#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 7 Mar 2002 (GMT)

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[10:08:26] <sb-x> hello
[10:08:42] <Kirben> Hi
[10:08:48] <sb-x> wow its... as empty in here as it was the first time i came :)
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[10:09:07] <Kirben> yep, quiet in channel lately.
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[11:02:59] <Colourless> hi
[11:04:38] <sb-x> hi
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[11:39:32] * Darke bows. "Hello."
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[11:39:55] <Colourless> hi
[11:42:14] <Darke> Hmm... I wonder what the 'useful' text to ('hi', joining, leaving, chanserv message) ratio has been lately. <grin> Almost 1:1 I'm guessing.
[11:43:17] <sb-x> 1:1 is a good day
[11:43:21] <Colourless> :-)
[11:43:23] <sb-x> probably 1:5
[11:43:41] <Colourless> is what we are talking about now considered 'useful' text?
[11:43:57] * Darke was thinking 'on average', rather then a day at a time, but yes, that sounds about right. <grin>
[11:44:02] <Darke> Colourless: Yes. <grin>
[11:44:20] <Colourless> no
[11:44:25] <Darke> Yes.
[11:44:26] <Colourless> i refuse to believe that
[11:44:39] * Darke cacklesevilly.
[11:44:46] <sb-x> its metadata
[11:45:02] <Darke> metatext? metauseful?
[11:45:20] <Colourless> it' not useful, it's rather pointless
[11:46:25] <Darke> Ok, I wonder what the (useful, pointless) text to ('hi', joining, leaving, chanserv message) text ratio has been lately.
[11:46:28] <Colourless> all it manages to do is decrease the signal to noise ration
[11:46:47] <Colourless> more noise and less signal
[11:47:27] <Darke> Hmm... depends. <grin> Define what 'signal' is in the context of this channel.
[11:48:08] <Colourless> one would assume that signal would be discussions relating in someway to exult
[11:48:14] <Colourless> this conversation is anything but that
[11:48:32] <sb-x> Exult. Exult? Exult! Exult: http://exult.sf.net
[11:49:32] <Darke> Depends, the discussion is in relation to the #exult channel, which is related to exult. Therefore this discussion is related to exult, although in a rather tenious way. <grin>
[11:49:34] <Colourless> hmmm. Good point. I would also consider that as example of noise
[11:49:48] <Colourless> comment 'twas meant for sb-x
[11:49:58] * Darke guessed that. <grin>
[11:50:21] <sb-x> ok uhm... Colourless I really like the ability to right click and close any gump :-)
[11:50:32] <Colourless> :-)
[11:51:49] <sb-x> Darke ucxt is a marvelous program
[11:52:11] <Colourless> too bad it has no documentation
[11:52:34] <Colourless> unless you 'know' it's command line arguements it's virtually useless
[11:54:55] <sb-x> Darke ucxt is marvelous and useless at the same time
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[12:00:18] <Fingolfin> hiya
[12:00:22] <sb-x> hiya
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[12:00:25] <Colourless> hi
[12:01:28] * Darke considers that very much describes almost all the programs he's written, especially the ones he's been paid to write. Even _when_ they've got documentation, no-one seems to read it anyway. <grin>
[12:01:52] <Darke> Hi.
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[12:39:14] <sb-x> There are 'other' things besides Exult?
[12:43:10] <Fingolfin> sb-x: nonsense, who told you such lies?
