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[09:19:04] <servus> Mmm
[09:19:11] <servus> Finally found that bleedin' song, after so many years
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[14:31:49] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
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[15:24:42] <ElleVeeDee> Ganges.
[15:25:42] <wjp> Mississippi?
[15:26:45] <ElleVeeDee> Denial?
[15:27:20] * ElleVeeDee considers mentioning Joan Rivers or River Phoenix... but decides not to.
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[18:43:59] <Baastuul> Hi, sbx. :)
[18:47:23] <sbx> Hi, Baastuul.
[18:47:28] <sbx> Liking Beyond Divinity any more?
[18:48:06] <Baastuul> Yeah, it's starting to get somewhat addicting.
[18:48:13] <Baastuul> I just wish the addiction jumped out and grabbed me like Divine Divinity did.
[18:49:37] <sbx> Do you get to go outside?
[18:49:44] <sbx> Explore a large world
[18:51:15] <Baastuul> You can enter a place called the Battlefields which are pretty big. It's mainly just a place you can go to if you're feeling bored of being cooped up in a dungeon all the time.
[18:51:38] <Baastuul> You can enter pretty low-level dungeons in the battlefields and kill lots of skeletons and stuff and pick up lots of loot.
[18:52:13] <sbx> Is it just hack-n-slash?!
[18:52:28] <sbx> I'd get tired of that.
[18:53:04] <Baastuul> It's actually turn-based.
[18:55:24] <sbx> It sounded like Divine Divinity had more places to explore
[18:56:04] <Baastuul> Yeah, Beyond Divinity is a bit more linear (as far as the main plotline goes).
[18:56:11] <Baastuul> The Battlefields aren't as linear, though.
[18:57:52] <sbx> I'm going to try Arcanum.
[18:58:04] <Fl00der> there are hookers in arcanum ;)
[18:58:17] <Fl00der> you can get involved sex with sheep even :D
[18:58:21] <sbx> err
[18:58:33] <Fl00der> that's only one thing what you can do in arcanum :D
[18:58:34] <sbx> Baad avatar
[18:58:36] <Fl00der> hehe
[18:59:10] <sbx> I never knew anything about it until recently, when I read that it has a mix of technology and magick, and it's made by three people who worked on Fallout. That's enough reasons for me to try it.
[18:59:18] <Baastuul> I played the Arcanum demo and didn't really like it.
[18:59:29] <Fl00der> sbx: world is biggest what I have seen in RPG's
[18:59:42] <Fl00der> in own way biggest....
[18:59:56] <sbx> well the description did say it takes 3 hours to walk across
[19:00:02] <sbx> Baastuul: what didn't you like?
[19:00:07] <Baastuul> Biggest world I've seen so far is either Morrowind's or Sacred's.
[19:00:29] <Baastuul> Sbx, I played it a few years ago, so it's a little hard to remember. But I think I disliked the way it handled, felt kind of clumsy. Too much to get to know in the interface? Not really sure.
[19:01:00] <sbx> I'd prefer to hide the interface but it looks like it has a big control panel like Fallout.
[19:01:10] <Fl00der> in arcanum people go to sleep and collect stuff if you drop it to ground, it's most close rpg to ultima, I think
[19:01:45] <sbx> On some webforum recently someone mentioned Morrowind and said they thought it was the first large-world non-linear RPG. Ignorant fools!
[19:01:49] <Baastuul> You can do that in Divine Divinity, Beyond Divinity, Morrowind... lots of other ones :)
[19:01:58] <Baastuul> FOOLS@
[19:01:59] <Baastuul> !!!
[19:02:02] <Fl00der> :D
[19:02:22] <Baastuul> Although I am curious as to why in RPGs your character never has to go use the bathroom!
[19:02:30] <Fl00der> hehe
[19:02:46] <Fl00der> have you seen even a toilet in RPG's?
[19:02:48] <sbx> Fallout is one of the first RPGs I played that has toilet seats.
