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[01:18:08] <baard> Hi there. Anyone here who has the Roland MT-32 ROM file for the emulator? :)
[01:19:47] <baard> If so, could someone please mail it to me at: baardern@hotmail.com
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[08:38:35] <servus> Hmmmm.... *snicker*
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[10:28:32] * WishStone grinst at wjp
[10:28:36] <WishStone> Hello everyone :]
[10:29:12] <sbx> hi WishStone
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[10:32:11] <wjp> hi
[10:35:23] <servus> Hi WishStone
[10:35:35] <WishStone> Huhu ;]
[10:35:43] <servus> wjp: You're part of uwadv, check my last post? :P
[10:35:55] * WishStone is reading a thread on a german forum for owners of "agressive" dogs and frowns
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[10:57:11] <sbx> and Shamino turned into someone else entirely
[10:57:27] <sbx> or is that the avatar
[10:57:31] <sbx> the picture doesn't make any sense
[10:57:37] <sbx> or I'm too tired
[10:58:27] <sbx> but it says denis loubet so the I'm probably too tired
[10:58:29] <sbx> Ch
[10:58:57] <sbx> and im talking in the wrong window so I'm definately too tired
[10:58:59] <sbx> SORRY
[11:01:22] * servus gives sbx a wonk with a large trout
[11:01:22] <sbx> that only makes me sleepier
[11:01:22] <servus> We both need sleep then
[11:01:31] <sbx> lol ...
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[11:06:55] <Dominus> hi all
[11:06:57] * Dominus is happy
[11:07:18] <Dominus> with Dosbox people can now install the original U7 from floppy
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[11:07:48] <Dominus> that is veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery useful
[11:08:00] <Dominus> hi Colourless
[11:08:09] <Colourless> hi
[11:08:48] <Dominus> I just tested Dosbox and now we can tell all those non-Windows user that want to install the original floppy version of u7 to use dosbox
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[11:10:07] <Dominus> it does now handle floppy drives correctly
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[11:10:07] <WishStone> Hmpf!
[11:10:07] <Colourless> so WishStone why do you have so many problems?
[11:10:07] <WishStone> I have the fridge from hell
[11:10:12] <Colourless> fridge?
[11:10:22] <Dominus> ah, you have one of those internet fridges ?
[11:10:25] <Dominus> :-)
[11:10:42] <Dominus> that is so cool!
[11:10:46] <WishStone> ;] No, I have a fridge in my room that, when it turns itself ON, turns my modem OFF :P
[11:10:48] <Colourless> does it trip the power whever the compressor turns on or something?
[11:10:51] <WishStone> (My modem crashes)
[11:11:08] <Dominus> that is bad
[11:11:13] <Colourless> most strange
[11:11:24] <Colourless> external modem i'm guessing
[11:11:30] <WishStone> Aye
[11:11:34] <Dominus> have you tried another "Steckdose"?
[11:11:53] <Dominus> if possible one that is not in line with the fridge's
[11:11:55] <WishStone> "Outlet" ;D Yes, but all is on the same fuse in this room :\
[11:12:01] <Dominus> damn
[11:12:14] <Colourless> might want a line conditioner or something
[11:12:25] <WishStone> Indeed
[11:12:40] <wjp> your pc itself doesn't have a problem with it?
[11:13:23] <WishStone> PC dosn't, no, but my stereo (which is hooked to the PC) does... the sound goes softer for the time the fridge runs
[11:13:34] <Colourless> i would imagine the capacitors in the PC power supply would sort of compensate
[11:14:30] <Colourless> also the quality of power supply in your pc will make a difference. Cheaper power supplies are less likely to clean the source as well as more expensive ones
[11:14:48] <Colourless> your fridge is obviously causing your power to become very dirty
[11:15:14] <WishStone> *looks puzzled* So.. I need a electron-wash? :P
[11:15:21] <Dominus> move the fridge into the bedroom
[11:15:35] <WishStone> What bedroom? *lives in a 12mē dorm room*
[11:15:54] <Dominus> oh, sorry, I feared something like that
[11:16:01] <WishStone> :D
[11:16:47] * WishStone lives on 12mē with a big cage giving a home to 2 rats, her bed, desk, pc, lamps, fridge sink and a hug cabinet, also some boards as shelves on the wall
[11:17:02] <WishStone> Also this room contains my whole life as I don't have any other home :P
[11:17:32] <WishStone> So there is boxes of pictures, Lego, plush teddies, books book and more books....
