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[04:34:20] <DWing010> hi
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[06:14:12] <ShadwChsr> hi :0
[06:14:34] <ShadwChsr> :)
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[06:18:02] <ShadwChsr> hey
[06:18:06] <Colourless> hi
[06:18:42] <ShadwChsr> I'm in search of kind souls filled with game development knowledge ;)
[06:19:11] <Colourless> uh oh... :-)_
[06:19:35] <ShadwChsr> I've been here before in the past talking - working on an isometric game system
[06:19:48] <Colourless> i see
[06:20:11] <ShadwChsr> I realize exult isn't isometric but you're team is the only opensource game effort out there that has actually done an excellent job ;)
[06:20:28] <ShadwChsr> Anyhow I'm stuck on collision detection - Got a moment?
[06:20:33] <Colourless> ow... thanks i guess :-)
[06:20:47] <Colourless> what's your problem?
[06:21:35] <ShadwChsr> Each object/player/etc type in the system can have multiple 'collision boxes'
[06:21:48] <ShadwChsr> 3 parameters - X Size, Y Size, Z Size
[06:22:41] <Colourless> hmm, i see.
[06:22:41] <ShadwChsr> The X and Y axis are rotated to line up with the isometric tiles. That way, I can define the bounding boxes as "cubes" instead of using verticies and a point based system
[06:22:43] <ShadwChsr> with me so far?
[06:23:06] <Colourless> yeah, i understand
[06:23:17] <Colourless> axis aligned bounding boxes :-)
[06:23:38] <ShadwChsr> When all the bounding boxes are loaded into the list, all the sizes line up. The problem i'm having is with the origins
[06:23:48] <ShadwChsr> each bounding box is "centered" on a tile
[06:23:54] <ShadwChsr> so they have tile coordinates
[06:24:13] <ShadwChsr> Of course, the tile-coordinate system has a 'normal', non aligned axis ;)
[06:24:47] <ShadwChsr> So what I'm trying to do is calculate the position of the bounding box, on the "bounding box style axis"
[06:25:22] <Colourless> hmm. why can't you use the same axis for everything? that is what is normally done
[06:25:56] <ShadwChsr> I tried using various trig routines and drawing zillions of diagrams to help visualize it, but because the axis is roated, I end up dealing with negative and positive X values, instead of just positive
[06:26:46] <ShadwChsr> I suppose I could change it... it would make my maps diamond in shape instead of square though
[06:26:49] <ShadwChsr> any idea what U8 used?
[06:27:04] <Colourless> sure do
[06:27:16] <Colourless> in u8 everything was aligned to tile boundries
[06:27:38] <Colourless> a tile was shaped like a diamond
[06:28:06] <ShadwChsr> how was collision detection done? Simmilar method to what I did?
[06:28:10] <Colourless> the top point would be (0,0) the left most point would be (0,1), the right most point would be (1,0) and the bottom point would be (1,1)
[06:28:30] <Colourless> collision detection was done on bounding boxes that were aligned to the tile axis
[06:28:52] <ShadwChsr> Well at least I'm *somewhat* with it :)
[06:29:12] <ShadwChsr> What do you mean about the 0,0, 1,1, etc coordinates?
[06:29:17] <ShadwChsr> They used floating point?
[06:29:21] <Colourless> just a sec, i'll make a diagram
[06:29:32] <Colourless> no, it was all integer
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[06:32:25] <ShadwChsr> OK... I'll wait until I see the diagram until I hassle you with more questions
[06:32:39] <DrCode> Wow, there are people here!
[06:32:47] <ShadwChsr> :)
[06:32:54] <DrCode> Hi.
[06:34:39] <Colourless> hi Darke|afk
[06:34:44] <Colourless> drcode i mean :-)
[06:34:49] <Colourless> damn auto-complete
[06:34:51] <DrCode> Heh. Hi Ryan.
[06:35:03] <DrCode> Usually there's nobody here at this time.
[06:35:58] <Colourless> ShadwChsr: here's a picture from u8 with boxes highlighed. http://www.users.on.net/triforce/u8boxes.png
[06:35:59] <DrCode> Must be afternoon where you are.
[06:36:12] <Colourless> DrCode: yeah it's just after 4pm
[06:38:02] <DrCode> So U8 is really a 3D game?
[06:38:25] <Colourless> DrCode: yeah it pretty much is
[06:38:52] <ShadwChsr> ok.. that looks exactially how I'm doing my collision boxes
[06:39:22] <ShadwChsr> What exactially is a "map" in u8?
[06:41:02] <Colourless> the map themselves (there are multiple maps) are shaped like a diamond, but the entire map isn't completely used, so there shape actually varies
[06:42:03] <DrCode> Since bounding boxes are smaller than tiles, what's the smallest unit of measurement?
[06:42:59] <Colourless> 'tiny'. if i'm not mistaken, it's half a pixel effectively :-)
[06:43:05] <DrCode> ...feel like you're a lecturer:-?
[06:43:25] <Colourless> :-)
[06:45:01] <Colourless> IIRC each tile is 64x64 units
[06:45:01] <ShadwChsr> How are the maps (ie/ ground) held? An array is a 2d shape, not isometric.
[06:45:19] <ShadwChsr> did they have some sort of special structure? a list?
[06:46:02] <Colourless> the world was a linked list in the original. there is no ground plane as such. everything in the world is made up of individual objects.
[06:46:51] <ShadwChsr> Even ground tiles? wow
[06:46:56] <Colourless> yeah
[06:47:42] <Colourless> but to make things easier, ground/terrain/building were constructed out of 'globs' which are 512x512 sets of predefined objects
[06:48:33] <ShadwChsr> if they have no ground plane, how did they reference positions and locations?
[06:48:52] <Colourless> there is a 0 z level. everything is built above it
[06:49:26] <ShadwChsr> I mean, how did they say "draw tile at position 100,50 if it was only a linked list?
[06:49:50] <Colourless> every ovject has a z coord
[06:50:07] <ShadwChsr> what about x and y?
[06:50:15] <Colourless> and x and y too
[06:50:36] <ShadwChsr> how was x and y ordered?
[06:50:43] <Colourless> what do you mean?
[06:50:59] <ShadwChsr> *hits forehead* duh rotated axis....
[06:51:00] <ShadwChsr> ;)
[06:51:24] <ShadwChsr> was the "first" tile 0,0 or 1,1?
[06:51:45] <Colourless> the origin is 0,0
[06:52:19] <ShadwChsr> was map size constant?
[06:53:58] <Colourless> yeah the size was costant. it was 65536x65536 units (16 bit integer limit), however it was never always completely used and the map makers would put in 'blocking terrain' to prevent the player from going out of bounds.
[06:55:13] <ShadwChsr> How did they draw things in the correct order if they could be positioned in between tiles?
[06:55:24] <Colourless> very very difficultly :-)
[06:55:29] <ShadwChsr> oh? :)
[06:55:37] <Colourless> we haven't even got the draw order correct yet :-)
[06:55:41] <ShadwChsr> I noticed UO uses a "sliced tile" concept
[06:55:59] <ShadwChsr> so that terrain/walls/etc fit into a larger grid and draw correctly
[06:56:11] <ShadwChsr> that only leaves the problem with player/character sprites which can be between tiles
[06:56:21] <ShadwChsr> I was thinking of using a simple clipping system for them
[06:57:34] <Colourless> since objects can never (or are never supposed to) intersect the easiest way to do draw order sorting it to use a dependancy tree
[06:57:53] <ShadwChsr> Sounds nasty :)
[06:58:53] <Colourless> you test each object to see if it overlaps another objecct in 2d space. if the object does overlap you work out if it's infront or behind (not that hard, but requires a lot of thought) and then make a dependancy out of the object and the one it was being checked against
[06:59:33] <Colourless> once sorting is finished, you run through the tree, and begin paiting objects once they don't have any dependancies, or all of their dependancies have been painted
[06:59:59] <Colourless> to make sure objects don't get painted multiple times, you mark and object as being painted, and if you 'hit' that object again, you skip it
[07:00:38] <ShadwChsr> Question is - do I keep my current system (tile slicing), or recode it with a dependency tree?