[19:02:51] <Fl00der> well there are in deus ex...¨
[19:02:53] <sbx> But you can't use them.
[19:03:12] <Baastuul> Ahahaha
[19:03:12] <Baastuul> http://the.taoofmac.com/space/blog/2004-08-08
[19:03:21] <sbx> Other games have them. In MGS you can flush the urinals.
[19:03:30] <Baastuul> The first game I ever played that allowed you to mess with toilets was Duke Nukem 3D.
[19:03:40] <Fl00der> I was about to say that too :)
[19:03:44] <sbx> oh yeha
[19:03:47] <sbx> I remember that now
[19:03:55] <sbx> I ain't afraid of no Quake.
[19:03:55] <Fl00der> even enemies used them :O
[19:04:21] <Baastuul> I liked opening the toilet stalls to see an alien taking a dump and then blasting him with the shotgun.
[19:05:04] <sbx> There was an SNES game True Lies where you'd encounter bad guys standing in front of the stalls at various bathrooms.
[19:05:17] <sbx> Pretty much like Duke nukem 3D.
[19:05:29] <Baastuul> I can't find my Duke Nukem 3D CD. :9
[19:05:30] <Baastuul> :(
[19:05:50] <sbx> me neither
[19:06:01] <sbx> but my Duke It Out in DC expansion pack is nearby
[19:07:16] <sbx> It's probably best that you don't have to go to the bathroom in games. :)
[19:09:06] <Baastuul> haha
[19:09:21] <Fl00der> ah, my steak is ready, yammy :P -->
[19:09:37] <Baastuul> I can imagine it like in Ultima 7 where the characters walk around saying "I am a little bit hungry" and "I'm famished" and all that, instead they say "I gotta take a dump" and "I REALLY HAVE TO GO NOW!"
[19:10:00] <sbx> *mumbles* wow that site is slow
[19:10:08] <sbx> hehe
[19:10:52] <sbx> and you see "Ho Hum" coming from the other side of the bathroom door
[19:11:15] <Baastuul> hehehe
[19:11:22] <Baastuul> "Oh, my aching back."
[19:11:28] <Baastuul> could be "Oh, my aching bowels."
[19:12:38] <sbx> see? better to leave it out
[19:13:49] <Baastuul> hehehe
[19:20:15] <Fl00der> in divine divinity npc says also "Ho Hum" like in U7 :P
[19:20:38] <Fl00der> mmm...steak was gooood
[19:21:08] <sbx> Yet another reason to get Doom3? Hello Kitty! ...thanks for the link
[19:21:28] <sbx> A lot of people wanted a flashlight but I don't think that's what they had in mind. Sort of changes the mood.
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[19:22:09] <servus> I have *never* seen an NPC say Ho Hum in Ultima
[19:22:14] <sbx> hi Sevalecan
[19:22:29] <Sevalecan> hi
[19:22:45] <Fl00der> servus: I can't believe it :P
[19:22:50] <Sevalecan> servus, I know ive seen it happen in one of the ultimas :o
[19:23:01] <Fl00der> I see it everytime when I play ultima7 :)
[19:23:02] <servus> And I've beat Ultima 7 repeatedly!
[19:23:21] <Fl00der> even batlin says ho hum
[19:23:44] <servus> Maybe in your crazy versions of U7.
[19:23:48] <Fl00der> hehe
[19:24:14] <Fl00der> just go to next to him and wait, he will eventually say it :)
[19:24:42] <servus> Oh wouldn't that be joyous :P
[19:25:00] <Fl00der> :)
[19:25:40] <Sevalecan> servus: just stand by an npc, it will happen ;)
[19:26:02] <Fl00der> yea
[19:26:26] <servus> I'll put that on my list of things to do before I die, between to hanggliding and riding a unicorn :P
[19:26:34] <Fl00der> hehe
[19:28:45] <servus> Anyway, I found out the name of a song I've been looking for for 7 years.
