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[10:08:16] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> hi
[10:08:19] <V0|D> hi
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[10:51:36] <V0|D> just the person ive been looking for :)
[10:51:44] <Fingolfin> yo
[10:52:02] <Fingolfin> seems you are lucky, then, first time I show here up for more than week I think
[10:52:03] <Fingolfin> =)
[10:52:13] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> :)
[10:52:25] * sbx_downloading_phat_beats rejoices.
[10:52:40] <V0|D> ive been having trouble compiling exult on osx. i posted an article on the forum
[10:53:45] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> you were person who posted about Fink?
[10:53:50] <V0|D> a long time ago (in a gal...yaddda yadda) i told you that i compiled my own version of the tools required to compile, and you said i should have used fink cause its easier...
[10:53:56] * Fingolfin never ever reads the forum, unless somebody clubs him to it =)
[10:53:57] <V0|D> yeh
[10:54:17] <V0|D> well, i used fink and since then i cant complie exult
[10:54:22] <V0|D> i think i did someting bad
[10:54:30] <Fingolfin> I will update my exult sources to head CVS and see how it works for me
[10:54:36] <Fingolfin> what exactly is your problem?
[10:54:40] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> does Exult work on OSX?
[10:54:47] <Fingolfin> it does, at least for me
[10:54:55] <Fingolfin> and that for a long time now =)
[10:55:05] <V0|D> its during ./configure. stops with an error
[10:55:27] <V0|D> but almost a month ago it stopped during the auotgen.sh script...so maybe its not me
[10:57:14] <V0|D> ./ltconfig: can't open input file: ./ltconfig
[10:57:14] <V0|D> configure: error: libtool configure failed
[10:59:16] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> doesnt libtoolize make that?
[10:59:29] <V0|D> maybe im missing that?
[10:59:32] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> or something similiar
[11:01:05] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> or you didnt run it
[11:01:26] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> but i thought it ran automatically
[11:01:26] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> i dont know much about it
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[11:02:06] <V0|D> after running libtoolize i still get the same error
[11:02:14] <Fing> GRRRRR
[11:02:24] <Fing> sorry, I was kicked offline by my provider right after you said
[11:02:34] <Fing> [11:55 Uhr] <V0|D> its during ./configure. stops with an error
[11:02:36] <Fing> :(
[11:02:40] <V0|D> haha, ok
[11:02:44] <V0|D> the rest was:
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[11:03:06] <V0|D> <V0|D> but almost a month ago it stopped during the auotgen.sh script...so
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[11:03:07] <V0|D> maybe its not me
[11:03:07] <V0|D> <V0|D> ./ltconfig: can't open input file: ./ltconfig
[11:03:07] <V0|D> <V0|D> configure: error: libtool configure failed
[11:03:41] <Fingolfin> ah
[11:03:54] <Fingolfin> well, you have to run autogen.sh to create this file
[11:03:58] <Fingolfin> files even
[11:04:11] <V0|D> yeh, that works...i think...i use "sh autogen.sh"
[11:04:15] <Fingolfin> for this to work, you have to have GNU libtool and automake installed.
[11:04:21] <Fingolfin> ./autogen.sh should work as well
[11:04:26] <V0|D> ok
[11:04:39] <Fingolfin> so, does autogen.sh print out any errors?
[11:04:53] * Fingolfin surfs to the forum
[11:05:05] <V0|D> ./autogen.sh says: ./autogen.sh: command not found
[11:05:19] <V0|D> but running it under sh works without errors
[11:05:25] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> oh
[11:05:33] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> i thought you had already run autogen.sh :)
[11:05:37] <V0|D> i had
[11:05:39] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> cause it runs libtoolize
[11:05:59] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> but?
[11:06:02] <V0|D> this is what autogen.sh says:
[11:06:03] <V0|D> [localhost:~/Downloads/exult] void% sh autogen.sh
[11:06:03] <V0|D> usage: rm [-dfiPRrW] file ...
