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[04:16:11] <Elizabeth> anyone ever chat in here?
[04:16:12] <Elizabeth> lol
[04:22:27] <servus> We talk about shoes and things.
[04:52:54] <Baastuul> And goats.
[04:52:58] <Baastuul> We can never forget about goats!
[04:53:04] <Baastuul> And the shoes which goats find fashionable.
[04:53:26] <Baastuul> Servus, thank you for the song. I shall now listen to it quite vigorously.
[04:53:58] <Baastuul> Oh, geez. I just updated my Winamp to version 5.22 yesterday, and then today I get a notification saying that version 5.23 has just been released.
[04:54:49] <Baastuul> So, I found something interesting completely by chance today.
[04:55:09] <Baastuul> Are you guys familiar with that relatively new Coldplay song that's getting a lot of air time on radio stations featuring the semi-catchy and oft-repeated guitar riff?
[04:55:12] <Baastuul> I forget the name of the song.
[05:08:23] <Elizabeth> lol wow
[05:08:27] <Elizabeth> ppl are alive
[05:08:28] <Elizabeth> :D
[05:08:46] <Elizabeth> shoes are boring
[05:08:57] <Baastuul> I would have to agree.
[05:09:07] <Elizabeth> goats are only interesting insofar that they are in the infamous probability problem
[05:09:09] <Baastuul> But we speak of shoes and goats' shoes as if there will be no tomorrow!
[05:09:11] <Elizabeth> about the game show
[05:09:14] <Elizabeth> :D
[05:09:21] <Baastuul> Hmmm!
[05:09:28] <Baastuul> Well, goat milk is interesting.
[05:09:38] <Baastuul> And cheese crafted from such a milky substance.
[05:09:43] <Elizabeth> not really
[05:09:47] <Elizabeth> lol
[05:09:59] <Baastuul> Perhaps I am more attracted to the sound of the words.
[05:10:17] <Baastuul> I have never actually eaten goat cheese or drank goat milk, and the mere prospect of doing so sounds foul to me!
[05:10:45] <Elizabeth> as if its different than eating cow milk products?
[05:10:50] <Elizabeth> which should seem foul to ppl
[05:11:14] <Baastuul> I do not much care for dairy products, but because I've grown up PARTAKING IN THEIR FOULNESS, they do not seem as foul to me as partaking in the foulness of goat products.
[05:11:16] <Baastuul> http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=29&art_id=iol1149645968549A551
[05:11:30] <Elizabeth> lol exactly
[05:11:32] <Baastuul> Er, by dairy products, I mean cow-specific dairy products.
[05:11:56] <Elizabeth> you get used to even the most ridiculous thing and it doesnt strike you as foul no matter if it actually is
[05:11:58] <Elizabeth> hehe
[05:12:04] <Elizabeth> thats the way of the world for ya
[05:12:35] <Baastuul> Is this your first time in this channel, Elizabeth?
[05:20:16] <Baastuul> Why does this OpenOffice 2.2 installation say it is installing 2.0?
[05:20:19] <Baastuul> >:[
[05:20:36] <Baastuul> Oh, hang on, it's removing OpenOffice 2.0.
[05:21:10] <Elizabeth> yeah it is
[05:21:12] <Baastuul> But it says to wait while the Wizard installs 2.0. What a seeming CONTRADICTION.
[05:21:24] <Baastuul> Contraidición~
[05:21:24] <Elizabeth> my first time that is
[05:21:39] <Baastuul> Do you hail from the icy tundra of Greenland?
[05:22:13] <Elizabeth> you asking me?
[05:22:17] <Baastuul> Why, yes!
[05:22:26] <Elizabeth> lol no, why would you think that?
[05:22:30] <Baastuul> I don't know.
[05:22:32] <Elizabeth> Im from california
[05:22:37] <Baastuul> I guess deep down I long for some Greenlandic company.
[05:22:43] <Elizabeth> lol
[05:22:46] <Baastuul> :-O
[05:22:49] <Elizabeth> does anyone even live there?
[05:22:50] * Baastuul is in Washington.
[05:22:53] <Baastuul> Of course!
[05:23:00] <Elizabeth> i know iceland has ppl
[05:23:04] <Baastuul> Somewhere in the 10,000 to 15,000 range last I checked.
[05:23:08] <Elizabeth> i thought greenland was a sheet of ice
[05:23:19] <Baastuul> A good portion of it is, but around the coasts it's not too bad.
[05:23:39] <Baastuul> I once found a live webcam showing some parking lot belonging to a Nuuk parking lot.
[05:23:46] <Baastuul> (Nuuk is its capital city, it's also called Godthab.)
[05:24:16] <Baastuul> There is also a military base called Thule Air Force Base on Greenland's western coast!
[05:24:20] <Elizabeth> lol you are strange...goat cheese and greenland
[05:24:25] <Elizabeth> maybe you like g things
[05:24:40] <Baastuul> What a striking parallel!
[05:24:58] <Baastuul> Hey, I need to reboot.
[05:25:05] <Elizabeth> oh fine
[05:25:09] <Baastuul> And I'll probably take a few minutes longer while I install some crap.
[05:25:14] <Baastuul> Updating software and all that. :(
[05:25:15] <Elizabeth> hahahaha
[05:25:16] <Baastuul> I'll be back in a bit. :)
[05:25:17] <Elizabeth> like what?
[05:25:22] <Baastuul> OpenOffice and Winamp!
[05:25:26] <Elizabeth> ah
[05:25:32] <Elizabeth> k
[05:25:34] <Baastuul> k, bbiab :)
[05:25:36] <Elizabeth> have fun
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[06:00:54] <Baastuul> Hail!
[06:01:06] <Elizabeth> lol
[06:01:18] <Elizabeth> no one has said anything since you left
[06:02:43] <Baastuul> I shall slay them all where they stand!
[06:02:55] * Baastuul brandishes a dik-dik horn and repeatedly attempts to stab people with it.
[06:02:56] <Baastuul> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pando_%28Quaking_Aspen%29
[06:03:15] <Elizabeth> where in WA do you live anyway?
[06:05:07] <servus> So, what about the Coldplay song?
[06:05:15] <Baastuul> Eastern part, Elizabeth.
[06:05:22] <servus> I can give latitude and longitude.
[06:05:51] <Baastuul> Servus, I was sampling some Kraftwerk songs on Amazon today, and one of their songs, I think it was "Computer Love," had the same exact tune except with a synthesizer instead of a guitar.