[12:43:27] <sb-x> an invisible dragon whispered it to me
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[14:38:01] <Dominus> hi
[14:45:34] <sb-x> hi
[14:47:32] <Dominus> everybody got kicked off, huh? (or they are talking in another manifestation of the channel) :-)
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[15:02:41] <sb-x> see you later
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[15:02:43] <Dominus> see you
[15:16:25] <Dominus> going as well (reboot)
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[18:51:35] <Dominus> hi
[19:01:15] <Fingolfin> <yo
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[19:04:31] <wjp> hi
[19:06:56] <Fingolfin> exultstudio building is evil
[19:07:11] <Fingolfin> I haven't enabled exult studio building, yet it fails to build, cause it can't #include glade/glade.h
[19:07:35] <Fingolfin> in fact, I *do* have glade installed, but since I didn't configure exult to build exultstudio, it's not using the appropriate CFLAGS
[19:07:43] <Fingolfin> but yet it still tries to compiled studio.c
[19:07:43] <Fingolfin> evil
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[19:51:28] <Dominus> hi again
[19:52:19] <Fingolfin|dinner> yo
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[20:10:48] * wjp found and fixed the scroll bug
[20:11:04] <Dominus> cool
[20:11:48] <Dominus> I checked a savegame with the rotuluncia scroll but that worked for me
[20:16:49] <wjp> a savegame from the person who reported the bug or one of your own?
[20:17:17] <Dominus> one of my own
[20:17:32] <wjp> this could be the same problem
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[20:25:01] <Dominus> he he
[20:26:33] <wjp> (I was indeed using an ancient .glade file, btw)
[20:26:57] <Dominus> yeah that messes things up
[20:27:18] <Dominus> :-)
[20:53:06] <Dominus> wjp: I just checked and the problem with Rotuluncias scrool was indeed the same one (if you had no one in the party to take the scroll)
[20:54:32] <wjp> ok, that's good
[20:55:55] <Dominus> and it works fine now with your latest updates
[20:58:10] <wjp> even better :-)
[20:58:37] <Dominus> I knew it was good to keep my very old savegames :-)
[20:59:15] * Dominus wonders why his webaccess is so sloooow right now
[21:03:18] <wjp> hm, yours too?
[21:03:40] <Dominus> my whole net access is slowed down a lot right now
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[21:33:09] <Dominus> this is ridiculous slow right now (I wonder why I'm still connected to irc)
[21:35:38] * wjp isn't getting any pings back from Dominus
[21:37:08] <wjp> --- Ping reply from Dominus : 193.01 second(s)
[21:37:27] <Dominus> he
[21:37:46] * wjp spoke too soon :-)
[21:38:38] <Dominus> I#m still here but just not on the net (very slow at least)
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[22:36:37] <Dominus> this sucks
[22:38:57] <Fingolfin> I just was made aware of the fact that my provider serves p0rn ads at www.t-dialin.net =)
[22:39:08] <Fingolfin> same for bj0ern then , he =)
[22:39:10] <wjp> heh :-)
[22:43:42] <Dominus> I would like to look but my connection is so slow...
[22:44:01] <Dominus> did I mention that my connection sucks tonight?
[22:44:19] * wjp thinks hard... yes, you did ;-)
[22:44:44] <Dominus> well, I'm currently working on the FAQ again...
[22:45:30] <Fingolfin> Dominus: btw, does your connection suck? =)
[22:45:35] <Dominus> highlights are Sparks paperdoll, and why you can't cast mark/recall on virtue stones
[22:45:52] <Dominus> Fingolfin: sniff
[22:45:58] <wjp> Fingolfin: that's mean :-)
[22:46:05] <Dominus> he he
[22:46:05] <Fingolfin> building now works cleanly - since I have libglade installed, and fixed my config.status accordingly. but it build exult-studio, even though I didn't enable it... hm
[22:46:15] <Fingolfin> Dominus: I feel with you of course
[22:47:11] <wjp> Dominus: in 1.5 (the 'pentagram' section) it isn't explicitly mentioned that it's a map viewer for U8
[22:47:26] <wjp> (U8 is only mentioned in relation to disassembling usecode)
[22:47:37] <Dominus> Fingolfin: can you look at the makefiles for the faq/docs that it renames the generated docs.html to ReadMe.html ?