[11:06:03] <V0|D> You should update your `aclocal.m4' by running aclocal.
[11:06:03] <V0|D> automake: configure.in: installing `./install-sh'
[11:06:03] <V0|D> automake: configure.in: installing `./mkinstalldirs'
[11:06:05] <V0|D> automake: configure.in: installing `./missing'
[11:06:07] <V0|D> You are now ready to run ./configure
[11:06:15] <Fingolfin> ok, seems fine
[11:06:29] <Fingolfin> no, if you enter "ll ltconfig", what do you get?
[11:06:43] <V0|D> ls: ltconfig: No such file or directory
[11:10:11] <V0|D> do you think it may be because i already had libtool and automake installed when i ran Fink to install them again?
[11:12:08] <Fingolfin> everything is possible. please type "which libtoolize" to see which one it uses
[11:12:39] <V0|D> /usr/local/bin/libtoolize
[11:13:00] <Fingolfin> argh
[11:13:02] <Fingolfin> bad
[11:13:12] <V0|D> hehe
[11:13:15] <V0|D> so what now?
[11:13:20] <Fingolfin> Fink doesn't overwrite anything you already have, as that would be a very bad thing indeed. It installs all its stuff into /sw by default. If you manually installe stuff before in /usr/local/, you may want to get rid of that.
[11:13:32] <V0|D> i see
[11:13:39] <V0|D> makes sense
[11:13:40] <Fingolfin> so, if yo have libtool, automake etc. in /usr/local -> dump 'em =)
[11:13:47] <V0|D> cool....brb!
[11:14:33] <V0|D> inside /usr/local/bin?
[11:15:16] <V0|D> i need to get rid of: automake, libtool, libtoolize...is that all?
[11:15:31] <Fingolfin> what else do you have in there?
[11:15:48] <V0|D> BitchX captoinfo infocmp libtoolize sdl-config toe wserv
[11:15:48] <V0|D> aclocal clear infotocap reset tack tput
[11:15:49] <V0|D> automake cmatrix libtool scr-bx tic tset
[11:17:26] <Fingolfin> get rid of aclocal as well
[11:17:45] <V0|D> ok, so those four tools? (just to make sure)
[11:18:31] <Fingolfin> also, it seems you installed bitchx and ncurses manually.... you may or may not want to use the Fink alternatives for them (in fact, ncurses is always installed by FInk).
[11:18:41] <Fingolfin> automake, libtool, libtoolize, aclocal
[11:18:49] <V0|D> ok, ill try that
[11:18:55] <Fingolfin> and possibly, sdl-config, too
[11:19:06] <Fingolfin> if you want to use the SDL version included with Fink =)
[11:19:53] <V0|D> done those four, is ncurses used with exult?
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[11:20:51] <Colourless> hi
[11:23:42] <V0|D> so, ill run dselect now?
[11:23:47] <V0|D> hi colourless
[11:26:08] <Fingolfin> yo ryan
[11:26:37] <Fingolfin> V0|D: you can run dselect now, yeah, if you need to install automake/autoconf/libtool/sdl via Fink
[11:27:06] <Fingolfin> or just enter "apt-get install automake autoconf libtool sdl" :-)
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[11:36:28] <V0|D> ohh...now it complains there is no libtoolize
[11:37:35] <Fingolfin> again, do you have /sw/bin in your path?
[11:37:57] <Fingolfin> if you say "which libtoolize", what does it say?
[11:38:28] <V0|D> not found
[11:39:01] <Fingolfin> if you enter "ll /sw/bin/libtoolize", what do you get?
[11:39:25] <V0|D> no such file or directory
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[11:40:19] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> hmm
[11:40:26] <V0|D> wb
[11:40:31] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> ty
[11:40:41] * sbx_downloading_phat_beats kicks his modem figuratively.
[11:40:54] * Fingolfin sympathizes
[11:41:55] <sbx_downloading_phat_beats> got disconnected in the middle of downloading phat beats too :)
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[11:44:51] * Darke paws in, "Hi."