[06:06:07] <Baastuul> And "Computer Love" was made in 1981, I think.
[06:06:37] <Baastuul> Do you know which Coldplay song I'm talking about?
[06:07:09] <Baastuul> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002GYI/qid=1149746802/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-0510813-7588042?s=music&v=glance&n=5174
[06:07:12] <Baastuul> Sample track 5 on there.
[06:07:12] <Elizabeth> no idea servus
[06:07:18] <servus> Of course. I told Darke of the Computer Love - Talk connection a few weeks ago.
[06:07:27] <Baastuul> :-O
[06:07:32] <Elizabeth> lol your coordinates are not necessary
[06:07:37] <Elizabeth> i was just wondering whereabouts
[06:07:38] <Baastuul> Crazy. I just found it completely by chance today, servus!
[06:07:49] <Baastuul> North of Spokane, Elizabeth. :)
[06:07:49] <Elizabeth> i have some family spread around up there
[06:07:49] <servus> I was listening to Kraftwerk and noticed it.
[06:07:55] <Baastuul> Do you have the full song, servus?
[06:08:01] <servus> Of both, yes.
[06:08:04] <Baastuul> Hmmmmmmm!
[06:08:04] <Elizabeth> but closer to the water I believe
[06:08:13] <Baastuul> May I request them, my good sir? :)
[06:08:20] <servus> No
[06:08:44] <Baastuul> Understandable!
[06:08:57] <Elizabeth> i was actually considering moving to WA for a short time...talking and looking at working for Boeing up there
[06:09:02] <Baastuul> When I heard that initial sample, I KNEW I had heard it somewhere.
[06:09:15] <Baastuul> Elizabeth, are you an aeronautical engineer?
[06:09:26] <Elizabeth> but then I got a chance to work on campus in a physics lab here which was perfect for me
[06:09:36] <Elizabeth> so I stayed put
[06:10:17] <Elizabeth> no, I was a cybernetics undergrad
[06:10:19] * servus is listening to European heavy metal concerning the exploits of Stargate SG-1.
[06:10:24] <Elizabeth> not MAE
[06:10:41] <Baastuul> MAE?
[06:10:54] <Elizabeth> mechanical and aerospace engineering
[06:10:57] <servus> HAMCAEK FOR MAE?
[06:10:58] <Elizabeth> thats what its called here
[06:10:59] <Baastuul> haha
[06:11:01] <Baastuul> k!
[06:11:07] <Baastuul> I have a friend who goes to Embry-Riddle.
[06:11:08] <Elizabeth> I did have to take a little MAE coursework tho
[06:11:11] <Elizabeth> for cybernetics
[06:11:12] <Baastuul> She's studying to be an aeronautical engineer.
[06:11:13] <Elizabeth> but not a lot
[06:11:42] <Baastuul> What year in college are you?
[06:11:44] <Elizabeth> mainly just feedback and control systems stuff
[06:12:10] <Elizabeth> Im graduated for my BS and havent started a grad program yet
[06:12:16] <Elizabeth> I want to do physics for grad tho
[06:12:41] <Elizabeth> so Im auditing some upper div physics classes now while I work in the lab
[06:12:45] <Baastuul> Ahhh
[06:12:50] <Baastuul> Did you just graduate this spring?
[06:12:53] <Elizabeth> trying to prepare for the physics gre and whatnot
[06:13:22] <Elizabeth> no I graduated in 2001...was recruited by Northrop/TRW to do some AI R&D project when I was a senior
[06:13:37] <Elizabeth> so I went there but then that funding fell through and the project I got stuck on sucked
[06:13:47] <Elizabeth> so after a few years of that I quit
[06:13:52] <Baastuul> Ahhh
[06:13:52] <Baastuul> What was the project
[06:13:52] <Baastuul> ?
[06:14:01] <Elizabeth> and now Im trying to get back into school
[06:14:38] <Baastuul> I just finished my first year as an English major!
[06:14:40] <Elizabeth> it was an AI R&D project...dont know much more than that...as they are all classified projects so you only know what you need to know
[06:14:48] <Elizabeth> that is...whatever you are wokring on
[06:14:53] <Baastuul> Although TECHNICALLY it's my second year because I did college classes while in high school.
[06:14:57] <Elizabeth> and since the funding was cut I lost my spot on the project
[06:15:04] <Baastuul> :(
[06:15:08] <Baastuul> What's R&D stand for?
[06:15:15] <Elizabeth> they then asked me to write up an idea I had for an AI project as a DARPA proposal
[06:15:53] <Baastuul> Oh, research and development
[06:16:11] <Elizabeth> but the deadline was way too soon to get anyone to actually price anything...which was somethign I couldnt do
[06:16:20] <Elizabeth> but Im glad I didnt fall for that
[06:16:37] <Elizabeth> the longer I worked there I realized it would have been a bad idea
[06:16:51] <Baastuul> Have you applied for the GRE yet?
[06:16:54] <Elizabeth> b/c then they would be able to own my ideas essentially
[06:17:07] <Elizabeth> and if I ever wanted to apply them to something later I wouldnt be able to
[06:17:19] <Baastuul> You should become a MAD SCIENTIST.
[06:17:27] <Baastuul> And create an entire mansion full of automata.
[06:17:32] <Elizabeth> hell no...Im not ready for the GRE yet...the Physics subject GRE that is
[06:17:46] <Baastuul> What degree did you get when you graduated?
[06:17:46] <Elizabeth> thats why Im boning up on my physics right now
[06:17:53] <Elizabeth> cybernetics
[06:18:10] <Baastuul> Oh, I thought maybe it would have been under a different title for some reason.
[06:18:31] <Elizabeth> ?
[06:18:35] <Elizabeth> what do you mean?
[06:18:49] <Baastuul> I saw you had mentioned you studied cybernetics, but for some reason it didn't click with me that the name of the degree itself would be "Cybernetics."
[06:18:58] <Elizabeth> ah
[06:18:59] <Elizabeth> lol
[06:19:04] <Baastuul> o(^_________^)o
[06:19:05] <Elizabeth> yeah its really really small
[06:19:11] <Elizabeth> and rare to have
[06:19:17] <Elizabeth> we may be the only uni to have it
[06:19:20] <Baastuul> I bet it was tough getting that degree!
[06:19:24] <Baastuul> What university did you get it from?