[19:28:48] <servus> So, yay.
[19:28:56] <servus> No, it wasn't "Stones".
[19:29:18] <Fl00der> :)
[19:29:25] <Fl00der> what is it then?`
[19:29:36] <sbx> Sea Shanty?
[19:29:44] <Fl00der> fellowship theme?
[19:30:24] <servus> Spiritualized - Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space... it was in Vanilla Sky, for instance, but not on the soundtrack... it was in a New Bug (the car) commercial... Et cetera
[19:31:00] <servus> In its entirety, it's a pretty impressive song. Kinda makes the Beatles look like hacks, but the rest of the album isn't as good :P
[19:31:42] <Fl00der> do you know this about stones song?: http://www.joxter.de/stones.htm
[19:31:50] <sbx> I like the Gerudo Valley music, from Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
[19:32:17] <sbx> Fl00der: yeah I read the lyrics before
[19:32:24] <Fl00der> ok
[19:33:07] <sbx> isn't joxter a character from Xena?
[19:33:31] <Fl00der> well gotta go watch TV now -->
[19:33:34] <Fl00der> see ya
[19:33:38] <sbx> bye
[19:37:00] <servus> Mmm, Xena :">
[19:37:09] <servus> bye
[19:40:16] <sbx> The earlier episodes were better. Not the earliest ones but after season 2.
[19:40:46] <sbx> And after Gabriel got the two-piece outfit and some skills.
[19:43:09] <Sevalecan> hehe
[19:55:27] <Sheng_Gradilla> ah, toilets :)
[19:55:35] <Sheng_Gradilla> I remember a game, Blimpo Warrior
[19:55:42] <Sheng_Gradilla> a Dragon Warrior parody
[19:56:55] <Sheng_Gradilla> it had a huge bathroom at some town, with a huge bath tub obviously, and the NPC next to it remarked that it was the only bathroom in all the world
[19:56:57] <Sheng_Gradilla> and it was
[19:57:56] <Sheng_Gradilla> and about actually interacting with toilets in RPGs, I remember FF6
[19:58:08] <Sheng_Gradilla> there are useable toilets
[19:58:18] <Sheng_Gradilla> not a mandatory thing, though
[19:58:19] <sbx> hmm
[19:58:21] <sbx> yes!
[19:58:24] <sbx> at Ghestal's palace
[19:58:28] <Sheng_Gradilla> indeed
[19:58:39] <sbx> nice catch, i forgot about that
[19:59:02] <Sheng_Gradilla> and in Blimpo warrior, there are toilets at prisons
[19:59:11] <Sheng_Gradilla> in every cell
[19:59:24] <sbx> is it a PC game?
[19:59:28] <Sheng_Gradilla> yes
[19:59:30] <Sheng_Gradilla> for DOS
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[20:00:55] <Sheng_Gradilla> I remember a cell where some prisoner is in the toiled, dumping, and another prisoner is yelling for help, saying something like "he's going to explode!! Let me out!!"
[20:01:32] <sbx> lol
[20:02:03] <Sheng_Gradilla> ah, here it is :)
[20:02:06] <Sheng_Gradilla> http://www.verge-rpg.com/files/detail.php?id=12
[20:02:22] <sbx> In Earthbound an SNES RPG you can knock on a cell door at the police station (which is right beside the bathroom door) and a voice will say "Someone's in here! ... Just kidding, the restroom is the next door over."
[20:02:22] <Sheng_Gradilla> made by my good friend Ramón Mújica aka Spram
[20:02:48] * sbx looks
[20:03:13] <sbx> verge rpg?
[20:03:26] <Sheng_Gradilla> yes
[20:03:39] <Sheng_Gradilla> Vecna's Extraordinary Roleplaying Game Engine
[20:03:44] <Sheng_Gradilla> VERGE
[20:06:39] <sbx> vecna wizard?
