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[01:21:25] <Topper23> got a question for anybody that knows............ in the cheat mode, it says that the "Create Object" cheat is not implemented yet.... I have v1.0........ is there any other way to create objects, or is there a new version out?
[01:24:06] <sbx> you can create objects with the shape browser
[01:24:16] <sbx> Ctrl-B i think
[01:24:30] <sbx> then arrows and pgup, pgdown to scroll, esc to exit
[01:24:34] <Topper23> the shape browser.... yeah....
[01:24:35] <Topper23> thanx
[01:24:36] <sbx> Ins creates the selected item
[01:24:37] <Topper23> but
[01:24:55] <Topper23> is the "old" genuine cheat mode of U&:BG available in Exult ?
[01:25:02] <Topper23> U7:BG
[01:25:11] <sbx> the cheat screen that is there now is the closest to it
[01:25:37] <Topper23> oh I see.... so if I really want the old one back, I'll have to undust the ol' 486 ? :)
[01:26:44] <Topper23> well, thanx for your input sbx!
[01:26:53] <Topper23> I'll go try right away
[01:26:58] <sbx> seems that way, or install msdos on a newer pc
[01:26:59] <sbx> np
[01:27:01] <Topper23> bye!
[01:27:12] <sbx> bye
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[07:26:11] <wjp> hi
[07:26:16] <DarkeZzz> Hi.
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[08:15:28] <`daniel> hello :)
[08:18:32] <Yuv422> hi
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[08:29:20] <Quester> hi all
[08:29:32] <wjp|work> hi
[08:30:19] <Quester> wjp i need you :)
[08:30:28] <Quester> I you very busy?
[08:31:01] <wjp|work> I'm semi-busy
[08:31:20] <wjp|work> feel free to ask a question, though :-)
[08:32:43] <Quester> [16:33] <Quester> as you know, I was compile exult with unsigned char default
[08:32:44] <Quester> [16:33] <Quester> it ok, but SI dont want to work
[08:32:50] <wjp|work> yes, you don't want that
[08:33:05] <Quester> I cant convert chars in font functions
[08:33:12] <wjp|work> why not?
[08:33:25] <Quester> couse strings like "asdasdsdad" not unsigned in ANSI
[08:34:15] <Quester> and its not converting with (unsigned char)variable
[08:35:06] <wjp|work> my idea was something like:
[08:35:16] <wjp|work> Shape_frame *shape = font_shapes->get_frame((unsigned char)chr);
[08:35:23] <wjp|work> (in several places)
[08:35:52] <Quester> hm... maybe....
[08:36:03] <wjp|work> didn't test it, though
[08:36:21] <Quester> but if I want write in russian some stirngs, like chr="russian"?
[08:36:59] <wjp|work> I think that should work
[08:37:00] <Quester> I try do: unsigned char *chr = "russian" but it not work
[08:37:27] <wjp|work> it at least needs a 'const'
[08:37:42] <wjp|work> and it should probably just be a 'const char*' at this point
[08:37:47] <Quester> I was try with const
[08:38:01] <wjp|work> (I would only cast things to unsigned char at the point where you're looking up the actual font shape)
[08:38:04] <Quester> yes, but const unsigned char* dont work
[08:40:15] <wjp|work> if you cast a signed char to an unsigned char in the font drawing functions, you can keep all chars in the rest of exult signed
[08:40:20] <DarkeZzz> It needs two consts doesn't it? Something like, `const unsigned char * const foo = "fnord";`
[08:40:36] <wjp|work> well, it doesn't really need the second const
[08:40:44] <wjp|work> although it won't hurt
[08:41:23] <DarkeZzz> gcc gripes at you, at least with the warnings on anyway, if you don't have to two consts located in the appropriate place. *grin* Could be talking in my sleep though.
[08:41:50] <SB-X> sleep
[08:41:59] * DarkeZzz snooozes.
[08:42:02] <SB-X> some of that sounds nice right about now
[08:42:22] * SB-X gets to it.
[08:42:24] <SB-X> cya
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[08:42:35] <DarkeZzz> Bye!
