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[22:24:36] <Serel> Is the amount of training I should use Sentri for an appropriate question for this channel?
[22:29:15] <sh4rm4> ?
[22:35:08] <Dominus> if you want to use sentri then train him...
[22:35:51] <Serel> I meant that he IS a trainer... I haven't finished any Ultima games, so I wouldn't know the strategies
[22:36:36] <Dominus> if he trains then use his training...
[22:37:04] <Dominus> really it seems you are making it more complicated than it is...
[22:37:40] <Serel> I turn into a paranoid perfectionist when I play an RPG uncontrollably...
[22:40:44] <Dominus> I never bothered much after my first combat
[22:41:25] <Serel> I just decided that training would be a fine idea after being completely slaughtered in the Test of Courage
[22:41:29] <Dominus> since it was clear that combat in u7 is annoying I just cheated my players to their glory and thus never needed to worry much about fights anymore
[22:42:02] <Dominus> I did this the first time I played u7 decaders ago :)
[22:42:07] <sh4rm4> if you want perfect train, you have to get the list about all trainers, and how their train affects you
[22:42:29] <sh4rm4> the critical point is how much training points they take, and how many skill points you receive
[22:42:35] <Serel> Hmm.
[22:43:10] <sh4rm4> i wouldn't recommend cheating tho
[22:43:23] <sh4rm4> it takes a key element out of the game
[22:43:32] <Dominus> what key elements?
[22:43:39] <sh4rm4> like leveling up
[22:43:49] <Dominus> is that a key element?
[22:44:02] <sh4rm4> sure, it makes much of the fun of the game
[22:44:14] <sh4rm4> some games are *entirely* about that
[22:44:18] <Dominus> the story does not benefit and you will still level up through fights
[22:44:34] <Dominus> yes, some games are, but U7 is not at all about levels
[22:44:48] <sh4rm4> it's like starting WoW or diablo with a level 60 char
[22:45:04] <Dominus> no it's not...
[22:45:10] <Dominus> U7 is about story
[22:45:28] <sh4rm4> when i first played it, i just clicked the story away
[22:45:38] <sh4rm4> and explored the world on my own ...
[22:46:02] <Dominus> yes exploring is nice too, but the fights with the horrible control are just a nuisance
[22:46:38] <Dominus> so please explain how the levels are a key element in u7 or in exploring the u7 world...
[22:47:12] <sh4rm4> well if you have strength MAX, you can kill your enemies with a dagger
[22:47:13] <Dominus> and keep in mind that you will still level up even if you never train
[22:47:24] <sh4rm4> if you don't, you will search for good weapons first
[22:47:38] <Dominus> yes but what about the key element leveling up?
[22:48:12] <Dominus> and what other key elements were you refering to?
[22:48:12] <sh4rm4> you'll have to plan your train
[22:48:17] <sh4rm4> to use your training points effectively
[22:48:32] <Dominus> doesn't affect your level
[22:48:55] <sh4rm4> i mean not the general level, but the specific skills
[22:50:10] <Dominus> I still don't see the key element then.
[22:51:11] <Dominus> but yeah if you enjoy useless combat where you just start the combat and then see what happened after everyone is dead... then you might want to keep an eye on those things
[22:51:17] <sh4rm4> getting a strong avatar is one of the key elements in the game
[22:51:37] <sh4rm4> even moreso enhancing the amount of stones you can carry
[22:51:44] <Dominus> (combat which is really not compareable to WoW or Diablo - you brought those up)
[22:53:00] <Dominus> yes, strong avatar is good too have but the way to this is not a key elelment but a means to lengthen the game time. Cheating it up is getting that key element right away...
[22:53:14] <sh4rm4> combat in diablo is "click click click - slash slash slash", in ultima it's "pause, choose a strategy, equip weapons, place avatar..."
[22:54:35] <Dominus> in diablo you don't chose your weapon and place the player?
[22:54:43] <sh4rm4> *shrug* anyway, i did such a cheat in pokemon (levelled all my pokemons to lvl 99, all skills to 255)
[22:54:47] <Dominus> come on...
[22:54:53] <sh4rm4> i beat the rest of the game in a few hours, and the fun was gone
[22:55:30] <sh4rm4> in diablo, you equip the best weapon and run around slashing everything with it
[22:55:41] * Dominus sighs... WoW, Diablo, Pokemon - what's next? Wing Commander?
[22:55:54] <sh4rm4> except in very difficult situations, where you probably gonna pull out some scroll
[22:56:23] <Dominus> fighting in U7 is even worse click click slash slash
[22:56:36] <Dominus> except you get shot in the back by your companions...
[22:56:54] <Serel> all my skill in fighting comes down to "Press C -> Hope for best"
[22:56:56] <sh4rm4> lol
[22:57:31] <sh4rm4> you should at least check that arrows are available for your archers
[22:57:44] <sh4rm4> otherwise they'll use their bow as a hammer....
[22:58:03] * Dominus wonders why he even bothers - sure I set the ignore function before...
[22:58:13] <sh4rm4> or use worn off wands
[22:58:45] <Serel> "You begin bashing monsters with your bow! <Next>" Oh wait, wrong game...
[23:03:39] <Eviltar_> hey whats wrong with wing commander
[23:10:20] <sh4rm4> i was asking myself a similar question
[23:13:39] <Eviltar_> you want soem exciting combat, try ultima 3 4 and 5
[23:14:11] <Eviltar_> 6 was great for having your party shoot you in the back
[23:15:14] <Eviltar_> but probably my favorite
[23:15:53] <Eviltar_> if you beat 4 you deserve a medal, all those virtues are a pan to master
[23:15:56] <Eviltar_> pain*