#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 8 Jul 2002 (GMT)

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[00:19:03] <wjp> grrr.. got stuck while training
[00:19:17] <wjp> Iolo was just walking back and forth on the List Field instead of walking back through the door
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[00:35:10] <wjp> time for me to go too
[00:35:14] <wjp> more play-testing tomorrow :-)
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[07:50:03] <Darke> Hi Wumpus.
[07:50:16] <Wumpus> 'lo darke! ltns
[07:51:11] <Darke> Well it depends if you count being 'seen' when afk or not. *grin*
[07:51:47] <Wumpus> hehe, okay, ltnt or something like that then :)
[07:52:48] * Darke snickers.
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[10:13:25] <wjp> hi
[10:13:48] <Kirben> Hi wjp
[10:16:26] <Darke> Hi.
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[11:01:33] <wjp> hi Max
[11:01:40] <Fingolfin> yo
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[11:02:29] <Darke> Hi.
[11:08:52] * Darke finally succumbs under the merciless assault of wave after wave of tiredness gremlins. Night!
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[11:09:19] <wjp> night :-)
[11:56:38] <wjp> ok... let's see... I think I'll go implement unicode in the savegame gump
[12:13:05] <wjp> hmmm... why are all these 'gump_utils' not in the Gump_manager?
[12:13:10] <wjp> time for some code cleanup, I guess :-)
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[13:57:50] <wjp> Fingolfin: could you check sometime if the current text input code (savegame gump) works properly for you?
[13:58:10] <Fingolfin> sure
[13:58:14] <Fingolfin> but I have to go to uni in a few minutes
[13:58:23] <wjp> no hurry :-)
[13:58:32] <wjp> it's in the 'unstable' branch anyway :-)
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[14:40:18] <wjp> hi
[14:40:19] <Colourless> hi
[14:55:43] * wjp is pretty sure he messed up the windows compilation in the MAIN branch
[14:58:13] <Colourless> sigh, lets have a look then
[14:59:06] <Colourless> i'm guessing that was just because you removed gump_utils.cc ?
[14:59:59] <wjp> mostly, yes
[15:00:36] <Colourless> other than that, i can't fix it :-)
[15:00:49] * Colourless doesn't have working mingw32 to build exult at the moment
[15:02:27] <wjp> ah well, let's just hope everything's still working then :-)
[15:02:38] <wjp> the Newfile_gump now uses unicode, btw
[15:04:18] <Colourless> so, lets see how much you've broken msvc :-)
[15:04:45] <Colourless> what version of gcc do you use btw?
[15:04:53] <wjp> 2.96-something
[15:04:59] <Colourless> i can tell
[15:05:03] <Colourless> can you guess how?
[15:05:07] <wjp> std::?
[15:05:12] <Colourless> indeed
[15:08:34] <wjp> I should upgrade to 3.1 sometime soon, I guess
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[16:40:54] <Fingolfin> re
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[16:40:59] <Colourless> hi
[16:41:04] <wjp> *phew*... Moonshade :-)
[16:41:05] <wjp> wb
[16:42:27] <wjp> I must say, everything is going pretty smoothly
[16:42:45] <wjp> quite a few minor annoyances, but hardly any real bugs
[16:42:50] <Colourless> other than the 12 bugs of yours in the tracker
[16:43:13] <wjp> :-)
[16:43:22] <wjp> 13 :-)
[16:43:45] <Colourless> oh, i'm sooo sorry, there was more than i thought ;-)
[16:44:18] <wjp> hehe :-)
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[17:03:13] <sbx> hi
[17:03:26] <Colourless> hi
[17:04:28] <sbx> so
[17:04:35] <sbx> how long does it take to go through SI?
[17:05:03] <Colourless> about 10 seconds if you cheat
[17:05:26] <sbx> if you dont cheat and youve never played before?
[17:05:48] <Colourless> if you've never played it, i would say maybe 2 weeks
[17:05:55] <sbx> aaaa
[17:05:56] <sbx> ck
[17:06:04] * sbx assumes wjp has played before and knows what he's doing then.
[17:06:31] <Colourless> wjp is probably about 1/4 the way through
[17:07:08] <sbx> *grumblegrumble*
[17:07:19] <sbx> :)
[17:07:25] <Colourless> why?
[17:07:38] <sbx> i can't do it over the weekend
[17:08:22] <Colourless> if you've never played before... it's very unlikely you'll be very far at all in the game after only 2 days
[17:08:30] <sbx> the weekend is only 2 days
[17:08:39] <sbx> i want to be finished
[17:09:37] <sbx> exult needs an option to finish the game for you
[17:09:51] * sbx clicks "Autoplay".
[17:09:57] <sbx> Avatar: "I have a bad feeling about this..."
[17:10:41] <Colourless> :-)
[17:11:06] <Colourless> autoplay would be something that you could spend years on just getting to work right :-)
[17:11:15] <wjp> I've done about 6-8 hours of playing yesterday, I think
[17:11:21] <wjp> and 1-2 today
[17:11:24] <sbx> :-)
[17:11:26] <sbx> :-(
[17:11:26] <wjp> 1/4 would be about right
[17:11:37] <sbx> do you have to keep going back and forth then?
[17:11:44] <sbx> since moonshade is on the other side of the island
[17:11:52] <sbx> kinda
[17:11:55] <wjp> never played it at all?
[17:12:02] <sbx> no
[17:12:07] <sbx> i got to fawn
[17:12:09] <Colourless> of course autoplay is in theory something that would be possible to do since you can work out what needs to be done next by looking at the flags
[17:12:15] * wjp will keep his mouth shut, then :-)
[17:12:28] <wjp> now go play it already :-)
[17:12:52] * sbx volunteers $random_developer to add Autoplay. *shrug*
[17:12:58] <sbx> i should play
[17:13:10] <Colourless> $random_developer returned NULL
[17:13:25] * sbx segfaults.
