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[01:27:16] <wjp> morning
[01:27:24] <Kirben> Hi
[02:03:44] <wjp> time to go
[02:03:44] <wjp> bye
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[07:45:35] <Nadir> hi
[07:46:19] <matto> hi there
[07:47:00] <Darke> Hi.
[07:47:10] <matto> darke!
[07:51:25] * Darke paints matto fuchsia in greetings.
[08:03:13] <Nadir> Darke: why can't we have spaces in paths ?
[08:04:17] <Darke> There's a bug somewhere in exult that's causing the problem. We know it's not in conf, but that's all.
[08:05:07] <Darke> There was a bug in conf that was causing us problems before relating to the use of 'ifstream >> std::string' breaking at spaces and '\n's. But that's been fixed for ages.
[08:10:26] <Nadir> Who's looking at it ? Does this happen only under Win32 or under U*ix too ?
[08:10:48] * matto gives Darke an honorary bundle of fluff
[08:11:14] <Darke> We've never encountered it under unix afaik. But it's not common to have spaces in paths under unix.
[08:11:26] <matto> I have a problem with spaces in paths myself ...
[08:11:39] <matto> silly Microsoft and their "Program Files" directory
[08:11:53] <Nadir> I'll test it under my Debian box
[08:11:53] <Darke> And I don't think it's been encountered using Macs either.
[08:13:33] <Nadir> I just put a space in BG's path and it worked.
[08:13:43] <Nadir> So it must be a Win32 bug only
[08:14:32] <matto> Darke: you use debian? cool
[08:14:40] <Darke> Makes sense. I think it might be a problem trying to open a file, without 'escaping' the entire filename with double quotes. Only a guess.
[08:14:53] <Darke> matto: Not me. *grin* SuSE and gentoo.
[08:14:59] <matto> oh hehe
[08:15:02] <matto> <-- uses debian
[08:15:13] <matto> I see you have switched to x-chat instead of kvirc
[08:16:16] * Darke tried to move to debian from SuSE, but really missed having all the packages on tap. *grin* Then moved to gentoo, because compiling from scratch is cool, and gentoo is pretty much the framework he was going to create when he was going to attempt 'linux from scratch' anyway.
[08:16:45] <Darke> Yeah. I needed to have multiple servers in one window, and that was the only feature missing from kvirc.
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[08:17:21] <sb-x> hello
[08:17:27] <Darke> Hi.
[08:19:49] <matto> never heard of gentoo
[08:20:11] <Darke> www.gentoo.org
[08:20:15] <Nadir> gentoo is like freebsd ports system
[08:20:19] <matto> its philosophy is to compile everything?
[08:21:01] <Darke> Not necessarily, you can download an install cd with most of the basic system already compiled, but the principal is that you comple everything from scratch to take the best advantage of your hardware.
[08:21:18] <matto> like cpu optimizations?
[08:21:25] * Darke nods. Yep.
[08:21:38] <matto> do you think it makes a noticeable difference?
[08:21:55] <Darke> It also allows you to install only what you want, rather then having a massive 'base' installation.
[08:22:43] <Darke> Absolutely. *grin* KDE3 on a slower machine, is performing much faster (and more resposive) then KDE2 on my 'best' machine. And kde3 is apparently slower, then kde2 by a noticable amount.
[08:22:54] <matto> no way!
[08:23:05] <matto> I find that surprising
[08:23:15] <matto> but in a cool sort of way
[08:23:45] <Darke> Admittedly we're talking a difference between an 800Mhz Duron and a 1Ghz Athlon. But still, I found it impressive enough to installing gentoo on my athlon. *grin*
[08:23:52] <matto> hehe
[08:24:15] <matto> does it handle dependencies too?
[08:24:30] <Darke> It's even better when you force everything to bootstrap from gcc3.0.4, since you've got compiler optimisations for the athlon archiecture then.
[08:24:31] <matto> that is my main gripe with compiling from source
[08:24:39] <Darke> Yep. I haven't had a problem with it so far.