[07:00:46] <DrCode> Interesting, but it's kind of late here. See ya.
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[07:01:20] <Colourless> what ever works best for you
[07:01:54] <Colourless> just fyi, here's a pic showing an edge between an unused part and a used part of a u8 map http://www.users.on.net/triforce/u8edge.png
[07:02:51] <Colourless> i really can't make that decision for you :-)
[07:03:00] <Colourless> i don't know enough about tile slicing
[07:04:11] <Colourless> if you were 'really' crazy and knew that all of your objects/sprites are always within their bounding boxed you could try depth buffering... but it's normally really slow in software :-)
[07:04:42] <ShadwChsr> *nods
[07:17:28] <ShadwChsr> Thanks for your help :)
[07:17:33] <ShadwChsr> This should keep me busy for awhile
[07:18:30] <Colourless> :-)
[07:33:18] <Colourless> got to go for now. bbl
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[10:37:05] <wjp> hi
[11:03:37] <Darke> Hi.
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[11:17:18] <Colourless> hi
[11:21:51] <wjp> hi
[11:24:20] <Darke> Hi.
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[11:33:52] <wjp|away> (I'll be back in ~4 hours, I think)
[11:35:39] <Colourless> k cya
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[13:07:28] <SB-X> hello
[13:09:43] <SB-X> hmm too bad, i missed shadowchsr
[13:09:53] <SB-X> and drcode too but whats new
[13:10:12] <Colourless> but i didn't! that's what's new :-)
[13:10:32] <Colourless> plus wjp and me found the fmopl compiling problem :-)
[13:10:58] <SB-X> i saw :-) is it fixed in cvs?
[13:11:25] <Colourless> yep now it is
[13:13:05] <Darke> Hi SB-X.
[13:13:08] <SB-X> will try to compile now...
[13:13:18] <SB-X> hi
[13:13:22] <SB-X> Darke: you let Colourless down
[13:26:48] * Darke deflates Colourless. He didn't even know he inflated the dragon in the first place. *grin*
[13:28:47] <SB-X> that is an evil misunderstanding of what i said :)
[13:28:51] <Colourless> very funny
[13:29:50] <Colourless> does darke even know what the comment relates to?
[13:30:52] * SB-X shrugs.
[13:33:41] * Darke looks innocent. There's _no_ way he'd deliberately mistake something SB-X said, nope. He doesn't know what the comment relates to at _all_. *innocentblink*
[13:34:33] * Colourless looks mad! He hears that roasted rabbit tastes quite nice... hmmm.... rabbit....
[13:36:23] * Darke hums, "Run rabbit. Run, rabbit. Run, run. run." and giggles.
[13:36:44] * Darke actually tried rabbit pie. It was a bit on the 'flavourless' side of things. *grin*
[13:37:39] <Colourless> eew... how could you... cannibal... I am just *so* not hungry now
[13:38:54] <SB-X> maybe he was starving and had nothing else to eat
[13:39:07] <SB-X> so he had to eat his friends
[13:39:16] * SB-X shrugs again.
[13:40:59] <Colourless> regardless of his reasons, the bunny has managed to save himself from the flames
[13:41:07] * Darke looks innocent.
[13:41:59] <Colourless> i don't know why i put up with you... your just too cute i guess :-)
[13:42:22] * Darke laughs.
[13:42:52] * Darke wonders if he should add that to the exult quotes file. *grin*
[13:43:22] * Darke suspects he'd be roasted then, cute or not. *grin*
[13:43:50] <Colourless> :-)
[13:43:57] <Colourless> add it to the pentagram quotes then :-)
[13:44:17] <Darke> Will do. *grin*
[13:44:27] * Darke afks for a bit. Reality to attend to.
[13:46:18] <Colourless> reality... what's that... you trying to say I am not a dragon and you are not a rabbit?
[13:50:00] <SB-X> !@#$ @#$%!!!
[13:50:19] <SB-X> i dont believe this
[13:51:09] * SB-X was about to archive a project directory for backup, but instead extracted the contents of an old backup archive into the project directory.
[13:52:02] <SB-X> first i accidentally delete two source files the other day, and now this
[13:52:14] <Colourless> hmm, not good
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[14:01:07] <SB-X> not at all, unless you really don't care for the code you wrote in the last 2 days, and then you might be glad it's gone and you can start over :)
[14:02:29] <Colourless> i have found that if such incidents occur, you write the new code much quicker, and it's generally better too :-)
[14:09:16] <SB-X> nice words of inspiration
[14:09:31] * Darke suggests the miracle device known as a 'version control program'. *grin*
[14:12:52] * Colourless has lost 'too much' code due to crashing the operating system when writing Directx and OpenGL programs. Doing that is always fun if the disk writeback cache hasn't been flushed. He now hates writing code on FAT file systems :-)
[14:16:36] * Darke is quite proud of the fact he's only ever lost code to his own stupidity. *grin*
[14:17:22] <Colourless> :-)
[14:24:11] * Darke watches the dragon quickly create a pentagram-quotes file and slip that one in it. *grin*
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[14:25:00] <Fingolfin> yo
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[14:25:03] <Colourless> no, such things will not be done by me. i will not add anything to the pentagram cvs
[14:25:06] <Colourless> hi Fingolfin
[14:25:19] <Darke> Hi Fingolfin.
[14:26:04] <SB-X> hi
[14:26:28] <Colourless> i think i'll clarify that statement, i will not be the 'first people' to add anything to the pentagram cvs :-)
[14:27:01] * Darke looks sleepily over his pentagram dir. It looks like he's kind-of started to flesh out the file tree and build system too. (Canabalising stuff from the old/ tree.)
[14:28:28] <Colourless> you do realize the entire universe will collapse if you commit any code :-)
[14:28:54] <Colourless> canabalizing stuff from old is ok. it's not like i'm not going to do that too
[14:30:44] <SB-X> pentagram's bug count will increase infinitely
[14:31:12] * Darke cackles and sets up the universe for an imminent implosion.
[14:31:36] <Darke> Colourless: Yeah. I figured that. *grin*
[14:31:41] <Colourless> uh oh, this is going to be good :-)
[14:37:47] * Darke decides to be 'good' on the morrow. *grin* Night all!
[14:38:18] <Colourless> cya :-)
[14:38:36] <Colourless> *cough*coward, don't want to destroy the universe*cough*
[14:38:48] * Darke quickly sets the clone-o-matic to replicate SB-X infinitely, moments before he hops out the door.
[14:39:14] <Darke> I don't? *evilgiggle* What is the threat of an infinite number of SB-X's then? *grin*
[14:39:21] <Colourless> well, it's not like there isn't already a sb-x clone on sf island
[14:39:33] * Darke disappears before the universe implodes. *grin*
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[14:43:48] * SB-X looks around.
[14:43:48] * SB-X unplugs the clone-o-matic.
[14:44:07] * SB-X goes back to his work.
[14:44:32] * Colourless plugs it back in, you will not disrupt the actions of the bunny
[14:50:34] * SB-X doesn't think it works anyhow.
[14:50:39] * SB-X kicks the clone-o-matic.
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[15:07:21] <wjp> hi again
[15:07:28] <Colourless> hi
[15:09:09] <SB-X> hi
[15:12:04] <Fingolfin> re wjp (again here)
[15:19:43] <wjp> :-)
[16:05:45] <SB-X> hehe
[16:05:52] <SB-X> let's all donate to the OPN fund! :-D
[16:10:17] <Fingolfin> hum?
