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[13:28:02] <TonyHoyt> Hello people. Jeeze, anyone around?
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[13:29:20] <wjp> hi tony
[13:29:22] <wjp> brb
[13:38:08] <TonyHoyt> Hi Wjp
[13:44:57] <wjp> b
[13:49:12] <TonyHoyt> b?
[14:10:09] <wjp> back :-)
[14:10:24] <TonyHoyt> Hi Wjp.
[14:11:10] <wjp> hey
[14:25:57] <TonyHoyt> I'll see you guys a little later today.
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[15:42:55] <jameson> Hi!
[15:42:57] <wjp> hi
[15:43:11] <wjp> I read you managed to get it to link?
[15:43:20] <jameson> Yes.
[15:43:32] <jameson> I needed an ld that would understand ld --style=compaq
[15:43:41] <jameson> My ld claimed it did, but it didn't ;-)
[15:43:49] <wjp> hehe :-)
[15:44:07] <jameson> I copied one from one of Compaq's Test Drive systems...
[15:44:38] <jameson> It's GNU ld, actually; looks like they introduced a bug in one of the more recent binutils updates.
[15:44:49] <jameson> (This is Yet Another Known Issue, BTW ;-)
[15:45:26] <wjp> I just managed to compile exult on Solaris
[15:45:41] <wjp> ...only to find out that SDL doesn't support the CDE
[15:45:41] <jameson> Cool! Well, I guess they had a working C++ compiler?
[15:45:44] <wjp> argh
[15:45:48] <jameson> Agh!
[15:46:00] <wjp> I had to bug my sysops to install a working compiler :-)
[15:46:04] <jameson> ;-)
[15:46:13] <jameson> They'd kill my account if I tried to e-mail them ;-)
[15:46:35] <wjp> lol
[15:47:04] <jameson> I'm surprised, though- SDL requires WM-specific features?
[15:47:21] <wjp> it needs X
[15:47:44] <wjp> (well, in solaris, anyway)
[15:48:12] <jameson> Doesn't Solaris come with an X server?
[15:48:19] <wjp> dunno
[15:48:34] <jameson> All our boxes at work have one installed...
[15:48:40] <jameson> Well, all the workstations, that is...
[15:49:18] <jameson> FreeSCI used to work on Solaris, BTW (SCNR ;-)
[15:50:37] <jameson> BTW, this probably sounds like a stupid Newbie question (it acutally is...), but what do I need to do to get MIDI output?
[15:50:48] <jameson> I don't think I need anything special on the Alpha for that...
[15:50:56] <wjp> hmmm...
[15:51:09] <wjp> what does configure say about libkmid and timidity?
[15:51:25] <wjp> or you can check autoconfig.h
[15:51:27] <jameson> kmid certainly isn't there...
[15:52:00] <jameson> Neither is timidity.
[15:52:15] <wjp> so that leaves playmidi?
[15:52:40] * jameson runs apt-get install timidity
[15:52:49] <jameson> Playmidi should work, if invoked with -e
[15:52:55] <wjp> is it invoked with -e?
[15:53:05] <jameson> Dunno...
[15:53:20] <jameson> I don't hear anything, anyway ;-)
[15:53:24] <jameson> How is this handled?
[15:53:36] <wjp> let me check
[15:53:54] <wjp> on startup, do you get a MIDI system message?
[15:54:25] <jameson> Audio subsystem request: Music track # 0
[15:54:26] <jameson> Starting midi sequence with forked_player
[15:54:26] <jameson> Playmidi 2.3 Copyright (C) 1994-1996 Nathan I. Laredo
[15:54:26] <jameson> This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.
[15:54:26] <jameson> For details please see the file COPYING.
[15:54:34] <jameson> Yes, playmidi.
[15:54:52] <jameson> I guess -e should be made a configurable option.
[15:55:01] <wjp> -e is on by default
[15:55:03] <wjp> -v too
[15:56:49] <jameson> Uh-huh...
[15:56:53] <jameson> Weird...
[15:57:03] <jameson> playmidi -e no longer works manually, either...
[15:57:10] <jameson> But I *did* load the soundfont...
[15:57:35] <jameson> OK, so this is just a problem I have with playmidi, nothing special.
[15:57:42] <jameson> I'd better move on to more interesting problems ;-)
[16:14:33] <wjp> time for me to go home
[16:14:35] <wjp> bye
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[16:30:24] <Fingolfin> hiya
[16:30:27] <Fingolfin> hi jameson
[16:33:15] <jameson> Hi Fingolfin!
[16:33:20] <jameson> (And thx ;-)
[16:33:37] <jameson> Once again, I've got to go in a few minutes, though...
[16:37:05] <Fingolfin> that's life
[16:37:11] <Fingolfin> I can't work on exult today anyway
[16:37:21] <Fingolfin> I finally need to work again on my other (main) project
[16:37:24] <Fingolfin> Jabbernaut, my own baby
[16:37:32] <Fingolfin> which I neglected for the past weeks :(
[16:39:38] <jameson> What does it do, anyway?
[16:39:52] <jameson> It's C++, right? (so I probably shouldn't bother to compile it here...)
[16:42:50] <jameson> s/bother to compile/bother _trying_ to compile/, sorry...
[16:42:56] <jameson> OTOH, using cxx...
[16:46:02] <Fingolfin> hehe
[16:46:19] <Fingolfin> well, it is a macintosh only Jabber client (jabber is an instant messaging system)
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[16:46:28] <wjp> hi
[16:46:34] <jameson> wb!
[16:47:02] <wjp> I was just watching a 3rd year CS student help a 1st year with a programming assignment...
[16:47:17] <wjp> he had to implement a stack...
[16:47:43] <wjp> 3rd year: "well, I didn't really do a stack in my 1st year... so I'm not really sure how to do this..."
[16:47:48] <wjp> ARGH
[16:49:07] <Fingolfin> jo wjb
[16:49:18] <Fingolfin> LOL
[16:49:25] <wjp> terrible isn't it?
[16:50:25] <wjp> my already-not-so-good impression of our CS students just went further downhill
[16:50:33] <jameson> ;-)
[16:50:42] <jameson> Don't panic, it's the same situation here.
[16:51:02] <jameson> You really wouldn't want to know our 1st year students... (SCNR) ;->
[16:51:17] <wjp> scnr?
[16:52:12] <jameson> SCNR == Sorry, Could Not Resist ;-)
[16:52:23] <wjp> ah, ok :-)
[16:53:00] <wjp> oh, wait... got it :-)
[16:53:11] <wjp> hi Max :-)
[16:54:43] <jameson> ;-)
[16:54:53] <jameson> Damn, time's up.
[16:54:56] <jameson> I've got to go now...
[16:55:05] <jameson> I'll be back on sunday or so.
[16:55:06] <jameson> Bye!
[16:55:07] <wjp> ok, bye
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[18:15:49] <TonyHoyt> Hello hello
[18:47:32] <TonyHoyt> bye
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[21:48:41] <Fingolfin> ?seen
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[23:15:41] <Fingolfin> hiya
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