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[07:18:10] <zhentil> Hmm. I'll come back at a better time :D
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[09:08:53] <zhentil> bloody 'void Delay()' in gump_utils.h!!!
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[11:32:06] <SharpTooth> Hi.
[11:32:22] <Colourless> hi
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[13:00:12] <Nadir> hi
[13:00:12] <SharpTooth> <blinkblink> Well, that was quick. Someone seems to have posted a link to download ultima on the forum, yet the message is gone before I could look at it. <grin>
[13:00:19] <SharpTooth> Hi. <bow>
[13:00:19] <Nadir> that was me :)
[13:01:14] <Colourless> hi
[13:01:14] <Colourless> good work :-)
[13:01:14] <Nadir> SharpTooth==Patrick ?
[13:01:16] <SharpTooth> <grin> Nice work. Just yet another abandonware site or something more specific?
[13:01:33] <Nadir> the former
[13:01:43] * SharpTooth bows, "Indeed. It's a roleplay character, I just keep forgetting to change my name when I change servers."
[13:02:04] <Nadir> And why isn't Patrick op ?
[13:02:08] * SharpTooth nods, figured as such.
[13:02:24] <Colourless> ask wjp :-)
[13:03:07] <SharpTooth> I haven't bothered to ask for it? <grin> It doesn't worry me, I'm quite happy not to have ops. I have it on another couple of channels as it is. <snicker>
[13:06:21] <Nadir> I didn't know it was possible to have moderation in the forum without using the Admin backend
[13:06:37] * Nadir has enabled it now for his account
[13:06:47] <Colourless> yeah it is :-)
[13:06:52] <Colourless> i have it enabled on my account
[13:07:16] <Colourless> i use it mostly just so I can edit my own posts :-)
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[13:07:53] <Nadir> hi Dominus
[13:08:03] <Dominus> hi
[13:08:05] <Colourless> hi
[13:08:11] <Dominus> there was a link to download U7?
[13:08:26] <Dominus> who was it? one of the regulars?
[13:08:32] <Dominus> :-)
[13:08:43] <Nadir> no. A guy called Dube I think
[13:10:01] <SharpTooth> Hi Dominus.
[13:10:02] <Dominus> phew, one of us should really play through BG again (Iīm a little horrified of it)
[13:10:13] <Dominus> hi SharpTooth
[13:10:38] <Dominus> see, I put the new stuff into the FAQ
[13:11:51] <Nadir> yeah, I did a fairly thorough read of the FAQ and Docs today. It's very good. Thanks for your work
[13:12:07] <Dominus> thanks
[13:12:15] <Nadir> I have another suggestion
[13:12:19] <Dominus> shoot
[13:12:54] * SharpTooth looks, "Cool. Thanks for that. <grin> You might want to drop the 'IIRC' relating to DrCode and combat though. I only put them in there because I couldn't remember at the time, <grin> and I think he would have commented on it if it were false."
[13:13:08] <Nadir> Docs 2.2: it is difficult to read. Maybe the "leafs" should be on one line (tags and values)
[13:13:18] <Nadir> e.g. <
[13:13:40] <Nadir> <facestats>0</facestats>
[13:13:57] <Nadir> and separated by blank lines
[13:14:14] <Dominus> hm, would be nice if exult.cfg would look like this
[13:15:10] <Dominus> I wanted to make it look like the cfg
[13:15:27] <Nadir> yeah
[13:16:02] <Nadir> Since the death of Phorum, Oblivious has been very quiet
[13:16:26] <Dominus> I think she said she was away for a time
[13:16:35] <Dominus> two weeks
[13:16:37] <SharpTooth> <nod> Not a peep. Perhaps we managed to solve all her problems?
[13:17:00] <Colourless> oblivious made a comment the other day
[13:17:28] <Nadir> Dominus: I will be able to play BG (and maybe SI) all the way through over the weekend.
[13:19:24] <Nadir> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=478738&group_id=2335&atid=102335
[13:19:26] <Nadir> ???
[13:20:23] <SharpTooth> Colourless: <nod> It would appear she did. Her last post was on the 2nd.
[13:21:09] <Colourless> delete it
[13:21:22] <Colourless> SDL issue if anything
[13:21:55] <SharpTooth> Want me to try it on my win98se box first?
[13:22:22] <Dominus> More likely also a problem with drivers
[13:22:26] <Colourless> um why? the person replied saying they caused it themself
[13:22:30] <Colourless> well... i changed my video settings back to normal [i
[13:22:30] <Colourless> forgot i turned off hardware acceleration] and it works
[13:22:30] <Colourless> perfectly...
[13:22:30] <Colourless> but shouldn't it work without hardware acceleration as well?
[13:22:31] <Colourless> 
[13:22:49] <SharpTooth> Ahh. Fair enough. Didn't see the responce.