[16:10:55] <SB-X> (in response to -FUNDRAISING- [Global Notice])
[16:11:31] <Fingolfin> oh, I have that on /ignore
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[17:42:16] <Colourless> i think i'll go now
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[17:46:07] <SB-X> me too
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[18:12:45] <Dominus> hi
[18:12:47] <wjp> hi
[18:24:31] <Fingolfin> hi
[18:27:51] <wjp> hm, that 'explosion' crash is interesting
[18:28:24] <Dominus> crashes for me instantly
[18:28:35] <wjp> blowing up pyro-x works, though
[18:28:43] <wjp> but that savegame crashes
[18:28:55] <Dominus> must be something else
[18:29:42] <wjp> it jumps to 0x0000001e from the time queue
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[18:43:47] <Dominus> well can anyone say if that hierophant in the crypts is supposed to tell you what artifact you are missing? I don't believe so
[18:45:25] <wjp> yeah,he does
[18:45:53] <Dominus> so what is wrong with exult that he doesn't?
[18:46:06] <wjp> it worked for me when I played SI
[18:46:50] <Dominus> ah, misunderstanding, I think
[18:47:20] <Dominus> he tells you which artifacts you need to complete the game but not when you summon him and it fails :-)
[18:47:37] <wjp> yeah, he can't tell you since you didn't summon him :-)
[18:48:13] <Dominus> true enough
[18:48:19] <Dominus> I'll amil that to chris
[18:48:25] <Dominus> amil=mail
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[19:37:13] <artaxerxes> yo
[19:37:49] <artaxerxes> how zeveryone doing ?
[19:37:51] <wjp> hi
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[19:38:08] <artaxerxes> yo Skutarth
[19:38:10] <Skutarth> Hello
[19:38:18] <Skutarth> did you read what I posted?
[19:38:19] <artaxerxes> wassup?
[19:38:20] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:38:21] <artaxerxes> yup
[19:38:25] <Skutarth> that's cool
[19:38:30] <artaxerxes> what's cool?
[19:38:47] <artaxerxes> pentagram?
[19:38:50] <Skutarth> someone is starting Pentagram
[19:38:51] <Skutarth> yes
[19:38:52] <Skutarth> off you
[19:38:58] <Skutarth> Good job ;)
[19:39:06] <wjp> um, take a look at the team members :-)
[19:39:10] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:39:11] <artaxerxes> and who is starting it?
[19:39:15] <Skutarth> I dunno
[19:39:20] <artaxerxes> wjp: well said
[19:39:20] <Skutarth> just a sec
[19:39:34] <artaxerxes> that's why I am still in high mood because of your post!
[19:39:43] <artaxerxes> :)
[19:39:54] <Skutarth> why I'm stoopid
[19:39:58] <Skutarth> I'm ignorant
[19:39:59] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:40:01] <Skutarth> name
[19:40:10] <artaxerxes> hilarious
[19:40:51] <Skutarth> plll
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[19:40:57] <Skutarth> I looked at real names
[19:41:02] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:41:04] <Skutarth> not nicks
[19:41:04] <artaxerxes> how curious though that Jeff isn't in the team... was he burnt by U7 usecode ?
[19:41:05] <Skutarth> oops
[19:41:14] <Skutarth> well
[19:41:25] <Skutarth> why are you guys still in the planning stage?
[19:41:40] * Skutarth is feeling rather stupid right now
[19:41:46] <wjp> we're expecting to be in the planning stage for quite a while :-)
[19:41:54] <artaxerxes> IIRC, u8 is much more complicated than u7
[19:41:54] <Skutarth> lol
[19:41:58] <Skutarth> true true
[19:42:02] <wjp> the only code we wrote so far is just experimental code
[19:42:09] <Skutarth> cool
[19:42:16] <Skutarth> I wish I could program
[19:42:21] <artaxerxes> mind you, I like Ryan's idea of drawing in a gump
[19:42:22] <Skutarth> but sadly I'm stupid
[19:42:27] <wjp> artaxerxes: in a way, yes, but it's also a lot cleaner
[19:42:33] <wjp> a lot more is handled by usecode
[19:42:44] <wjp> so it should mean less weird stuff for us to figure out
[19:42:49] <Skutarth> hmm
[19:42:59] <Skutarth> why make it actually run it?
[19:43:13] <Skutarth> U8 run works fine on all platforms
[19:43:18] <Skutarth> er
[19:43:21] <Skutarth> U8run
[19:43:21] <wjp> um, it does?
[19:43:28] <Skutarth> U8W
[19:43:32] <wjp> funny, your definition of 'all' is kind of limited
[19:43:35] <artaxerxes> and having a 1600x1200 screen with a 320x200x2 in the middle and the stat gumps and other gumps around sounds really cool.. wished it was the case for exult
[19:43:36] <Skutarth> U8W.exe
[19:43:41] <Skutarth> or com
[19:43:44] <Dominus|away> you see it is called U8 for Windows isn't it?
[19:43:45] <Skutarth> whatever it is
[19:43:47] <wjp> by 'all' you mean windows and dos?
[19:43:54] <Skutarth> YES
[19:44:00] <Skutarth> no
[19:44:01] <artaxerxes> limited indeed
[19:44:11] <Skutarth> all windows above 3.1
[19:44:12] <Dominus|away> look at our FAQ and see on which platform Exult runs
[19:44:17] <Skutarth> ;)
[19:44:22] <Skutarth> NO
[19:44:23] <Dominus|away> and then say that again that u8 runs on all platforms
[19:44:25] <artaxerxes> hey Dominus! You're away! :)
[19:44:36] <Skutarth> Ultima 8 runs on all platforms
[19:44:36] <Dominus|away> I meant to be
[19:44:40] <Skutarth> er
[19:44:45] <wjp> Dominus can't ignore a chance to point at the FAQ :-)
[19:44:53] <wjp> ;-)
[19:44:56] <Dominus|away> me? never! :-)
[19:45:06] <Dominus|away> did it three times today, I think
[19:45:12] <Dominus|away> actually 4 times :-)
[19:45:16] <Skutarth> Ultima 8 for Windows runs on all Windows platforms above 3.1
[19:45:19] --- Dominus|away is now known as Dominus
[19:45:24] <Skutarth> are you happy?
[19:45:24] <artaxerxes> :)
[19:45:25] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:45:44] <Skutarth> so just leave pentagram where it s
[19:45:46] <Skutarth> is
[19:45:52] <artaxerxes> Skutarth, you flood the chan like I've never seen a chan being flooded
[19:45:54] <Skutarth> make it a shape and map viewer
[19:46:18] <Dominus> and it runs without scalers, in NT based OS (W2k, XP) you have no sfx and so on
[19:46:19] <Skutarth> That's because I have a thing about writing everthying into one sentence
[19:46:29] <Skutarth> close enough ;)
[19:46:47] <Skutarth> actually, I did get the sound to work correctly on it once
[19:46:56] <artaxerxes> so why did you want me to come in the chan anyways?
[19:46:57] <Dominus> not the sound
[19:46:59] <Skutarth> I used the cheat enabler
[19:47:00] <Dominus> the sfx
[19:47:01] <Skutarth> and ran it
[19:47:05] <Dominus> you can get music
[19:47:14] <Skutarth> and it used the sfx for some reason
[19:47:25] <artaxerxes> Dominus: it also runs on NT
[19:47:42] <Skutarth> er, I saw it at half price books, but what does the voice pack do?
[19:47:47] <Skutarth> I never figured that out
[19:47:55] * Skutarth scratches his head
[19:47:57] <wjp> it adds a bit of speech to the important cutscenes
[19:48:02] <Skutarth> oh
[19:48:04] <Dominus> artaxerxes: yeah, didn't want to get to technical as NT based OS (NT, W2k, XP) looked kind of odd :-)
[19:48:22] <Skutarth> It's funny
[19:48:40] <Skutarth> I keep making parenthetical references to Ultima 7 while playing UO
[19:48:45] <artaxerxes> have you actually tried u8 in NT Dominus ?
