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[03:02:00] <Zxcvb> are exult savegames supposed to be compatible across platforms?
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[03:17:28] <Colourless> i guess i should say hi
[03:20:41] <ShadwChsr> hi
[03:20:44] <ShadwChsr> sorry :)
[03:22:24] <Zxcvb> hi
[03:23:06] <Zxcvb> how different is exult 1.1 beta 1 from july 28 or so?
[03:27:56] <Colourless> a few bug fixes
[03:30:21] <Zxcvb> like the glitch when walking south to meet thoxa after the teleport storm?
[03:31:14] <Colourless> no
[03:32:16] <Zxcvb> has that even been reproduced?
[03:32:24] <Zxcvb> where the screen will be all jumbled?
[03:32:40] <ShadwChsr> I have done it
[03:33:05] <ShadwChsr> Its just a problem where if you walk south too fast the usecode gets executed in the wrong order and you don't get teleported to the right location
[03:33:14] <ShadwChsr> its jumbled because you're not on the "real" coast
[03:33:22] <ShadwChsr> just one used to do the teleport storm
[03:34:19] <Zxcvb> similar to the room where alanger gets murdered in ultima 7 (which can only be accessed via teleport)?
[03:34:33] <ShadwChsr> No idea
[03:35:01] <Zxcvb> so if you drop all your stuff before the storm, you could get it back assuming you could get to the fake teleport storm coast, right?
[03:35:21] <ShadwChsr> I guess so
[03:35:23] <ShadwChsr> except you cant
[03:35:23] <ShadwChsr> :)
[03:35:30] <Zxcvb> why not?
[03:35:40] <Zxcvb> other than you would need the hex coordinates and to enable cheating
[03:35:47] <ShadwChsr> well yeah
[03:35:52] <Zxcvb> I am assuming that coast exists somewhere
[03:35:57] <ShadwChsr> but if you cheated you could just make yourself 50 blackrock swords so who cares
[03:35:57] <ShadwChsr> ;)
[03:36:00] <Colourless> just a question
[03:36:05] <Zxcvb> just like the house of the dead and other special rooms
[03:36:11] <Colourless> (i can reproduce it btw but haven't looked into it)
[03:36:28] <Colourless> what fps setting do you have set in your game options
[03:36:56] <Zxcvb> sounds like forcing walking/running to be slower when on the fake coast would work
[03:37:48] <Colourless> that would be a hack and hacks are not acceptable solutions
[03:40:09] <Zxcvb> is time stop supposed to work in serpent isle?
[03:40:50] <Colourless> no idea
[03:41:20] <ShadwChsr> Yes
[03:41:40] <ShadwChsr> obviously they (origin) wouldn't put a spell into serpent isle that wasn't supposed to work
[03:41:40] <ShadwChsr> :)
[03:42:11] <Zxcvb> I was thinking mabye it only worked after some event
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[14:14:28] <wjp> hi
[14:14:45] <wjp> sorry about those windows version numbers...
[14:14:58] <wjp> they're in release.txt now though, so it shouldn't happen again :-)
[14:18:12] <Colourless> :-)
[14:18:12] <Colourless> np
[14:18:47] <wjp> I saw you uploaded the win32 binary, so I guess we can do a release announcement
[14:19:47] <wjp> Or maybe we should wait for Max to do a macosx package
[14:21:05] <Colourless> did you upload all the rpms?
[14:23:24] <Colourless> (meaning was it you who uploaded them)
[14:23:55] <wjp> yes
[14:24:11] <Colourless> cause if it was you, then you forgot to set the arch type and file type for like all of them
[14:24:17] <wjp> really?
[14:24:20] <Colourless> yeah
[14:24:30] <wjp> looks fine here
[14:24:37] <Colourless> that's because i set them
[14:24:44] <wjp> ah :-)
[14:25:11] * wjp wonders how that happened
[14:25:14] <wjp> I'm sure I set them
[14:25:17] <Colourless> only the source rpm was correct iirc
[14:25:38] <Colourless> the others are all Please Select One
[14:25:46] <Colourless> you didn't attempt to change all of them at the same time?