[06:19:26] <Elizabeth> it only graduates like 10 ppl a year on avg
[06:19:28] <Baastuul> :O
[06:19:32] <Elizabeth> ucla
[06:19:35] <Baastuul> The best and the brightest of the academy!
[06:19:43] <Baastuul> The finest of Earth!
[06:19:49] <Baastuul> Pioneers of the future!
[06:20:05] * Baastuul stands proudly as jets fly over him and as he is immortalized in recruitment posters.
[06:20:10] <Elizabeth> http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~cyber/
[06:20:13] <Baastuul> OPENANG.
[06:20:21] <Elizabeth> thats the main page for it
[06:20:28] <Baastuul> http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~cyber/images/DiStefanoArticle.jpg
[06:20:32] <Baastuul> Have you met this fellow before?
[06:20:40] <Elizabeth> lol yeah
[06:20:44] <Elizabeth> he started the program
[06:20:47] <Elizabeth> he is the head of it
[06:21:02] <Baastuul> What do you think of him?
[06:21:08] <Elizabeth> he is pretty cool
[06:21:08] <Baastuul> He kind of has that mad scientist look about him!
[06:21:12] <Baastuul> And he looks a little bit French.
[06:21:14] <Elizabeth> a bit eccentric
[06:21:52] <Baastuul> hehehe
[06:21:57] <Baastuul> Yuck, I'm looking at the classes you need to take for this.
[06:21:58] <Elizabeth> he is really into biosystems and computation/computer systems concerning biosystems
[06:22:01] <Baastuul> I can't believe you survived all of that.
[06:22:08] <Elizabeth> that wasnt my main interest in cybernetics
[06:22:14] <Elizabeth> I was more into AI
[06:22:58] <Elizabeth> one area of research I am interested in in physics is quantum computation for use in AI systems
[06:23:48] <Baastuul> When did you decide you wanted to do cybernetics?
[06:25:30] <Elizabeth> well I was math applied physics and chemistry but I wanted to add some engineering and computer science and biochem as well...but as it was my major was so long...but I wanted some more practical basis in my major b/c I knew I wanted my phd in physics but I didnt want to get lost in theory
[06:25:56] <Elizabeth> and I have always loved how areas apply to one another in interesting ways
[06:26:06] <Elizabeth> and those are the things I like to study
[06:26:18] <Elizabeth> but that requires knowledge of all the relevant areas
[06:26:43] <Elizabeth> I finally found cybernetics by chance and luck (it wasnt well advertised back then)
[06:26:50] <Baastuul> Were you considered a MATHEMATICAL PRODIGY by your peers and parents while growing up?
[06:26:51] <Elizabeth> and I was like...omfg...thats perfect
[06:27:44] <Elizabeth> lol no Im not prodigy....I just have always done well...and was always way ahead...like I was the only feshman entering to pass out of 4 of 6 of the base math series
[06:27:55] <Elizabeth> but honestly it didnt help me a whole lot I found
[06:28:43] <Baastuul> I am unfamiliar with this "4 of 6 of the base math series"!
[06:28:49] <Elizabeth> b/c while I was able to pattern match and do well on things I didnt fully understand...by the time I got to fully theoretical classes...b/c of the jargon alone I was lost
[06:28:51] <Baastuul> Is it just some California thing?
[06:29:19] <Elizabeth> i never had really studied...I just figured things out...but when you come to a point you really need to understand
[06:30:28] <Elizabeth> then its a problem :)
[06:31:01] <Baastuul> hehehe
[06:31:12] <Elizabeth> so passing out of so many classes only made it harder for me once I hit upper div
[06:31:52] <Elizabeth> but oh well...just meant I had to go back and actually understand what I was supposed to have known all along
[06:31:53] <Elizabeth> lol
[06:32:20] <Elizabeth> well there are 6 classes in the lower div series
[06:32:30] <Elizabeth> that are required for all science and engineering majors
[06:32:48] <Elizabeth> like calc1, 2, 3, 4, LA, and DE
[06:32:52] <Elizabeth> I passed into LA
[06:35:19] <Baastuul> What's LA and DE stand for?
[06:35:32] <Baastuul> Keep in mind that you're tossing a lot of acronyms at me that I'm not familiar with. :)
[06:36:42] <Elizabeth> lol
[06:36:43] <Elizabeth> sorry
[06:36:48] <Elizabeth> linear algebra
[06:36:55] <Elizabeth> differential equations
[06:38:01] <Baastuul> k!
[06:38:13] <Baastuul> What was the most difficult math class for you?
[06:39:57] <Elizabeth> hm, either upper div classical mechanics or upper div quantum mechanics when I took them like sophomore year without adequate background
[06:40:14] <Elizabeth> in particular the math
[06:40:28] <Elizabeth> thats when I realized I had a lot of work to do
[06:40:33] <Elizabeth> lol
[06:41:12] <Elizabeth> school went from easy common sense crap to stuff that required sufficient background overnight
[06:42:32] <Elizabeth> the problem is that while the lower coursework had at least a fair amt of the background necessary it didnt teach it in the same format as the upper div theoretical coureworks used
[06:43:58] <Elizabeth> it went from mickey mouse coursework style to very strict and theoretical style all in one leap
[06:44:04] <Elizabeth> you know what I mean?
[06:44:28] <Elizabeth> lower div it was like plug and chug crap problems
[06:44:32] <Baastuul> Yup!
[06:44:39] <Elizabeth> nothing that would prepare you for the upper div work
[06:44:49] <Baastuul> Do you think the college did a poor job of transitioning lower division coursework to upper division coursework?
[06:45:01] <Elizabeth> yes
[06:45:26] * Baastuul hands you a gun.
[06:45:27] <Elizabeth> except I would go more with horrid
[06:45:31] <Baastuul> I do believe you ought to slay a few people.
[06:45:41] <Baastuul> Did a lot of students wash out?
[06:46:20] <Elizabeth> well that made me get more into education reform than I had been previously...and I was already pretty into it
[06:46:36] <Elizabeth> I tutored a lot
[06:46:42] <Elizabeth> esp HS students
[06:46:56] <Baastuul> Education reform? In what regard?
[06:47:07] <Elizabeth> fixing how things are taught
[06:47:12] <Baastuul> Well, I mean specifically. :)
[06:47:14] <Elizabeth> esp math and sciences
[06:47:23] <Baastuul> Math and sciences as taught in the public education system?