[11:45:01] <Colourless> hi
[11:45:19] <V0|D> hi
[11:45:31] <sbx> Hmm
[11:45:33] <Darke> sbx: What exactly are 'phat beats'? Some sort of genetically modified beetroot?
[11:45:39] * sbx greets Darke and wonders where Colourless came from.
[11:45:52] <sbx> sort of
[11:45:59] * sbx gives Darke some phat beats to try.
[11:46:09] <Darke> sbx: Colourless is always around. Sometimes he's just a little harder to see then others.
[11:46:41] <Colourless> you really think so?
[11:51:08] <Darke> Colourless: Yes. Why do you think I have a predilection for painting you a particularly pretty coat of paint?
[11:51:52] <Colourless> oh :-)
[11:52:44] <Colourless> so, what paint is it that you use?
[11:52:57] <Darke> A link I've been tempted to post on the forum at one time or another. <grin> http://www.despair.com/demotivators/cluelessness.html
[11:55:31] * Darke thinks that he's used pink, purple and black paint in the past. It'd be in the logs anyway. <grin>
[11:55:53] * sbx will use Infravision mode from now on.
[11:56:38] <Darke> sbx: Sonar would probably work better.
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[11:58:49] <sbx> I will equip a full electromagnetic and audio range sensor package, with passive and active audio scans when I get the money.
[11:59:10] <Cless|Away> i asked what TYPE not what COLOUR! :-)
[11:59:21] <Darke> A "Yay! There's some sense in the .us judicial system!" story: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020305/ts_nm/media_timewarner_columbine_dc_1
[12:00:29] <Darke> Cless|Away: You just asked what paint, not what type. <grin> A water based mat paint for the black, and probably a water based high-gloss for the others.
[12:00:48] <Darke> Cless|Away: That provide sufficient information for you? <grin>
[12:00:49] <sbx> I think that case would have been dismissed in any court in the ".us judicial system". :-)
[12:02:05] <Darke> sbx: From the outside looking in, I really wouldn't bet on it given some of the decisions they've made in the past. <droopear>
[12:03:11] <sbx> Your media may be distorted, but I can only agree that I do remember some bad decisions. :-( It is subjective in many cases.
[12:03:40] <V0|D> Reading Package Lists... Done
[12:03:40] <V0|D> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:03:40] <V0|D> Sorry, libtool is already the newest version.
[12:03:41] <V0|D> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:03:47] <V0|D> ^ thats for fingolfin
[12:04:00] <Fingolfin> apt-get reinstall libtool
[12:04:25] * sbx is handed a slip of paper accusing him of Trademark Infringement from Despair Inc. for using the ":-(" emoticon, and ordering him to appear in court.
[12:04:27] <V0|D> E: Invalid operation reinstall
[12:04:29] <sbx> :-\
[12:05:00] <Fingolfin> I never use apt-get, but I know it has the ability to reinstall a packge
[12:05:10] <Fingolfin> in any case, just do "fink reinstall libtool"
[12:05:11] <Darke> sbx: Not really. I'm getting the news mainly from .us websites. And whilst I do know that the news on them is distorted, I'm pretty sure most of the general stupidity I see in relation to DeCSS, then DCMA, and so on are correct.
[12:05:53] <Fingolfin> bbarb
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[12:06:01] <sbx> the DCMA in itself is flawed
[12:06:37] <sbx> If the courts rule based on what it says, it doesn't mean their decisions are senseless. They are just upholding a senseless law. :-)
[12:08:43] <Darke> sbx: Depends. If the law itself is contractitory in may places, as the DCMA is, it's possible to be in violation of one part of it, by upholding another part of it, which is rather senseless. <grin> And besides, IMHO, it's still a senseless act holding up a senseless law anyway. <grin>
[12:10:54] <Darke> For those .auians who might appreciate the irony, I saw this poster: http://www.despair.com/ap24x30prin.html on someone's door at Telstra when I was working there. <grin> It does, sort of, explain their current customer service, or lack thereof.