[08:24:45] <matto> you downlaod the source and discover that you need about 6 other packages that you don't wnat to bother with hehe
[08:25:36] <Darke> They've got a 'package' system based on 'ebuild's, which are scripts written by people to tell portage (the build system) what file to download from what site, how to handle the exceptions to things, and so on.
[08:26:51] <matto> ebuilds
[08:26:55] <matto> how quaint
[08:26:57] <matto> :)
[08:27:10] <Nadir> just like freebds's ports
[08:27:19] <Nadir> they haven't invented anything
[08:27:33] <Darke> Currently, if I say want to install GNU readline, I type 'emerge --pretend readline' and it spits out that it has a dependancy of 'ncurses', and it will download install that before it installs readline.
[08:27:53] <matto> that's good
[08:28:15] <matto> does it have Xfree86 4.0.2 ? hehe
[08:29:05] <Nadir> You mean 4.2.0
[08:29:16] <matto> err.. yeah
[08:29:19] <matto> that's whatI meant
[08:29:23] * Darke shrugs. He doesn't really care if they invented it or now. The implementation is elegant and almost flawless, and suits his purposes perfectly, without him having to do the work himself. *grin*
[08:29:40] <Darke> Yep.
[08:30:03] <matto> I wish I had another partition handy to play around with it
[08:30:08] <matto> sounds like it might have potential
[08:30:11] <Nadir> with ports, you just cd in /usr/ports/[package] and type make. It will download files, compile them and install them
[08:31:36] <Darke> The equilivant in gentoo is typing 'emerge foo' from anywhere, and it'll install package foo. Typing 'emerge -s foo' will search through it's package database and locate what version of the packages that match the patten, you have currently installed, and what version is the latest.
[08:31:38] <matto> Nadir: does this mean you are a freebsd user now?
[08:31:53] <sb-x> he he
[08:32:09] <matto> sb-x: what are you laughing at :)
[08:32:31] <sb-x> what you said
[08:32:44] <matto> oh :)
[08:34:17] <matto> Darke: can you type "emerge exult" ?
[08:34:21] <Darke> 'emerge --pretend clean' will list all the packages that you've 'updated', and the older versions that it's installed, and then an 'emerge clean' will remove all the outdated packages, or you can remove specific packages with 'emerge clean foo'. I've had only one problem so far with this, when a package didn't update a symlink correctly to a library, but that was easy to fix.
[08:34:49] <Darke> matto: Not yet. *grin* I've been tinkering around with the ebuild system to work out how to create an ebuild for exult.
[08:36:04] <Nadir> matto: no. our systems guy is, though.
[08:36:48] <Nadir> Darke: what does "equilivant" mean ?
[08:36:50] <Nadir> :)
[08:38:00] <Darke> It means my fingers are typing faster then my ability to scan the text for errors. *grin*
[08:39:45] <Nadir> does xchat have a spellchecker ?
[08:40:26] <Darke> Just a word replacement feature for regular typos, like 'teh' to 'the'.
[08:40:33] <matto> if it does... I don't know about it
[08:41:23] <sb-x> and 'r' ;)
[08:41:33] * Darke doesn't actually tend to make that mistake. He doesn't know why it was set as a default. He presumes it must be common with most people though.
[08:41:34] <matto> and 'u'
[08:43:00] <sb-x> u r teh man!
[08:43:52] <matto> hehe
[08:43:55] <matto> you've circumvented it!
[08:44:00] <matto> isn't that illegal under the DMCA ?
[08:44:49] * Darke snerks.
[08:46:27] * sb-x rot13s exultbot's log so noone can ever possible find out.
[08:57:02] * Darke rots sb-x's mind.
[08:57:11] * Darke doesn't really notice much difference.
[09:01:35] <matto> hehehe
[09:01:53] <sb-x> ur powers of rottin be useless t0 me
[09:02:03] * sb-x reverse the effect and gives Darke a rotten carrot.
[09:02:37] * Darke rots the carrot until it's un-rotten, then nibbles on it.
[09:05:14] * matto brings a few cities into the channel
[09:07:20] * Darke wonders if he should bring Sydney into the channel, she'd qualify as both a pet and a city.
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[09:13:16] <sb-x> ???