[06:48:03] <Elizabeth> um, maybe just public...I havent seen that private is any better
[06:48:21] <Baastuul> What specifically about the programs would you like to see reformed?
[06:49:18] <Elizabeth> well, nearly everything...lol...but what I will actually work on changing will depend on where I end up after I have my phd
[06:50:02] <Elizabeth> hopefully I will get a faculty position somewhere where I can test methods and be involved in groups that work to study and reform the education standards
[06:50:06] <Baastuul> If all goes well, what year do you intend on getting your Ph.D.?
[06:50:09] <Elizabeth> it would of course be in physics
[06:50:18] <Elizabeth> since thats what I want to study for my phd
[06:50:56] <Elizabeth> but if a standard is shown to be extremely useful it can get picked up across disciplines
[06:51:39] <Elizabeth> well I want to start a JD in fall 2007...im taking the lsat in fall and applying...then I will start my phd in the 2 or 3 year of law school most likely
[06:52:19] <Baastuul> Wait... You're also studying to be a lawyer?
[06:52:24] <Baastuul> Or is this all part of the education reform stuff?
[06:52:52] <Elizabeth> no i dont want to be a lawyer, and yes it is in part b/c of the education reform
[06:53:01] <Baastuul> What is the other part of it?
[06:53:12] <Baastuul> You seem to be quite the Renaissance Woman! :)
[06:53:22] <Elizabeth> law is taught in a very unique fashion...and one that I think could be very useful applied to other areas
[06:54:33] <Baastuul> Even in physics and cybernetics?
[06:54:34] <Elizabeth> esp the math and sciences
[06:54:49] <Elizabeth> and law is a very good study in general
[06:55:06] <Elizabeth> very useful overall
[06:55:11] <Elizabeth> and fascinating
[06:55:25] <Baastuul> I know this is pretty bad to say, and I of course understand its importance and appreciate it greatly, but I can't stand studying law.
[06:55:45] <Elizabeth> lol
[06:56:29] <Elizabeth> well it helps I find it fascinating...and its a great mind excercise...keeps the mind sharp :D
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[06:57:40] <Baastuul> :D
[06:57:42] <Baastuul> ESS BEE ECKS
[06:58:00] <Baastuul> Elizabeth, have you taken many philosophy classes?
[06:58:50] <Elizabeth> unfortunately I have
[06:58:56] <Elizabeth> well not a lot
[06:59:02] <Elizabeth> I learned my lesson after one
[06:59:17] <Baastuul> :o
[06:59:18] <Baastuul> Explain!
[07:00:56] <Elizabeth> well basically I learned that those who teach and study "philosophy" are completely void of any knowledge of any topic they blindly discuss to death b/c all they study are past philosophical writings
[07:01:10] <SB-X> :o
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[07:01:40] <Elizabeth> so they read some crap from 400 years ago that discusses a physical phenomenon that we know 10 billion times more on now
[07:02:00] <Elizabeth> and they adopt that as the truth about it
[07:02:02] <Baastuul> Not necessarily. I don't deny that there are a good many philosophy majors and professors who really don't know much, but so far my experience with my current philosophy professor is only positive.
[07:02:28] <Baastuul> He's pretty good about knowing when something is bunk and when something has validity for the modern age.
[07:02:45] <Elizabeth> well maybe you got lucky
[07:02:48] <Baastuul> But "philosophy" is really one of those things that can turn people into elitist snobs!
[07:03:01] <Elizabeth> or maybe you dont know enough to know if he is full of crap either
[07:03:15] <Baastuul> That's a possibility!
[07:03:34] <Baastuul> But the reason why I asked the question initially was because if you're getting into law, philosophy is a pretty good chunk of that.
[07:03:49] <Elizabeth> well philosophy as a major is sort of retarded in and of itself if you think about it...I mean to be a philosopher of something you are assumed to have a ton of knowledge in an area
[07:04:04] <Baastuul> In either case, I'll be back in half an hour. :)
[07:04:21] <Elizabeth> hence why PhD in doctor of philosophy in Such and such area
[07:05:18] <Elizabeth> that person has so much knowledge in that area they are considered to be at a level where they could essentially make philosophical judgements regarding the area
[07:05:41] <Elizabeth> so wtf is a PhD of philosophy?
[07:06:11] <Elizabeth> from what Ive seen they just study old philosophical ideas
[07:07:25] <Elizabeth> which is incredibly pointless and ironic as hell b/c they truly consider themselves philosophers when in fact all they did was study philosophers
[07:07:40] <Elizabeth> which does nothing to make you one
[07:07:58] <Elizabeth> and law is not philosophy
[07:07:59] <Elizabeth> lol
[07:08:07] <Elizabeth> there is ethics in law
[07:11:24] <Elizabeth> well restated a little better: the current study of philosophy has nothing to do with the law....b/c the study as far as Ive seen is ridiculous and stupid...now philosophy in its original concept that could apply to law
[07:11:32] <Elizabeth> but that isnt what you were referring to
[07:11:50] <Elizabeth> you were referring to the current study of it
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[07:33:51] <Baastuul> Harro, harro.
[07:39:15] <Elizabeth> hey
[07:39:22] <Elizabeth> whered you run off to?
[07:39:48] <Baastuul> I went and watched Becker! :)
[07:39:54] <Baastuul> Sorry to scoot out like that.
[07:39:57] <Baastuul> It's my weekday ritual.
[07:40:00] <Baastuul> Weeknight, I guess.
[07:40:05] <Baastuul> Yeah, it's a sad ritual. :p
[07:40:17] <Elizabeth> hahahahahaha
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[07:46:58] <Baastuul> How long have you been in California?
[07:47:44] <SB-X> :o
[07:47:44] <Elizabeth> forever
[07:47:48] <Elizabeth> lol
[07:47:55] <Elizabeth> grew up in norcal
[07:48:01] <Elizabeth> been in socal since college
[07:50:01] <Baastuul> Servus is in California!
[07:51:26] <Elizabeth> whereabouts?
[07:54:10] <Baastuul> I think San Diego about, but I could be mistaken!
[07:54:30] <Elizabeth> how does everyone in here know each other anyway?
[07:56:43] <Baastuul> We hiked up Mount Everest once.
[07:56:50] <Baastuul> And then we all ate the others who are not with us today.
[07:57:00] <Baastuul> We are the sole remainders of a doomed expedition.