[20:07:28] <Sheng_Gradilla> I guess he made the nickname from that
[20:07:46] <Sheng_Gradilla> Vecna aka BJ Eirick
[20:09:34] <sbx> hehe ok, thought the name sounded familiar
[20:10:28] <sbx> oh, he plays a character in U6Online
[20:11:54] <Sheng_Gradilla> really?
[20:12:10] <Sheng_Gradilla> so many people use the nickname Vecna that it's hard to tell
[20:12:42] <sbx> oh
[20:12:46] <sbx> no idea then
[20:12:52] <sbx> somebody with that name
[20:14:02] <wjp> Vecna is a somewhat famous name :-)
[20:14:08] <Sheng_Gradilla> I stuck my mom's maiden name at the end of my nickname to make it unique
[20:14:26] <Sheng_Gradilla> and I have not changed it
[20:14:46] <sbx> Sheng or Gradilla?
[20:15:01] <Sheng_Gradilla> I am Sheng Long Gradilla
[20:15:09] <Sheng_Gradilla> Gradilla is my mom's maiden name
[20:15:29] <sbx> oh so you used it for your dragon name too :)
[20:15:49] <Sheng_Gradilla> this IRC network allows too short names :(
[20:16:17] <Sheng_Gradilla> yes, I used it for my UD name too
[20:16:44] <Sheng_Gradilla> in fact, Long means dragon
[20:17:00] <Sheng_Gradilla> Sheng means Life
[20:17:10] <Sheng_Gradilla> unlike Shen, which means God
[20:17:42] <wjp> hm, which language? Chinese or something?
[20:17:47] <Sheng_Gradilla> chinese
[20:18:03] <Sheng_Gradilla> it is my warrior name
[20:18:21] <Sheng_Gradilla> my father in law's warrior name is Cheng
[20:18:26] <Sheng_Gradilla> it means Lightning
[20:27:40] <wjp> something like http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~wpalenst/unicodetest.html ? :-)
[20:28:47] <Sheng_Gradilla> yes, that reads Sheng Long
[20:29:07] <Sheng_Gradilla> but the symbol on the right is not the one
[20:29:27] <Sheng_Gradilla> it means Dragon too, but that's not the dragon from my warrior name
[20:29:41] <wjp> that one? (reload)
[20:30:19] <sbx> Gyuu!
[20:31:27] <sbx> oops
[20:31:32] <sbx> Ryuu!
[20:31:40] <sbx> :p
[20:31:44] <wjp> yeah, that's the japanese reading :-)
[20:33:38] <Sheng_Gradilla> yes, that's the one
[20:34:00] <Sheng_Gradilla> and the first symbol's japanese reading is Sei
[20:34:58] <wjp> seiryuu... hmm... that rings a bell
[20:35:27] <Sheng_Gradilla> it looked strange to me at first, so I went to look it up on the dictionary
[20:35:53] <Sheng_Gradilla> but then I increased the font size, and it looked right
[20:36:10] <Sheng_Gradilla> bad antialias
[20:36:29] <sbx> I always have to do that.
[20:36:39] <wjp> yeah, the 'look' jumps around a bit when I increase/decrease font sizes here too
[20:37:15] <wjp> the rightmost part especially
[20:42:50] <sbx> wjp: Seen Yuyu Hakusho?
[20:43:12] <wjp> no
[20:43:56] <sbx> I think one of the enemies in it was named Seiryuu.
[20:45:12] <sbx> And Fushigi Yuugi? But I've never seen that.
[20:45:20] <wjp> yes... Fushigi Yuugi
[20:45:55] <wjp> I'm fairly sure one of the gods from FY was called Seiryuu
[20:46:22] <Fl00der> back
[20:46:23] <sbx> I got that one from a Google search, and then I remembered the demon in YuYu Hakusho. :)
[20:46:28] <sbx> wb
[20:46:31] <Fl00der> wb?
