#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 6 Jan 2003 (GMT)

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[00:01:08] <wjp> I'm not the person to talk to about this, (luckily ;-) )
[00:01:37] <Coren_> slacked: about WineX, can you not checkout by tag/date to get at the exact source they used for their latest binary release?
[00:02:30] <Coren_> If they actually make that not possible to do, that's a direct violation of the GPL; I should stick RMS on them.
[00:02:46] <slacked> Yeh
[00:02:59] <slacked> well they keep saying I should stick witha stable branch of the CVS
[00:03:31] <Coren_> But the last (and only) time I have checked their tree out, it built fine. In fact, I was using it this afternoon to play JK2. :-)
[00:03:46] <slacked> perhaps they are doing it legally
[00:03:57] <slacked> Coren, did you use their config that came with the samples?
[00:04:12] <slacked> cause that config is really old and usually doesn't work
[00:04:23] <Coren_> Not possible; if you make a binary distribution you have to make the exact source used to build that binary distribution avaliable.
[00:04:51] <slacked> ?
[00:04:59] <Coren_> Hmmm. Don't think so-- I just adapted (slightly) the config file I had with my vanilla wine setup.
[00:05:07] <slacked> ahh yes
[00:05:10] <slacked> thats why it worked
[00:05:48] <Coren_> Just configure yours by hand; it's all rather easy.
[00:05:51] <Coren_> man wine.conf
[00:07:24] <slacked> yeh
[00:07:32] <slacked> but if your lazy like me
[00:07:43] <slacked> ...
[00:08:27] <Coren_> Well, arguable, if one is too lazy to configure his software, one might as well subscribe to a $5/month support subscription. :-)
[00:09:35] <slacked> !!
[00:09:44] <slacked> nah, just the configure file
[00:09:44] <slacked> ehehe
[00:09:50] <slacked> i like compiling stuff you see
[00:10:00] <slacked> it gives me more freedom
[00:11:58] <slacked> anyway
[00:12:16] <slacked> hows exult been going along? Its been a few weeks so i think ill update the CVS tree
[00:12:19] <Coren_> Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. :-)
[00:13:03] <slacked> well Coren, if you eat someone elses cake, then you can have both essentially
[00:13:51] <Coren_> Sure, but then you don't get to complain if you don't like the recepie. :-)
[00:14:07] <slacked> true true..
[00:14:40] <Coren_> For instance, if you find some fault with LoW, you get to not use it and make your own for free. :-)
[00:19:16] <wjp> :-)
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[00:20:34] <Coren_> Kirben!!!
[00:20:40] <slacked> hello Kirben
[00:21:09] <Kirben> Hi
[00:22:49] <slacked> would the correct way to update exult from CVS be... cvs -z3 update -dP
[00:23:03] <slacked> cause thats what I use with everything else, seems to work just fine
[00:23:38] <Kirben> yes
[00:24:03] <slacked> k good
[00:25:09] <slacked> z3 would be the compression level, right?
[00:25:38] <Kirben> yes
[00:26:10] <slacked> kirben :)
[00:26:12] <slacked> always helping people out arnt you?
[00:28:09] <wjp> time for me to go
[00:28:12] <wjp> g'night
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[00:34:23] <slacked> yah
[00:34:32] <slacked> now all my favourite dos games work :))
[01:01:29] <Dark-Star> hmm... cygwin and SDL don't seem to work together, at least not for me ...
[01:06:15] <Dark-Star> strange... after compiling my program with msys, all it does is return to the cmdline... no output or anything.
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[01:17:36] <slacked> hrrm
[01:17:42] <slacked> I'll compile now...
[01:17:46] <slacked> see whats happening
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[03:04:44] <Kirben> Anyone have Ultima 9: Dragon Edition ?
[03:12:58] * Coren_ just has the normal edition.
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[03:18:35] <Kirben> nevermind.
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[06:09:16] <ShadwChsr> evenin
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[11:54:05] <Colourless> hi
[11:59:06] <Darke> Hi!
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[12:31:20] <wjp> hi
[12:31:28] <Colourless> hi
[12:32:44] <Darke> Hi.
[12:33:04] * Darke awes at the high signal->noise ratio of the channel.
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[15:48:47] <matto|wookin> any 'Snak' users around here? :)
[15:49:36] <Darke> Erm... snak?
[15:49:40] <wjp> what's that?