[13:23:09] <Dominus> me neither :-9
[13:23:12] <Dominus> :-)
[13:23:18] <Dominus> delete it
[13:23:41] <Colourless> there is also a 'feature request' tacked onto the reply as well
[13:24:47] <SharpTooth> <grin> Is that usecode controlled? I would guess so.
[13:25:00] <Colourless> might be
[13:25:15] <Colourless> actually not might be, it is
[13:25:24] <Dominus> Nadir: if you play through blackgate can you from time to time check on the black gate room (save before you go there, then restore if everything is allright) to see if those villains disappear or not ?
[13:25:47] <SharpTooth> <nod> I'm almost certain it is now. <grin> I've got a mental picture of what the usecode should look like in my head.
[13:26:28] <Dominus> Oh my, one way to see if a person has stared too long at the usecode
[13:27:30] <Colourless> :-)
[13:28:14] * SharpTooth looks innocent.
[13:32:06] <Dominus> how can you get "moderation" in the forum?
[13:34:09] <Colourless> it's there somewhere :-)
[13:34:17] <Dominus> :-)
[13:35:25] <Colourless> go into the phorum admin. then go user admin then edit yourself. down the bottum there is an option to enable admin
[13:35:36] <Colourless> cheackbox i mean
[13:35:42] <Dominus> ah
[13:37:49] * Dominus wonders how he gets into the phorum admin, but decides if he doesnīt know itīs probably better if he just ignores it
[13:38:39] * Dominus has the pasword though
[13:40:12] <Colourless> :-)
[13:40:28] <Colourless> you should have gotten an email from wjp with the details in it
[13:40:54] <Dominus> I got the password but never how to get into it
[13:44:45] <Dominus> oops, itīs there after all :-)
[13:45:22] <Colourless> :-)
[13:49:52] <Dominus> Cool, I tried to edit my username and I am now called YcaCMUl/Uvo= and canīt change it anymore :-)
[13:50:08] <Colourless> :-)
[13:50:24] <SharpTooth> Dominus: Err... I guess that's bad then. <grin>
[13:50:29] <Dominus> he he
[13:51:01] <SharpTooth> That actually looks like a md5 sum. Perhaps something is broken within phorum?
[13:51:34] <Colourless> so, why did you do it?
[13:52:00] <Dominus> well, that username is not used anyway but itīs strange, I changed it from Dominus to Dominik Reichardt and also set the moderator check and bang I was called that
[13:52:38] <Dominus> not Dominik R but YcaCMUl/Uvo=
[13:53:32] <Colourless> sounds to me like it broke
[13:53:34] <SharpTooth> You're apparently still called Dominus in the forum. <grin>
[13:53:52] <Colourless> 8 Dominus gigdr@tesionmail.de YcaCMUl/Uvo= delete | edit
[13:54:23] <Colourless> you killed it :-)
[13:54:30] <Dominus> yeah it uses the name instead of username (before it broke it was the other way round)
[13:54:48] <Dominus> me, killed it?
[13:55:10] <Colourless> no :-)
[13:55:23] <Colourless> want your name changed to something better :-)
[13:55:33] * Dominus nods
[13:55:44] <Dominus> actually not my name
[13:55:50] <Colourless> uh oh
[13:56:05] <Dominus> but my username but itīs not that important
[13:56:12] <Dominus> why "uh oh"?
[13:56:27] <Colourless> my username died as well
[13:56:36] <Colourless> now both of use have bad user names
[13:57:02] <Colourless> us i mean
[13:57:14] <Dominus> and we both have the same
[13:57:21] <Dominus> what happened now?
[13:58:18] * Dominus thinks about just deleting that user and start again, this time not touching the username at all
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[14:43:09] <wjp> hi all
[14:43:13] <Dominus> hi
[14:43:16] <wjp> forum trouble again?
[14:43:31] <Colourless> hi
[14:43:33] <Colourless> kind of
[14:43:33] <Dominus> It wasnīt me, I swear, it wasnīt me!!!
[14:43:43] <Colourless> wasn't me either ;-)
[14:43:48] <wjp> I'll bet it was phorum :-)
[14:44:02] <wjp> that thing is kind of buggy
[14:44:41] <wjp> yes, those look like password hashes
[14:45:04] <wjp> (md5 sums are usually displayed as hexadecimal, btw)
[14:46:07] <wjp> want me to change your usernames back? :-)
[14:46:13] <Colourless> yes :-)
[14:46:19] * Dominus nods
[14:46:20] <wjp> what to?
[14:46:26] <Dominus> Dominik Reichardt
[14:47:27] <wjp> and 'Colourless Dragon' ?
[14:47:36] <SharpTooth> Hi wjp. <bow>
[14:47:46] <wjp> hi
[14:48:07] <wjp> or 'Colourless'?