[08:42:56] * DarkeZzz is concentrating more on food then sleep or code at the moment though. *grin* Hungry bunny.
[08:43:45] <DarkeZzz> Oh yes, and kernel compiling. I discovered that if you compile a kernel saying your processor type is an athlon, on a p2, it doesn't work. Surprising, no?
[08:44:00] <wjp|work> ah, I had that happen with an athlon and a P1 :-)
[08:44:18] <wjp|work> was quite shocked when my firewall locked up on boot :-)
[08:46:06] <DarkeZzz> It looks really sad when it happens too, and there's really no explanation either. It just says that it's unzipping the kernel and then... nothing. *grin*
[08:47:12] * wjp|work nods; sounds familiar :-)
[08:50:03] <Yuv422> you guys always have a backup kernel lilo'd up... right!? ;)
[08:55:02] <DarkeZzz> grub'ed up in this case, but sure, on a working machine. I compile my kernel from scratch on brand new machines, so I've got nothing but a boot cd to fall back against, which means I just have to boot from it again, chroot and recompile with the correct options. *Grin*
[08:57:05] <Yuv422> I remember I once compiled the kernel without the video console. :)
[08:58:32] * DarkeZzz has thankfully never done anything so bizzare. *grin*
[09:00:09] <Yuv422> time for me to go.
[09:00:11] <Yuv422> cya
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[09:03:08] <`daniel> www.idsoftware.com has been down for a couple of days now
[09:03:57] <`daniel> weird
[09:38:44] <DarkeZzz> Veird.
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[10:15:26] * DarkeZzz giggles at the latest Gentoo newsletter. Looks like they had the same problem with their April Fool's joke as we had. *grin*
[10:26:39] <`daniel> hehe
[10:26:44] <`daniel> that april fools joke really had me
[10:26:59] <`daniel> but I luaghed with it
[10:27:08] <`daniel> did ppl abuse you or something for writing that joke?
[10:31:23] <DarkeZzz> We got a couple of confused, and I think one nasty email at the time. People weren't impressed that they thought we'd gone over to the dark side. *grin*
[10:31:46] <`daniel> lol
[10:32:01] <`daniel> I was pretty pissed off until I saw the message the next day
[10:34:15] * DarkeZzz admits he didn't really have a paw in the planning of it. He just woke up to it and had to try and keep a straight face whilst saying the party line. It was both amusing and disappointing in a way, no big cheques from EA arrived. *grin*
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[12:08:01] <Colourless> hi
[12:15:15] <DarkeZzz> Hi.
[12:22:09] <wjp|work> hi Ryan
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[13:36:37] <wjp|work> hi
[13:37:15] <Fingolfin> hi
[13:37:17] <Fingolfin> work ???
[13:37:28] <wjp|work> yes, shocking, isn't it? :-)
[13:37:32] <Colourless> hi
[13:37:45] <wjp|work> at the moment work seems to mean "talk about pentagram" ;-)
[13:38:27] <Fingolfin> oh, that sounds stressing
[13:38:35] <Fingolfin> you should take regular breaks then
[13:39:10] <wjp|work> yeah, I occasionally take a break by doing some actual work. (The kind of work that I'm actually getting paid for)
[13:40:10] <Fingolfin> you are being paid for working on pentagram? :-)
[13:41:35] <wjp|work> well... no... :-)
[13:42:15] * wjp|work is being paid for user support
[13:55:56] <Fingolfin> ahh
[13:56:00] <Fingolfin> pentagram users? :-)
[13:56:21] <wjp|work> :-)
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[20:48:30] <wjp> yay! I just ran my first usecode + intrinsic on an actual object in pentagram :-)
[20:50:28] <Eclair> :)
[20:55:24] <sbx> way to go wjp
[20:55:31] <sbx> what was the object and intrinsic?
[20:55:41] <wjp> a Wooden Throne
[20:55:47] <sbx> is it from the world or a test you made up?
[20:55:49] <wjp> the usecode function was the 'onClick' event belonging to it
[20:55:49] <sbx> ah
[20:56:03] <wjp> it was from the 'real' U8 world
[20:56:10] <sbx> what is the intrinsic?