[14:25:55] <Colourless> cause you can only change one at a time
[14:26:04] <wjp> no, I did one at a time
[14:26:11] <Colourless> odd
[14:26:45] <wjp> ah well
[15:24:35] <wjp> Max is busy preparing a presentation, so MacOSX package will be delayed a bit
[15:24:50] <wjp> I just updated the homepage
[15:24:59] <Colourless> ok
[15:25:18] <wjp> hm, today isn't 28 July, is it?
[15:25:25] * wjp updates homepage again :-)
[15:25:29] <Colourless> no it's not
[15:35:10] <wjp> do you think I should hide all older releases on SF?
[15:35:15] <wjp> (except 1.0)
[15:35:57] <Colourless> not sure
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[16:35:23] <wjp> hi Max
[16:35:33] <wjp> how's the presentation going?
[16:35:53] <Colourless> hi
[16:36:08] <Fingolfin> wjp: grumpf
[16:36:10] <Fingolfin> yo folks
[16:36:45] <Fingolfin> wjp: I think I have 80+% done.... but it's not easy to time a slide presentation for 60 minutes... never done quite such a long presentation
[16:36:57] <Fingolfin> I fear I'll miss wide, either it'll take me only 30 minutes, or 1.5 hours =)
[16:37:05] <wjp> :-)
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[19:37:57] <Dominus> hi
[19:38:21] <Dominus> wjp: glad you noticed the wrong date. I noticed int eh comit mail but was only shortly online...
[19:38:51] <Dominus> somehow I thought you were going today and not tomorrow...
[19:39:02] <Dominus> to the summer camp and not the contest :-)
[19:52:43] <wjp> :-)
[20:04:06] <Matt_O> hey guys :)
[20:04:22] <Dominus> hi guy
[20:04:31] <wjp> hi
[20:46:31] * wjp hmms at "problems compiling exult with MinGW"
[20:47:08] * wjp wonders about the "after a bit of searching"
[20:47:26] <Dominus> it's not like the FAQ doesn't mention readme.win32...
[20:47:36] <wjp> weren't all necessary libraries in the snaphots dir?
[20:47:46] <wjp> he did read readme.win32 he claims
[20:47:49] <Dominus> they are
[20:50:11] <wjp> seems we replied at the same time :-)
[20:50:25] <Dominus> yeah :-)
[20:50:26] <wjp> you beat me, though :-)
[20:51:16] <Dominus> a suitable sdl is in the zip in our snapshot dir...
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[21:01:37] <Dominus> some guy developed a semi-good sounding mt32 emu in jsut a couple of weeks: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/forumdisplay.php?s=2ef2ed41815c64f59317ac31fb4545cf&forumid=29
[21:01:55] <Dominus> even got an sf site but there is nothing there yet
[21:02:55] <Dominus> homepage is http://www.artworxinn.com/alex/
[21:03:04] <Dominus> for use with dosbox
[21:13:00] <wjp> cool
[21:13:17] <Dominus> the rom is in the dosbox.zip
[21:15:32] <wjp> hm, any sources?
[21:16:00] <Dominus> it's there at the homepage
[21:16:33] <wjp> gah! he put all of it in one .h file?!
[21:17:36] <Dominus> http://vogons.zetafleet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1977 on how to compile it on linux
[21:29:57] <Dominus> doesn't want to compile for me with actual source of dosbox...
[21:30:08] <Dominus> would need to get the 0.58 source for that...
[21:32:58] <Dominus> hmm, what'S now up with my computer? suddenly (it worked a couple of days ago) my uinstall.exe of the Underworlds stops working...
[21:34:07] <wjp> impressive amount of warnings
[21:35:41] <wjp> some old LOG calls
[21:35:46] <wjp> other than that it compiles here
[21:37:07] <wjp> comment out all lines that start with "LOG("
[21:37:27] <Dominus> ok
[21:37:36] <Dominus> the compiled versions sounds great with u6
[21:38:40] <Dominus> the one he offers on the webpage...
[21:40:34] <wjp> hm, I get some weird clicking in u6
[21:40:48] <Dominus> are you sure that is not the sfx?
[21:41:19] <wjp> too rhythmic for that I think
[21:41:56] <wjp> sfx sound horrible, though
[21:41:56] <Dominus> did you start a new game or are you somewhere else?