[15:51:47] <matto|wookin> a macintosh IRC program :)
[15:55:09] <wjp> Fingolfin used it once according to grep
[16:03:17] <matto|wookin> lol
[16:03:39] <matto|wookin> he certainly seemed to be frowning on my usage of chatzilla for Mac :)
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[16:29:34] <Colourless> hi
[16:29:42] <matto|wookin> hi
[16:30:30] <Darke> Greetings, oh semi-transparent one!
[16:30:56] <Colourless> what in the name of all things holy is this 'semi' business?
[16:30:57] * Darke worships the great dragon-god of... err... Colourlessness!
[16:31:22] * Darke grovels, "Sorry Great One!"
[16:31:30] <matto|wookin> lol!
[16:31:56] <matto|wookin> COLOURLESS!!!! :)
[16:32:10] <Colourless> if i were *only* semi-transparent, i wouldn't be colourless would i
[16:32:38] * Darke glares at matto, "Do not laugh Heretic! Bow before the might of the Great Dragon!"
[16:33:02] * Darke checks the clock. Erm... yeah, it's that time of the night again. *grin*
[16:33:49] <matto|wookin> *grovels next to Darke*
[16:34:24] * Colourless quietly backs aways, not wanting to know whats really going on between Darke and matto
[16:34:58] <matto|wookin> !
[16:35:24] <matto|wookin> ok, I am officially tired...
[16:36:55] * Darke grumbles and pushes matto away from The Great Dragon. "Oi! Up this close is only for higher initiates! Get back further, you're not allowed to bask in the radience of his Colourlessness so much!"
[16:40:00] * Darke is also Officially Tired(tm). But I guess y'all kinda worked that out by now? *grin*
[16:40:32] <Colourless> it's hard to tell with you. The more tired you get, the more active you seem to become
[16:41:02] <matto|wookin> are you tired and ready to sleep? or tired and forced to stay awake
[16:41:09] <matto|wookin> I am the latter since it is 9:39 AM and I'm at work
[16:42:56] <Darke> Tired and staying awake 'cause I've got nothing better to do mainly. Other then chatting on an irc channel or two (*points at #exult & #pentagram*) and a muck. *yawn* Though I really should go to bed soon, have half a dozen things that need to be done in normal working hours (gasp!) tommorrow. *grin*
[16:43:26] <Colourless> :-)
[17:50:35] * Darke yawns and finally wanders off to sleep an hour later. *grin* Night!
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[18:34:31] <Fingolfin> yo
[18:34:42] <Colourless> hi
[18:35:53] * Fingolfin tests a new (beta) version of his irc client. could somebody say something with "Fingolfin" occuring in it, please? :-)
[18:36:05] <wjp> sure, "Fingolfin" :-)
[18:36:51] <Fingolfin> can you do that again, pleaes?
[18:36:55] <Colourless> no Fingolfin
[18:37:11] <Fingolfin> ohhh :-( why not? :-)
[18:37:57] <matto|wookin> Beta version of SNAK, fingolfin?? :)
[18:38:10] <Dark-Star> does your IRC client also recognize something like fINGOLFIN or FiNgOlFiN ??
[18:38:13] <Fingolfin> yes. now that works.
[18:38:20] <Fingolfin> Dark-Star: apparently it does :-)
[18:38:22] * wjp wonders how many times we'll be able to squeeze Fingolfin into our sentences
[18:38:22] * matto|wookin takes a moment to eat a small snak
[18:38:23] <Fingolfin> Dark-Star: could point
[18:38:47] <Fingolfin> and thanks to matto|wookin I know it work fine w/o my nick, too (i.e. w/o my nick it will *NOT* highlight. phew :-)
[18:38:52] <matto|wookin> ah ha.. I was right, it is Snak :)
[18:39:35] <matto|wookin> oh look, wjp is using gentoo
[18:40:09] <matto|wookin> and exultbot is up to version 0.06 :)
[18:40:40] <Fingolfin> hehe
[18:41:01] <Fingolfin> can somebody do a DCC offer to me? want to see if it will notify me of that, too
[18:43:21] <wjp> did anybody already or should I? :-)
[18:43:56] <Colourless> any dcc's with me are likely to fail, so i didnt
[18:44:10] <wjp> I have no idea if dcc from me is currently working
[18:44:19] <Fingolfin> works,
[18:44:23] <Fingolfin> thx folks
[18:44:24] * wjp looks at the waiting dcc chat offer
[18:45:02] <Fingolfin> brb
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[18:45:29] <Fingolfin> hm
[18:45:31] <Fingolfin> crisp fontdisplay
[18:46:08] <Fingolfin> tengwar is not the best font to use for IRC =)
[19:12:18] * wjp hmmms... does vector have a push_back(void) function?