[07:57:01] * wjp scrolls up and up and up; what happened in here? :-)
[07:57:44] * wjp even spots some mathematical terms; wow :-)
[07:58:12] <Elizabeth> hahahahahahha
[07:58:24] <Elizabeth> nice Baastuul
[07:58:34] * Elizabeth makes note never to go on excursion with ppl in here
[07:58:58] <Elizabeth> lol hey wjp
[07:59:25] <Baastuul> Wjp, I think you and Elizabeth would have a lot to talk about!
[08:00:06] <Baastuul> In fact, my dearest Willem, my delightful daughter Elizabeth is a most prodigious student of the mathematical arts. I do believe you two would be excellent for each other. Would you agree to terms of marriage to ensure the peace between our two kingdoms?
[08:00:39] * Baastuul whispers some inaudible words into the ear of his shifty-looking court sorceror whose name happens to actually be Pete.
[08:00:45] <Elizabeth> lol
[08:00:53] * wjp grins
[08:01:47] <wjp> there's a number theory workshop across the street where I'm supposed to be in about 30 minutes; so I can't stick around
[08:02:07] <Baastuul> You can't stick around? Is this how you treat all the wives whom I marry off to you?
[08:02:32] * Baastuul is suddenly sent into a terrifyingly uncontrollable rage, sending him smacking goblets and platters off the banquet hall table in a maddened freenzy!
[08:02:42] <Baastuul> Frenzy.
[08:02:43] <Elizabeth> no ones marrying anyone off around here
[08:02:43] <Baastuul> -_-
[08:02:45] <wjp> considering that 'all' here indicates an empty set, I think I can answer 'yes' to that :-)
[08:02:47] <Elizabeth> esp me
[08:02:48] <Elizabeth> lol
[08:03:08] <Baastuul> You're all plotting against me! You're all treacherous dogs!
[08:03:11] * Baastuul defenstrates himself!
[08:03:19] <Elizabeth> wjp you have number theory workshops where you are? wtf? lucky
[08:03:30] <Baastuul> The glories of Holland!
[08:03:47] <Elizabeth> what do you get to do at a workshop?
[08:05:28] <Baastuul> Learn the subtle art of marrying unstable kings' daughters!
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[08:06:24] <weedar> Gooooood morning #exult! :)
[08:07:13] <Elizabeth> hey
[08:07:26] <Elizabeth> damn youre happy for it being morning
[08:07:31] <Elizabeth> i hate mornings
[08:07:31] <Elizabeth> lol
[08:07:57] <Baastuul> Norskmann!
[08:08:01] <SB-X> hi weedar
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[08:08:25] <SB-X> hi Cahaan
[08:08:34] <wjp> Elizabeth: lectures, exercises, discussions about the exercise; things like that
[08:09:11] <weedar> Elizabeth: I just got an internet connection after being deprived for several weeks. This is the best thing since sliced bread
[08:10:03] <Elizabeth> what is the workshop's main purpose?
[08:10:22] <Elizabeth> like is it to discuss some new idea in the area?
[08:10:26] <Elizabeth> or something else?
[08:10:48] <Elizabeth> hahah weedar, what happened? why the loss of connection?
[08:10:51] * SB-X tries to look at new posts on the forum and almost realizes its all spam.
[08:11:17] <SB-X> -almost
[08:11:40] <SB-X> by the same registered poster
[08:11:44] <Sevalecan> SB-X-almost
[08:11:46] <Sevalecan> ;|
[08:11:51] <weedar> Elizabeth: We (me & my gf) moved out from an apartment, there is about 3 weeks delivery for Internet Connections here
[08:12:07] <wjp> spam...
[08:12:10] * wjp sighs and gets to work
[08:12:27] <weedar> Is there any activity on the mailing list?
[08:12:46] <SB-X> Sevalecan: yeah i was going to type something else and forgot to delete almost :)
[08:13:02] <SB-X> he even responded to the post about spammers
[08:13:19] <Elizabeth> make the forum require login to post :P - may help a little
[08:14:05] <wjp> we're catching over 90% of spam posts already I think
[08:16:14] <weedar> It is slightly amusing that there is a spam message at the end of the "spammers gone nuts"-thread =)
[08:17:00] <Elizabeth> do you guys get irc spammers at all?
[08:17:13] <Baastuul> I do not understand their mentality, no.
[08:17:15] <Baastuul> ¬¬
[08:17:44] <Elizabeth> oh come on, you were 12 once
[08:17:44] <weedar> I never get IRC spammers, but apparently alot of SEXY HOT teens want me to check out their homepages
[08:17:45] <Elizabeth> lol
[08:17:59] <Elizabeth> hahahahaha weedar
[08:18:30] <Baastuul> I am eternally twelve years old.
[08:18:43] * Baastuul is stuck in a permanent stasis which keeps his mind and body stuck as pre-adolescent.
[08:18:59] * Baastuul shrieks in a cracking voice!
[08:20:36] <weedar> wow, that's strikingly similar to the Time Lord
[08:24:05] * Elizabeth is lost
[08:24:19] * SB-X shatters Baastuul's time stasis barrier.
[08:24:52] <Baastuul> thx
[08:25:08] <Baastuul> Oh, I guess we never did answer your initial question.
[08:25:10] <SB-X> i dont think it worked :p
[08:25:18] <Baastuul> ("Your" being Elizabeth.)
[08:25:21] <Baastuul> We all like Ultima 7.
[08:25:21] * weedar sells Elizabeth a decent map of near-inferior quality
[08:25:38] <Baastuul> And Ultima 7 was a pain to get running on most computers.
[08:25:47] <Baastuul> So Exult is a program which lets you run Ultima 7 easily in Windows.
[08:26:32] <Elizabeth> yeah i saw something like that when I came across the site
[08:26:44] <Elizabeth> i was just wondering if you all knew each other prior to doing that
[08:27:14] <Baastuul> Not I!
[08:27:29] <Baastuul> Although SB-X was my court eunuch.
[08:27:37] <Baastuul> He would sing to me in his lovely angelic voice.
[08:29:44] <Elizabeth> so how did you come to find out about it then?
[08:29:57] <Elizabeth> i take it you are one of the ppl working on it?
[08:31:48] <SB-X> I'm not a eunuch.
[08:32:00] <SB-X> I just have a high voice.
[08:32:06] <Elizabeth> lol
[08:32:39] <Baastuul> Oh, no, I'm not a programmer. I'm just a fan of the game!