[09:14:46] <Darke> Sydney is a city in .au. And also a character, yet another rabbit, technically. *grin*
[09:15:15] <sb-x> ??????
[09:15:47] * Darke sweeps up sb-x's mess of question marks into a bucket, then dumps them on sb-x's head.
[09:15:53] <matto> everyone should know Sydney is a city since they had the olympics there
[09:17:03] * Darke had forgotten about the olympics actually, even though he was working with Telsta (a big .au telco) at the time on fault tracing stuff, and we had a seperate moitoring system for the olympic village.
[09:18:10] * sb-x thinks Darke doesn't actually pay attention to his work.
[09:19:27] <Darke> Oh, I was paying attention to it. If I stuffed up the monitoring of the entire state of Queensland or something, it was no problem. Stuffing up the olympic village monitoring, however, was a Big Thing, and you Just Don't Do That. *grin*
[09:20:45] <sb-x> you mean if the "Sydney" lightbulb goes out on the console or something, you have to replace it?
[09:22:55] <Darke> No. It was actually a bit of software recording everything that I was working on. We actually split things up early in the piece so that almost nothing we could do (save actually killing the machine), would effect the olympic village monitoring. I took out the entire of .au's monitoring software (including Sydney, just not the Olympic village), due to a bug on our bit early on in the piece. *grin*
[09:24:50] <sb-x> ????????????
[09:37:13] * Darke wonders what's with sb-x and these question marks.
[09:41:51] <sb-x> You know your domain name is missing Darke?
[09:42:50] * Darke knows, it's his firewall's fault, and he's not sure how to get it to automatically grab it, when it autograbs his ipaddresses and such.
[09:56:14] <matto> ??????????
[09:56:30] <matto> oh what a mess I have made
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[11:16:04] <wjp> hi
[11:16:39] <sb-x> hi
[11:17:22] <Darke> Hi.
[11:21:14] <matto> wjp!!!!!!!
[11:21:24] <matto> wjp please.. make some sense of this madness
[11:21:32] * matto throws back curtain to reveal the mess that Darke has made
[11:22:25] * Darke sees a half b0rk3n cvs, but that's not really something to make such a big fuss about. *grin*
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[11:50:37] <matto> SSX!
[11:50:56] <X-BS> no sorry
[11:50:59] <X-BS> XBS
[11:52:05] <Darke> Quick! It's obviously PYRO-X in disguise! Get him!
[11:55:14] * matto hurls a wad of bird fluff at X-BS which misses and strikes Darke instead
[11:56:15] * Darke ducks the fluff and blinkblinks, wondering why people are fluffing around.
[11:58:51] * matto opens his clenched fists and in a flash of light, a tornado of bird fluff issues forth, consuming Darke.
[12:00:58] * Darke sneeses repeatedly at the dust raised, and walks out of the back of the cloud to hunt down his handkerchief.
[12:33:54] <wjp> I have to go; bye
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[12:41:19] <Nadir> see, you scared him
[12:58:54] * X-BS just saw a tourist advertisement for Australia on television.
[13:02:09] * Darke didn't do anything scary. Scary would be him bouncing around singing "Pukka, Pukka, Pukka, Squeetily Boink!".
[13:02:35] * X-BS runs.
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[13:02:48] * Darke laughs.
[13:06:36] <Nadir> that's no ordinary rabbit
[13:08:25] * Darke nodnods. It's a rabbit bouncing to music from Fraggle Rock! *grin*
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[14:00:40] <Darke> Hi Colourless.
[14:00:59] <Colourless> hi
[14:03:16] <Colourless> nadir: you were asking about the spaces in path bug. It can only be described as an intermittent bug that appears to occur on some Win32 systems. When myself and Dominus have tested ourselves we haven't had problems
[14:03:56] <Colourless> as far as I know, it may not be an issue anymore. At least, the problem shouldn't be windows specific as I changed things so exult will convert all long names in windows to short names
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[14:04:24] <wjp> hi
[14:04:32] <Darke> Welcome back.
[14:04:33] <wjp> Colourless?