[14:48:30] <SharpTooth> wjp: (md5) <nod> Sorry, thinko. <grin>
[14:48:37] <Colourless> Colourless
[14:48:55] <Dominus> anyone noticed that lately there is mostly the team in the channel
[14:49:06] <wjp> done
[14:49:16] <Dominus> thx
[14:49:27] <wjp> np
[14:49:41] <wjp> did this happen after trying to change something in useradmin?
[14:50:15] <Dominus> this happend when I checked modereator option and at the same time changed my username
[14:50:33] <Dominus> yes, user admni
[14:50:47] <wjp> looks like I'll have to go fix some more bugs
[14:50:54] <wjp> *again*
[14:51:24] <wjp> hmm, guess I'll have to make an account then :-)
[14:51:48] <Dominus> :-)
[14:51:55] <SharpTooth> wjp: Or use another forum program. <grin> We seem to have encountered almost all the bugs in this one.
[14:52:24] <wjp> I checked phorum's CVS on the </a> bug I fixed earlier. They actually made the bug worse
[14:52:30] <Dominus> yeah, letīs try another one - those bugs get boring - we need NEw bugs
[14:53:08] <SharpTooth> Dominus: <grin> I was tempted to add something like that to the end of my statement.
[14:53:27] <Dominus> he he
[14:54:54] <SharpTooth> OTOH, it's possible we'll find one that actually has _less_ bugs... <grin> however unlikely that may be.
[14:55:25] <wjp> phorum doesn't seem to have that many bugs in 'normal operation', thugh
[14:55:32] <wjp> s/thugh/though/
[14:55:53] * Dominus took a look at http://exult.sourceforge.net/about.php and noticed there is no Patrick Burke on the team and decides to ignore SharpTooth as he seems to be an imposter
[14:55:57] <Dominus> :-)
[14:57:02] * Dominus took a look at http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=2335 and decides he is real after all
[14:57:04] <Dominus> .-)
[14:57:10] <SharpTooth> I mastered the art of being forgotten and unnoticed many years ago. <grin> It tends to serve me well on occasions.
[14:57:36] <Dominus> :-)
[14:58:50] <SharpTooth> OTOP, this "Patrick Burke" could be the imposter and the human roleplay character of a cute bunny called "SharpTooth". <grin> You never know.
[14:59:28] <SharpTooth> Yes. Really. I do roleplay a sentient rabbit. So sue me. <fangygrin>
[14:59:59] * Dominus readies his gun and whispers "mhmm, bunny flesh - I like"
[15:00:13] <Dominus> :-)
[15:00:34] <SharpTooth> Sorry, you'll have to do better then that with my vorpal fangs and nice sharp claws. <innocentfluff>
[15:01:04] <SharpTooth> Think of the bunny in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
[15:01:08] * Dominus decides that instead he will eat "false rabbit" today
[15:01:27] <Dominus> that one was really cute
[15:01:35] * Dominus readies the holy handgrenade
[15:02:26] * SharpTooth snickers and wonders that the people reading the chatlogs will think. <grin>
[15:02:39] * Dominus decides to eat something now before he totally looses his mind
[15:03:06] <Dominus> they will probably decide we are arrogant loonies
[15:03:08] * SharpTooth has already lost his mind, if you didn't notice. <innocentlop>
[15:05:13] <wjp> strange. I don't see any obvious bugs in the useradmin handling
[15:05:55] <Dominus> did you try changing your user name?
[15:06:10] <wjp> no, looked at the code
[15:06:26] <Dominus> :-)
[15:08:11] <wjp> what option did you enable? the 'full access' or the 'moderation' one?
[15:08:28] <Colourless> i enabled both
[15:08:40] <Dominus> me too
[15:08:47] <Colourless> but that was right after we upgraded the forum
[15:09:29] <Colourless> earlier I just pressed save in my detail, and then proceded to attempt to edit dom's username
[15:09:47] <wjp> so you didn't change anything but just pressed save?
[15:09:57] <Colourless> yeah
[15:10:07] <wjp> mind if I try it with your account? :-)
[15:10:21] <Colourless> yeag
[15:10:31] <wjp> I'll try anyway ;-)
[15:10:34] <Colourless> do it if you want ;-)
[15:11:01] <wjp> hmm, seemed to work
[15:11:22] <wjp> were you logged in as yourself or as admin?
[15:11:56] <Colourless> i'm not sure if things went bad before or after editing dom's one. I think it was ok untill I attempted to edit dom's. Logged in where?
[15:12:08] <wjp> the admin section
[15:12:43] <Colourless> what ever the account you gave me was
[15:12:57] <Colourless> i'm guessing that was admin
[15:12:59] <wjp> that's the admin account
[15:13:27] <wjp> can either of you get it to happen again?
[15:13:47] <Dominus> let me try
[15:15:31] <Dominus> just by unchecking both marks it happened
[15:15:37] <Dominus> right now
[15:15:59] <wjp> strange
[15:16:11] <Dominus> (full access and moderation)
[15:21:05] <wjp> ok, and now?