[20:56:14] <wjp> (not that anything was actually displayed on screen yet, though)
[20:56:18] <wjp> Item::bark
[20:56:21] <wjp> (i.e., print string)
[20:56:23] <sbx> heh
[20:56:40] <sbx> what does it print? "Wooden Throne"?
[20:56:51] <wjp> yup :-)
[20:57:00] <sbx> :-)
[20:57:25] <wjp> (luckily :-) )
[20:59:24] <wjp> hm, I wonder if I can find an item description that depends on the item's frame
[21:05:13] <wjp> works too :-)
[21:05:23] <wjp> (i.e., it correctly identifies Blackwine as Blackwine :-) )
[21:09:15] * wjp has pentagram identify all 150+ bottles in the game simultaneously *eg*
[21:19:43] <Soul|LOVE> ahhhh
[21:19:45] <Soul|LOVE> hello wjp
[21:19:47] <Soul|LOVE> long time no see
[21:19:52] <wjp> hi
[21:19:55] <wjp> indeed
[21:20:07] <wjp> how have you been?
[21:20:15] <Soul|LOVE> pretty good
[21:20:19] <Soul|LOVE> college going well
[21:20:22] <Soul|LOVE> female interaction going well
[21:20:23] <Soul|LOVE> etc
[21:20:29] <wjp> :-)
[21:22:08] <Fingolfin> "female interaction going well".... now, that's an interseting statement 8-) and leaves a lot of space for speculation, of course...
[21:22:13] <Soul|LOVE> heh
[21:22:14] <Soul|LOVE> well
[21:22:18] <Soul|LOVE> for a while i was quite upset
[21:22:25] <Soul|LOVE> but i met this absolute doll
[21:22:29] <Fingolfin> does it mean your mother and you get a long well? or you are able to interact with your female teacher? <g>
[21:22:43] <Soul|LOVE> her and I have been inseperable for months and months now
[21:23:04] <Fingolfin> siamese twins? :-)
[21:23:10] <Soul|LOVE> ha
[21:23:18] <wjp> Fingolfin: nah, that would've been "years and years"
[21:23:37] <Fingolfin> well these days the kids start going on IRC early =)
[21:23:48] <wjp> hm, good point
[21:23:56] <Soul|LOVE> she is totally adorable
[21:24:01] <Soul|LOVE> and best of all
[21:24:06] <Soul|LOVE> a geek like me
[21:24:22] <wjp> lucky guy :-) *sigh*
[21:24:24] <Fingolfin> uhhh a geek-geek relation ship!
[21:24:28] <Soul|LOVE> ha
[21:24:33] <Fingolfin> so who is responsible for cleaning the dishes? <g>
[21:24:33] <wjp> does she have a sister? :-)
[21:24:41] <Soul|LOVE> http://heald.soulnet.tk/photos/chelsea.jpg <--- that's her
[21:24:43] <Fingolfin> or two maybe? <eg>
[21:26:01] <Soul|LOVE> i introduced my school to exult as well
[21:26:10] <Soul|LOVE> i got about... 6 people... addicted to u7 now
[21:26:32] * Fingolfin envisions a speech giveng by Soul|LOVE in front of the assembled school
[21:26:33] <wjp> Fingolfin: they're not siamese twins; (assuming the picture is real)
[21:26:36] <wjp> ;-)
[21:26:38] <wjp> Soul|LOVE: great :-)
[21:26:54] <Fingolfin> wjp: ah, I only say: Photoshop :-)
[21:27:15] <wjp> Fingolfin: hm, the right edge does look somewhat suspicious
[21:27:35] <Soul|LOVE> ha
[21:27:37] <Soul|LOVE> i did crop the image
[21:27:45] <Fingolfin> ahh ha!
[21:27:47] <wjp> a ha! he admits it!
[21:27:48] <Fingolfin> to hide what, hm??