[14:04:33] <Colourless> hi
[14:04:41] <Colourless> wjp?
[14:04:53] <Darke> Darke?
[14:04:55] <wjp> any idea how you get your IP in win2k?
[14:05:04] * wjp just wondering if you were here :-)
[14:05:16] <Colourless> what do you mean>
[14:05:16] <Nadir> ipconfig
[14:05:21] * Darke feels recursive.
[14:05:23] <Nadir> from cmd.exe
[14:05:30] <Colourless> yeah ipconfig will do it
[14:05:42] <wjp> k, thx
[14:05:53] * wjp thought it was winipcfg
[14:05:57] <wjp> but that must've been win98
[14:06:05] <Colourless> using /all will probably give you more info than you want
[14:06:15] <Nadir> Colourless: can't we add some debugging info to the snapshots so that we can tell what's going on with the spaces ?
[14:06:15] <Colourless> winipcfg was only included with win9x
[14:06:39] * Darke never knew that, he always used ipconfig under win9x. *grin*
[14:07:34] <Colourless> Nadir: we could but what would it be and where? We couldn't even determine where the problem was
[14:08:01] <Colourless> as in what exactly was going on when the crahses were occuring
[14:08:43] <wjp> hm, I don't suppose there's a way to catch a crash and automatically produce a backtrace?
[14:08:59] <Kirben> winipcfg for win2000/xp http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/techinfo/reskit/tools/existing/wntipcfg-o.asp
[14:09:00] <wjp> (in the SDL parachute or something)
[14:09:27] <Colourless> drwatson in winnt/2k/xp autoproduces a back trace
[14:09:44] <wjp> but that doesn't get called because of the parachute?
[14:09:52] <Colourless> :-)
[14:09:54] <Colourless> yeah
[14:10:06] <wjp> why not just disable the parachute in the next couple of snapshots then?
[14:10:19] <Nadir> good idea
[14:10:55] <wjp> -DNO_SDL_PARACHUTE
[14:11:26] <Nadir> Kirben ?
[14:11:28] <Colourless> the problem is drwatson doesn't understand the debug info
[14:11:41] <Kirben> ok will do it for next snapshot.
[14:11:45] <Colourless> and we distribute stripped exe's
[14:12:02] <wjp> hmm.. unstripped exes will be quite big, I guess
[14:12:35] <Colourless> 6 or 7 mb from memory
[14:12:41] <wjp> Colourless: does it still compile in VC++?
[14:12:41] <Nadir> Maybe we can provide an unstripped executable with full debug and -DNO_SDL_PARACHUTE and ask people to test it.
[14:12:54] <wjp> I assume drwatson does understand the MSVC debugging info?
[14:13:06] <Colourless> yeah drwatson understands msvc info
[14:13:07] <Nadir> It would be funny if it didn't...
[14:13:31] <Colourless> exult still compiles with msvc.
[14:14:02] <Nadir> go for it then
[14:15:15] <Colourless> what I can do is make a debug build with msvc and if people are having issues with the snapshot they can try my version
[14:15:49] * wjp nods. sounds good
[14:15:49] <Kirben> ok
[14:15:51] <wjp> don't forget to disable the parachute too in that version
[14:16:11] <Colourless> parachute is always disabled with my msvc builds
[14:16:44] <wjp> makes sense :-)
[14:17:01] <Colourless> it was impossible to debug :-)
[14:17:23] <Colourless> it would catch every exception, regardless of the type.
[14:17:50] <Colourless> anyone know an easy way to crash exult?
[14:18:23] <Darke> Hack move?
[14:18:33] <Colourless> hack move isn't reliable enough :-)
[14:18:37] <wjp> delete yourself?
[14:18:44] <Colourless> good one :-)
[14:18:49] <wjp> delete chair while trying to sit on it?