[12:10:59] <sbx> The courts don't have the authority to legislate. If a law is on the books they have to follow it.
[12:11:55] <sbx> Darke: Maybe I should buy a Megalomaniacal Maxim notecard. :)
[12:12:27] <V0|D> Darke: heehe
[12:13:09] <Darke> sbx: Yes, but isn't the whole point of the Judge/jury to be final arbiter of it and for them to make a 'sensable' decision, no matter what the law is? If this wasn't the case, you wouldn't need them, just administer the law by computer. <grin>
[12:14:26] <sbx> We didn't have computers when these concepts were formed. :-)
[12:14:28] <Darke> sbx: (Maxim notecards) They look rather nifty. <grin>
[12:15:34] <sbx> All of them appear to be Perfect for Disaffected college students.
[12:16:57] <Darke> sbx: (laws) Urk. _Please_ don't tell me that I was incorrect in assuming that the Judges and juries actually had some say in the way the laws were executed. I'm not all that sure I could lack any more faith in the .us justice system. <droopear>
[12:17:17] <Darke> (dispair) <nod> Read the FAQ. <grin>
[12:20:33] <sbx> Yeah, Judges rule based on their own and their community's opinion of fairness and justice, as far as a statute's interpretation will allow... but do most people know enough about computers and the DCMA to have an opinion? If they aren't sure about it themselves, they will go by the letter of the law.
[12:27:20] <sbx> What happened to DespairWear?
[12:27:20] <sbx> We have temporarily suspended sales of our clothing products while we construct a sweatshop in an industrialized nation. But don't worry- DespairWear 2.0 is coming soon and it's going to be better and more expensive than ever!
[12:27:22] * Darke figured he'd actually rely on a court appointed technical advisor but, <shrug> fair enough.
[12:27:40] <Darke> No idea. I didn't even know that sold DespairWear. <grin>
[12:28:22] <sbx> Heh, I don't know how the court works don't ask me. I just know the statue has a blindfold. :-)
[12:28:29] <sbx> but
[12:28:52] <sbx> I read somewhere that an Australian lawmaker wanted to ban swearing on the internet.
[12:29:13] <sbx> They wanted to somehow have the government control internet traffic.
[12:29:41] <sbx> I read it on Slashdot and people were saying "they will ban the linux source from entering au because it has bad words in it!"
[12:29:46] <sbx> hehe
[12:30:17] <V0|D> imagine how you would enforce that
[12:30:27] <Darke> Yes, the Tazmanian loonie. <grin> And New South Wales is apparently trying to make sure all internet sites in the state are suitable for children 13 and under. All completely uninforceable.
[12:30:57] <V0|D> install a filter in routers that are connected to international lines
[12:30:58] <V0|D> heh
[12:32:16] <V0|D> filter out the packets individually
[12:32:32] <Darke> An equilivant of the great firewall of china, I expect. But of course, the government won't fund it, it'd expect the private companies to do so. And then you have ssh...
[12:33:18] <V0|D> true, you'd get your mates overseas to encrypt the linux source ;)
[12:34:20] * sbx laughs and exclaims he will tunnel through the measly firewall.
[12:34:35] <V0|D> heh
[12:35:35] <V0|D> but they could also outlaw encryption...and hello 1984 ;)
[12:37:14] <Darke> Well apparently the DMCA says that rot13 is encryption, so if you outlaw encryption, you're not even going to be able to sell kiddy 'be a spy' books anymore. <grin>
[12:38:06] <V0|D> small price to pay to protect our kids from naughty words...
[12:38:25] <sbx> indeex
[12:38:29] <sbx> ?
[12:38:31] <sbx> indeed
[12:38:37] <V0|D> hehe
[12:38:52] * Darke just wishes the government would leave the parenting to the parents and stop bugging the rest of us with it's stupidities. <sigh>
[12:38:58] <sbx> the government must be trying to scramble my speech
[12:39:08] <V0|D> lol
[12:43:57] <sbx> Darke: how did you like my phat beats?