[15:22:55] <Dominus> works now
[15:23:09] <Colourless> what did you do?
[15:23:19] <wjp> I renamed the form field for the username
[15:23:35] <wjp> I guess that in some circumstances that variable was used for something else elsewhere
[15:24:00] <Colourless> might be an IE6 problem
[15:24:15] <wjp> could be
[15:24:27] <wjp> or an old cookie
[15:24:35] <Colourless> maybe
[15:25:28] <wjp> you should never give form fields the same name as other variables in php
[15:25:53] <wjp> (with that feature that get/post vars automatically become global vars)
[15:26:50] <Nadir> XxVenomxX on the forum has managed to complete SI as well
[15:27:00] <wjp> good :-)
[15:27:25] <Dominus> cool
[15:27:52] <Colourless> great
[15:27:55] <wjp> ok.. next bug... does the 'older messages' link work for you?
[15:28:21] <Dominus> didnīt some days ago
[15:28:48] <Colourless> nope it doesn't for me
[15:29:33] <SharpTooth> Nor me under Konqueror and Mozilla. Do we actually have enough message that there may be old messages to view? The forum did get reset recently so that may be the problem.
[15:29:46] <wjp> yes, the 'testing' thread is gone, for instance
[15:30:23] <Dominus> yep, the forum was up on about the 24th but now only shows since 32st
[15:30:32] <Dominus> oops, 31st
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[15:30:43] <Colourless> 32nd hey :-)
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[15:31:06] <wjp> wb :-)
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[15:31:30] <SharpTooth> <nod> Fair enough. It just keeps pulling up the front page whenever I click on the Older Messages link. So I expect it's the same thing that happens to you?
[15:31:36] <wjp> yeah
[15:31:44] <wjp> guess I'll go fix that one now
[15:35:05] <Nadir> wjp: are you keeping a backup of all the fixes you've made to phorum
[15:35:13] <wjp> no, but I will
[15:35:27] <wjp> I guess I should submit them to the project too
[15:45:42] <Nadir> wohoo: WJP, top contributor to Phroum
[15:45:49] <Nadir> Actually the choice of Phorum was my fault
[15:46:25] <SharpTooth> fault? It was your descision not your fault. <grin>
[15:48:25] <wjp> ok, fixed
[15:48:42] <wjp> seems they forgot to put an AND between to conditions in an SQL query
[15:49:50] <Nadir> well, phorum looked like it was the easiest to setup, administer and configure at the time. The feature set is quite good, but the bugs are really horrid
[15:49:57] <wjp> any other bugs/annoyances in phorum? :-)
[15:49:59] <SharpTooth> <nod> Nice work. <grin>
[15:50:57] <SharpTooth> Nadir: Indeed. And are the bugs your fault? <grin>
[15:51:11] <Nadir> nope
[15:51:25] <Nadir> heh, real time bug fixing
[15:51:51] <Colourless> always the best way :-)
[15:51:55] <SharpTooth> <grin> Like I said, it was your descision, not your fault.
[15:52:50] <SharpTooth> It gets to that point with exult as well, someone posts to the forum saying "this doesn't work", two responces later is a post that says, "now it does".
[15:53:35] <Nadir> we rule
[15:53:41] <Colourless> :-)
[15:53:46] <Colourless> yeah we do
[15:53:54] * Dominus notes that two responses doesnīt necessarily mean it was done in less than 14 days :-)
[15:54:01] <Dominus> but yes, we do rule
[15:54:59] <Dominus> well, it seems it is really time for a beta release
[15:55:20] <Nadir> I'm quite proud of the activity that surrounds Exult: the development, the daily snapshots, the docs/FAQ, the forum, the response time
[15:55:21] <Dominus> 8if only because people seem to understand what beta means, but arenīt so sure about alpha) :-)
[15:55:42] <Nadir> It is one of the most active projects I've seen.
[15:55:46] <SharpTooth> Most of them I tend when I wake up in the morning and there is a series of new messages like [problem]-[confirmation]-[confirmation]-[fixed] waiting to be read.
[15:56:21] <SharpTooth> Dominus: <nod> It seems that people think 'alpha' comes after we've already done a 'beta'.
[15:56:32] <Colourless> :-)
[15:56:39] <Colourless> indeed it does
[15:57:10] <Nadir> can someone explain that u9/planet of the apes/simpsons thing on the forum ?
[15:57:14] <Colourless> beta is supposed to be features are locked and it's time to do bug fixing
[15:57:22] <wjp> Nadir: no, nobody can :-)
[15:57:30] * Nadir hasn't played u9, doesn't watch the simpsons and hasn't seen PotA
[15:57:38] <Dominus> Nadir: and I think we have everyright to be proud of it (though that isnīt a virtue)
[15:57:41] <Colourless> i don't quite get it myself.
[15:57:46] <SharpTooth> I can. Kind of. <grin> At least the planet of the apes bit.