[14:18:58] <Nadir> tricky
[14:19:10] <wjp> I think most schedules will crash if you delete an object currently being used
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[14:56:14] <Colourless> grr, msvc may be building exult just fine, but it's crashes when doing a Journey Onward
[14:56:29] <Colourless> starting a new game is ok, but not journey onward
[15:00:59] <Colourless> something is screwing up badly
[15:02:31] <Colourless> npc reading kind of died
[15:02:38] <Nadir> someone on the ML is reporting bugs with the Patch :)
[15:03:36] * Darke giggles and wonders if we should assign bug reports to Dominus. *grin*
[15:03:47] <Colourless> this is without the patch
[15:05:00] <Colourless> but i think it's related
[15:05:26] <Colourless> i deleted gamedat and created a new game, then quit, then journey onward worked
[15:05:59] <Colourless> my previous gamedat may have been contaminated by patch files that weren't removed
[15:07:57] <Colourless> nope, that isn't it
[15:08:00] <Colourless> it died again
[15:29:07] <Colourless> but now it works...
[15:29:13] <Colourless> eh, something odd is gpomg pm
[15:29:17] <Colourless> going on even
[15:50:26] <wjp> time to go home again
[15:50:30] <wjp> bbl
[15:50:30] <Colourless> cya
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[18:03:06] <Dominus> hi
[18:03:11] <Colourless> hi
[18:03:43] <Dominus> Colourless: I tried ES on my mothers Laptop which runs W2k SP2 and it behaves the same way Annorax described
[18:04:28] <Dominus> e.g. "Error sending npc data to server"
[18:05:40] <Colourless> strange
[18:06:44] <Dominus> and it is definitely not a configuration error as my mom has also a pc and it is connected to the Laptop and I shoveled the same stuff on both (e.g. copied from one to the other)
[18:07:04] <Dominus> on the XP Home machine it worked like it is intended
[18:07:31] <Colourless> but other things work. only npc data sending fails right>
[18:07:45] <Dominus> any way to troubleshoot it furhter or build with debug (though I have no compilation tools here neither CVS access and all)
[18:07:51] <Dominus> let me check
[18:08:02] <Colourless> try object editing
[18:08:23] <Dominus> fails as well
[18:08:39] <Colourless> how about changing the edit at lift
[18:08:42] <Dominus> replace npc with object from the rror message above
[18:09:16] <Dominus> drag/drop from ES works
[18:09:27] <Colourless> drag and drop works differently
[18:09:43] <Colourless> doesn't used the client server comms system
[18:10:23] <Colourless> try turning the grid on and off
[18:10:41] <Dominus> wait a moment the power supply is dying on me
[18:12:31] <Dominus> that works
[18:13:15] <Dominus> when creating a new egg it actually kind of works by supplying the first draft to place on the map, only when you try to edit it further it errors
[18:14:29] <Dominus> though it says error sending.... when you hit apply before placing it in Exult
[18:16:38] <Dominus> Colourless: are you silent because you are checking something or because you have no idea? :-)
[18:17:09] <matto> Dominus!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:17:33] <Dominus> matto!!!! Du alter Schwede, wie gehts?
[18:17:47] <matto> Schwede?
[18:17:48] <Dominus> (alter Schwede ist nur ein Witz)
[18:18:03] <matto> Witz?
[18:18:16] <Dominus> joke
[18:18:17] * matto hurries to babelfish
[18:18:41] <matto> Swede?
[18:18:46] <Dominus> yeah
[18:18:49] <matto> you called me a Swede? how .. dare you!
[18:19:19] <Dominus> it has nothing to do with you it's just something people say jokingly to each other when they meet by chance
[18:19:50] <matto> vorher habe ich Deutsch mit der Leute in #sdl gesprachen
[18:19:55] <matto> ^ - horrible German, I know :)
[18:20:30] <Dominus> mit den Leuten in #sdl gesprochen
[18:20:48] <matto> den ...
[18:20:49] <matto> why is it den?