[19:48:53] <Skutarth> and everyone says "What's Ultima 7?"
[19:48:56] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:48:59] <artaxerxes> dhsmr
[19:49:01] <artaxerxes> shame
[19:49:15] <Skutarth> they should play it
[19:49:17] <Dominus> artaxerxes: no I haven't, but Vlad (the VDMS guy) did once
[19:49:25] <artaxerxes> I did. and I finished it too
[19:49:35] <Skutarth> I kept saying you can only get infinite bows in Ultima 7... Hehehe
[19:49:38] <artaxerxes> with VDMS
[19:49:40] <wjp> yeah, most UO players never heard of the main series :-)
[19:49:44] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:49:45] <Skutarth> sad
[19:49:50] <artaxerxes> shame
[19:50:03] <wjp> I've seen comments like "But they cancelled Ultima 2, how could there be a 7?!"
[19:50:14] <Skutarth> I should start reccomending UC to them, hehehe, also Exult to go with it
[19:50:19] <Dominus> artaxerxes: but you didn't get speech and sfx in u8 on NT, right (I mean correct sounding ones :-))
[19:50:19] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:50:33] <Skutarth> lol
[19:50:40] <artaxerxes> Dominus: I got the music but not the sfx
[19:50:49] <Skutarth> I got both once
[19:51:01] <Skutarth> It works sometimes, one or the other, randomely
[19:51:02] <Dominus> Skutarth: correct sounding?
[19:51:04] <Skutarth> er
[19:51:19] <Skutarth> I didn't say that
[19:51:22] <artaxerxes> the intro scene where out.. but the game was ok
[19:51:28] <Dominus> getting it is no problem
[19:51:34] <Skutarth> you mean Artaxerxes: correct sounding?
[19:51:47] <Skutarth> it sux
[19:51:48] <artaxerxes> I don't really have a professional hear anyways
[19:51:57] <Dominus> Skutarth: I meant you
[19:52:06] <Skutarth> the ending scene to Ultima 8 has nothing to do with Ultima IX
[19:52:21] <Skutarth> it's sad how they through the Ultima plot out the window
[19:52:24] <Skutarth> :(
[19:52:32] <artaxerxes> Skutarth: so why did you want me to come in the chan anyways?
[19:52:36] <Dominus> Skutarth: it's the other way round, U9 had nothing to do with Ultima (not much that is)
[19:52:50] <Skutarth> so you could laugh at me, artaxerxes!
[19:52:51] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:53:04] <artaxerxes> to be frankly honest w/ you guys, I did enjoy u8 after a little while
[19:53:10] <artaxerxes> ah
[19:53:17] * wjp liked u8
[19:53:36] <Skutarth> Dominus: That's what I said, Ultima 8 has nothing to do with Ultima IX and vice versa
[19:53:39] <Dominus> artaxerxes: as I played first WITH the patch, I also liked it (though not as much as u7 and the UWs)
[19:53:42] <artaxerxes> at first, I thought it sucked... but very soon I got pretty much addicted
[19:53:57] <Skutarth> I've never played UW
[19:54:01] <Skutarth> :(
[19:54:09] <Skutarth> can't find it anywhere!
[19:54:12] <artaxerxes> Dominus: yeah, my brother pulled hair everytime he had to jump on rocks
[19:54:16] <wjp> UW1 was pretty good, if a little short
[19:54:18] <wjp> UW2 was great
[19:54:24] <Skutarth> they should have put it on the UC cd
[19:54:28] <Skutarth> both of them
[19:54:35] <artaxerxes> I thought UW1 was terribly long! Never played uW2
[19:54:39] <Dominus> Skutarth: it's little things that make the power of the word. U8 came out years before u9, so it has to be the other way round :-)
[19:54:40] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:54:47] <Skutarth> oh, ok
[19:54:49] <Skutarth> I meant that
[19:55:11] <Dominus> Skutarth: look a ebay
[19:55:13] <Skutarth> when they made it, they made it deny the older game's history...
[19:55:16] <Skutarth> ergh
[19:55:17] <artaxerxes> you guys know on what platform I can run uw2 ?
[19:55:34] <artaxerxes> I
[19:55:38] * Skutarth *cough*expensive*cough*
[19:55:45] <Dominus> artaxerxes: a dos emulator or wine could do it I guess
[19:55:55] <artaxerxes> I'm also looking forward to uw1 on linux... :)
[19:55:57] <Skutarth> ergh
[19:56:06] <artaxerxes> but I do have NT at work
[19:56:16] <Skutarth> there is a program in development for Ultima Underworld for Windows
[19:56:20] <Skutarth> hmm
[19:56:26] <Dominus> artaxerxes: it works on NT with a little hack
[19:56:26] <wjp> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372334541 <-- US$15 for UW1 + UW2
[19:56:32] <Skutarth> UnderWorld Adventures I think it is
[19:56:33] <wjp> not that expensive, IMHO
[19:56:37] <artaxerxes> I've tried to play games on a DOS emulator on linux but it failed pretty much always
[19:56:44] <Skutarth> oh
[19:56:45] <Skutarth> hehehe
[19:56:46] <wjp> Skutarth: yeah, underworld adventures
[19:56:59] * wjp maintains the linux version of uwadv
[19:57:11] * artaxerxes congratulates wjp
[19:57:14] <Skutarth> cool
[19:57:33] <Dominus> artaxerxes: load uw.exe into a hex editor, look for FA 52 BA 03 00 E4 64 A8 02
[19:57:34] <artaxerxes> Dominus: could you tell me more ?
[19:57:36] <artaxerxes> thx
[19:57:41] <Skutarth> you can find it at the Ultima Reconstruction
[19:57:47] <Dominus> artaxerxes: patch the FA byte to C3
[19:57:59] <artaxerxes> for uw or uw2 ?
[19:58:06] <Dominus> for both
[19:58:09] <Skutarth> cool
[19:58:11] <Skutarth> really?
[19:58:19] <Dominus> details: UW2 has a function which sends "set LED indicators" command to the
[19:58:19] <Dominus> keyboard ports, bypassing BIOS.
[19:58:29] <Dominus> this way of accessing ports is incompatible with NTVDM and hangs it. NTVDM
[19:58:30] <Dominus> waits forever on some Win32 event as a result of the DOS app reading the
[19:58:30] <Dominus> port.
[19:58:40] <artaxerxes> ah
[19:58:41] <Dominus> the patch switches the function away at all, C3 is RETN
[19:58:51] <Skutarth> hmm
[19:58:52] <artaxerxes> interesting
[19:58:54] <Skutarth> I was wondering
[19:59:08] <Skutarth> How can Exult be so cool?! hehehe :)
[19:59:37] <Skutarth> it's a game I play over and over again
[19:59:46] <Fingolfin> you mean U7 :-)
[19:59:50] <artaxerxes> can we really say Exult is a game?
[20:00:01] <Skutarth> it has a replay value at 100 at a scale between 1-10
[20:00:02] <artaxerxes> Fingolfin: you type faster than me! :)
[20:00:08] <Skutarth> er
[20:00:09] <Skutarth> yeah
[20:00:12] <Skutarth> but
[20:00:15] * Fingolfin by chance just glanced into the channel =)
[20:00:16] <Dominus> artaxerxes: moscow dragon (one of the usecode pioneers in the newsgroup) discovered this for his version of UW2. I tested immediately on Uw and my version of Uw2 and it wroked and since then there is even a patch that will do this for you
[20:00:21] <Skutarth> Exult keeps making me play it again
[20:00:42] <artaxerxes> do I need VDMS ?
[20:01:04] <Dominus> artaxerxes: to get music and vice yes
[20:01:09] <Skutarth> ...
[20:01:18] <artaxerxes> vice? mouse ?