[20:46:56] <Sheng_Gradilla> welcome back
[20:46:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> wb
[20:47:03] <Fl00der> ah. :)
[20:47:09] <Fl00der> well thanks :)
[20:47:12] * Sheng_Gradilla is away: No estoy
[20:47:15] <sbx> yw
[20:47:59] <Fl00der> so you played arcanum?
[20:49:39] <Fl00der> hmm..deep silence :P
[20:50:40] <sbx> who?
[20:50:43] <wjp> were you asking anybody in particular? :-)
[20:50:47] <Fl00der> sbx
[20:50:54] <sbx> no
[20:50:56] <Fl00der> mmmkay
[20:51:00] <sbx> havn't aquired it yet
[20:51:03] <Fl00der> ah
[20:51:17] <Fl00der> I got it right away when it was released :)
[20:51:39] <sbx> when was that?
[20:52:08] <Fl00der> around 2001
[20:52:24] <Fl00der> 2001 but date / month cant remember :)
[20:52:31] <sbx> is it true that it has lots of bugs and bad performance?
[20:52:54] <Fl00der> hmm...haven't seen any bugs that disturbs me
[20:53:27] <sbx> almost forgot...
[20:53:34] * sbx adds Arcanum to his video-games-to-play list.
[20:53:34] <Fl00der> and what you mean by bad perfomance?
[20:53:39] <Fl00der> :)
[20:54:56] <sbx> just in one of the reviews
[20:55:20] <Fl00der> http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/arcanumofsteamworks/
[20:55:23] <Fl00der> metascore 81
[20:55:27] <Fl00der> it's pretty good score :)
[20:56:06] <Fl00der> in arcanum there is so much to do and so much ways to solve quests
[20:56:16] <sbx> "...even with a few problematic bugs, visual shortcomings, and occasional choppy performance, Arcanum is a delightful RPG with plenty to offer..."
[20:56:47] <sbx> it didn't go into more detail
[20:56:52] <Fl00der> mmmkay
[20:57:04] <sbx> what does the world map (if there is one) look like?
[20:57:14] <Fl00der> well, IMHO it's good game
[20:58:02] <sbx> the woman on the box is kind of creepy looking
[20:58:32] <sbx> it looks like the front of a fantasy novel
[20:58:32] <Fl00der> at least 12 cities in arcanum :)
[20:59:04] <Fl00der> yes
[20:59:05] <sbx> does it have like a world map on a different scale or is it like ultima?
[20:59:11] <sbx> ultima7
[20:59:24] <Fl00der> it's in different scale
[20:59:48] <Fl00der> http://arcanum.sierra.com/
[20:59:50] <Fl00der> world map
[21:00:16] <Fl00der> the world > Geogrphy
[21:01:13] <sbx> thanks
[21:01:28] <Fl00der> no problem
[21:02:06] <sbx> The Home of the Wheel?
[21:02:18] <Fl00der> wandering there is more like BG, you have some locations but in nonlinear way, you can walk but distance is very much so you can traver point a from b using world map and there comes random encounters
[21:02:44] <Fl00der> hmm..hope u understand some part of my explanation
[21:03:06] <sbx> yeah
[21:03:06] <sbx> is there time limits?
[21:03:12] <Fl00der> time limits?
[21:03:17] <Fl00der> in fight?
[21:03:28] <sbx> no to finish a quest
[21:03:35] <sbx> and you have to do it in x game days
[21:03:43] <Fl00der> well haven't seen that yet
[21:03:46] <sbx> and travelling the world takes time
[21:03:49] <sbx> ok
[21:04:11] <sbx> hey it's just an island :)
[21:04:25] <sbx> I want to zoom in.
[21:05:07] <Fl00der> you can watch it closer in game :P
[21:05:53] <sbx> that Darton fellow sounds like a pirate
[21:06:10] <Fl00der> info, spoiler, help page of arcanum: http://www.rpgplanet.com/arcanum/
[21:06:31] <Fl00der> includes zooming world map with locations
[21:07:03] <Fl00der> look fast and erase memory ;)
[21:07:07] <sbx> Is it a spoiler to see the map zoomed in?
