#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 9 Apr 2004 (GMT)

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[01:36:13] <Sheng_Gradilla> good evening :)
[01:37:28] <Sheng_Gradilla> who is awake? I need some brainpower
[01:41:00] <Sheng_Gradilla> also, I would like to have exultbot in #nu5
[01:41:06] <Sheng_Gradilla> things will start moving
[01:44:00] <Baastuul_> Hullo.
[01:44:03] <Baastuul_> Hmmm.
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[01:44:11] <Baastuul> Thar we go.
[01:44:16] <Baastuul> I've been playing Baldur's Gate all week long.
[01:44:21] <Sheng_Gradilla> :D
[01:44:46] <Sheng_Gradilla> that's one of the few non-Ultima RPGs I like
[01:46:50] <Sheng_Gradilla> who controls exultbot?
[01:49:39] <Baastuul> I think wjp.
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[05:46:13] * Sheng_Gradilla looks around
[05:46:36] <Baastuul> HAIL TO THEE, FAIR ADVENTURER!!!
[05:46:46] * Baastuul lifts a horn of dik-dik urine to Sheng_Gradilla's entrance.
[05:46:50] * Baastuul drinks deeply like a drunken Nord.
[05:47:41] <Sheng_Gradilla> some specialty drink?
[05:48:46] <Baastuul> Dik-dik urine!
[05:48:47] <Baastuul> Ahhh!
[05:48:58] * Baastuul coaxes the hall's dik-dik to produce more of the golden liquid.
[05:50:33] <Sheng_Gradilla> just give me a coke and I'll be fine :P
[05:55:46] <Baastuul> http://baastuul.9cy.com/images/funny/monkey.gif
[06:19:37] <Sheng_Gradilla> no one else awake?
[06:20:05] <Baastuul> http://baastuul.9cy.com/images/funny/gnome_teeth.jpg
[06:20:06] <Baastuul> Hehehehehehe.
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[12:10:48] <Colourless> hi
[12:14:17] <Baastuul> Hallo.
[12:17:19] <wjp> hi
[12:18:58] <sbx> heya
[12:19:44] <Baastuul> My stomach is grumbling.
[12:19:50] <Baastuul> And it's only 5:19 AM.
[12:19:54] <Colourless> well eat something
[12:20:04] <Colourless> 5:19 am.... i would be starving!
[12:20:50] <Baastuul> I plan on going to bed soon.
[12:20:54] <Baastuul> I'll eat ramen when I wake up or something.
[12:23:18] * Baastuul begins downloading the Temple of Elemental Evil demo.
[12:23:26] <Baastuul> I've never played this, I heard the game itself was mediocre, but what the hell.
[12:23:28] <Baastuul> I'm bored.
[12:44:22] <sbx> the game must not be very fun
[13:00:13] * Ember suggests installing gentoo on an old windows box like she is. It's fun! Really it is!
[13:01:46] * wjp pokes Ember; oooh! It's alive! :-)
[13:02:10] <Colourless> well, I don't know if people should really listen to you. After all, you are a male masquerading as a female.
[13:04:01] * Ember yelps! Hey!
[13:04:30] * wjp remembers too late that poking female dragons might not be the smartest thing to do
[13:05:07] * Ember is a nice dwaggie, and doesn't threaten to breath fire upon those that annoy her. Unlike *one* dragon she knows. *glare at Colourless*
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[13:05:56] <Colourless> hmmm.... flame grilled rabbit sounds so tasty
[13:06:31] <Darke> At least it's not rabbit pie. *noddle*
[13:06:42] <Colourless> aint so tough now that you can't breath fire now
[13:11:47] * Darke has never been able to breath fire! He does, however, have a mean grenade tossing arm, so that might work just as well. *noddle*
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[13:30:17] <wjp> uh oh
[13:34:32] * Darke toasts marshmellows. Yummy!
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[17:27:55] <Rizzy> Hi there..
[17:28:04] <Colourless> hi
[17:28:25] <Rizzy> I have a question for you guys..
[17:28:51] <Rizzy> I'm running a linux box, so is there an Ultima 7 for linux?
[17:29:02] <Colourless> that's what exult is for :-)
[17:29:47] <Rizzy> Okay..
[17:30:19] <Rizzy> I was thinking/hoping that, buttt I can't find anywhere where it tells me how to use exult wihth linux.