[20:01:18] <Dominus> artaxerxes: as with all dos games you need it
[20:01:23] <artaxerxes> ok
[20:01:23] <Skutarth> seen Skutarth
[20:01:24] <Dominus> oops
[20:01:27] <Dominus> voice
[20:01:27] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:01:33] <artaxerxes> :)
[20:01:33] <Dominus> ?seen Skutarth
[20:01:33] <exultbot> skutarth is right here!
[20:01:41] <Skutarth> ?seen foody
[20:01:41] <exultbot> foody left IRC around Thu Jan 31 18:10:20 2002 (GMT) ()
[20:01:45] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:02:04] <artaxerxes> Dominus: I appreciate the help... I'll give it a try
[20:02:15] <Skutarth> You are an Idiot, Ha-hahahaHAAA!-Ha-hahaHAAA!
[20:02:30] <Dominus> ?
[20:02:33] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:02:44] <artaxerxes> wjp: I command you for participating in all those awesome projects. Thank you.
[20:02:44] <Skutarth> see post U7 Construction kit
[20:02:48] <Dominus> artaxerxes: no problem
[20:02:58] <Skutarth> ;)
[20:03:11] <artaxerxes> same for all of you guys doing great stuff.
[20:03:24] <-- Skutarth was kicked from #exult by artaxerxes (artaxerxes)
[20:03:30] <artaxerxes> feels good
[20:03:36] <artaxerxes> sorry
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[20:03:51] <Dominus> artaxerxes: there seem to be some problems with that hex patch on some XP machines. Might be related to some detonator drivers AFAIK
[20:03:55] <Skutarth> what did I do?
[20:04:24] <artaxerxes> you helped relieving my itch on my foot... :)
[20:04:32] <Skutarth> hey
[20:04:36] <Skutarth> :)
[20:04:56] <Skutarth> No, really
[20:05:02] <Skutarth> What did I do?
[20:05:09] --- Dominus gives channel operator status to Skutarth
[20:05:12] <Dominus> you got five seconds
[20:05:15] <-- Skutarth has left #Exult ()
[20:05:15] <artaxerxes> oups
[20:05:28] <Dominus> he he
[20:05:29] <artaxerxes> alright! :)
[20:05:42] <Dominus> I gave him a chance :-)
[20:05:52] <artaxerxes> you traitor! ;-)
[20:06:03] <Dominus> had too :-)
[20:06:08] <artaxerxes> yeah I know
[20:06:10] <artaxerxes> I abused
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[20:06:14] <artaxerxes> wb
[20:06:20] * Skutarth sits silently this time
[20:06:36] <Dominus> skutarth, if someone gives you ops you don't have to leave the channel :-)
[20:06:42] <Skutarth> ?
[20:06:49] <Skutarth> what's an ops?
[20:06:52] <artaxerxes> he was giving you the opportunity to kick me back!
[20:06:58] <Skutarth> no
[20:07:02] <artaxerxes> yes
[20:07:03] <Skutarth> not kicking you
[20:07:04] <Dominus> artaxerxes: nah, it wasn't the abuse, it was more a weird experiment :-)
[20:07:09] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:07:11] <Skutarth> true
[20:07:13] <artaxerxes> ah ok
[20:07:26] <artaxerxes> dangerous though
[20:07:38] <Dominus> yep
[20:07:38] <Skutarth> I'm not mean, not going to kick a moderator
[20:07:50] <artaxerxes> there is no moderator
[20:07:57] <Skutarth> your a moderator
[20:07:58] <Skutarth> heheh
[20:08:10] <Dominus> there is only us and we happen to have ops and like to have fun
[20:08:12] <Dominus> :-)
[20:08:12] <artaxerxes> can't moderate something that's already said
[20:08:14] * Skutarth points to the @ before your name
[20:08:26] <artaxerxes> it means "ops"
[20:08:26] <Skutarth> that
[20:08:36] <Skutarth> oh
[20:09:06] <Skutarth> I thought you were banning me again, Dominus... ;)
[20:09:26] <artaxerxes> Dominus: how's like in Austria?
[20:09:38] <artaxerxes> s/like/life
[20:09:58] <Dominus> Skutarth: I think it was colourless that banned you last time or wjp
[20:10:13] <Dominus> artaxerxes: so so, why you're asking?
[20:10:20] <Skutarth> Ah, Austria, I had to do a report about there before, you guys have great cookies! hehehe :P
[20:10:30] <Skutarth> colourless
[20:10:35] <artaxerxes> never been there.. just wondering... I've been to Germany a couple times though
[20:10:35] <Dominus> Skutarth: a little too sweet for my taste
[20:10:36] <Skutarth> but I thought you were banning me
[20:10:47] <Dominus> ah
[20:10:51] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:11:03] <Skutarth> but that's +b I figured out
[20:11:10] <artaxerxes> Die Swartze Forest (?)
[20:11:16] <Skutarth> I saw a + and that frightened me off
[20:11:18] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:11:25] <Skutarth> a + AND my name!
[20:11:32] <Dominus> artaxerxes: if you ever had to do any formalities in Germany then you can imagine how it is in Austria (ten times worse) :-)
[20:11:50] <Skutarth> ?name
[20:11:50] <exultbot> Greetings Avatar. I am called Exultbot.
[20:11:53] <Skutarth> ?job
[20:11:53] <exultbot> My job is to write down everything you say.
[20:11:55] <Skutarth> ?bye
[20:11:55] <exultbot> Goodbye, Avatar.
[20:11:56] <artaxerxes> nope, never... the french ones aren't that great either !
[20:12:01] <Dominus> artaxerxes: the black forest or der Schawrzwald
[20:12:18] <Dominus> Schwarzwald :-)
[20:12:22] <artaxerxes> :)
[20:12:39] <artaxerxes> the french make a cake with this name.... hummm... yummy.
[20:12:55] <Skutarth> ...
[20:13:19] <artaxerxes> I heard it could snow pretty bad in Austria.. a guy made a site about how Vienna sucks..
[20:13:55] <artaxerxes> mind you, here in Toronto, there is really bad snowstorms
[20:14:01] <Skutarth> I'm posting a pic on my website, I'll have it done in a minute... I want you to tell me if it's good, because I'm entering it into letter art at Electronic Gaming Monthly... Gotta have all the feedback I can get!
[20:14:18] <Skutarth> keep in mind I'm only 13
[20:14:31] <artaxerxes> no kiddin' ? :)
[20:14:38] <Skutarth> bioe
[20:14:41] <Skutarth> ergh
[20:14:42] <Skutarth> nope
[20:15:07] <Skutarth> I have good taste for my age!
[20:15:07] <artaxerxes> would ne'er have guessed that! ;-)
[20:15:12] <Dominus> artaxerxes: that cake is actually from Germany (Schwazwälder Kirschtorte)
[20:15:24] <Skutarth> I have taste for a game that's older than me! hehehe ;)
[20:15:29] <Dominus> In Vienna the weather is ok
[20:15:51] <Dominus> but I wouldn't live anywhere else than Vienna in Austria
[20:15:56] <artaxerxes> brb
[20:16:24] <Dominus> right when I wanted to talk to him about Toronto
[20:16:31] <Dominus> not fair :-)
[20:16:59] <artaxerxes> back
[20:17:10] <Dominus> that was fast
[20:17:15] <artaxerxes> what do you want to know ?
[20:17:27] <Dominus> not much, I've been there a couple of times
[20:17:38] <Dominus> though I was young back then
[20:17:44] <artaxerxes> oh, when was that?
[20:17:56] <Dominus> my aunt used to live there but now moved to Nova Scotia
[20:18:16] <Dominus> I think the first time I want there was 15 years ago
[20:18:21] <Dominus> and the last time 7
[20:18:23] <artaxerxes> there is not that many german around toronto...