[11:18:17] <Dominus> I would not be able to live with a pet and/or my fridge in the same room
[11:18:24] <Dominus> especially not in winter
[11:18:50] * Colourless says living with a fridge in winter wouldn't be a problem... summer though, gee
[11:19:06] <sbx> why not?
[11:19:14] <WishStone> You get used to the boys running around and feeding at night ;]
[11:19:19] <Dominus> I wouldn't be able to stand the fridge noise
[11:19:36] <Dominus> and the smell and noise of rats would drive me mad
[11:21:03] * Colourless has slept in a few rooms with fridges in them and really didn't notice the noise
[11:21:18] <Dominus> depends on the fridge of course
[11:21:27] <sbx> who sleeps with a loud computer near them?
[11:22:35] <WishStone> Who says i leave it running? ;D
[11:22:35] * Darke waves. It's either reasonable computer fan noise, or ringing/roaring in my ears. (tinnitus)
[11:22:53] <WishStone> Darke: Born with it or aquired?
[11:23:21] <Darke> WishStone: Born. Was about 13 when I realised that most people don't have background noise, even if there is none. *grin*
[11:23:30] <WishStone> *nods*
[11:25:53] <Dominus> damn, now that I'm so happy that dosbox does floppys so easy I looked at the content of the u7 disks and find that they are veeeeeery simple to extract the stuff yourself
[11:26:08] <Dominus> (I just wouldn't want to describe it in a readme)
[11:26:49] <Dominus> they are just 3 zips that have been split up
[11:27:05] <Dominus> and the split up is where most people would probably have problems with
[11:27:51] <wjp> hm, should be possible to write a basic commandline installer
[11:27:59] <Darke> I remember seeing a batch file that someone wrote a few years ago to 'automagicly' remerge them.
[11:28:47] <sbx> didnt someone post about this on the exult forum
[11:29:16] <Dominus> it is fairly easy: U7disk00, U7disk01, U7disk02 (first zip); U7disk10,U7disk11,U7disk12 (second), U7disk20,U7disk21 (third one)
[11:29:17] <wjp> I think copy can concatenate files
[11:29:32] <Dominus> wjp: exactly
[11:29:38] <wjp> ("copy a + b c" ?)
[11:29:47] <Dominus> I think so
[11:29:51] <servus> xcopy
[11:30:15] <Colourless> copy
[11:30:26] <sbx> copy /b
[11:30:27] <Colourless> copy a + b /b c
[11:30:35] <Colourless> where the /b stands for binary copy
[11:31:00] <Dominus> it is just not something I would want to write in our docs, unless we know how the files of SI and the add ons are named
[11:31:07] <servus> What about >> ?
[11:31:07] <Colourless> it's supposed to be able to auto detect, but it's not so good at doing that
[11:31:13] <Dominus> or even if the add-ons work the same
[11:31:15] <Colourless> >> is piping
[11:31:41] <Colourless> that is append the pipe stdout into the file
[11:31:50] <servus> Ah, yes, the + is right.
[11:32:11] <servus> To append files, specify a single file for destination, but multiple files for source (using wildcards or file1+file2+file3 format).
[11:32:21] <servus> So says Microsoft.