[21:07:08] <sbx> lol
[21:07:34] <sbx> I won't look then.
[21:07:41] <Fl00der> well there you can see where is located some city or location, I dunno, sort of spoiler
[21:08:02] <Fl00der> in arcanum you can traver/wander and find new locations to go, cities, mines, etc. :P
[21:08:09] <Fl00der> it's so nonlinear game that you can't imagine :D
[21:09:48] <Fl00der> there is heel/good meter, and techonology/magic, which side you are more, :)
[21:10:11] <sbx> heel?
[21:10:28] <Fl00der> btw, you can open that page it's not direct link to world map, there are some info, spoilers, tips, also
[21:10:37] <Fl00der> heel = bad
[21:10:37] <Fl00der> :P
[21:10:39] <sbx> ok
[21:10:43] <sbx> oh
[21:11:09] <sbx> CDAccess.com (site Gradilla pointed me to) has it for $19.95
[21:11:11] <Fl00der> in fights you can choose either realtime or turn-based :P
[21:11:35] <sbx> really
[21:11:38] <sbx> how is the multiplayer?
[21:11:38] <Fl00der> yes
[21:11:46] <Fl00der> never played that one
[21:12:09] <sbx> hey where do you live?
[21:12:21] <sbx> after I get it we will try multiplayer
[21:12:37] <sbx> though I don't even know what it is
[21:13:30] <Fl00der> ok
[21:13:37] <Fl00der> I live in Europe, Finland
[21:13:50] <Fl00der> and you sbx?
[21:14:09] <sbx> Oklahoma, US
[21:14:12] <Fl00der> ok
[21:14:15] <sbx> just hope the latency to central US isnt so bad
[21:14:33] <Fl00der> nice day there right now?
[21:14:55] <sbx> well there's no clouds at all
[21:14:59] <sbx> I like it better raining :)
[21:15:12] <Fl00der> it's night here :P, 0:15
[21:22:25] * Sheng_Gradilla is back (gone 00:35:12)
[21:25:07] <sbx> wb
[21:27:43] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
[21:38:34] <wjp> time to go; good night
[21:40:30] <sbx> bye
[21:40:33] <Fl00der> night
[21:40:44] <Baastuul> Gute nacht.
[21:40:52] <Fl00der> :)
[21:41:19] <Fl00der> german I guess
[21:41:24] <Sevalecan> 'night
[21:41:45] <Fl00der> bastuul: 10 points and ultima 9 dragon edition pack for free? :P
[21:42:21] <Baastuul> 10 points
[21:42:22] <Baastuul> ?
[21:42:31] <Fl00der> nvm :P
[21:42:39] <Baastuul> :p
[21:42:47] <Baastuul> I wish I had a copy of the Ultima IX Dragon Edition.
[21:42:49] <Fl00der> :)
[21:42:52] <Fl00der> me too
[21:42:59] <Fl00der> it'
[21:43:06] <Fl00der> it's on the list to get before die
[21:43:17] <Baastuul> hehehe
[21:44:20] <Sheng_Gradilla> I have it
[21:44:23] <Sheng_Gradilla> huge box :)
[21:44:25] <Fl00der> :O
[21:44:27] * Fl00der drools
[21:44:31] <Sheng_Gradilla> does not fit anywhere
[21:44:40] <Fl00der> stop torturing me :P
[21:44:45] <Sheng_Gradilla> what's so special about Dragon Edition?
[21:45:11] <Fl00der> ultima 9 + all ultimas + something more?
[21:45:16] <Baastuul> Soundtrack.