[21:42:22] <wjp> clicking was there during the intro
[21:42:36] <Dominus> hm
[21:42:39] <Dominus> not for me
[21:43:44] <Dominus> I am still unLOGing
[21:43:54] <wjp> there's only about 4
[21:44:26] <wjp> interesting... the clicks coincide exactly with logging output
[21:44:33] <Dominus> oops I uncommented all that started with log and not with "LOG("
[21:45:10] <wjp> uncomment? no, you should comment all that start with "LOG("
[21:46:02] <Dominus> aehm , I meant out comment
[21:48:52] <Dominus> I get that:
[21:48:54] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h:890: warning: initialization of negative value `-1' to `Bit32u'
[21:48:54] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h:890: warning: argument of negative value `-1' to `long unsigned int
[21:49:12] <wjp> LOTS of those :-)
[21:49:26] <Dominus> and then
[21:49:27] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h:2248: parse error before `{' token
[21:49:27] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h:2255: parse error before `public'
[21:49:27] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h: In function `void InitTables()':
[21:49:27] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h:2628: warning: assignment to `Bit32s' from `double'
[21:49:27] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h:2628: warning: argument to `long int' from `double'
[21:49:29] <Dominus> midi_mt32.h:2706: warning: passing `double' for argument passing 1 of `int
[21:49:31] <Dominus> abs(int)'
[21:49:55] <Dominus> and a lots more until it finally aborts
[21:50:22] <wjp> you probably made an error with the LOG( just above line 2248
[22:08:48] <Dominus> hmm, I can't run uinstall outside of dosbox anymore...
[22:08:58] <Dominus> I wonder why
[22:21:38] <wjp> what's this "uinstall"?
[22:22:08] <Dominus> the installer for Underworld
[22:22:28] <Dominus> used to run inside of a windows command prompt
[22:22:46] <Dominus> now it errors out
[22:22:49] * wjp sighs and points at reply from that mingw problem
[22:23:09] * Dominus doesn't even want to look
[22:32:29] <Dominus> you won't believe what the problem with uinstall is
[22:32:44] <Dominus> my path variable was too long...
[22:33:14] <wjp> :-)
[22:33:58] <Dominus> Error No. 7...(C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\PROGRA
[22:33:58] <Dominus> ~1\Div\Hardware\Ati;C:\PROGRA~1\Div\Online\ssh;C:\PROGRA~1\Div\Online\cvs;C:\min
[22:33:58] <Dominus> gw\bin\;C:\mingw\lib;C:\PROGRA~1\Div\Curios\Java\bin\;C:\PROGRA~1\Div\Curios\Pyt
[22:33:58] <Dominus> hon;c:\PROGRA~1\Div\Curios\Vdms)
[22:34:33] <wjp> that doesn't sound overly long
[22:35:03] <Dominus> when I got rid of the C:\PROGRA~1\Div\Hardware\Ati it worked
[22:36:03] <Dominus> ridiculous
[22:36:22] <Dominus> well at least the error message kind of pointed to that
[22:36:27] * wjp has 12 dirs in his $PATH
[22:36:42] <wjp> which is about the same as you
[22:38:52] <Dominus> something to remember when someone reports a similar problem in some forum or usenet
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[22:48:15] <wjp> hi again
[22:48:23] <wjp> thanks for doing the macosx binary even though you're busy
[22:48:36] <Dominus> yep, thanks and hi
[22:48:41] <Fingolfin> hehe wellll
[22:49:01] <Fingolfin> when I have to do something I really really really don't like, I tend to do other things that stacked up because I don't like doing them (but I don't dislike them as much as the task at hand)
[22:49:04] <Dominus> the things one does to not do the things he *should* do
[22:49:12] <Fingolfin> e.g. like cleaning the dishes, cleaning my room, making exult binary builds, etc. =)
[22:49:13] <wjp> I know the feeling :-)
[22:49:24] <wjp> did you include data/exultmsg.txt? :-)
[22:49:25] <Fingolfin> also finally cleaned up the mess below my desk, something I wanted to do for 3 (!) years now ;-)
[22:49:32] <wjp> wow :-)
[22:49:40] * wjp looks at the mess under his desk
[22:49:50] <wjp> only been there for a month or two so it can wait :-)
[22:49:52] <Fingolfin> wjp: yes. which reminds me, didn't you want to add a list of files-that-should-be-in-a-release somewhere? e.g. maybe release.txt?