[15:57:50] <wjp> ok, I can explain the PotA reference
[15:58:41] <SharpTooth> In the original movie (I'm not sure about the remake), there's a shot of the astronaut, with his 'helmet' under his arm, standing next to/slightly away from the knocked off head of the statue of liberty.
[15:58:45] <Dominus> the broken statue is in Skara Brae and it reminded suraimu of PotA and he said something in his first post that was supposed to be a simpsons reference
[15:58:57] <Nadir> ah
[15:59:11] <wjp> that's the end of the original, yes
[15:59:14] <wjp> haven't seen the remake
[15:59:17] <Nadir> and what's the point of that on Exult's forum (I know this is a silly question) ?
[15:59:26] <Colourless> because he could :-)
[15:59:45] <SharpTooth> Which is what that 'crown' of spikes to the right of the picture is. IIRC, the 'moon' was also visible to the left in the same position as the 'planet' is in the picture as well.
[15:59:47] <Dominus> I still think itīs very funny that suraimu blocked the whole .at range from accessing his site :-)
[15:59:52] <wjp> :-)
[16:00:13] <Colourless> doesn't like austrians?
[16:00:15] <SharpTooth> Nadir: Because it's ultima related. <grin>
[16:00:16] <wjp> brb
[16:01:15] <Dominus> Colourless: maybe after that right wing party became part of the government he decided to block all austrians (event those who arenīt but have an austrian IP) :-)
[16:01:20] <SharpTooth> Colourless: I'm guessing he had someone harassing his site somehow.
[16:02:13] <Dominus> well, he unblocked me (after SharpTooth already sent me the pic)
[16:02:26] <Dominus> but I somehow expected more from the picture
[16:02:40] <Colourless> :-)
[16:03:51] <Dominus> something funny I found when spell checking the FAQ with Dreamweaver: that software that is supposed to make webpages didn't have the words "homepage" and "website" in its spell checker :-)
[16:04:22] <SharpTooth> <boggle>
[16:06:23] <Dominus> http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=510&t=510 :-)
[16:07:13] <Colourless> and?
[16:07:37] <Dominus> just found it funny :-)
[16:08:39] <Colourless> hmm, ok :-)
[16:09:35] <SharpTooth> Colourless: He's probably amazed that someone actually _read_ the documentation. That's why he finds it funny. <grin>
[16:09:43] <Colourless> hehe
[16:09:50] <Colourless> yes, that would be dominus
[16:12:12] <Dominus> hmmm, now I canīt log in to the forum anymore
[16:12:37] <Colourless> what is your username?
[16:12:49] <Dominus> Dominik
[16:12:56] <Colourless> and that doesn't work?
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[16:13:22] <Dominus> and I even changed the password in the useradmin and it sayy no match for those two
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[16:14:20] <Colourless> hmmm
[16:14:37] <SharpTooth> Hmm... looks like things have gone a bit weird after that netsplit.
[16:14:45] <Dominus> true
[16:14:46] <Colourless> why?
[16:15:04] <Dominus> weīve got all deoped :-)
[16:15:07] <Dominus> save for you
[16:15:19] <Colourless> the system was restarted
[16:15:36] <SharpTooth> I got a desync notice saying they are going to restart the service just before the netsplit. Just wait a bit and maybe everyone will get ops back. <grin>
[16:16:32] <Colourless> i have scripts setup to automatically identify me when nickserv tells me that my nick is registered. And after notification that i've been identified, i message chanserv asking for ops
[16:17:43] <SharpTooth> Perhaps the appropriate people should msg chanserv?
[16:18:11] <SharpTooth> Or you could just give them ops. That'd be quicker. <grin>
[16:19:36] <Colourless> i'm sure they can all figure it out :-)
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[16:22:36] <Dominus> about my messed up login, I just decided to delete the user Dominik and recreate him :-)
[16:22:49] <Colourless> simple solution
[16:23:24] <Dominus> exactly
[16:25:05] <wjp> umm, your username was 'Dominik Reichardt'
[16:25:12] <wjp> that's what you wanted me to set it to, remember :-)
[16:26:21] <Dominus> wjp: when I tested it out for you because of the name change I set him to Dominik and later wasnīt able to login anymore
[16:26:35] <wjp> ah, ok
[16:27:02] <Dominus> even when I changed the pasword in UserAdmin
[16:28:49] <wjp> if you edit your account, can you still login after that?
[16:29:15] <Dominus> wait Iīll try
[16:29:24] * wjp hopes he didn't break that
[16:31:36] <Dominus> nope, broken
[16:31:53] <Dominus> when you edit the username you canīt login anymore
[16:32:11] <wjp> username is 'Dominik_R' now, right?
[16:32:20] <Dominus> right
[16:32:32] <Dominus> I can login to admin stuff but not to the forum
[16:33:37] <SharpTooth> Good luck. <bow> I must disappear for something approaching sleep now. Night all.