[22:47:40] <wjp> Oh, and my name appears _way_ too often in that paragraph :-)
[22:47:50] <Dominus> wjp: thx, will change
[22:48:21] <Fingolfin> Dominus: will do
[22:51:03] <Dominus> Fingolfin: thanks, I'm changing some stuff in the xsl's (so I can link between the two files and it works for both the php and html version (docs.php#whatever opposed to readme.html#whatever))
[22:51:31] <Dominus> and that's why it is better to have it named correctly from the bginning
[22:52:42] <Fingolfin> hm, there is only a Makefile.win32 in docs/xml ?!?
[22:52:45] <Dominus> wjp: "Pentagram is a pet project by some members of the team"
[22:56:36] * wjp nods, better :-)
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[23:02:24] <Dominus> wjp: in maps.txt (pentagram) there is
[23:02:24] <Dominus> 54: in the Shrine of the Ancient Ones. -> Shine
[23:02:24] <Dominus> typo?
[23:03:08] <wjp> huh?
[23:04:16] <wjp> I wrote shine somewhere?
[23:05:00] <wjp> oh, I see, someone updated that file
[23:05:06] * wjp does a cvs update
[23:05:11] <Dominus> Fingolfin: I see a makefile and a makefile.win32 in there
[23:05:31] * Fingolfin runs CVS update agin
[23:05:31] <Fingolfin> again even
[23:05:41] <wjp> yeah, I guess that's a typo. Not sure where these extra names behind the -> come from, though
[23:05:49] <wjp> oh, wait, that's at the top :-)
[23:05:54] <Fingolfin> got it
[23:05:54] <Fingolfin> weird
[23:05:55] <Dominus> he he
[23:06:00] <wjp> *sigh*.. it's getting late :-)
[23:06:38] <Dominus> Fingolfin: the only difference between the two are that on win32 Java needs a ; instead of a : between the classes
[23:07:04] <wjp> so much for java portability :-)
[23:07:38] <Dominus> yep that had me confused for a moment the first time Fingolfin made the makefile
[23:07:57] <Dominus> oh, the 2nd difference is the Clean option in there
[23:28:27] <Dominus> Fingolfin: does Exult Studio run on OSX? (I guess it does but of course I don't know)
[23:31:40] <Fingolfin> it used to, didn't try it today
[23:33:02] <Dominus> okay then, I just noticed that I didn't write that it works for other platforms yet
[23:33:25] <Fingolfin> Dominus: so you want me to rename docs.html to Readme.html ?
[23:33:43] <Dominus> actually to ReadME.html
[23:33:52] <Dominus> nope ReadMe.html
[23:34:09] <Dominus> (as that is the name in Docs
[23:34:25] <Fingolfin> try to add this rule to your Makefile (I can't test right now):
[23:34:26] <Dominus> and some platforms are a bit case sensitive) :-)
[23:34:26] <Fingolfin> ReadMe.html: docs.html
[23:34:26] <Fingolfin> cp ReadMe.html docs.html
[23:34:37] <Fingolfin> that is, you will have to change the cp to copy on windows I guess...
[23:34:43] <Dominus> yep
[23:34:49] <Fingolfin> also, make sure that's a tab before the copy command =)
[23:35:08] <Dominus> I was just not sure what to write in the makefile
[23:35:12] <Fingolfin> oh, and you may want to append ReadMe.html to the end of the all: target, i.e.
[23:35:18] <Fingolfin> all: html text php ReadMe.html
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[23:39:22] <Dominus> make: *** No rule to make target `ReadMe.html', needed by `all'. Stop.
[23:39:27] <wjp> hi
[23:39:33] <Kirben> Hi
[23:39:47] * Dominus takes a look at the exult makefile.win32 for comparison
[23:42:55] <Dominus> but I guess I'll just ask Kirben how to do it correctly :-)
[23:43:17] <Dominus> Kirben: can you take a look at docs/xml/makefile.win32?
[23:43:59] <Dominus> I need to rename docs.html to readme.html after the transformation
[23:46:16] <Dominus> nah, forget it
[23:46:27] <Dominus> I just got it myself
[23:48:04] <Dominus> what is the command for Unix-systems for rename? also ren ?
[23:48:22] <wjp> mv
[23:48:31] <Dominus> ok, thanks