[12:45:51] <Darke> sbx: They're phat and they're... beats. Umm...
[12:48:32] <sbx> good?
[12:52:50] <Darke> Yeah, something like that. <grin>
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[13:00:44] <sbx> Why must there be several different mp3 files with the exact same file name, but all with different file sizes?
[13:01:09] <V0|D> and sometimes different songs because ppl dont know what the song is called so the guess
[13:01:13] <sbx> I have no idea if the smaller ones are incomplete, or the larger ones are encoded differently.
[13:01:23] <sbx> heh
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[13:01:32] <Colourless> easy solution: buy the music
[13:01:36] <sbx> this file size problem is worse than the file naming problem :)
[13:01:48] <sbx> how is that easy? I have to get up
[13:01:57] * sbx would rather stay seated.
[13:02:32] <Colourless> duh, you can buy things over the internet
[13:02:40] <sbx> wb Fingolfin
[13:02:46] <sbx> someone has to answer the door
[13:02:49] <Fingolfin> thx#
[13:02:51] <sbx> when the UPS man comes
[13:03:18] <V0|D> Fingolfin: it still doesnt work :`(
[13:03:39] <Colourless> well, fine, be a pirate, who has issues downloading songs on his modem, see if I care
[13:04:10] <Fingolfin> V0|D: libtool?
[13:04:10] <sbx> For the record, I legally own all the music I am downloading over the internet. I only spend time downloading copies to amuse myself.
[13:04:29] <Colourless> i see. so why don't you compress them yourself?
[13:04:52] <Colourless> you know, compressing yourself should be quite a bit faster
[13:05:00] <sbx> That is less amusing than pulling out my hair and screaming over the fact that I have issues downloading songs on my modem.
[13:05:16] <Colourless> well, quit complaining
[13:05:22] <V0|D> Fingolfin: yeh, ive tried 'fink install libtool' and 'apt-get --reinstall install libtool' but now autogen.sh complains that libtoolize cant be found
[13:05:51] <sbx> Colourless: I can't! I'm a disaffected college student!
[13:06:01] * sbx sends a formal complaint to Colourless.
[13:06:23] <Fingolfin> V0|D: so when you do "ll /sw/bin/libtoolize", what do you get?
[13:06:44] <V0|D> ls: /sw/bin/libtoolize: No such file or directory
[13:06:57] <Colourless> don't complain to me. i couldn't care less :-)
[13:07:04] <sbx> hmm
[13:07:04] <sbx> What is ll?
[13:07:13] <Fingolfin> V0|D: tell me the output of: fink list | grep "(i)"
[13:07:27] <V0|D> sbx: its an alias i think....for ls -l maybe?
[13:07:32] <sbx> oh
[13:07:52] <Fingolfin> in fact it is an alias for ls -lag !* | more
[13:07:58] <V0|D> Fingolfin : nothing! no output
[13:08:04] <Colourless> you know, i'm 'glad' i use windows. don't have to bother with all that configure crp
[13:08:08] <Colourless> s/crp/crap
[13:08:20] <Fingolfin> V0|D: ok, then tell the result of: fink list | grep libtool
[13:08:39] <V0|D> i libtool 1.3.5-8 Shared library build helper
[13:08:40] <sbx> Colourless: You just take your anger from having no colour out on the rest of us. :-)
[13:09:01] <Colourless> being colourless, is being more than without colour
[13:09:18] <V0|D> Colourless : it used to work...but then i had to be tricky and fsck it all up
[13:09:44] <Fingolfin> V0|D: garg! I see the problem now, sorry
[13:10:09] <V0|D> heh
[13:10:52] <Fingolfin> V0|D: I completly forgot :-) you see, the thing is, the fink version of libtoolize is called "glibtoolize", to avoid conflicts with the standard apple command with the same name. Two possible workardounds for you: 1) edit autogen.sh to use glibtoolize or b) make a symlink from /sw/bin/glibtoolize to /sw/bin/libtoolize
[13:11:00] <Fingolfin> i'd recommend 1)
[13:11:22] <V0|D> ahhh...i did notice something called glibtoolize
[13:11:46] <V0|D> ok, ill edit autogen.sh...