[17:30:24] <Rizzy> Sorry if I'm blind :P
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[17:31:45] <Rizzy> And yeah, that's the question.
[17:31:55] <Colourless> you'll need to read the documentation
[17:32:07] <Rizzy> From the exult website?
[17:32:20] <Colourless> yeah
[17:32:25] <Rizzy> Herm..
[17:32:34] <Rizzy> I thought I read it but I'll check again...
[17:34:24] <Colourless> hmm
[17:35:00] <Colourless> read section 2
[17:37:01] <Rizzy> Where it says, run exult, quit, edit, run again etc.. ?
[17:37:32] <Colourless> that will generate a basic exult.cfg file that you can then edit
[17:37:58] <Rizzy> Because, when I built exult it gave me nothing to run..
[17:38:08] <Rizzy> So maybe the build didn't work...
[17:38:38] <Rizzy> I just have a few .flx files.
[17:38:53] <Colourless> the source package should have some details about what happens when building
[17:39:30] <Rizzy> but I SHOULD have an executable file?
[17:39:47] <Colourless> By default, `make install' will install the package's files in
[17:39:49] <Colourless> `/usr/local/bin', `/usr/local/man', etc. You can specify an
[17:39:49] <Colourless> installation prefix other than `/usr/local' by giving `configure' the
[17:39:49] <Colourless> option `--prefix=PATH'.
[17:40:40] <Rizzy> Okay.
[17:40:48] <Rizzy> It put them in /usr/local/share/
[17:41:28] <Rizzy> And added expack to /usr/local/bin..
[17:52:48] <Rizzy> i still got nothing..
[17:54:27] <Rizzy> There is no exult executable that I can find so I guess it is a build error..
[17:55:11] <Colourless> i'm afarid i can't really help you. I don't use linux
[17:55:20] <Rizzy> Alright :)
[17:55:31] <Colourless> you'll need to wait for wjp
[17:55:53] <Rizzy> Okay, maybe you can tell me this, besides the sourceforge site is there another site with exult info?
[17:56:27] <Colourless> nope
[17:56:43] <Rizzy> Okay..
[17:56:43] <wjp> somebody called?
[17:56:49] <Rizzy> yeah...
[17:57:24] <Rizzy> I downloaded the exult source, and I have a windows version of Ultima 7, but when I built the exult source, it left me with a bunch of .flx files and nothing that I can execute..
[17:57:59] <wjp> you're probably looking in the wrong place
[17:58:46] <Rizzy> exult installed to /usr/local/share and I can't find anything else about it on my system.
[17:59:27] <wjp> it should put some stuff in /usr/local/share, but the executables should go into /usr/local/bin
[17:59:48] <Rizzy> okay
[18:00:06] <wjp> the main one is /usr/local/bin/exult, if everything went ok
[18:00:35] <Rizzy> Okay, so nothing was installed in /usr/local/bin
[18:00:51] <wjp> so how exactly did you build it?
[18:00:51] <Rizzy> so exult didn't build properly..
[18:01:20] <Rizzy> The usual way.. I downloaded the source, ./configure, make,. make install
[18:01:37] <wjp> and there were no errors?
[18:01:44] <Rizzy> I saw none.
[18:01:45] <sbx> if it installed /usr/local/share is there a /usr/local/share/bin? (which would be wrong but ...)
[18:02:03] <Rizzy> Nope.
[18:02:27] <sbx> OK just making sure it didn't set that as the install dir
[18:02:35] <wjp> could you run 'make install' again?
[18:02:46] <Rizzy> I gotta get the source again :P
[18:02:48] <Rizzy> But yes.
[18:03:09] <sbx> it will tell in the output where it everything is being put
[18:03:42] <wjp> it should say something like '/bin/install -c exult /usr/local/bin/exult' somewhere
[18:03:55] <Rizzy> Okay.
[18:05:36] <Rizzy> Okay well, i download this again, and rebuild it and see what I can sort out.. then I'll come back and badger you guys some more :P
[18:05:41] <Rizzy> Thanks a lot for helping me though.
[18:05:41] <Rizzy> Bye
[18:05:58] <wjp> oh, btw, don't delete the sources yet after building them next time :-)
[18:06:21] <wjp> (until you verified it runs properly, that is :-) )
[18:06:45] <Rizzy> yeah that is a good idea :P
[18:07:02] <Rizzy> I'm having a bit of HD crisis right now so I'm trying to keep the space down..