[16:33:39] <wjp> works for me
[16:33:41] <wjp> night
[16:33:50] <Colourless> bye
[16:33:52] <wjp> did you explicitly logout before changing it?
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[16:34:09] <Dominus> nope
[16:34:17] <Colourless> that might cause problems
[16:34:19] <wjp> I'm guessing that's it
[16:34:36] <wjp> you got a login link, but not a logout link?
[16:35:16] <Dominus> you mean on the forum? Yes, no log out link
[16:35:24] <Dominus> but I did log out of the admin page
[16:35:52] <wjp> I might take a look at the login/out logic later
[16:36:02] <wjp> I have to go home now, though
[16:36:16] <wjp> (bah, it's raining... grmbl...)
[16:36:17] <wjp> bye
[16:36:22] <Dominus> bye
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[16:37:16] <Dominus> wjp: when you read this later, the initial problem was that I was for some reason logged out of the forum and wanted to log in again
[16:40:09] <Nadir> bye guys
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[16:40:14] <Dominus> bye
[16:40:14] <Colourless> cya
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[16:45:38] <Dominus> wjp: if you read this later " a user created in the user admin pages canīt log in to the forum" At least I culdnīt
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[18:55:46] <Fingolfin> lo
[18:55:52] <Colourless> hi
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[19:02:09] * Colourless looks at some code he just wrote and decides that he really should write more comments
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[19:33:31] <Dominus> hi again
[19:33:38] <Colourless> hi
[19:34:17] <Dominus> Colourless, so what code are you working on ? :-)
[19:36:14] <Colourless> at this instant I just 'finished' adding zipfile support (reading only) to something i'm working on (not exult). in theory shouldn't be too hard to port the code to exult
[19:36:29] <Dominus> cool
[19:37:12] <Colourless> yeah.
[19:37:38] <Dominus> this will come handy eventually
[19:39:22] <Colourless> yeah it should, eventually. not going to add anything till after the 1.0 release though.
[19:39:39] <Colourless> Zipped save games should be nice
[19:40:03] <Dominus> yeah
[19:42:50] <Colourless> it actually looks that adding zip support for savegames into exult would be really really simple
[19:43:27] * Dominus still thinks it would be nice to have it in the beta cycle but he wonīt voice it too loud
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[19:43:38] <Fingolfin> hi Dominus, Colourless
[19:43:46] <Colourless> hi
[19:45:13] <Dominus> hi
[19:45:47] <Colourless> the gzip api for writing a zipfile contains exactly 5 functions.
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[19:49:07] <matto|wookin> ?seen fingolfin
[19:49:07] <exultbot> fingolfin is right here!
[19:49:13] <matto|wookin> ?seen dominus
[19:49:13] <exultbot> dominus is known as Dominus|dinner since Wed Nov 7 19:47:36 2001 (GMT)
[19:50:24] <Fingolfin> matto|wookin: silly!
[19:50:45] <matto|wookin> Fingolfin: just testing out exultbot's capabilities :)
[19:50:54] <Colourless> :-)
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[20:33:15] <zhentil> 'ello
[20:33:27] <matto|wookin> hey
[20:34:00] <zhentil> has anyone been able to build .94alpha5 under freebsd yet?
[20:34:17] <Colourless> no idea
[20:35:07] <zhentil> Ok.. I've tried
[20:35:25] <zhentil> had some problems with SDL, but that was my fault.. I've got that sorted out, but I still get a problem with gump_utils.h
[20:37:57] <zhentil> gump_utils.h: In function `void Delay()':
[20:37:57] <zhentil> gump_utils.h:91: `bzero' undeclared (first use this function)
[20:37:57] <zhentil> gump_utils.h:91: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[20:37:57] <zhentil> gump_utils.h:91: for each function it appears in.)
[20:38:11] <zhentil> 'bzero' isn't even in gump_utils.. must be a pointer or something :P
[20:39:49] <Colourless> autoconf (???) is detecting xwindows, that is probably what is causing the problem
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[20:39:57] <wjp> hi
[20:39:59] <Colourless> hi
[20:40:19] <wjp> zhentil: you'll want to change the #ifdef XWIN
[20:40:38] <wjp> something like #if (defined(XWIN) && !defined(__OPENBSD__))
[20:40:49] <zhentil> hmm
[20:40:57] <wjp> not sure about the exact macro, though. (__OPENBSD__ or __OPENBSD, probably)
[20:41:22] <wjp> or you can just make it an "#if 0"
[20:41:56] <zhentil> in gump_utils? or should I take it out of config.h and make clean?
[20:42:26] <wjp> no, you need to have XWIN defined if you want to build for X
[20:43:21] <zhentil> I figured.. taking it out of that area won't affect it otherwise, though?
[20:43:27] <zhentil> is the problem with the timing code?