[22:50:08] <wjp> yeah, probably :-)
[22:50:11] <Fingolfin> wjp: well I mostly mean: cable mess. like lots of cables going around randomly, preventing any cleaning actions
[22:50:15] <Dominus> don'T look at my desk, all sorted out (but then I only moved here about 6 months ago...
[22:50:25] <wjp> oh, that mess :-)
[22:50:40] <wjp> 3 years sound about right for that
[22:50:56] * wjp wonders why there's a floppy lying between the cables
[22:51:03] <Fingolfin> wjp: so now, I put screws into the well, which means the DSL splitter, telephone connector box, and the multiple socket outlet now are attached to the welll... I also removed some cables which turned out to be not connect to anything on both ends ;-)
[22:51:18] <Fingolfin> Dominus: yeah, my desk looks really nice now, too =)
[22:51:29] <wjp> not connected on either end? uh.. :-)
[22:51:40] <wjp> maybe they were.. uh.. shielding the other cables? :-)
[22:51:40] <Dominus> he he
[22:52:14] <wjp> Dominus pointed me at a mt-32 emulator someone's writing... pretty cool :-)
[22:52:28] <Fingolfin> yeah I have been following that one for a couple months now
[22:52:54] <Fingolfin> while it's muuuch better than it used to be now, it's still, uhm, crappy :-) compared to a real MT32 I mean. it's still an amazing feat
[22:52:55] <wjp> with the current level of CPU usage in exult it should easily fit in :-)
[22:53:02] <Fingolfin> i.e. when I say "crappy" I doN't want to make it bad, it just needs a lot more work
[22:53:04] <Fingolfin> heheh
[22:53:14] <Matt_O> how dare you call it crappy! :)
[22:53:27] <wjp> I get really annoying clicking while it's playing the U6 intro
[22:53:43] <Dominus> and I don't get them :-)
[22:53:44] <Fingolfin> hrm, what was the URL to it again? I think it was one of those URLs that I had on my iBook... <sigh>
[22:53:47] <wjp> I'm using it with dosbox cvs not 0.58 like I'm supposed to, though
[22:53:53] <wjp> http://www.artworxinn.com/alex/
[22:54:21] <Dominus> and a lot of discussion with the author about this: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/forumdisplay.php?s=2ef2ed41815c64f59317ac31fb4545cf&forumid=29
[23:00:35] <wjp> Dominus: mingw problem fixed... :-)
[23:02:22] <Fingolfin> Dominus: yeah I was actually always looking at the forum :-)
[23:03:40] <wjp> Dominus: grrr... you beat me again ;-)
[23:03:46] <Dominus> he he
[23:04:03] <wjp> we do seem to agree a lot, though :-)
[23:05:28] <Dominus> imagine us writing two totally different things :-)
[23:06:05] <wjp> wjp: you should do A. Dominus: whatever you do, don't do A!. :-)
[23:06:17] <Fingolfin> wow the MI music now is audible! i.e. no blood coming from my ears anymore =)
[23:06:42] <wjp> in dosbox/mt32 you mean?
[23:06:53] <Dominus> I really enjoyed the intro music of u6
[23:07:57] <wjp> hm, I have the CD version of MI1... does that have mt-32 midi too or only cd audio?
[23:08:23] * wjp spots a roland.ims
[23:46:17] <wjp> hm, it's rather late
[23:46:29] <Fingolfin> is it? =)
[23:47:17] * Fingolfin wonders how 2 weeks worth of email will stack up
[23:47:44] * wjp wonders the same thing for one week
[23:47:50] <Dominus> I got a lot in the beginning of june
[23:47:58] <Dominus> 90 % was spam
[23:49:31] <wjp> anyway, time to go
[23:49:45] <wjp> I might pop in for a bit tomorrow morning (or not :-) )
[23:50:05] <wjp> see you in a week :-)
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