[11:33:02] <Colourless> using wildcards is a bad idea, since it does it by directory order, not alphabetical
[11:35:05] <Dominus> I would imagine giving the hint about how to do it manually would confuse more people than help
[11:35:34] <Dominus> and what do we do with all those Mac people that don't even have a floppy drive? :-)
[11:36:08] <wjp> we sell them our extra copies of the ultima collection CD at insane prices ;-)
[11:36:36] <Colourless> :-)
[11:37:03] <Colourless> it's sort of strange that you can say something like that and that it's true
[11:37:10] <Dominus> "place the disks on your Mac. Now wander three times clockwise around the system (yes, you have to move it away from the wall). After that three times counter-clockwise. Utter the magic words "Simmsalabim" while doing this!"
[11:37:38] <servus> Victa, Neratu... neratu... kla*SNEEZE*
[11:37:41] <wjp> can that minizip thingie we have in exult handle in-memory zip files?
[11:38:03] <wjp> if so, it would be fairly trivial to write a cross-platform commandline install tool
[11:38:11] <Colourless> wjp: no
[11:38:31] <Colourless> though the 'newest' version of it from what i hear can
[11:38:46] <wjp> hm, yes, now that you mention it
[11:38:47] <servus> Why not make an install program? Why must it be a script or a plugin?
[11:39:09] <wjp> servus: did you read my "if so, it would be fairly trivial..." line? :-)
[11:39:13] <Dominus> wjp: I don't think it is necessary anymore at this stage. On windows the install program works and on the oter systems they can use Dosbox
[11:39:34] <wjp> Dominus: dosbox is rather heavy just to install u7 :-)
[11:40:55] <Colourless> that i agree with
[11:41:03] <servus> I have to read?
[11:41:34] <Colourless> we already are planning to have some sort of method for Pentagram users to install U8/TGWDS from the original disks
[11:41:40] <Dominus> well, up to now we recommend other Dos-emulators :-)
[11:41:49] <Colourless> though I would be 'really' interested in finding someone with U8 on floppy
[11:42:20] <wjp> Dominus: that's not really an argument not to write an install tool :-)
[11:42:40] <Dominus> Colourless: don'T worry, as soon as Pentagram is in a more stable state, people with floppys will be knocking at our doors
[11:42:50] <Dominus> wjp: he he, true
[11:45:35] <Dominus> I wouldn't mind it at all. We could even make it -full (the whole stuff) or -exultready (only the static dir)
[11:49:39] <wjp> maybe even automatically adjust the config file :-)
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[12:03:55] * WishStone gets upset way too easily
[12:07:24] <Colourless> oh, i don't know, it all depends why
[12:07:55] <WishStone> people that piss on me useually fill the bill nicely, specially if they are in any form of "power" over me
[12:08:08] <WishStone> forum mods, bosses, professors...
[12:08:43] <Colourless> hey, don't you know, forum mods are 'always' idiots :-)
[12:09:02] * Colourless carefully attempts to ignore the fact he is technically a forum mod of the exult forums
[12:09:23] <WishStone> Don'T worry, I got pissed there as well before
[12:09:50] <Colourless> i really don't think i could actually moderate any forum that really has a substantial amount of traffic
[12:10:33] <Colourless> i would probably end up banning half the forum members if i had a 'bad' day
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[12:11:09] <WishStone> Which is why not every buddy an admin has is suited as mod
[12:14:45] <Colourless> one big problem that I have is sometimes i can be overly sarcastic in my responses so people may take something intended to be a joke as something serious. So sometimes I know that I have unintentionally pissed others off
[12:15:11] <WishStone> Yepp, worked several times on me before, Colourless.
[12:15:19] <WishStone> And I'm someone to hold a grudge.
[12:15:48] * Darke doesn't have the attention span to be a form mod, that's why he's not. *grin*
[12:16:15] <Colourless> there has actually been only one case where we've abused our moderator powers :-)
[12:16:37] <WishStone> But don't worry, colourless, someone else who's an OP in here who is currently on my ignore list, so don't think you got me quite yet.
[12:17:01] <Darke> Colourless: The Thread That Shalt Not Be Named?
[12:17:09] <Colourless> Darke: Of course
[12:18:02] <Darke> Colourless: Ahh. I don't think that was 'abuse' rather "saving mankind's sanity for another day" kind of thing.
[12:18:21] * sbx agrees, thought he thought it was pretty funny.