[13:11:46] * sbx sprinkles some orange paint on Colourless and quickly stuffs a wet paintbrush in Darke's paw.
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[13:13:24] <V0|D> Fingolfin : whats the disadvantage in using a symbolic link?
[13:13:29] <sbx> :\
[13:13:45] * sbx takes his phat beats away from Darke, "your no use to me anymore".
[13:15:57] <Fingolfin> V0|D: the symlink works fine for me. but just keep in mind that it may or may not cause unforeseen problems
[13:16:09] <V0|D> cheers Fingolfin! :) ./configure worked!
[13:16:42] <V0|D> do i 'make install' after compiling to get an executable?
[13:18:48] <sbx> you get an executable before 'make install'
[13:19:10] <V0|D> i mean a double click-able app
[13:23:10] <Fingolfin> no no
[13:23:33] <Fingolfin> make Exult_app
[13:23:44] <V0|D> ahhh thats right...thanks again
[13:26:28] <V0|D> :)
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[13:48:39] <Colourless> fingolfin, did you say once before that there was a function in exult to do a case insensitive string compare?
[13:49:20] <V0|D> Fingolfin: do you have problems with the options window during gameplay having tranparent background?
[13:49:27] <V0|D> ohh, popular tonight!
[13:50:11] <Fingolfin> Colourless: I am not aware of such a function, but you could of course use our to_uppercase() methods on both strings and compare the results
[13:50:22] <Colourless> yeah
[13:50:27] <Fingolfin> V0|D: no, but I haven't yet looked at current CVS, so who knows...
[13:50:37] <Colourless> that should be 'ok' i guess
[13:51:39] <V0|D> k, the 0.96beta on OS9 has been fine for me, its just the OSX build that has transparent option windows. the buttons are visible tho
[13:52:29] <V0|D> anyways, goodnight all. and thanks again Fingolfin :)
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[13:55:04] <sbx> good morning
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[13:55:16] <Darke> Me three. <grin> Night!
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[13:57:08] <Fingolfin> he
[13:57:15] <Fingolfin> Colourless: now, how late is it over there? =)
[14:08:10] <Colourless> it's 00:38 right now
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[18:31:00] <Dominik> hi
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[18:32:37] <Fingolfin> yo Dominik
[18:33:30] <Dominik> long time no see :-)
[18:33:51] <Fingolfin> right
[18:34:24] <Dominik> it has all grown a bit quiet in here lately
[18:37:37] <Fingolfin> yeah...
[18:38:27] <Fingolfin> I for my part was first learning for exams; then one week busy at work; then I was co-"managing" a computer science project, being a tutor; and now I am coding a bit, and also learning for a Vordiplom
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[18:38:31] <wjp> hi
[18:38:33] <Fingolfin> yo willem!
[18:38:53] <Dominik> hi willem
[18:38:57] <wjp> (There's several MacOS messages on the forum, btw. Not sure if you've seen them already)
[18:39:41] <wjp> looks like you did :-)
[18:40:04] <Dominik> wjp: did you finish the 4th otherland book?
[18:40:10] * wjp nods
[18:40:34] <Dominik> did you like the ride? :-)
[18:40:39] <wjp> aye :-)
[18:41:14] * Fingolfin started the 3rd yesterday. no reading for the last few weeks for me, so i had to finish the 2nd during the last couple o'days =)
[18:41:27] <Dominik> the last couple of books I read were the "prelude to Dune" books from James Herberts son. Quite good if you like Dune books
[18:41:48] * wjp read all the dune books in a week or so 7 years ago. (Was in hospital at the time)
[18:41:58] <wjp> can't really remember anything from them, though
[18:42:03] <Fingolfin> Prelude to Dune ? Is that related to those "House Atreides" and "House Harkonnen" books?