[21:45:20] <Fl00der> ah, even that
[21:45:35] <Fl00der> I have only bought ultima 7 of all ultimas :/
[21:45:41] <Fl00der> it's complete ultima 7 pack tho
[21:46:07] <Sheng_Gradilla> the only songs worth listening are the first two on the CD
[21:46:18] <Sheng_Gradilla> the UC CD is nice
[21:46:32] <Fl00der> :P
[21:46:45] <Sheng_Gradilla> I got it just in time, before my floppy disks wore off
[21:47:40] <Sheng_Gradilla> the ankh included with Dragon Edition is too small
[21:47:50] <Sheng_Gradilla> barely an inch tall
[21:48:14] <Fl00der> oh
[21:48:44] <Sheng_Gradilla> and the cloth map just shows you how lame and small the world is
[21:49:23] <Sheng_Gradilla> it is nicely done, but the U9 world keeps looking small
[21:49:27] <Fl00der> lol
[21:49:36] <Fl00der> but it's cloth map still
[21:49:55] <Sheng_Gradilla> and the signed letter from Lord British has a printed signature
[21:50:06] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's not actually signed
[21:50:16] <Fl00der> but it's still signature
[21:50:17] <Fl00der> hehe
[21:50:42] <Sheng_Gradilla> the poster is ok, but the guardian's fingernails don't match with what they look like in other Ultimas
[21:52:50] <sbx> guardian's fingernails?
[21:52:56] <sbx> heh
[21:52:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> in the poster
[21:53:04] <sbx> how about his teeth? :)
[21:53:10] <Sheng_Gradilla> >:)
[21:53:40] <Sheng_Gradilla> the entire guardian does not match with the one from previous Ultimas
[21:54:01] <Fl00der> true
[21:54:04] <Sheng_Gradilla> not even the most simple part: the eyes
[21:54:11] <Sheng_Gradilla> they are not orb-like in U9
[21:55:35] <Fl00der> I know, I have completed U9
[21:57:28] <Sheng_Gradilla> Do EA keep releasing CD-ROM Gold Classics?
[21:59:15] <Sheng_Gradilla> they could make a good buck by re-releasing the UC and paying for advertising at remake sites and such
[22:00:09] <Fl00der> yes
[22:00:09] <Sheng_Gradilla> they could even fill the remaining space with Underworld I and II, Savage Empire and Martian Dreams
[22:00:22] <Fl00der> that would be nice
[22:01:21] <Sheng_Gradilla> or they could bundle it with their new expansion of UO
[22:01:54] <Sheng_Gradilla> if they want to attract old fans so badly
[22:02:17] <sbx> I never even played UO
[22:02:19] <Sheng_Gradilla> that new expansion will include a new continent, Lands of the Feudal Lords from Ultima I
[22:02:34] <Sheng_Gradilla> the one where Barataria and Rondorin are located
[22:02:58] <Sheng_Gradilla> by the name "Lands of the Feudal Lords" they decided to make it into an oriental land
[22:03:08] <Fl00der> mmmkay
[22:03:10] <sbx> haha
[22:03:19] <sbx> I guess it's an interesting concept
[22:03:23] <sbx> but Feudal could be anything
[22:03:36] <sbx> whats the name of the area that Shamino is from, that reappeared in SI?
[22:03:38] <Sheng_Gradilla> with samurais, ninjas and asian folklore monsters
[22:03:48] <Sheng_Gradilla> Lands of Danger and Despair
[22:03:51] <sbx> oh yeah
[22:04:27] <Sheng_Gradilla> by Feudal Lord, they took it as Daimyo
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[22:06:51] <Sheng_Gradilla> what they yet have to do is add Serpent Isle and Lands of the Dark Unknown and we have the whole Sosaria back to one piece :P
[22:07:25] <sbx> but you have Felucca and Trammel right?
[22:07:30] <sbx> couldn't even go there in ultima
[22:07:58] <Sheng_Gradilla> those are facets
[22:08:15] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's exactly the same continent, but a different facet or dimension
[22:08:43] <Sheng_Gradilla> two alternate "realities"
[22:09:25] <sbx> oh
[22:09:29] <sbx> but can't you go between them?