[08:32:52] <Baastuul> I hang out in the channel and make idle conversation!
[08:33:28] <Elizabeth> ah ok
[08:33:45] <Elizabeth> so you found it b/c you wanted to use it I imagine
[08:34:30] <Baastuul> I actually forget how I found out about it. :9
[08:34:31] <Baastuul> :(
[08:34:44] <Baastuul> But I do imagine it was not far from me wanting to play Ultima 7 without having to mess with DOS! :)
[08:36:11] <Elizabeth> hahaha
[08:36:18] <Elizabeth> damn this must be one old game
[08:36:26] <weedar> '93
[08:36:42] <weedar> How did YOU get here if you haven't heard about the game Elizabeth? :)
[08:37:11] <Baastuul> Weedar, '92, actually! :)
[08:37:21] <Baastuul> Serpent Isle was '93, though!
[08:37:25] <weedar> darn. I actually said '92 when we talked the other day
[08:37:34] <weedar> and I have the IRC logs to prove it
[08:37:38] <Baastuul> Your faulty Norwegian ways tire me!
[08:37:44] * Baastuul orders weedar to be executed at dawn!
[08:38:06] <weedar> well, "Master English", you might be some sort of weird distant cousin of Lord British but...
[08:38:38] * weedar pauses for dramatic effect
[08:38:38] <Baastuul> My name is not Master English! My name is Mastair Alesdairlish!
[08:38:42] <Baastuul> Master English is my cousin!
[08:38:45] <Baastuul> He is a sybarite.
[08:38:55] <weedar> Oh I'm sorry to hear that, is it contagious?
[08:39:04] <Baastuul> I suppose a love of luxury is contagious.
[08:39:29] <Elizabeth> lol i forget what i was searching for but the exult site came up at some point and I saw that one of the dudes who is involved is a ucla grad and then I noticed the other ppl seemed pretty interesting to...and I more found the work they were doing interesting...I sort of forgot about the reason for it all
[08:39:54] <Elizabeth> anyway since Im always all over irc I figure why not come check it out
[08:40:11] <weedar> "why not" is the universal Best Reason to do stuff
[08:41:03] <Elizabeth> lol
[08:41:35] <weedar> Your use of a period on IRC is impressive Baastuul
[08:41:50] <Elizabeth> i could use a new irc channel I figured anyway...Im a bit tired of the typical places I go these days
[08:42:09] <Baastuul> Weedar, I was tempted to make a joke about me having supposed menstruation cycles, but I refrained. :/
[08:42:41] <weedar> jokes about menstruating can get bloody
[08:42:50] * Baastuul rimshots.
[08:42:52] * Baastuul kills you.
[08:42:54] <Elizabeth> lol
[08:42:57] * Baastuul kills you with his drumsticks.
[08:43:15] * weedar stabs Baastuul with love
[08:43:30] * Baastuul kills you with his drumsticks which are enormous and help propel him through the woods like El Pollo Diablo in the jungles outside of Puerto Pollo on Plunder Island.
[08:43:46] <Elizabeth> how long has this channel been around?
[08:43:48] <weedar> Baastuul: look behind you, a three-headed monkey!
[08:43:53] <Baastuul> It is older than time itself!
[08:44:04] <Baastuul> The prophecies are true!
[08:44:07] * weedar suffocates Baastuul with a shrubbery
[08:44:08] * Baastuul shrieks like Madame Xima.
[08:44:17] <Baastuul> Hey, no fair bringing in Monty Python references to Monkey Island.
[08:44:34] <weedar> :(
[08:44:57] <weedar> What if I give you a great price on Port-hole defoggers?
[08:45:20] <Baastuul> No, but I'll take those fine leather jackets.
[08:45:50] <weedar> Hm, I believe that one actually started out in Indiana Jones...
[08:46:53] <weedar> I can hear you from here trying to come up with other MI-references
[08:46:55] <Elizabeth> wait does EA really own this game?
[08:47:14] <Baastuul> Technically, yeah.
[08:47:14] <weedar> but no way can you get a rubber-chicken with a pulley in the middle into this conversation
[08:47:22] <Elizabeth> wow
[08:47:25] <Elizabeth> thats too bad
[08:47:39] <weedar> Elizabeth: which is why Exult is only a game engine, you need the original game to play Exult
[08:47:51] * Baastuul uses the rubber chicken with the wooden pulley in the middle to slide across the power pole to escape weedar.
[08:48:01] <Elizabeth> well sure
[08:48:04] <weedar> wait, it was wooden?
[08:48:07] <Elizabeth> i figured that
[08:48:08] <Baastuul> Yeah.
[08:48:11] <Baastuul> What else would it be?
[08:48:25] <weedar> maybe, eew, porcelain? *shivers*
[08:48:41] <Baastuul> I once spoke with Dominic Armato online, actually.
[08:48:48] <Baastuul> I asked him if there was a hidden meaning behind the porcelain thing.
[08:48:50] <Baastuul> He said no. :(
[08:49:03] <Baastuul> He used to come to #Monkey-Island on DALnet a while back.
[08:49:07] <Baastuul> Not often, but he made a couple of appearances.
[08:49:09] <Elizabeth> so there is no newer version of the game that isnt DOS?
[08:49:39] <Baastuul> Elizabeth, nope, but it doesn't really matter. You can get any copy of the game pretty much, copy its contents to the hard drive, install Exult, and then play it.
[08:50:22] <Baastuul> I have the Ultima 7 which comes with one of the EA Compilation discs, but I don't use that one anymore. I use the one I got from the Ultima Collection, which includes all of the expansion packs and Serpent Isle.
[08:50:34] <weedar> I wish EA would either release it as freeware (like U4) or allow downloading from their website, for a small fee. The game isn't big so it wouldn't really cost them much bandwidth or server space
[08:51:11] <weedar> EA Compilation Disc is the one with other EA games, right? Like an airplane-sim among others?
[08:51:34] <Elizabeth> i get it Baastuul Im just surprised
[08:51:55] <Elizabeth> is there some reason why one was never made?
[08:52:04] <Baastuul> Weedar, yeah, and Ultima Underworld (which I was never able to get run).
[08:52:21] <Baastuul> Elizabeth, "one" what?
[08:52:36] <Baastuul> A Windows port of the game?