[20:18:26] <Dominus> years ago
[20:18:41] <Dominus> I even went to summer camp in Algonquin Park once
[20:18:44] <artaxerxes> I moved here about 3 years ago
[20:18:48] <artaxerxes> oh nice
[20:18:57] <artaxerxes> it's _HUGE_
[20:19:15] <Dominus> I still remember the Eaton Center (right?)
[20:19:30] <artaxerxes> well.... Eaton is down the drain...
[20:19:43] <Dominus> *sniff* childhood memories
[20:19:45] <artaxerxes> the centre is still here but without the Eaton store! :)
[20:19:58] <artaxerxes> but it's still called the Eaton Centre
[20:20:06] <Dominus> he he
[20:20:23] <artaxerxes> Sears has tried to resurrect it but failed last year
[20:20:42] <artaxerxes> it's a nice place though..
[20:21:09] <artaxerxes> I actually work very close to the eaton centre
[20:21:15] * Skutarth whistles while working on his page
[20:21:21] <Skutarth> I change it a lot
[20:21:32] <Skutarth> including subject
[20:21:33] <Skutarth> ;P
[20:21:41] <artaxerxes> Skutarth: why don't you work on your page instead of typing you are whistling!? :)
[20:22:02] * Skutarth opens Adobe Photoshop to export a bmp file into a jpg
[20:22:06] <Skutarth> for a websit
[20:22:06] <artaxerxes> ever been to Bremen ?
[20:22:09] <Skutarth> brb
[20:22:09] <Dominus> artaxerxes: how old are you?
[20:22:21] <artaxerxes> just turned 24
[20:22:45] <artaxerxes> 1978 was a good year.. :)
[20:23:09] <Dominus> he, I've only been to Bremen once and that was in bus on the way to the roskilde festival and it was about 3 am :-)
[20:23:17] <Dominus> I like 1976 even more :-)
[20:23:21] <artaxerxes> :)
[20:23:30] <artaxerxes> the year my wife was born.. yup.. good year
[20:23:49] <Dominus> ah, so you go for older women, eh? :-)
[20:24:10] * Dominus 's gf is born in 1975 :-)
[20:24:29] <artaxerxes> mature men choose older women... :)
[20:24:40] <Dominus> that is sooooooo right :-)
[20:25:19] <Dominus> all my gf were either born in 1975 or two years younger than me :-)
[20:25:25] <Skutarth> done
[20:25:28] <Skutarth> :)
[20:25:32] <artaxerxes> actually, my wife looks so young, she still gets IDed.. :)
[20:25:36] <Skutarth> www.geocities.com/skutarth
[20:26:09] * Fingolfin points out that 1980 rules them all, sorry for the '78 / '76 years but it's the plain truth
[20:26:20] <wjp> yup, definitely 1980 :-)
[20:26:40] <Dominus> well, 1976 is the year of the fire dragon, so we rule all :-)
[20:26:44] <Skutarth> Feedback is good! (still keep in mind I'm only 13)
[20:27:01] <artaxerxes> your picture tells it all! :)
[20:27:05] * Dominus wonders if he should look or not
[20:27:06] <Skutarth> I ought to try drawing Ulima Pictures
[20:27:45] <Skutarth> I was thinking about putting Richter Belmont and Count Vllad Tepes Dracula on the back
[20:27:46] <artaxerxes> 1978 was the year John Paul II came to power... if you ever care! :)
[20:27:51] <Skutarth> but I decided against it
[20:28:24] <Skutarth> artaxerxes: what do you mean "your picture tells it all! :)"
[20:28:37] <Dominus> maybe it'S your handwriting...
[20:28:46] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:28:47] <Dominus> not being meant mean
[20:28:54] <Skutarth> My handwriting sucks
[20:29:02] <Dominus> it just looks like a young boys handwriting
[20:29:18] <Skutarth> I say again, my handwriting sucks
[20:29:33] <artaxerxes> fun to see that young girls write better than young boys... I've always wondered why
[20:29:36] <Skutarth> 'nough said
[20:29:42] <Skutarth> hey
[20:29:43] <Skutarth> er
[20:29:54] <Dominus> artaxerxes: yeah
[20:31:10] <Skutarth> I meant before the "fun to see that young girls write better than young boys... I've always wondered why" to say 'nough said. hehehe
[20:31:34] <Skutarth> why did colourless ban me for the
[20:31:36] <artaxerxes> also, for some reason (this is not meant to be a sexist comment), but the girl are brilliant in early school year but they burn out faster... Guys take it easy for years, work just enough to pass but by the end they lead in classes.
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[20:31:53] <chuckles> the chuckles game thing
[20:31:55] <chuckles> ;P
[20:32:01] --- chuckles is now known as Skutarth
[20:32:18] <artaxerxes> same thing in your own country?
[20:32:54] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:32:58] <Skutarth> Chuckles is cool
[20:33:04] <Skutarth> Do you want to play the game?
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[20:33:42] <Skutarth> hey
[20:33:51] <Skutarth> what's wrong with chuckles?
[20:33:54] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:34:01] <Skutarth> except he's annoying, nothing
[20:34:10] <Skutarth> I always enjoy going through his game
[20:34:26] <artaxerxes> I should stop abusing my powers... :)
[20:34:26] <Skutarth> you should add a choice to him with exult
[20:34:51] <Skutarth> that says I wish to kill you. after the Of what do we speak? line
[20:34:53] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:35:14] <Dominus> artaxerxes: I don't have the feeling
[20:35:15] <Skutarth> that would rock
[20:35:24] <Dominus> about the girls/boy stuff I mean
[20:35:36] <artaxerxes> interesting
[20:36:00] <Skutarth> hmm
[20:36:13] <artaxerxes> Most girls I knew in kindergarden and public school have stopped school early but most boys have done post-graduate education
[20:36:18] <Skutarth> how do I upload audio?
[20:36:19] <Dominus> though I'm pretty sure that if I had done more than reading everything else but school stuff I would have been better
[20:36:24] <Skutarth> you know
[20:36:27] <Skutarth> you click a link
[20:36:31] <Skutarth> it plays a sound
[20:36:35] <artaxerxes> Dominus: I disagree.
[20:36:51] <Dominus> artaxerxes: huh?
[20:36:51] <artaxerxes> you should do the minimum during school year, so that you can last longer! :)
[20:36:56] <Dominus> he he
[20:37:01] <artaxerxes> that's what I did! :)
[20:37:07] <Skutarth> heheh
[20:37:28] <Skutarth> How do I upload audio so that when you click a link, it plays it?
[20:37:42] <Skutarth> I've never made a page before
[20:37:46] <Skutarth> ;)
[20:38:05] <artaxerxes> it's terrible.. my foot got an itch... :)
[20:38:10] <Skutarth> oh god no
[20:38:11] <Dominus> artaxerxes: what I meant was that while in school I was kind of good in mathematics but always the weeks before a test I'd find myself without a clue (as I didn't do homework) and then the day before the test
[20:38:12] --- wjp removes channel operator status from artaxerxes
[20:38:17] <wjp> ;-)
[20:38:19] <artaxerxes> ;)
[20:38:26] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:38:27] <Dominus> I learnt and found myself understanding the whole stuff pretty easy...
[20:38:31] <Skutarth> thank you wjp
[20:38:34] --- wjp gives channel operator status to artaxerxes
[20:38:34] <Skutarth> I salute you
[20:38:46] <artaxerxes> thx wjp... :)
[20:38:54] <artaxerxes> the itch passed... ;P
[20:39:00] <Skutarth> THANK YOU GOD!
[20:39:13] <Dominus> Skutarth: search the web, there are thousands of pages that might tell you what your problem is
[20:39:15] <Skutarth> (lives in the USA)
[20:39:30] * Dominus looks around
[20:39:32] <Skutarth> what?