[12:19:37] <Colourless> The Thread That Shalt Not Be Named is a good example of why bug reports should not be submitted by the forum
[12:20:37] <Colourless> and it was a legitimate bug, which I fixed, but whoa, they actually wanted it
[12:21:05] <Colourless> kind of anyway
[12:21:38] <Colourless> I still remember when i finally deleted the entire thread that it messed up the database :-)
[12:22:50] <Darke> *snerk*
[12:23:06] * Colourless confesses he actually kept a copy of the thread saved on his harddrive
[12:23:23] <Colourless> good old
[12:23:32] <Colourless> "Algerabic Number Theory"
[12:24:51] <Darke> Colourless: Of course this was simply because you might have had to restore it should someone complain. *nodnod*
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[12:26:27] <Colourless> Darke: never, it was never going to come back
[12:26:27] * WishStone is also frustrated that she starts to cry when she's really really REALLY angry... something isn't wired correctly, methinks
[12:27:03] <WishStone> *heh* Well, no clue what you boys are onm about, but it sure sounded like a blast
[12:29:14] <Darke> Colourless: Suuuuuure!
[12:31:42] <Colourless> if you *really* want to know you can go here http://www.users.on.net/triforce/forbidden.htm (note the html is actually really huge and this wont exist for long). The first few posts were 'modified' by wjp and myself
[12:33:10] <WishStone> *peeks*
[12:34:40] <Darke> Colourless: You know, you really should get people to sign NDA's when looking at Top Seekrit Exult Technologies(tm). That and a requirement to never refer to it as anything but "The Thread That Shalt Not Be Named", too.
[12:35:01] <WishStone> And... what was it?
[12:35:22] <Colourless> after 100 or so posts the topic really lost if
[12:35:24] <Colourless> s/if/it/
[12:35:35] <Darke> I'm afraid I can't tell you that, Dave^WWishStone.
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[12:36:04] <WishStone> None the less, why the editing? *still no clue*
[12:36:49] <Colourless> the editing... well, it was us attempting to be funny
[12:36:58] <WishStone> ....
[12:37:09] * WishStone eyes Colourless... eyes wjp
[12:37:19] <WishStone> I see. Attempt is the word.
[12:37:32] <Colourless> we renamed the thread, which was originally "Spark's Ass" to "Algebraic Number Theory"
[12:38:08] <Colourless> Author: Artaxerxes
[12:38:09] <Colourless> Date: 12-27-01 06:08
[12:38:09] <Colourless> Now seriously, has anyone *NOT* in the exult dev team started to make a patch for Sparky's pant to shine again? We all know what the exult dev team think about that so it'll have to be done by oursel'
[12:38:09] <Colourless> Artaxerxes
[12:38:17] <Colourless> !!!!
[12:38:30] <Colourless> note the 'oursel' part....
[12:38:48] <WishStone> Hm.
[12:39:01] <WishStone> This is one of the "devs only" jokes, isn't it?
[12:39:13] <Colourless> yes pretty much
[12:39:22] * WishStone stops trying to understand then
[12:39:47] <Colourless> wjp and i changed the thread's topic and first few posts after 150 posts had been made
[12:39:53] <Colourless>
[12:39:53] <Colourless> Author: Colourless Dragon
[12:39:53] <Colourless> Date: 12-29-01 06:33
[12:39:53] <Colourless> 150 posts about algebraic number theory.... who would have thought it possible?
[12:39:53] <Colourless> -Colourless Dragon
[12:39:53] <Colourless>
[12:40:00] <Colourless> and it still managed another 100 posts
[12:40:44] <WishStone> Sorry to interrupt, you Geekness, but the thread, even if you changes 4 postings, is not about math.
[12:42:40] <sbx> thats why its funny
[12:43:34] <Colourless> we a game engine programmers... our sense of humour is well... a little strange
[12:43:39] <Colourless> s/a/are/
[12:43:43] <sbx> i didn't know it had so many posts
[12:44:29] <WishStone> *mutters* And people say germans don't have a sense of humor, they surely never met a german geek then
[12:45:05] <Colourless> got upto 251 posts
[12:45:49] <sbx> WishStone: what op is on your ignore list?