[18:21:01] <Dominus> plural
[18:21:14] <Dominus> der is just one person
[18:21:27] <matto> oh
[18:21:38] <Dominus> and there is no one person when you talk about people :-)
[18:21:41] <matto> I thought plural had the same rules as the feminine case
[18:21:48] <Dominus> nope
[18:21:51] <matto> drat
[18:22:03] <Colourless> Dominus: was just out of the room for a moment
[18:22:08] <Colourless> i really have no idea what exactly is going on
[18:22:13] <Dominus> der, die, das behave different in plural
[18:22:27] <Dominus> Colourless: ah okay
[18:22:45] <Colourless> i need to exult exult studio to compile before i can fix it
[18:22:47] <matto> Dominus: that makes my job a lot harder
[18:22:54] <Dominus> matto: it varies, e.g. it is der Mond, but die Monde
[18:22:54] <Colourless> or even figure out what the problem is
[18:22:55] <matto> I don't think I ever learned any of those rules in school
[18:23:02] <matto> never got far enough
[18:23:13] <Colourless> i 'think' it might just be something as simple as trying to send a buffer that is too big
[18:25:31] <Dominus> well, I'm here at my mothers place till about sunday or monday, so I can test if you get it to work until then
[18:25:46] <Dominus> otherwise we have Annorax to test I guess
[18:26:19] <Dominus> matto: it's just something you have to learn, like the irregular verbs in English
[18:26:52] <matto> Dominus: alright
[18:27:00] <matto> perhaps one day I will be able to memorize it
[18:27:14] <Dominus> (or whatever thta is called, like bring, brought, brought, instead of bring, bringed, bringed)
[18:27:39] <Colourless> don't you just love english :-)
[18:27:49] <matto> bringed hehe
[18:28:05] <matto> go and went
[18:28:12] <Dominus> yeah, I have memorized those irregulars so well that is just sounds funny to me as well
[18:28:20] <Dominus> goed
[18:28:29] * matto goads Dominus
[18:28:32] <Dominus> :-)
[18:28:40] <Colourless> go goes went :-)
[18:29:13] <Colourless> go, goes, will go, did go, went
[18:29:18] <Dominus> but go, goes is still the same time :-)
[18:29:21] <matto> at least with english you don't have to memory a bunch of male/female/neutral articles :)
[18:29:30] * Colourless tries to think of more 'go' verbs
[18:29:49] <matto> Dominus: I suppose you've figured out the difference between "he goes" and "he is going" ?
[18:30:17] <Colourless> ah, there's another one, going :-)
[18:30:17] <matto> I've observed that that is one of the harder things for Germans to figure out :)
[18:30:19] <Dominus> matto: the next hardest part to remember (after you remembered what gender it is) is to learn how it behaves in plural and genetiv
[18:31:19] <matto> nooo... genetiv is very evil
[18:31:28] <Dominus> actually the sentence about #sdl is genetiv I think (I never was good at german grammer)
[18:31:28] <Colourless> english is great because there are 'so' many ways of saying the same thing :-)
[18:31:44] <matto> well I think if you use "mit" then the proceeding stuff is genetiv
[18:31:47] <Dominus> the accurate form is "die Leute"
[18:32:13] <matto> hast du meinen kleinen Hund zum W.C. gehen gesehen?
[18:32:31] <Dominus> you did that from babblefish, right?
[18:32:34] <matto> that was a sentence a Swiss guy taught me ...
[18:32:40] <Dominus> oops
[18:32:42] <Dominus> sorry
[18:32:42] <matto> no a Swiss guy taught it to me
[18:32:49] <matto> I've always remembered it ... hehe
[18:33:12] <matto> I always remembered how it was meinen and kleinen
[18:33:43] <Dominus> like the first sentence in French you remember (at least I did, before proper learning it): Voulez-vous coucher avec moi?
[18:34:08] <matto> I don't know anything about French
[18:34:13] <Dominus> and I didn't ask anyone here :-)
[18:34:24] <Colourless> Will you ??? with me?
[18:34:35] <Dominus> very formal: Do you want to sleep with me?
[18:34:39] <Dominus> nooooo
[18:35:05] <Colourless> heh, i could have guess as much
[18:35:20] <Dominus> Baise moi! (another thing you kind of learn - but I wouldn't recommend that movie with the same name)
[18:35:51] <Dominus> thats more like "Fuck me"
[18:36:06] <Dominus> !