[20:39:32] <artaxerxes> I liked maths too
[20:39:43] * Skutarth is wondering what dominus means by that
[20:39:47] <Skutarth> er
[20:39:49] * Dominus thinks that this american must feel pretty lonely around us Europeans
[20:39:51] <Skutarth> ment
[20:39:58] <Skutarth> I'm European
[20:40:02] <Skutarth> mostly
[20:40:09] <Skutarth> Irish French
[20:40:10] <artaxerxes> it started to get a tad bit too much when we were doing FFT
[20:40:13] <Dominus> assuming I remember correctly that artaxerxes is originally from France
[20:40:15] <Skutarth> my nationality
[20:40:20] <artaxerxes> Dominus: indeed
[20:40:50] <artaxerxes> Skutarth: we're not talking of your roots. We're talking of your culture
[20:40:56] <Skutarth> oh
[20:40:56] <Skutarth> heh
[20:41:00] <Skutarth> raised here
[20:41:13] <Skutarth> so I believe in god
[20:41:14] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:41:30] <Skutarth> Eurasia
[20:41:34] <Skutarth> Europe
[20:41:35] <Skutarth> Asia
[20:41:36] <artaxerxes> I _loved_ my last year of university... every single course was about computers (Except english)
[20:41:41] <Skutarth> Eurasians
[20:41:46] <Dominus> so, if you are raised in the US you belive in God if not you don't?
[20:41:46] <Skutarth> Europeans!
[20:41:54] <Skutarth> hm
[20:42:04] <Skutarth> I would be raised to a different culture
[20:42:13] <Skutarth> I don't really believe anything
[20:42:22] <Skutarth> religions start wars
[20:42:45] <artaxerxes> Dominus: mind you, the kid is almost right! The europeens (especially the french) don't really make a big place for god in their lives.
[20:42:49] <Skutarth> like Osama bin Laden thinks he terrorized us for Religion reasons
[20:43:19] <Skutarth> we think he did it cuz he's a jackass
[20:43:22] <artaxerxes> while the USens do it more...
[20:43:26] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:43:42] <Dominus> artaxerxes: yeah, true for Germany but in Austria they are pretty catholic all through
[20:43:51] <Dominus> artaxerxes: at least up front
[20:44:04] <artaxerxes> I see... churchgoes for the majority ?
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[20:44:37] <-- George_Bush was kicked from #exult by artaxerxes ("I don't like him either")
[20:44:46] <Fingolfin> hrm
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[20:44:50] <Skutarth> heheh
[20:44:52] <Dominus> damn, I wanted to kick him
[20:44:55] <Skutarth> me either
[20:45:00] <artaxerxes> please go ahead
[20:45:03] <wjp> I think I'll go run exult in valgrind
[20:45:03] <artaxerxes> be my guest
[20:45:05] <Skutarth> He's a sucky president
[20:45:14] <artaxerxes> wjp: I tried and failed
[20:45:15] <wjp> maybe that'll turn up some memory corruption for that explosion crash
[20:45:22] <wjp> artaxerxes: failed?
[20:45:29] <wjp> hm, it worked for me before
[20:45:33] <Dominus> to control the itch?
[20:45:36] <artaxerxes> yup.. seg fault
[20:45:42] <Skutarth> Earth's health is George Bush's last priority
[20:45:45] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:45:47] <wjp> fixed a couple of uninitialized variables it found
[20:45:47] <Skutarth> he sux
[20:45:51] <Skutarth> here
[20:45:53] <Skutarth> don't kick me
[20:45:55] <Skutarth> kick
[20:46:03] --- Skutarth is now known as George_Bush
[20:46:06] <George_Bush> me
[20:46:08] <George_Bush> hehehe
[20:46:09] <George_Bush> KICK ME
[20:46:16] <-- George_Bush was kicked from #exult by Dominus (jerk)
[20:46:19] <artaxerxes> wjp: valgrind would seg fault as soon as I launched it.
[20:46:30] <Fingolfin> I think next time i'll show him the /ban option
[20:46:35] <Fingolfin> just for a time at least
[20:46:39] <Dominus> I was tempted to
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[20:46:49] <artaxerxes> oh, it feels good
[20:46:51] <Skutarth> feel better now, Dominus?
[20:46:51] <Dominus> Skutarth: look at the logs
[20:46:56] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:46:58] <Dominus> now
[20:46:59] <wjp> I'm getting lots of " Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s)" inside SDL
[20:47:09] <Skutarth> I don't know where the logs are
[20:47:11] <artaxerxes> wjp: ohhh.. bad
[20:47:14] <Fingolfin> ?logs
[20:47:14] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[20:47:16] <artaxerxes> ?logs
[20:47:16] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[20:47:17] <Dominus> ?logs
[20:47:17] <exultbot> Logs are available at http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/exultlog.php3
[20:47:22] <artaxerxes> ;)
[20:47:22] <wjp> lol
[20:47:25] <Dominus> lol
[20:47:37] <exultbot> sorry :-)
[20:48:21] <Skutarth> gmm
[20:48:22] <Skutarth> hmm
[20:48:24] <Skutarth> banning
[20:48:30] <artaxerxes> like that word ?
[20:48:47] <Skutarth> bah
[20:49:05] <Skutarth> my bro is playing Dance Dance Revolution behind me and keeps bumping into me
[20:49:06] <Skutarth> hehehe
[20:49:20] <artaxerxes> wjp: I compiled from source and installed. But even a call with no parameters would core dump
[20:49:34] <wjp> hm, version 1.0.0?
[20:49:38] <artaxerxes> yup
[20:49:47] <artaxerxes> the day it was released and announced
[20:49:54] <wjp> yeah, me too
[20:50:05] <wjp> strange
[20:50:09] * Skutarth makes faces at all of you
[20:50:17] <-- Skutarth was kicked from #exult by Dominus (jerk)
[20:50:25] <artaxerxes> please don't
[20:50:26] <wjp> heh, you beat me to it :-)
[20:50:31] <Fingolfin> damn
[20:50:34] <Dominus> he he
[20:50:38] * Fingolfin was distracted by some PHP code writign
[20:50:39] <Dominus> na na na
[20:50:48] <artaxerxes> /kick Dominus ?
[20:50:49] * wjp was distracted by pages of valgrind errors
[20:51:02] <-- Dominus was kicked from #exult by wjp (I wanted to do that! *sob*)
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[20:51:04] * artaxerxes was too slow typing
[20:51:10] <wjp> artaxerxes: good idea ;-)
[20:51:16] <artaxerxes> ;)
[20:51:17] <Dominus> who was that?
[20:51:19] <-- wjp was kicked from #exult by Fingolfin (Fingolfin)
[20:51:19] <Dominus> :-(
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[20:51:25] <-- Fingolfin was kicked from #exult by artaxerxes (You have been kicked by a KSirc user.)
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[20:51:30] <Dominus> I guess it ws wjp then :-)
[20:51:32] <wjp> chain kicking :-)
[20:51:34] <Fingolfin> ah so much fun =)
[20:51:44] <Fingolfin> I think we left out artaxerxes
[20:51:46] <-- artaxerxes was kicked from #exult by Dominus (jerk)
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[20:51:48] <artaxerxes> EH!
[20:51:49] <Fingolfin> good
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[20:52:12] --- Topic for #exult is: Exult: an open-source engine for Ultima 7: http://exult.sf.net/
[20:52:12] --- Topic for #exult set by wjp at Thu Jul 4 20:16:33 2002
[20:52:13] <Dominus> sorry for the jerk that's the default message here
[20:52:31] <artaxerxes> no offense taken
[20:52:45] <Dominus> good
[20:52:49] <wjp> ok... lots of "invalid read"s in that explosion sequence
[20:53:05] <-- artaxerxes was kicked from #exult by Fingolfin (Fingolfin)
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[20:53:10] <Fingolfin> now I kicked twice, too
[20:53:16] <Fingolfin> so it's not anymore unfair
[20:53:27] <wjp> lots of itchy feet in here tonight :-)
[20:53:28] <artaxerxes> but wjp kicked only once!
