sleep later, greeting lisa as she awakens, sending my entire day into dreamland. what choose i?
[16:57:55] <Soul|LOVE> ha coincidence strikes
[16:59:17] <sbx> ...
[17:01:29] <Soul|LOVE> nm she's already up, and I have to do a looooooooooot of laundry today
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[17:29:05] <Nadir> b
[17:29:41] <Nadir> Darke: I forget if you told me or not, but does the new automake magic work for ucxt ?
[17:29:51] <sbx> wb Nadir
[17:30:51] <Colourless> wb
[17:30:59] <Darke> Nadir: Yep. It works perfectly, I had to update my documentation, and the exult.cfg file option though. <grin>
[17:31:39] <Nadir> your what ?
[17:31:40] <Nadir> :)
[17:31:55] <sbx> his docudata
[17:31:58] <Nadir> you mean you actually HAVE documentation ?
[17:32:26] <Nadir> maybe it's something he's keeping to himself and not committing to CVS
[17:32:48] <Fingolfin> hi Nadir
[17:32:58] <Fingolfin> cvs compiles fine for me
[17:33:04] <Fingolfin> that is, after I run "automake ; ./config.status"
[17:33:17] <Fingolfin> to force the Makefile for ucxt to be generated :)
[17:34:23] <Nadir> I don't think that will work completely
[17:34:37] <Darke> Nadir: There is a single file of documentation of which there is about 2 'notes'. One of which is the configuration option for ucxt to easily find it's path. <grin> Mainly for my uses.
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[17:35:00] <Nadir> configure.in changed, so configure needs to be regenerated, therefore I believe that config.status should be invalid
[17:35:01] <Darke> I had to autogen.sh; configure; to get it to work myself.
[17:35:04] <wjp> hi
[17:35:13] <Nadir> Many people here !
[17:35:13] <sbx> hi
[17:35:14] <Nadir> Hi wjp
[17:35:16] <Colourless> wb
[17:35:26] * Darke bows to wjp.
[17:35:44] <Nadir> Darke: correct.
[17:37:00] <Nadir> Hey, we should get Jeff in here. He just posted on the forum
[17:37:41] * Nadir screams USECODE !
[17:38:10] <Colourless> well, we are missing dominus as well
[17:38:17] <sbx> Do I detect ...
[17:38:21] <sbx> ... the scent of Usecode?
[17:40:32] <Darke> No.
[17:41:26] <wjp> Hey, when did Jeff release a 3rd version of the map-editor demo?
[17:41:30] <Nadir> Fingolfin: you should really reply to http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1695&t=1695
[17:41:45] <Nadir> a few days ago. You're the only one who hadn't noticed :)
[17:42:05] <Fingolfin> Nadir: I am almost never reading the forum, unless somebody points me to it
[17:43:53] * Darke considers that given the size of Spark's Ass, that may be a good idea. <grin>
[17:44:21] <Nadir> Darke: Spark's Ass isn't that large. 2x2 pixels at most
[17:46:39] <Colourless> :-)
[17:47:46] * Darke thinks it's particularly sad how you can't make a _completely_ innocent statement in here, without it being taken completely out of context. <sternfluff> You all should be ashamed of yourselves. <innocentwiggle>
[17:48:46] <Nadir> Now that you mention that do you think that we could also add a <wiggle> option to Spark's Ass too ?
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[17:49:49] <Darke> Nadir: Let's not, and not even claim to have done.
[17:49:58] <Nadir> :)
[17:51:34] * Colourless points out that the creator of Spark's Ass is right here in thet channel as we speak
[17:52:09] * Darke has noticed that. <grin> He does, however, not appear to be awake at the moment.
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[17:59:41] * Nadir is going
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[17:59:52] * Darke is also going. <grin>
[18:00:01] <Colourless> cya
[18:00:06] <sbx> cya
[18:00:31] * Darke attacks a pair of yellow, shiny and sparkly faux rabbit ears to toad`sMoke's head. "Night all."
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[18:02:23] <Fingolfin> hm, isn't jeff married? I seem to vaguely recall he has a daughter os so...
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[18:11:45] <Colourless> now why did you go do that for?
[18:11:51] <Colourless> :-)
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[18:19:00] <sbx> I must sleep now.
[18:19:00] <sbx> ?date
[18:19:00] <exultbot> It is now Thu Dec 6 18:19:00 2001 (GMT).
[18:19:07] <sbx> good evening
[18:19:07] <wjp> night
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