[21:27:49] <Soul|LOVE> http://heald.soulnet.tk/photos/justin.jpg <-- there's me
[21:27:50] <wjp> ;-P
[21:28:22] <Fingolfin> how convenient! from that perspective we can't see if it's siamese twins or not
[21:28:26] <wjp> suspicious angle too...
[21:28:27] <Soul|LOVE> ha
[21:28:31] <Soul|LOVE> i guess i can't convince you
[21:28:39] <wjp> ;-)
[21:28:40] <Soul|LOVE> either way
[21:28:42] <Soul|LOVE> if that was so
[21:28:45] <Soul|LOVE> i'd never be late for a date
[21:29:57] <wjp> :-)
[21:30:03] <wjp> that's one way of looking at it :-)
[21:30:04] <Fingolfin> you'd not have any dates with a simese twin. She'd be your sister!
[21:30:10] <Soul|LOVE> hey man
[21:30:12] <Fingolfin> although...
[21:30:14] <Soul|LOVE> if i move far enough south
[21:30:16] <Soul|LOVE> thats a o k
[21:30:17] <Fingolfin> I guess you could double date... :-)
[21:30:55] <wjp> hm, south as in south of the US?
[21:31:01] <Soul|LOVE> southern u.s.
[21:31:03] <Soul|LOVE> alabama
[21:31:05] <Soul|LOVE> arkansas
[21:31:07] <Soul|LOVE> hell
[21:31:09] <Soul|LOVE> even eastern oregon
[21:31:17] <Fingolfin> ah, that's where hell is!
[21:31:24] <Soul|LOVE> yes
[21:31:26] <Fingolfin> between arkansas and oregon
[21:32:01] <DarkeAFK> Isn't Hell in Texas? Or am I misremembering?
[21:32:10] <Soul|LOVE> hell is a city in texas
[21:32:18] <Soul|LOVE> although i hear a lot of christians live there
[21:32:20] <wjp> DarkeAFK: good morning :-) (I hope?)
[21:32:25] <Soul|LOVE> heeeyy
[21:32:27] <Soul|LOVE> its darke
[21:32:46] <DarkeAFK> Fingolfin: Need to go a little more south I believe, but you were close! *grin*
[21:33:14] <DarkeAFK> Soul|LOVE: Yep. It is, however, now darke-going-to-work, so I must say 'goodbye'. *grin* Bye all!
[21:33:20] <sbx> Soul|LOVE: your still on my ICQ list :P
[21:33:21] <Soul|LOVE> ta ta
[21:33:25] <Soul|LOVE> heh
[21:33:33] <Fingolfin> well there is an aweful lot of states between arkansas and oregon, of course =)
[21:33:34] <wjp> DarkeAFK: bye :-)
[21:33:49] <Fingolfin> bye DarkeAFK
[21:34:17] <wjp> Oregon... hmmm.. wasn't that somewhere east of CA?
[21:34:49] <wjp> (of course, most of the US would be east of CA, but I kind of meant directly east of CA ;-) )
[21:35:23] <Soul|LOVE> oregon is north of CA
[21:35:26] <sbx> if east is the same as north then yes
[21:35:27] <Soul|LOVE> directly north
[21:35:29] <Soul|LOVE> neighboring state
[21:35:43] * wjp looks up map
[21:35:53] <Fingolfin> hehe
[21:36:00] <Soul|LOVE> washington, oregon, and california, make up the pacific northwest coastal states
[21:36:03] <Soul|LOVE> er
[21:36:05] <Soul|LOVE> pacific west
[21:36:06] <wjp> sbx: I generally prefer my north different from east :-)
[21:36:12] * sbx agrees.
[21:36:26] <Fingolfin> it kind of helps when navigating, yes
[21:36:58] <wjp> there are some exceptions, most of which involve heavy headwinds
[21:37:52] <Soul|LOVE> and copious amounts of hallucinogens?