[08:53:22] <Elizabeth> a newer version of the game
[08:53:27] <Elizabeth> that wasnt DOS based
[08:53:32] <Elizabeth> if it was so popular
[08:53:41] <Elizabeth> im surprised they didnt capitalize on that
[08:54:21] <Baastuul> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_7#Technical_issues
[08:55:06] <Baastuul> This also explains some interesting things if you're ever interested: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/14/4
[08:55:34] <Baastuul> But basically, a lot of things were working against Origin
[08:56:04] <Baastuul> It's kinda one of those things where it's easy to look back in hindsight and say they should've made a non-DOS version, but a LOT of things were working against them.
[08:57:21] <Baastuul> Origin was bought out by EA in 1992 not too long after Ultima 7 was made, and a lot of the subsequent Ultimas were poorer in quality... basically EA was crap at handling things
[08:57:33] <Baastuul> is crap, I should say :D
[08:57:56] <Baastuul> And by the time any ideas of porting Ultima 7 to Windows could possibly even come to light, Origin was barely surviving, I'd say!
[09:00:30] <Baastuul> I actually never realized that a lot of Ultima 7's main plot elements were attacks on EA until recently.
[09:00:35] <weedar> me neither :)
[09:00:36] <Baastuul> For some reason it never even crossed my mind. :p
[09:01:03] <Elizabeth> yeah EA is pretty much an answer in and of itself
[09:04:19] <weedar> major progress in my U7O-fork Baastuul, now the main window has the words "Ultima 7 Online" instead of "Exult Ultima Engine"
[09:04:29] <Baastuul> hehee
[09:04:58] <Elizabeth> so are you all gaming obsessed in general? or is it just this game?
[09:05:21] <weedar> I really don't have time for computer games anymore..This is basically it for me :)
[09:05:22] <Baastuul> A little bit of both for me. :)
[09:05:32] <Baastuul> But, yeah, I don't play games nearly as much as I used to.
[09:05:41] <Baastuul> Most of my computer time is spent on IRC or typing papers or something. :(
[09:06:09] <Baastuul> I like to keep an eye out on the games that come out, and if something really grabs me, I go ahead and buy it.
[09:06:22] <Baastuul> But it seems like my ability to get hooked and addicted on games is really waning.
[09:07:05] <Baastuul> Have you ever been obsessed with a game before, Elizabeth@
[09:07:05] <Baastuul> !
[09:08:16] <Elizabeth> lol no, my attn span is too short to be obsessed with a game
[09:08:23] <Elizabeth> they are fun to play sometimes
[09:08:46] <Elizabeth> but i could never get that into one
[09:24:25] <Elizabeth> did everyone pass out on me now?
[09:24:34] <Elizabeth> all b/c Im not obsessed with a game?!?
[09:24:36] <Elizabeth> sheesh
[09:24:37] <Elizabeth> lol
[09:54:18] <Baastuul> I was watching an episode of Due South!
[09:54:21] <Baastuul> And I'm going to watch another!
[09:56:55] <Elizabeth> wtf is Due South?
[10:38:54] <weedar> treason, but it's not too late to repent Baastuul
[10:42:26] <Baastuul> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_South
[10:42:47] * Baastuul slices open weedar's belly and examines the contents of his newly-exposed bowels.
[10:42:48] <Baastuul> Intriguing!
[10:46:24] * weedar performs a bowel-movement
[10:46:24] <weedar> I'm like a lava-lamp, only with..bowel-contents
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[10:51:12] <Elizabeth> bah i need to sleep soon
[10:51:31] <Elizabeth> trying to help some dude in #math who is asking for help like 2 minutes before a final
[10:51:32] <Elizabeth> lol
[10:51:36] <Elizabeth> stuuupid
[11:01:48] <weedar> I'm glad I'm not him
[11:28:55] <Baastuul> Same here!
[11:31:27] <Baastuul> Looks like it's official. Al-Zarqawi is dead.
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[12:01:54] <SB-X> :o
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[20:41:59] <Baastuul> HAIL TO THEE, FAIR ADVENTURER.
[20:48:37] <weedar> WHAT? I COULDN'T QUITE GET THAT. YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP!
[20:49:14] <Baastuul> HAIL TO THEE, FAIR ADVENTURER.
[20:50:13] <weedar> Oh, "fair" adventurer, that makes much more sense than chair adventurer
[20:51:03] <weedar> although, truth, I am but a simple chair-adventurer
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[20:52:29] <Baastuul> :-O
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[23:27:40] <Elizabeth> hehe no talking in here again
[23:28:16] <Baastuul> Yap!
[23:28:51] <Elizabeth> hehe I thought you might be lurking
[23:31:42] <Elizabeth> how was your day?
[23:31:44] <Elizabeth> did you work?
[23:31:54] <Baastuul> Nah, I have Tuesdays and Thursdays off for the most part.
[23:32:01] <Baastuul> I'm taking summer class to get ahead a bit with college work, though.
[23:32:08] <Baastuul> Although I have been typing up a study guide and all that.
[23:32:11] <Baastuul> I've got an exam tomorrow. :(
[23:32:13] <Elizabeth> ah you an undergrad?
[23:32:24] <Baastuul> Yup. In the fall I'll be beginning my second year as an English major.
[23:32:33] <Elizabeth> ah wow youre a youngin
[23:32:34] <Elizabeth> lol
[23:32:46] <Baastuul> I am but nineteen cycles of our orb around the Day Star!
[23:32:49] <Elizabeth> english majors know how to use irc?
[23:32:51] <Elizabeth> hahaha
[23:32:52] <Elizabeth> jk
[23:32:55] <Baastuul> hehe
[23:33:00] <Baastuul> I've been using IRC since I was 11!
[23:33:10] <Elizabeth> lol
[23:33:18] <Elizabeth> irc wasnt around when I was 11
[23:33:29] <Elizabeth> well at least I dont think it was
[23:33:36] <Elizabeth> I used it for the first time at 19
[23:33:48] <Baastuul> :o
[23:34:30] <Elizabeth> youre at the age of fake id's
[23:34:30] <Elizabeth> hehe
[23:34:34] <Elizabeth> god that was annoying
[23:34:40] <Baastuul> haha
[23:34:41] <Elizabeth> I hated having to use fake id's
[23:35:01] <Baastuul> Actually, I'm pretty much a hermit without any desire to drink alcohol or go to night clubs, so I don't have any stress to get a fake ID. :)
[23:35:09] <Elizabeth> lol
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[23:35:21] <Elizabeth> yeah I was that person who HAD to go out every night
[23:35:23] <Elizabeth> hehe
[23:35:28] <Baastuul> haha
[23:35:30] <Elizabeth> I was social chair of a sorority too
[23:35:32] <Baastuul> :O
[23:35:37] <Elizabeth> go figure
[23:35:56] <Elizabeth> I nearly became president of the entire row
[23:35:58] <Baastuul> Well, I would probably be much more social if I actually lived on campus. :0
[23:36:04] <Elizabeth> thank god I didnt
[23:36:19] <Elizabeth> ah yeah, I always lived on campus
[23:36:19] <Baastuul> What would have happened had you become president of the entire row? (Also, what does "entire row" mean?)