[18:07:39] <Rizzy> Okay, I'll see you later guys
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[18:07:41] <wjp> could it have run out of disk space while installing?
[18:07:42] <wjp> bye
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[19:36:43] <helldrive> hey
[19:36:48] <Baastuul> Hi, helldrive.
[19:36:54] <Colourless> hi
[19:37:20] <helldrive> i'm using exult 1.0 (included in suse) and i stumbled over a problem
[19:38:04] <helldrive> in serpent isle when i walk into the swamps i fall asleep
[19:38:24] <helldrive> i wake up in this dreamland, and i leave it by entering the fire
[19:38:44] <helldrive> i wake up, and everything appears to be ok
[19:39:04] <helldrive> however when i save at this point
[19:39:39] <helldrive> and load the safestate
[19:39:56] <helldrive> i'm suddenly some kind of a ghost (i've only seen that in uo, yet)
[19:40:14] <helldrive> everythings grey, and the avatar is transparent
[19:40:37] <Colourless> that would seem to be that invisiblity is getting set on
[19:40:46] <helldrive> !
[19:40:50] <Colourless> sounds like a bug. you should get a newer version from the exult site
[19:40:54] <Colourless> 1.0 is kind of old now
[19:40:54] <helldrive> good hint
[19:41:04] <helldrive> yeah, i just grabbed it
[19:41:22] <helldrive> it's not a bug, tho i think
[19:41:44] <helldrive> the items get displaced on the avatar, everytime sth weird happens to him
[19:42:41] <helldrive> and i remember wearing one of those invisibility rings
[19:42:50] <helldrive> having
[19:42:53] <helldrive> not wearing
[19:43:10] <helldrive> it probably was put on the avatar after he woke up
[19:43:14] <helldrive> *pheew*
[19:43:31] <helldrive> anyway thanks alot
[19:44:33] <helldrive> you guys did an awesome job!
[19:44:39] <helldrive> seeya
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[21:54:56] <Rizzy> hi.
[21:57:10] <wjp> hi
[21:59:39] <Rizzy> So I got everything sorted.. you can apt-get exult..
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[22:50:24] <Rizzy> Hi there..
[22:51:12] <Rizzy> Anyone around?
[22:53:04] <wjp> hi again
[22:54:04] <Rizzy> I found another problem with no help..
[22:56:17] <wjp> yes...?
[22:56:28] <Rizzy> I apt-get exult, it asks for the location for blackgate and whatnot, I plug that in, exult worked the first time, I set everything there up, reran exult, ultima ran for a bit, I saved it so I could go find my old book to get the coordinates, it wouldn't save because the permissions were wrong, ultima/exult closed, I changed the permissions, reran exult..
[22:56:53] <Rizzy> exult now gives me an error saying it can't find the data riles.
[22:56:57] <Rizzy> riles = files
[22:57:10] <wjp> "I changed the permissions" <-- which permissions?
[22:57:21] <Rizzy> For the save game file.
[22:57:31] <wjp> which save game file?
[22:57:32] <Rizzy> and the whole directory ultima is in.
[22:57:58] <Rizzy> exult00bg.sav
[22:58:11] <wjp> but you just said it wouldn't save?
[22:58:18] <wjp> so how could it have created that file?
[22:58:28] <Rizzy> Not sure.
[22:58:36] <Rizzy> Unless it was an old file.
[22:59:04] <wjp> anyway, if the only thing you changed was permissions, you must have set some permissions too restrictive
[22:59:33] <Rizzy> But the whole directory is set for rwx
[22:59:43] <wjp> rwx for who?
[23:00:18] <Rizzy> Me..
[23:01:40] <wjp> and you're running exult as the same user as before?
[23:01:49] <Rizzy> yex.
[23:02:25] <wjp> so which error message does exult give exactly when you run it?
[23:02:57] <Rizzy> could not find the data files for either Black or Serpent isle, please edit your configuration file and rerun exult
[23:03:09] <wjp> and on the console?
[23:03:46] <Rizzy> Nothing.
[23:03:50] <Rizzy> just Aborted.