[12:46:20] <WishStone> an Op who carries an @ here in the channel of course.
[12:46:29] <Colourless> i'm guessing Fingolfin
[12:47:50] <sbx> something I missed?
[12:48:06] <Colourless> exultbot knows all
[12:48:17] <Dominus> not too long agao
[12:48:32] * WishStone shrugs
[12:49:18] <WishStone> At least I can say I don't run around pointing fingers. But then, with you guys, who needs to do that job on their own? *shakes her head*
[12:49:26] * Dominus is surprised again that that thread got so many posts. he must have wiped that part of his memory clean
[12:49:39] <Colourless> 'tis now gone btw
[12:50:40] * WishStone won't ever say that she blocked wjp because he's a short-nicked bastard anyhow
[12:52:03] <Colourless> around us it's best to consider us too serious
[12:52:21] <WishStone> ?
[12:52:31] <wjp> too serious?
[12:52:39] <Colourless> ?? indeed :-)
[12:52:45] <Colourless> it's best to consider us not too serious :-)
[12:52:53] <WishStone> ah, not.
[12:52:57] <sbx> but you won't deny you enjoy kicking people
[12:53:11] <Colourless> i enjoy kicking darke
[12:53:24] * WishStone thinks many of the Exult people have gotten a high on their fame and are on crack anyhow
[12:53:26] <Colourless> but, with us, it's kind of personal though
[12:53:38] <Dominus> we are famous?
[12:53:55] <Colourless> we are the envy of all other ultima remakes would be about it
[12:54:07] <WishStone> Specially that Dominus bloke who never says anything except flames ....... *smiles sweetly*
[12:54:13] <Dominus> hmm
[12:54:54] <sbx> Dominus gives good advice
[12:54:54] <Colourless> well, Dom, she isn't entirely incorrect
[12:54:55] <Dominus> I am the FAQ and Docs guy, when people ask "not-so-intelligent" questions I tend to be a bit short-fused
[12:55:15] <sbx> WishStone: did you play the SF island patch?
[12:55:31] <Dominus> that'S the reason I quit working at a financiyl institute
[12:55:40] <Colourless> he gives abrupt advice that is short and to the point
[12:55:42] <WishStone> Not played U7 a few days, sbx, I bought OUTPOST on ebay and got it to work ;D
[12:56:03] <WishStone> Colourless: That before or after he flames people?
[12:56:04] <WishStone> :P
[12:56:09] <Colourless> :-)
[12:56:09] <Dominus> WishStone: everytime you mention Outpost, I think you mean the personal firewall on my system
[12:56:31] <Colourless> sbx: I'm an exult dev and I haven't even played the SF island patch
[12:56:32] <WishStone> Dom: You don't know the round-based game by Sierra then?
[12:56:35] <Colourless> seriously, I haven't.
[12:56:45] <WishStone> (Not part two which is a not overly good real-time strategy)
[12:57:06] <Dominus> wjp: I read here what it is, but haven't ever played it (Outpost I mean)
[12:57:31] <Dominus> damn, I meant WishStone
[12:57:39] <sbx> Colourless: and yet, you have a cameo appearance
[12:58:01] <Colourless> yes, odd that
[12:58:06] <Dominus> I try to work on my temper but everytime I am in an extraordinary bad mood those damn posts show up....
[12:59:14] <Colourless> the problem in the end is the users
[12:59:22] <Colourless> they don't follow our instructions
[12:59:31] <Colourless> read the faq and docs, search the forum
[13:00:33] <Dominus> but at least you can be assured that my temper is not a result of being "famous". We can blame it on bad genes (I have not spoke to my father the last 4 or 5 years, mainly because our tempers ar not compatible)
[13:01:45] <Colourless> hey, we've been interviewed by gamespy.. we're famous, though how many people read the interview I don't know :-)
[13:01:47] <Dominus> last I heard from my sisters, is that since december or november I have a halfbrother. strange....