[18:36:38] <Dominus> well, I hope I didn't interrupt the oh so very important conversations in #exult :-)
[18:36:40] <Colourless> gee, you just gave #exult an "Occasional Coarse Language
[18:36:43] <Colourless> " rating
[18:37:03] <Dominus> guess that drops uss off google's index :-)
[18:37:25] <Colourless> :-)
[18:37:27] <matto> I need to go to sleep :)
[18:37:28] <Colourless> unlikely
[18:37:37] <matto> my sleep schedule is backwards ... hehe
[18:37:54] <Dominus> btw, I don't think we should take bug reports for the patch! It'S bug-free! (tm)
[18:37:58] <matto> thx for the tips on German, Dom
[18:38:05] <Dominus> you're welcome
[18:38:42] <matto> by the way, I didn't see if you answered me ... are you clear on the difference between "he goes" and "he is going" ?
[18:38:57] <matto> not that I have any evidence that you aren't clear
[18:39:00] <matto> just curious :)
[18:39:08] <Dominus> Colourless: are you actually looking at the compile problem of ES
[18:39:19] <Colourless> Dominus: yes kind of
[18:39:23] <Dominus> matto: kind of clear, we learned that in school until we got sick
[18:39:32] <Dominus> but I forgot
[18:39:43] <Dominus> kind of :-)
[18:39:59] <Dominus> I know when to use it but not why
[18:40:20] <matto> "He is going" is active .. it means he is currently in the process of going somewhere ... "he goes" is passive.. it means that he isn't going anywhere at the moment, but at certain times he will go
[18:40:32] <Dominus> thx
[18:40:45] <matto> "He's going to the store right now .." "He goes to the store every Wednesday"
[18:41:21] <Dominus> so, I'm going to go now (not to the store but to see some friends I didn't see for quite some time)
[18:41:48] <Dominus> I'm going to peek in tomorrow, I guess to see what'S up with ES :-)
[18:41:59] <Dominus> see you
[18:42:05] <matto> goodnight :)
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[18:50:33] <Colourless> ah, this isn't going to be too hard
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[21:37:39] <Skutarth> Howdy
[21:37:44] <Skutarth> Does Ultima Online : Rennaisance work with shards? Where do I find a drag and drop GM tool? Where is the best Ultima Online shard manager, most preferrably one where I can make my own server?
[21:38:20] <Skutarth> Sorry for the 'howdy,' but I'm from Texas
[21:38:28] <Skutarth> Not like me, normally...
[21:38:34] <Skutarth> Hmm.
[21:38:45] <Skutarth> ?seen dominus
[21:38:45] <exultbot> dominus left #exult around Wed May 8 18:42:09 2002 (GMT)
[21:38:56] <Skutarth> ?colourless
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[21:39:07] <Skutarth> ?name
[21:39:07] <exultbot> Greetings Avatar. I am called Exultbot.
[21:39:11] <Skutarth> ?job
[21:39:11] <exultbot> My job is to write down everything you say.
[21:39:21] <Skutarth> ?bye
[21:39:21] <exultbot> Goodbye, Avatar.
[21:39:59] <Skutarth> ?seen barney
[21:39:59] <exultbot> I haven't seen barney lately
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[21:41:09] <Skutarth> Hey, kefka...
[21:41:13] <Skutarth> You there?
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[21:41:47] <Chuckles> Would you like to play the game?
[21:42:07] <Chuckles> You should know the rules if you would like to play...
[21:42:14] <Chuckles> Let's play
[21:42:24] <Chuckles> How are you?
[21:42:37] <Chuckles> I am fine, but I asked you.
[21:43:22] <Chuckles> Are you there, or are you not
[21:43:30] <Chuckles> That's what I ask
[21:43:38] <Chuckles> To see what a say
[21:43:58] <Chuckles> Of thee I ask of?
[21:44:05] <Chuckles> Is there an inn?
[21:44:23] <Chuckles> I would need some cheese, bread, and ale about now...
[21:44:40] <Chuckles> Would thee help thy old friend, Chuck?
[21:45:01] <Chuckles> Then I say.
[21:45:08] <Chuckles> Good day
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[21:45:27] <Skutarth> ?bye
[21:45:27] <exultbot> Goodbye, Avatar.
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