[19:12:36] <wjp> widelands seems to be using it, but gcc doesn't particularly like it :-)
[19:12:43] <Colourless> don't think so
[19:13:41] <wjp> they're probably trying to push_back a default-constructed object, I guess
[19:14:41] <Colourless> could be
[19:16:26] <matto|wookin> push_back? I think it does have one
[19:17:54] <wjp> the 'void' part is the important part :-)
[19:30:44] <Fingolfin> the second void, to be precise =)
[19:31:40] <Fingolfin> I agree with Colourless, anyway :-) it's not in the standard specs in any case
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[21:33:54] <Coren_> I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate neural nets. They suck! I hate them. Suckysuckysucky sycketisuck yuk!
[21:36:20] <Coren_> Did I mention I hate them? They suck.
[21:38:36] <Coren_> And now I think my professor hates me, too. I seem to have failed to show the "proper" awe and reverence to the Holy Grail of computing neural nets supposedly are.
[21:43:21] <slacked> LOL
[21:49:42] <wjp> hi Coren_ :-)
[21:50:17] <wjp> holy grail of computing? *grin*
[22:11:45] <Dark-Star> Coren_ well, NNs are not *that* bad...
[22:22:17] * wjp blinks... why would the abiword package conflict with the bash-completion package?
[22:22:41] <wjp> (in gentoo)
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[22:25:49] <wjp> *sigh*, apparently the autogen.sh scripts fails when some of the bash-completion rules are active
[22:26:09] <wjp> so why not just disable those rules instead of conflicting with the bash-completion package?! *sigh*
[23:09:01] <Coren_> wjp: lazy bums doing the installation? :-)
[23:09:35] <wjp> hehe :-)
[23:10:02] <wjp> I'm kind of wondering how bash completion rules can have an effect on scripts, though
[23:10:36] <Coren_> wjp: I'm unsure as well; they shouldn't affect anything not on a tty
[23:18:16] <wjp> hm, I can't reproduce the error in the relevant bug report
[23:19:23] <wjp> it works just fine with bash completion enabled
[23:20:30] <Coren_> Therefore, it's an /ir/relevant bug report.
[23:20:32] * Coren_ grins.
[23:20:40] <wjp> :-)
[23:20:57] <Coren_> Neural nets suck. Did I mention that?
[23:20:58] <wjp> hm, the error seems to indicate that 'echo *.m4' expanded the *.m4 to absolute paths
[23:21:32] <Coren_> That should not be possible anyways, globbing '*' can never expand to slashes.
[23:22:19] <Coren_> Might have been a /bug/ in globbing in some specific version of bash.
[23:22:26] <wjp> true
[23:23:33] <wjp> hm, or maybe it wasn't that '*.m4' expanded to full paths of .m4 files
[23:23:46] <wjp> for script in `cd ac-helpers/fallback; echo *.m4`; do
[23:23:52] <wjp> cp ac-helpers/fallback/$script ac-helpers/$script
[23:23:54] <wjp> error is:
[23:24:10] <wjp> `ac-helpers/fallback//var/tmp/portage/abiword-1.0.2-r1/work/abiword-1.0.2/abi/ac-helpers/fallback': No such file or directory
[23:24:32] <wjp> which means that script was set to '/var/tmp/portage/abiword-1.0.2-r1/work/abiword-1.0.2/abi/ac-helpers/fallback'
[23:25:03] * wjp wonders how that could possibly be the result of `cd ac-helpers/fallback; echo *.m4`
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[23:25:50] <wjp> (this isn't the entire loop, btw, in case you're wondering why they didn't do a simple 'cp ac-helpers/fallback/*.m4 ac-helpers' :-)
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[23:33:55] * Coren_ shrugs.
[23:34:06] <Coren_> I will have to include a '// neural nets suck'
[23:34:10] <Coren_> somewhere in LoW source.
[23:34:12] * Coren_ grins.
[23:34:20] <wjp> :-)
[23:34:22] <Coren_> Hmm. Foodness beckons.
[23:34:31] * Coren_ is away: food
[23:38:42] <wjp> oh, Coren_, in case you're interested: Colourless' main objection against dynamic_cast is that Embedded C++ (or something) for pocketpc doesn't support it :/
[23:39:34] <wjp> time for some sleep; g'night
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