[20:53:34] <wjp> I kicked exultbot too :-)
[20:53:35] <Fingolfin> artaxerxes: hm
[20:53:43] <Dominus> wjp: did you try one of your savegames there?
[20:53:48] <Fingolfin> hehe
[20:53:56] <wjp> no, just the attached one
[20:54:05] <wjp> ==9067== Invalid read of size 4
[20:54:05] <wjp> ==9067== at 0x80BBE94: Game_window::get_shape_rect(Game_object *) (shapeid.h:191)
[20:54:05] <wjp> ==9067== by 0x808777B: Explosion_effect::handle_event(unsigned long, long) (rect.h:82)
[20:54:11] <wjp> ==9067== Address 0x44E1E5BC is 12 bytes inside a block of size 116 free'd
[20:54:11] <wjp> ==9067== at 0x40042AC9: __builtin_delete (vg_clientfuncs.c:186)
[20:54:11] <wjp> ==9067== by 0x8178626: Egg_object::~Egg_object(void) (egg.cc:231)
[20:54:59] <artaxerxes> true
[20:55:36] <artaxerxes> btw, how do you de-ban a user ?
[20:55:49] <Dominus> good question
[20:55:50] <wjp> most irc clients should have ban list
[20:56:07] <artaxerxes> my client must really, really suck.
[20:56:17] <artaxerxes> I've got nothing of your good tools... :(
[20:56:27] <Dominus> don'T have that as well
[20:57:46] <wjp> s/most irc clients should have/xchat has/
[20:57:46] <wjp> :-)
[20:57:59] <artaxerxes> ;)
[20:58:24] <artaxerxes> ( Sending a CTCP FINGER to wjp) that's kinda rude! :)
[20:58:37] <wjp> yes, I should kick you for that :-)
[20:58:47] <-- artaxerxes was kicked from #exult by artaxerxes (artaxerxes)
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[20:58:52] <wjp> thank you :-)
[20:58:58] <artaxerxes> I deserved it! :)
[20:59:01] <Fingolfin> I can deban him here easily
[20:59:10] <Dominus> wjp: ah, I have it, so if I feel like it I can unban him
[20:59:21] <Dominus> let'S do it
[20:59:24] --- Fingolfin has changed the topic to: Exult: an open-source engine for Ultima 7: http://exult.sf.net/
[20:59:25] <Dominus> some other time
[20:59:48] <wjp> what's that undisplayable character in front of the topic?
[20:59:50] <Fingolfin> oh some other time? suits me, too :-)
[20:59:58] <Dominus> he
[21:00:16] <Fingolfin> wjp: sorry, please change back the subject line, my irc client likes to be.. funny regarding subject lines
[21:00:23] <Fingolfin> though I don't see any undisplayable chars =)
[21:00:27] <Fingolfin> obviously =)
[21:00:27] <artaxerxes> I don't see any undisplayable character !
[21:00:28] <wjp> what was the subject line?
[21:00:39] --- wjp has changed the topic to: Exult: an open-source engine for Ultima 7: http://exult.sf.net/
[21:00:59] <wjp> check the logs, btw
[21:01:09] <artaxerxes> who ?
[21:01:12] <wjp> hm, or maybe it won't show there either
[21:01:19] <artaxerxes> ?seen Skukarth
[21:01:19] <exultbot> I haven't seen skukarth lately
[21:01:26] <artaxerxes> ?seen Skukart
[21:01:26] <exultbot> I haven't seen skukart lately
[21:01:36] <Dominus> ?seen skutarth
[21:01:36] <exultbot> skutarth was kicked from #exult by Dominus at Fri Aug 9 20:50:17 2002 (GMT) (jerk)
[21:02:25] <artaxerxes> poor skutarth... are you still mad at him Dominus?
[21:02:35] <artaxerxes> ah no
[21:02:40] <artaxerxes> it wasn't him
[21:02:52] <wjp> ?seen George_Bush
[21:02:52] <exultbot> george_bush was kicked from #exult by Dominus at Fri Aug 9 20:46:16 2002 (GMT) (jerk)
[21:03:01] <artaxerxes> it was, err, IgnitusDragonn
[21:03:13] <artaxerxes> ?seen IgnitusDragonn
[21:03:13] <exultbot> I haven't seen ignitusdragonn lately
[21:03:38] <Dominus> artaxerxes:?
[21:04:11] <artaxerxes> my mistake... I mistook Skutarth for IgnitusDragonn, for which you said you are pissed at him
[21:04:28] <wjp> ugh, how do you find out which member is at offset 12 in a struct/class?
[21:04:51] <artaxerxes> count the size of the members
[21:05:05] <artaxerxes> could you please descrbe the struct ?
[21:05:13] <Dominus> artaxerxes: no, skutarth was the other spammer on the board some time ago
[21:05:15] <wjp> Egg_object
[21:05:31] <wjp> which is an Ireg_game_object
[21:05:37] <artaxerxes> side note: MSNBC has an article about OpenOffice. Link in Linuxtoday.com
[21:05:45] <wjp> which is a Game_object
[21:05:54] <wjp> which is a ShapeID
[21:06:02] <Dominus> artaxerxes: ignitus stepped a bit over the line when he said that this thing about my mother
[21:06:06] <wjp> which is a Game_singletons
[21:06:12] <artaxerxes> yeah I know
[21:06:28] <artaxerxes> that's why I asked if you were still offended or if you fogave
[21:06:52] <wjp> but it looks like it is ShapeID::shape that is referenced
[21:07:06] <artaxerxes> wjp: are they pointers or actually objects?
[21:07:09] <wjp> (not that it's really all that interesting)
[21:07:19] <wjp> artaxerxes: which are?
[21:07:30] <Dominus> artaxerxes: actually I forgave once but then he jsut couldn't leave it, now I'm a bit like "may forgive but never forget"
[21:08:12] <artaxerxes> there is no such a thing.
[21:08:35] <artaxerxes> wjp: is it Game_object * xxx ?
[21:08:47] <artaxerxes> or Game_object xxx ?
[21:09:02] <wjp> hm, by 'is a' I mean it inherits it, if that's what you mean
[21:09:41] <artaxerxes> would you mind indicating which file and which line it is in?
[21:09:52] <wjp> I already figured it out, btw :-)
[21:09:55] <artaxerxes> ok
[21:10:00] <artaxerxes> never mind then
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[21:16:16] <artaxerxes> gotta go guys! have a great week-end.. I'll try to compile exult with sound support for the zaurus over the weekend.
[21:16:27] <Dominus> great!
[21:16:27] <artaxerxes> hi Kirben, bye Kirben
[21:16:39] <artaxerxes> bye guys
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[21:17:05] <Kirben> Hi
[21:17:12] <Dominus> hi
[21:27:35] <wjp> Dominus: "You can look up the filename int the savegame dialog as well" <-- "int"
[21:27:40] <wjp> (FAQ, 4.2)
[21:28:07] <Dominus> noted, thx
[21:35:01] <wjp> also, I'm not sure if 'alltogether' and 'therefor' are correct
[21:35:11] <wjp> (but I tend to mix up the correct spelling on those :-) )
[21:35:14] <Dominus> probably not
[21:35:31] <Dominus> I have to run a spellchecker on the docs again sometime
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[22:46:16] <Dark-Star> hiya!
[22:46:36] <Dominus> hi and good night
[22:46:37] <Dominus> bye
[22:46:40] <Dark-Star> bye
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[22:50:12] <Dark-Star> is exultbot GPL?
[22:54:55] <wjp> hm, no :-)
[22:59:27] <Dark-Star> too bad ;-)
[23:10:15] <wjp> I'm still kind of planning to put the source online somewhere, but not until I remove all exult-specific stuff from the main source :-)
[23:10:30] <wjp> ...and clean it up a bit
[23:10:36] <wjp> anyway, I should be going now
[23:10:37] <wjp> 'night
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