[13:01:52] <Colourless> slashdot even snubs us :-)
[13:02:23] <Dominus> yeah, I'd call us famous when we have been slashdotted
[13:02:47] <Dominus> but you wouldn't be able to tell a difference with the sluggishness of our forum
[13:03:06] <Colourless> we get mentioned in the comments all the time... but do we ever get a news story about us... no!
[13:03:23] <Colourless> well, our sites sluggishness is sf.net's problem
[13:03:31] <Dominus> I know
[13:04:10] <Colourless> I'm guessing if we all had the new 'SF.net subscriptions' things might get better :-)
[13:04:42] <Dominus> ah, reminds me to look that thing up
[13:05:02] <sbx> wishstone and servus are always arguing about UO in the logs
[13:05:04] * Dominus hasn't looked at the sf front page yet
[13:05:27] * Colourless thinks that no UO is the best kind of UO :-)
[13:06:20] * Darke is tempted to get a sf.net subscription. He'd not actually use the features, but still it'd be nice. *grin*
[13:06:30] * Dominus tends to agree with Colourless, but waits for UXO for a final verdict
[13:09:51] * Colourless of course is on a modem so any MMORPG is probably a really stupid idea
[13:11:42] <Dominus> I think I need this t-shirt: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/frustrations/3239/
[13:12:26] <wjp> Darke: yeah, I'm seriously considering it too
[13:13:48] <Dominus> and that one is for Colourless: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/29d2/
[13:13:57] <Colourless> Dominus: you are supposed to work past your anger... not fuel it
[13:13:58] <Darke> Dominus: Yes, yes I think you *do* need that shirt. *grin*
[13:14:59] <Dominus> hmm
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[13:28:39] <Darke> Dominus: Y'know, if you go over to the Dark Side(tm), you don't have to worry about any namby-pamby dragons trying to persuade you not to fuel your anger. *noddle*
[13:29:06] <Dominus> "beware of the dark side"
[13:30:15] <Colourless> hey, i'm purely thinking about the users
[13:30:39] <Colourless> i would hate for some enraged dominus scaring away all the 'users'
[13:31:48] <Dominus> I probably need my posting privileges removed
[13:38:44] <sbx> seems I missed DrCode again, 6 days ago
[13:39:51] <sbx> but he's going to add multiple map support, yippee
[13:40:31] <Dominus> he already did some stuff
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[14:41:24] <Dominus> hi again.
[14:41:33] <Colourless> wb
[15:30:25] <Dominus> got to go shopping now with my two darlings... I am so not master of my own will :(
[15:30:33] <Dominus> cu all
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[15:53:48] <WishStone> Sorry guys *was hiding*
[15:54:43] <wjp> hiding?
[15:54:55] <WishStone> Well, left without saying bye and stuff
[15:55:17] <wjp> well, your connection timed out
[15:55:47] <wjp> I wouldn't really expect you to reconnect just to say bye :-)
[15:55:52] <WishStone> yeah, would have sooner or later. Had to leave the PC
[15:56:27] <wjp> (and besides, I disappear without saying anything quite often myself :-) )
[15:56:50] <WishStone> tsk, bad you *starts bitching him out as soon as she has the energy for it*
[15:57:11] <wjp> eek; this sounds like a good time to disappear again, then ;-)
[15:57:19] <WishStone> *hehe*
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[16:22:11] <Colourless> !
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[18:14:22] <wjp> Colourless: "!" ?
[18:30:38] <wjp> hm, time to go again
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[19:39:57] <Colourless> qoing
[19:40:02] <Colourless> s/q/g/
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[21:09:16] <Dominus> hey ho
[21:09:20] <Dominus> wjp, Darke: is one of you there?
[21:09:35] <Dominus> I could use some help in flag descriptions...
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[22:10:17] <Dominus> I updated Exult Studio documentation and could need some read through :-)
[22:10:32] <Dominus> only a specific section though :-)
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