[20:43:30] <wjp> yeah
[20:43:34] <wjp> looks like it
[20:43:44] <wjp> those FD_ things are macros
[20:44:26] <wjp> could be that you need an extra include, but I'm not sure. Besides, SDL_Delay works just fine
[20:45:05] <zhentil> ok.. do I need time.h?
[20:45:41] <wjp> not if you replace the #ifdef with #if 0
[20:45:53] <zhentil> alright
[20:47:54] <zhentil> you might like this.. the official SDL 1.2 port from freebsd.org doesn't have any 1.2 libraries :)
[20:48:27] <zhentil> but the official SDL 1.2 source compiles fine
[20:49:44] <wjp> heh :-)
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[20:50:07] <wjp|afk> bbl
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[20:50:59] <zhentil_> bloody..
[20:51:15] <Colourless> whoa
[20:51:41] <zhentil_> hmm.. well, it seems gump_utils worked without the xwin timing stuff
[20:51:59] <zhentil_> now, hoping the rest does alright
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[20:57:18] <zhentil> shizmat
[20:57:20] <zhentil> /usr/local/include/SDL/SDL_syswm.h:55: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[20:57:21] <zhentil> /usr/local/include/SDL/SDL_syswm.h:56: X11/Xatom.h: No such file or directory
[20:58:57] <zhentil> hmm.. it's in /usr/X11R6/include/X11
[21:06:58] <zhentil> made a symlink, it compiled superb :)
[21:07:04] <zhentil> thanks guys
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[21:21:08] <Dominus|dinner> :-) Dominus|dinner, Fingolfin|work, wjp|afk, matto|wookin; Colourless you need a | as well :-)
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[21:21:49] <Colourless|here> good enough ?
[21:22:04] <Dominus> not anymore, now that I changed to normal again :-)
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[21:22:45] <matto|wookin> dominus!!!!!!!
[21:22:59] <Dominus> matto|wookin!!!!!!
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[21:32:06] <Dominus> Got a fat pipe and something to prove? Host a SourceForge download
[21:32:08] <Dominus> server!
[21:32:26] <Dominus> from ftp://upload.sourceforge.net
[21:32:39] <Dominus> :-)
[21:33:02] <Colourless> i wish :-)
[21:33:15] <zhentil_> Ok.. exult compiled fine after I took out the xwin timer routine, using SDL_Delay instead.. but it doesn't seem to work too well
[21:33:31] <Dominus> whatīs the problem?
[21:33:57] <zhentil_> I run the binary, the exult window opens up, the logo starts to fade in but it's very slow and the audio stutters
[21:35:01] <zhentil_> wjp said SDL_Delay should run fine under x, but I assume that's where the problem is springing from
[21:36:07] <Dominus> :-(
[21:38:14] <matto|wookin> I use SDL_Delay under X all the time and it works fine
[21:38:42] <zhentil_> Hmm, strange.. I don't have many processes running when I try it
[21:39:01] <zhentil_> SDL_Delay(20); or should I try changing the value?
[21:39:35] <matto|wookin> hehe... well how would I know? I don't even know how long you want to delay for
[21:39:38] <Dominus> eliminate the usual perhaps (like disable audio) but mind you I donīt know much if anything about programming :-)
[21:40:23] <Colourless> well, what computer are you attempting to run exult on?
[21:40:24] <matto|wookin> SDL_Delay(# of miliseconds you want to sleep) but it's not guaranteed to sleep for exactly that amount
[21:40:28] <matto|wookin> it could sleep longer, for example
[21:41:08] <zhentil_> duron 750 + 128mb PC100 ram.. shouldn't be a problem
[21:41:17] <Dominus> Colourless: see http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1293939507 for another update how much your graphics card is worth :-)
[21:41:52] <wjp|afk> that delay function shouldn't affect audio and intro screen, I think
[21:42:43] <Colourless> no it shouldn't
[21:43:08] <zhentil_> ahh.. you're right.. it's in the gump_utils section anyway
[21:43:12] <matto|wookin> gump!
[21:43:25] <matto|wookin> I wonder how good the V5 6000 really was
[21:43:45] <Fingolfin|work> aaahhhhhh finally finshed
[21:43:49] <matto|wookin> I have a V5 5500 inside this box ...
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[21:44:02] <matto|wookin> fin!
[21:44:09] <matto|wookin> finally free
[21:44:48] <Dominus> matto|wookin: ask Colourless how good that card is :-)
[21:44:52] <zhentil_> hmm.. ok, it seems to me to happen whenever music is playing.. a problem with timidity perhaps?
[21:44:59] <matto|wookin> Colourless: you have one of those things?
[21:45:37] <Colourless> yeah I do
[21:45:43] * Fingolfin was TeXing his Analysis Homework; the TeXing was the easy part, though =)
[21:46:37] <wjp|afk> :-)
[21:46:53] <Colourless> that card is different to mine
[21:47:05] <matto|wookin> selling it on ebay for $1000+ seems like pretty good profit
[21:47:27] <Dominus> Colourless: how is it different?