[22:09:40] <sbx> like somebody on the good one wants a thief GM they go to the bad one
[22:10:18] <Sheng_Gradilla> yes
[22:10:32] <Sheng_Gradilla> you can go between facets through the moongates
[22:11:41] <sbx> that's kind of weird anyway
[22:11:53] <Sheng_Gradilla> yea
[22:11:55] <sbx> why don't they just stick to canon?
[22:12:01] <Sheng_Gradilla> :P
[22:12:11] <Sheng_Gradilla> in one facet, you can attack players
[22:12:15] <Sheng_Gradilla> in the other you can't
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[22:12:25] <Sheng_Gradilla> and you can't steal from players either
[22:12:43] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's the moron quakers' fault
[22:12:51] <Sheng_Gradilla> they keep playing UO as if it were Quake
[22:13:02] <sbx> lol
[22:13:06] <sbx> i saw a comic about that
[22:13:16] <Sheng_Gradilla> so the designers looked for a way to isolate them from those who actually want to play the game the way it's meant to
[22:13:55] <sbx> Roleplayer meets PKers in the woods: "Hail good sir. May I assist thee?" PK: "OLOL stfu NOOB U DIE NOW"
[22:14:13] <Sheng_Gradilla> yea, that kind of morons
[22:14:16] <Fl00der> :D
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[22:15:03] <sbx> well is Britannia seperate from them? what's its rules like?
[22:15:40] <Sheng_Gradilla> both Felucca and Trammel are Britannia
[22:16:05] <Sheng_Gradilla> Felucca and Trammel are just a "label" for the two facets or dimensions
[22:16:52] <Sheng_Gradilla> in one of the facets, the system does not allow you to attack other players nor steal from them
[22:17:30] <sbx> yeah that's what I thought but wasn't sure
[22:17:35] <sbx> what do you play?
[22:17:39] <sbx> mostly
[22:17:42] <Sheng_Gradilla> they added new continents
[22:17:51] <Sheng_Gradilla> Ilshenar and Malas
[22:18:22] <Sheng_Gradilla> both have only one facet
[22:18:30] <Sheng_Gradilla> the player-friendly one
[22:18:53] <Sheng_Gradilla> I don't play UO anymore
[22:18:53] <sbx> you can loot thieves?
[22:18:59] <sbx> oh
[22:19:09] <Sheng_Gradilla> I used to hang around in the player-friendly facets
[22:19:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> I don't like to be killed by some random moron
[22:21:29] <sbx> can't you level up and defend (maybe with a team) or do they cheat?
[22:25:12] <Sheng_Gradilla> that can be done, but that's not the point
[22:25:44] <Sheng_Gradilla> the point is: why do I have to bother? What if I want to be a non-fighting character?
[22:26:12] <Sheng_Gradilla> it's not a fighting game after all
[22:27:25] <Sheng_Gradilla> and it's not easy nor fast to build up skills
[22:27:41] <sbx> its not a fighting game except in the PK facet :)
[22:27:48] <Sheng_Gradilla> it takes a great deal of time
[22:28:39] <Sheng_Gradilla> heh, there were lots of comments about the facets thing
[22:28:57] <sbx> Those skilled people must buy their characters from someone or get someone to train them. (or have lots of time to waste)
[22:29:05] <Sheng_Gradilla> it was said that the addition of the facets made lots of players leave because it sucked and stuff
[22:29:28] <Sheng_Gradilla> I guess the ones that left the game were those that enjoyed plundering other players and ruining their fun
[22:29:59] <Sheng_Gradilla> meal time
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[22:41:24] <Fl00der> sleep time
[22:41:26] <Fl00der> night
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[22:41:51] <Baastuul> Night :)
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[22:47:55] <Sheng_Gradilla> :)
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