[23:04:15] <Rizzy> Platform: Linux version 2.4.18
[23:04:15] <Rizzy> Data path = /usr/share/exult
[23:04:15] <Rizzy> Internal cheapass forked timidity synthesiser
[23:04:15] <Rizzy> is_installed: ./static/endgame.dat
[23:04:15] <Rizzy> is_installed: ./static/sispeech.spc
[23:04:18] <Rizzy> lucy:/home/rizzy#
[23:04:23] <Rizzy> That's all from the console.
[23:04:42] <wjp> where exactly did you put BG?
[23:04:49] <Rizzy> ~/ULTIMA7
[23:05:36] <wjp> which version of exult did you install exactly?
[23:05:57] <wjp> the versions in debian are rather old, but it depends on which flavour of debian you're using
[23:06:37] <Rizzy> I think 0.98
[23:06:42] <wjp> yikes
[23:06:44] <wjp> debian stable, then?
[23:06:53] <Rizzy> yes.
[23:07:08] <wjp> 0.98 is from march 2002
[23:07:15] <Rizzy> exult_0.98rc1-2_i386.deb is the actual packages.
[23:07:29] <Rizzy> I couldn't get the newest one to build.
[23:08:03] <wjp> build errors?
[23:08:12] <Rizzy> Yes.
[23:08:15] <wjp> if so, which version of gcc does debian stable have?
[23:08:21] <Rizzy> lemme check
[23:08:33] <Rizzy> 2.95.4
[23:08:40] <wjp> oh boy
[23:08:52] <wjp> that might cause trouble, yes
[23:09:09] <wjp> I don't think any of us have tried to compile exult on a gcc < 3 in years
[23:09:19] <Rizzy> yeah this comp is pretty old.
[23:09:42] <Rizzy> This is the first thing that hasn't compiled...
[23:09:53] <wjp> I think we pretty much require gcc 3+
[23:09:57] <Rizzy> whats the newest version of gcc
[23:10:13] <Rizzy> I'll get that then try to build a newer version of exult.
[23:10:19] <wjp> not sure, but at least 3.2.3
[23:10:34] <wjp> upgrading gcc is rather 'invasive'
[23:10:45] <Rizzy> I feared that.
[23:11:21] <wjp> I have no idea how easy/safe it is to upgrade it on debian
[23:11:30] <wjp> (never used debian myself)
[23:11:33] <Rizzy> Gotcha.
[23:11:50] <Rizzy> Its strange that it ran the first time though..
[23:12:20] <wjp> possible causes:
[23:12:28] <wjp> 1) it can't find or read the configuration file
[23:12:37] <wjp> 2) the contents of the configuration file are incorrect
[23:12:52] <wjp> 3) it can't find or read the .flx files in /usr/share/exult
[23:12:57] <wjp> 4) it can't find or read the game data files
[23:13:14] <Rizzy> herm..
[23:14:03] <wjp> I'm not sure where the config file is on debian... I seem to remember they changed it
[23:14:09] <wjp> might be /etc/exult.cfg
[23:14:28] <Rizzy> .exult.cfg is in the ~ dir, and the path for the game is under <game><blackgate><path>./home/rizzy/ULTIMA7</path>
[23:15:05] <Rizzy> cd Yeah its there as well my home dir.
[23:15:59] <Rizzy> the one in /etc is different though.
[23:16:03] <Rizzy> The path is the same.
[23:16:42] <Rizzy> Unless I just have to take out the .
[23:17:04] <Rizzy> nope.
[23:18:13] <wjp> um, "./home/rizzy/ULTIMA" ?
[23:18:15] <Rizzy> okay I think I got it now.
[23:18:22] <wjp> that's not a valid path
[23:18:25] <Rizzy> I know
[23:18:30] <Rizzy> I just noticed that as well.
[23:18:31] <Rizzy> :P
[23:19:26] <Rizzy> Alright, things are looking good now..
[23:20:06] <wjp> it's a rather old version though, so if you run into any plot problems, we really can't help you
[23:20:41] <wjp> anyway, I should be going; it's getting rather late here
[23:20:58] <Rizzy> Okay, thanks a lot for your help, I'll play with this until I get stuck again :P
[23:21:06] <Rizzy> Everything seems to be working again...
[23:21:13] <Rizzy> And repeatedly.
[23:21:23] <Rizzy> Have a good night. thanks.
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[23:45:54] <Baastuul> http://imagenes.yonkis.com/291220038036.jpg