[17:13:31] <sbx> >:-\
[17:13:42] <Colourless> sbx seems to be a poorly written program
[17:14:26] <sbx> so poor that I am unable to play SI, therefore I need an autoplay feature
[17:14:30] <sbx> *shrug*
[17:14:32] <wjp> shouldn't you have thrown an exception instead of just returning NULL?
[17:14:53] <sbx> if the language has exceptions?
[17:18:41] <wjp> bbl, dinner
[17:20:13] <sbx> ok
[18:06:23] <wjp> back
[18:06:26] <Colourless> wb
[18:06:40] <wjp> only 11 bugs left :-(
[18:06:46] <wjp> ..must...find...more... :-)
[18:07:18] <sbx> wb
[18:07:41] <sbx> are any bugs left from the original?
[18:07:58] <sbx> (of the ones reported)
[18:08:45] <Colourless> explain in more detail what you mean by that
[18:10:42] <sbx> Have any of the bugs wjp has encountered and/or resolved been present in the original Serpent Isle, instead of just being introduced by Exult?
[18:10:59] <sbx> If wjp knows.
[18:11:00] <wjp> AFAICT all of them are Exult bugs
[18:11:38] <sbx> okay! just curious :-)
[18:11:47] * sbx was going to play the original anyway.
[18:11:52] <sbx> (first)
[18:13:03] <Colourless> bah, exult is better
[18:15:14] <sbx> ill play "emulated" mode after that and see if i notice any differences
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[19:06:08] <wjp> hi
[19:07:51] <xbs|sbx> hi
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[19:14:10] <Wumpus> :-)
[19:14:19] <wjp> :-)
[19:14:26] <Colourless> (-:
[19:25:15] <Kharza-kzad> gday :D
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[19:41:15] <xbs|sbx> hi Wumpus
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[20:59:52] * Wumpus grins at the lively conversation here :)
[21:00:02] <Wumpus> ... and goes in search of cake, deus ex, and bed :)
[21:00:14] <wjp> night :-)
[21:00:18] <Wumpus> not concurrently though... deus ex and bed concurrently isn'T possible for me just now, sigh
[21:00:19] <Wumpus> :)
[21:00:21] <Wumpus> g'night
[21:00:24] <Colourless> cya
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[21:19:50] <sbx|xbs> hmm gotta go
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[21:30:37] <wjp> oooh boy...
[21:30:54] <wjp> there's more than a dozen chickens in here
[21:30:59] <wjp> (Mad Mage's house)
[21:31:14] <Colourless> sounds like a bug to me
[21:31:58] <Kharza-kzad> whahaahha
[21:33:08] <wjp> hm... maybe we should output screenshots as .png
[21:33:18] <wjp> we're linking against libpng anyway
[21:33:47] <Colourless> actually we are not
[21:33:53] <Colourless> only exult studio links to libpng
[21:33:57] <wjp> ah, I see
[21:34:19] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/chickens.png
[21:34:39] <wjp> hm, is that the correct plural of chicken? it sounds slightly off somehow
[21:35:02] <Colourless> chickens is correct
[21:35:50] <Colourless> i think it's real obvious that's a bug :-)
[21:36:06] <wjp> yes :-)
[21:36:40] <Colourless> unless estram has managed to perfect chicken cloning
[21:36:47] <wjp> lol
[21:37:23] <Colourless> anyway i'm away for a few minutes
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[21:37:33] <wjp> http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/cave.png
[21:39:35] <wjp> yay... assertion failed
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[21:44:16] <wjp> ..and reproducable too
[21:44:19] <wjp> hi matto
[21:47:19] <matto|wookin> hey there
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[22:09:26] <wjp> hi Kirben
[22:09:35] <Kirben> Hi
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[22:25:15] * Darke pawwaves. Hi!
[22:27:09] <wjp> morning
[22:27:33] <wjp> remember that loop array change thingie?
[22:27:38] <Darke> Yep.
[22:27:44] <wjp> I put in an assert to make sure it didn't change by more than one
[22:27:52] <wjp> it's triggered when walking near Boydon's head, it seems
[22:28:10] <wjp> (function 075D, if you feel like looking at it)
[22:29:35] <Darke> Ouch.
[22:30:01] <wjp> I'm not entirely sure what that function is supposed to do
[22:31:43] <wjp> it loops body parts that are nearby, or something
[22:32:12] <wjp> and when the framenum of one of them is 0x12, it starts saying things, I guess
[22:32:45] <wjp> and afterwards it pops the return value of execute_usecode_array into the loop array
[22:35:53] * Darke hmms... can anyone else access the exult cvs? It's giving me an error about not being able to find 'rsh', I'm not sure if it's a 'this end' error or a error on the server. *grin*
[22:36:18] <wjp> did you set CVS_RSH?
[22:36:37] <wjp> works for me, btw
[22:37:06] <Darke> Nope. I've never had to before though, it's Just Worked(tm). I must have changed something somewhere...
[22:37:26] <wjp> export CVS_RSH=ssh
[22:37:53] <wjp> maybe you had a symlink from ssh to rsh or something?
[22:37:55] <Darke> Thanks, that worked.
[22:38:32] <Darke> It's possible. I don't remember removing one though, nor editing the profiles or something to remove an export similar.
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[22:43:51] <matto|wookin> bye DARKE
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[23:06:41] <wjp> hm, I should be going
[23:06:42] <wjp> 'night
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