[18:42:04] <Dominik> he he
[18:42:19] <Dominik> Fingolfin: exactly those and also House Corinno
[18:42:22] * Fingolfin read Dune 1 several times, and the others about two times each. Dune is one of the best books ever, IMHO
[18:42:32] <Fingolfin> ahh, there is no House Corinno?
[18:42:42] * Fingolfin goes add another book to his next order =)
[18:42:51] <Dominik> he he
[18:43:13] <Fingolfin> Kevin J Anderson is the other author of those, right?
[18:43:15] <Dominik> Yeah, I got hooked up to the Dune books a couple of years ago
[18:43:20] <Dominik> right
[18:43:56] <Fingolfin> EUR 40 -> are they *nuts* ???
[18:44:06] <Dominik> I was thoroughly disappointed in the latest try to put the words onto film
[18:44:16] * wjp looks at email with attached savegame... winmail.dat?!
[18:44:29] <Dominik> it's a paperback (I had my mum buy it for me on Hawaii)
[18:44:56] <Dominik> wjp: that's a strange encoding by OE or AOL
[18:45:13] <wjp> [wjp@aldur /tmp]$ file winmail.dat
[18:45:13] <wjp> winmail.dat: Transport Neutral Encapsulation Format
[18:45:14] <Fingolfin> Dominik: the latest film? you mean that 4 part thingy? I think it was not bad, it was covering a lot of stuff in much more detail than the old movie; it wasn't that bad IMHO, though not very good either. I wish they had that money for the old movie ;-)
[18:45:30] <wjp> Dominik: ah... so, how do I do something with it? :-)
[18:45:40] <Dominik> hmm, maybe send it over to me
[18:46:02] <Dominik> Fingolfin: yeah, I meant that 4 part thing, I gave up on it on the second part
[18:46:25] <Dominik> I liked the feel of the old movie a lot better
[18:46:42] <Dominik> a blond Duke Leto just doesn't feel right
[18:46:45] <Dominik> :-)
[18:46:51] * wjp finds linux unpacker for that thing
[18:48:37] <wjp> ('tnef' in the unlikely case anybody is interested)
[18:49:18] <Dominik> Last two days I tried to enable dual monitor on XP but finally gave up and restored my OS backup as the whole thing always diesd with a strange sound everytime I tried to use it...
[18:51:51] <wjp> hm, that sounds bad
[18:52:47] <Dominik> yeah some kind of irq conflict I guess, but then I only wanted it to look at movies on my TV while working on my PC (that is those movies that regularly fall of a certain truck)
[18:53:06] <wjp> yeah, I know the one... it passes by my house regularly too :-)
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[18:53:33] <Dominik> Fingolfin knows it as well :-)
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[18:54:26] <Fingolfin> yeah, that truck really needs some repair =)
[18:54:28] <wjp> it dropped the whole n.g. evangelion series last week... pretty strange :-)
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[18:56:57] <Dominus> hmm
[18:57:18] <Dominus> is the savegame working (I assume it is the one mentioned recently on the forum)
[18:57:34] <wjp> dunno, need to compile exult first
[18:57:40] * wjp checks on compile
[18:57:44] <wjp> parse error... woohoo :-)
[18:58:23] <wjp> tsk tsk...
[18:58:25] <wjp> bad Colourless
[18:58:48] <wjp> just because your PCH includes <string> doesn't mean you don't have to include it :-)
[18:59:42] <wjp> hm, to_uppercase...
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[20:26:18] <wjp> hm, that broken-serpent-scroll savegame has a quality 0 scroll, that's strange
[20:26:39] <wjp> it might be that the quality didn't get set on the scroll
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[22:52:52] <wjp> hm, it's about time for bed I guess
[22:52:55] <wjp> g'night
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