[21:38:02] * wjp wonders when he last looked at a state-map of the US
[21:39:08] <Soul|LOVE> LOL
[21:39:13] <Soul|LOVE> Author: Samatar (---.qld.bigpond.net.au)
[21:39:13] <Soul|LOVE> Date: 04-06-03 18:50
[21:39:13] <Soul|LOVE> I have also noticed an oversensitivity to stealing. Yesterday I killed Pomdirgun and when I started taking things from his room, the other goblins called the town guard... and they actually showed up. I don't think that's supposed to happen...
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[21:39:16] <Soul|LOVE> hahahaha
[21:39:21] <Soul|LOVE> that is hilarious
[21:39:24] <Soul|LOVE> goblins calling guards
[21:39:31] <wjp> and the guards showing up :-)
[21:39:45] <Dominus> hey ho
[21:39:53] <wjp> hi Dominus
[21:39:55] <Soul|LOVE> a goblin warrior is standing across the room from you, holding a human head, wielding a spear, blindly charging you to kill you
[21:40:00] <Soul|LOVE> when you take his bread, however
[21:40:01] <Soul|LOVE> its ON
[21:40:06] <Soul|LOVE> and here come the pikemen
[21:40:40] <Fingolfin> lol, goblin town guards, neat
[21:40:51] <Soul|LOVE> i used to mess with schedules a lot
[21:40:56] <Soul|LOVE> i converted the house of the dead into a workshop
[21:41:20] <Soul|LOVE> dupre was a smith, shamino a tailor, iolo a baker, gwenno an alchemist, boydon was a cook, julia the ranger dueled with some other guy
[21:41:29] <Soul|LOVE> and i had a goblin slave that tended to the beds and whatnot
[21:42:07] <Soul|LOVE> it worked beautifully for a while
[21:42:11] <Soul|LOVE> but eventually the game started crashing
[21:42:16] <Soul|LOVE> and eventually i couldn't even load my saves
[21:42:23] <Soul|LOVE> guess it didn't like me using the house of the dead
[21:49:45] * Dominus wonders when that minime will show up here again...
[21:50:06] <wjp> uh oh :-)
[21:50:11] <sbx> lol
[21:50:23] * exultbot hides
[21:51:06] * Dominus also wonders if he should pester Soul|LOVE again how he ran that ultima game complete with sound without the use of vdms or something like that
[21:51:16] <Dominus> but that is soooo ages ago :-)
[21:52:08] <Dominus> I even forgot which game it was (UW or u8...)
[21:52:49] <Dominus> so wjp: when will we be able to do anything in pentagram?
[21:53:52] * wjp is too busy coding to answer that ;-)
[21:54:23] <Dominus> :-)
[21:54:37] <wjp> (actually, I'm not, but let's pretend I am, k? ;-) )
[21:54:38] <Dominus> don't let this small-talk disturb you :-)
[21:55:40] <wjp> anyway, schedule-wise... I think the basic item stuff is almost done
[21:55:46] <wjp> just needs some more work on loading globs
[21:56:01] <wjp> after that, we'll need to work a bit on actually displaying things
[21:56:39] <wjp> and adding some gump support in the meantime would be nice too
[21:57:00] <Dominus> he he
[21:57:10] <wjp> and we'll have to implement tons of intrinsics, of course
[22:05:22] <Dominus> got to go
[22:05:23] <Dominus> bye
[22:05:27] <wjp> bye
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[22:05:54] <wjp> Soul|LOVE: heh :-)
[22:06:01] <wjp> I don't think xchat supports that one ;-)
[22:06:34] <Fingolfin> no suppoert for it in Snak either
[22:07:55] <Dark-Star> mIrc doesn't know about it, too
[22:08:47] <Fingolfin> he does use mIRC 6.03
[22:09:09] <Fingolfin> yeah must be a new feature tehy added since 6.01
[22:09:44] <Soul|LOVE> nah
[22:09:46] <Soul|LOVE> i just ctcped that
[22:09:52] <Soul|LOVE> its my own special function
[22:09:57] <Soul|LOVE> supported in all lovers
[22:18:53] <Dark-Star> hehe... mIRC can be configured to reply to CTCP LOVE messages :-)
[22:19:26] <wjp> yeah, xchat too :-)
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[22:43:52] <wjp> I should go; g'night
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