[21:47:48] <Dominus> matto|wookin: the other one last week sold for 2500,- or more
[21:47:53] <Colourless> that one is actually one from 3dfx. Mine is from Quantum3D and has a molex connecter
[21:48:01] <matto|wookin> video cards age quickly...
[21:48:05] <matto|wookin> cool! quantum3d!
[21:48:46] <zhentil_> disabled audio, works fine.. but that's no way to play U7 :(
[21:49:11] <Dominus> you could just disable music and still have the "perfect" sfx :-)
[21:49:37] <Colourless> if you look closely at mine http://www.users.on.net/triforce/6000/front.jpg and where the wires connect to thte board, you can see it's different to the one on ebay.... mine should be worth more ;-)
[21:51:01] * Dominus is so jealous
[21:51:05] <Dominus> as always
[21:56:44] <zhentil_> you mean your sfx files? :)
[21:57:22] <Dominus> he he
[21:57:47] <Dominus> seriously, having no music sucks big time
[21:58:50] <zhentil_> the u7 music was great.. i'm looking through the audio sourcefiles.. seeing if I can find anything on timing or something
[22:09:51] <Colourless> cool. I just produced a version of Expack that creates ZIP files instead of Flexes
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[22:16:07] <Colourless> Exult.flx when from 123 k to 52 k
[22:16:37] <Colourless> of course it's usefulness is questionable
[22:16:49] <Colourless> at the moment that is :-)
[22:16:55] <Dominus> :-)
[22:17:58] <Fingolfin> yippi! 71k saved!!! now I can stuff ... erhm... 0.01 MP3 files more onto my HD =)
[22:18:39] <Colourless> yep. we can use all the space we can get :-)
[22:18:49] <zhentil_> might be better for those people running exult on minimal systems
[22:19:11] <Fingolfin> yeah, somebody might want to port exult to the iPaq (no kidding).
[22:20:07] <zhentil_> but then again, if someone puts together a minimal system (like a 486-66 with a 500mb hard drive), they could probably run U7 fine without exult
[22:20:27] <Colourless> no kidding :-)
[22:20:40] <Dominus> but think of all the cool features of Exult!
[22:20:52] <Dominus> (if you want to know what these are, read the FAQ :-))
[22:21:04] * Dominus just had to say this
[22:21:04] <zhentil_> I know what they are, heehee
[22:21:37] <zhentil_> I like the integration of some of the SI features into TBG
[22:22:01] <zhentil_> like the keyring.. many a time back in the day, a key would disappear in U7, and I would put my fist through the wall
[22:22:31] <Colourless> well, that was actually a bug in BG
[22:23:13] <zhentil_> that is true.. I assume it doesn't persist with Exult :)
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[22:26:08] <wjp> I should go to bed
[22:26:10] <wjp> g'night
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[22:26:23] <Dominus> sleep well
[22:33:29] <Colourless> well, that's it for me today
[22:33:41] <Fingolfin> cya
[22:33:45] * Fingolfin will go to bed now, too
[22:33:47] <Dominus> bye bye
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[22:34:07] <Dominus> nooo, donīt leave me alone with Exultbot!!!
[22:34:12] <zhentil_> I'm here :P
[22:34:20] <zhentil_> hehe
[22:34:40] * Dominus notices he is not alone and apologizes to zhentil_ and matto|wookin :-)
[22:36:02] <zhentil_> do you happen to know who ported the older versions of exult to freebsd?
[22:36:27] <Dominus> no idea :-(
[22:37:12] <zhentil_> Okay. wjp might know.. he came back and then went to bed while I was on the telephone
[22:37:27] <Dominus> hehe
[22:37:31] <zhentil_> Maybe if I can contact the previous porter in question, they might be able to help with this audio timing issue
[22:37:44] <zhentil_> unfortunately no documents in the older ports
[22:38:12] <Dominus> I know that I read something on it at sometime here in the channel but I canīt remember :-(
[22:39:03] <Dominus> zhentil_ see http://www.google.com/search?q=Exult+AND+freebsd&hl=de&lr=
[22:40:59] <Dominus> so it was Drax
[22:42:21] <zhentil_> is he part of the team?
[22:43:19] <Dominus> nope, and I donīt have the mailing list backed up, so I donīt know his email-addy
[22:45:33] <zhentil_> found a DraX on groups.google.com searching for drax and freebsd
[22:45:35] <zhentil_> might be the same guy
[22:45:41] <zhentil_> I'll send him an email
[22:46:06] <Dominus> I wouldnīt bet on it, but I guess it must be him.
[22:46:25] <Dominus> He used to look in to this channel
[23:03:50] <Dominus> good luck zhentil_! please tell us, if you get it to work.
[23:03:53] <Dominus> got to go now
[23:03:55] <Dominus> bye
[23:03:56] <zhentil_> ok, thanks :)
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