[23:36:22] <Elizabeth> or near
[23:36:32] <Elizabeth> which is the same as on here
[23:37:01] <Elizabeth> since the only on campus housing is the dorms...for freshman and some sophomores...everyone else lives in the village surrounding the campus
[23:37:08] <Baastuul> It's about a 15-25 minute commute for me to go my campus, and that's dependent upon traffic.
[23:37:12] <Elizabeth> all of the sororities
[23:37:16] <Elizabeth> thats what the row is
[23:37:17] <Baastuul> k!
[23:38:17] <Baastuul> The most alcoholic thing I've drank so far has been Nyquil.
[23:38:28] <Elizabeth> and it was complicated...I had redone everything about our house...went entirely against the advisory board who was like seriously taking our house into the ground...we would have gone under had I not made the house listen to me and not the advisory board..but they hated me for it
[23:38:34] <Elizabeth> we fought for three years
[23:38:47] <Baastuul> :o
[23:38:50] <Baastuul> Sounds quite stressful!
[23:39:09] <Baastuul> Were most of the girls in your sorority majors in your field?
[23:39:13] <Elizabeth> I finally left on them trying to kick me out after the 3rd year...they were always trying to kick me out...but the only way it would work really is for me to actually agree and leave
[23:40:07] <Elizabeth> but after 3rd year which is when I would have become president I also realized that I had no time with full upper div courseloads of math and sciences and sometimes more than full loads plus I worked 20-30 hours and week and tutored
[23:40:16] <Elizabeth> and of course I still had to go out most nights
[23:40:29] <Elizabeth> so the sorority I decided was the easiest thing to get rid of
[23:40:32] <Elizabeth> so I finally did
[23:40:43] <Elizabeth> but I woudlnt have been able to had I been president
[23:42:48] <Baastuul> Did you have a lot of friends though?
[23:42:49] <Elizabeth> why did you choose english anyway?
[23:42:58] <Baastuul> It sounds like a lot of people hated you for your position of power!
[23:43:06] <Elizabeth> did I have a lot of friends? um, yeah
[23:43:07] <Baastuul> They all desired your place in the upper rung of university society!
[23:43:11] <Elizabeth> no ppl didnt hate me
[23:43:18] <Elizabeth> they wouldnt have listened to me if they did
[23:43:22] <Elizabeth> some ppl hated me
[23:43:22] <Baastuul> k!
[23:43:28] <Elizabeth> the morons
[23:43:34] <Elizabeth> but they didnt get very far
[23:43:37] <Baastuul> I do hope you... disposed... of them.
[23:44:03] <Baastuul> Oh, I chose English because, well, I don't know.
[23:44:10] <Elizabeth> lol no they did that to themseles
[23:44:15] <Elizabeth> themselves*
[23:44:16] <Baastuul> When I first came to college, I was thinking of becoming a high school history or English teacher.
[23:44:35] <Baastuul> Then I discovered that being trapped in academics for the rest of my life didn't sound very appealing.
[23:44:49] <Baastuul> So I changed my focus from education to writing.
[23:44:58] <Baastuul> I took a couple of history classes though.
[23:45:03] <Baastuul> I don't really know why I chose English over history.
[23:45:21] <Elizabeth> english was always so boring to me...history is cool...but not how its taught in HS...which is also sucky...but history in college is much cooler...and just learning history in general is interesting
[23:45:21] <Baastuul> I thought about double majoring in them, but, eh, it's not really worth the hassle.
[23:45:36] <Baastuul> Yeah, I find a lot of English boring as hell.
[23:45:40] <Elizabeth> but english...well...Ive never been that into fiction I guess
[23:45:51] <Baastuul> I just survived a year of British literature.
[23:46:04] <Elizabeth> and I hate the academics of english esp
[23:46:21] <Baastuul> And then I have a semester of a class called "20th Century British Poetry" coming this fall which I'm really not looking forward to. I like the professor though.
[23:46:29] <Elizabeth> all the crap over symbolism and shit like that...that I swear these teachers are so off in lala land they pull most of it out of their asses
[23:46:58] <Elizabeth> like Id love to actually be able to ask the writer himself sometimes...now plz tell me what YOU meant by this
[23:47:08] <Elizabeth> I esp had this asshat for an english teacher in HS
[23:47:25] <Elizabeth> that was so ridiculous I got a strong distaste for the subject
[23:47:27] <Elizabeth> hehe
[23:47:37] <Baastuul> Well, the thing with symbolism is that it's easy to attack it because it's the most subjective and difficult aspect of English, but when you actually start delving into it -- and have somebody guiding you through it who knows what s/he's talking about -- then it's actually not too bad.
[23:48:04] <Baastuul> Describe to me this asshat English teacher you had in high school!
[23:48:05] <Elizabeth> well my point is just that...its very subjective
[23:48:10] <Elizabeth> but some teachers think they KNOW
[23:48:18] <Elizabeth> and its a certainty they are right!
[23:48:19] <Elizabeth> lol
[23:48:21] <Elizabeth> fucknuts
[23:48:59] <Baastuul> Hey, I'll be back in a few minutes. Somebody wants me to watch some quick video thingy.
[23:49:00] <Baastuul> I hope it's quick.
[23:49:07] <Elizabeth> any subject can be interesting if its taught right
[23:49:28] <Elizabeth> I guess its just the issue of english seeming to have a lot of crappy bs profs in it
[23:49:36] <Elizabeth> lol ok
[23:49:38] <Elizabeth> have fun
[23:49:49] <Elizabeth> im gonna study a little...but Ill be back and forth
[23:53:21] <Baastuul> I'm actually back!
[23:53:26] <Baastuul> It was much quicker than I had expected!
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