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[06:32:35] <sbx> hello
[06:33:23] <Darke> Hi.
[06:34:40] <sbx> How are you today Darke?
[06:38:54] <sbx> What are you up to today Darke?
[06:39:49] <Darke> Not too bad and not much. *grin*
[06:40:12] <sbx> Good to see! *grin*
[06:40:19] <sbx> Which Powerpuff character are you?
[06:40:20] <sbx> http://www.valvigirl.net/quizzes/ppgquiz.html
[06:40:36] <sbx> Powerpuff Girls
[06:40:46] <sbx> :D
[06:45:01] <sbx> oh lilo` just said he was going to clean up Oz
[06:47:47] * Darke is so tempted _not_ to do that quiz. *grin*
[06:47:53] <sbx> NOo!
[06:48:07] * sbx is so tempted to stop acting immature.
[06:48:24] * Darke snickers and hopes lilo does a good job of it. *grin*
[06:50:47] <Darke> http://www.valvigirl.net/quizzes/professor.html *blinkie*
[06:51:39] <sbx> http://www.valvigirl.net/quizzes/bubbles.html
[06:51:58] <sbx> but i expected you would get professor
[06:52:22] * Darke preens.
[06:53:16] <sbx> now i send you a song to go with your results
[06:53:52] * Darke snerks.
[06:56:01] <sbx> 3
[06:56:01] <sbx> 2
[06:56:02] <sbx> 1
[06:56:11] * sbx snerks.
[06:58:23] * Darke still thinks that show is so very, very sad. *grin*
[06:58:51] <sbx> Why then, do you grin?
[07:00:02] * sbx egrins.
[07:00:09] * Darke iGrins.
[07:00:18] <sbx> ...
[07:00:26] <sbx> so anyway!...
[07:00:29] <sbx> this is unrelated but cute...
[07:00:34] <sbx> http://www.hamtaro.com/home.html
[07:00:42] * sbx shrugs.
[07:00:56] <sbx> they aren't rabbits though, i can't help that :P
[07:01:30] <Darke> Yeah, I've seen that. *grin*
[07:01:51] <Darke> It looks sickeningly cute. I might have to try and watch an episode. *grin*
[07:02:06] <sbx> i think its like the smurfs
[07:02:09] <sbx> but with hamsters
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[07:02:27] <sbx> actually i dont know but im guessing
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[07:02:43] <sbx> ...because they live together in a big hole
[07:03:04] <sbx> except hamtaro who lives in a cage
[07:03:23] * Darke noddles. Certainly sounds smurflike.
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[07:19:36] <wjp> morning
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[07:20:16] <sbx> hi
[07:20:46] <Darke> Hi.
[07:21:33] * Darke considers making time relative to those who are arriving/leaving. That way greetings will make sense, in theory. *grin*
[07:21:50] <wjp|work> :-)
[07:22:43] <sbx> Darke: Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
[07:25:01] * Darke decrees that time is relative.
[07:26:19] <wjp|work> Google Uaebu, Google Imaaji, Google Guruupu, Google Jiirekutori <-- lol :-)
[07:26:29] * wjp|work just loves how the japanese convert english to katakana :-)
[07:26:41] * wjp|work is catching up on some old channel logs, btw
[07:26:59] * Darke also decrees that fruit flies like a banana.
[07:27:14] * Darke ehs?
[07:27:19] <wjp|work> 'a' banana? do you have a specific banana in mind?
[07:27:42] * sbx cheers and dances in the street, throwing flowers at everyone.
[07:27:58] <Darke> Nah. The pun would work if I specified one in particular. *grin*
[07:28:04] <Darke> s/would/wouldn't/
[07:28:42] <sbx> ..."fruit flies like the banana."
[07:29:00] <sbx> ..."fruit flies like a banana."
[07:29:09] <sbx> oh i get it
[07:29:11] <wjp|work> ..."fruit flies like bananas."
[07:29:18] * sbx stares blankly at Darke.
[07:29:19] * wjp|work still doesn't get it
[07:29:33] <wjp|work> oh...
[07:29:35] <wjp|work> duh
[07:29:54] * wjp|work slaps Darke around a bit with a large banana
[07:29:54] * Darke giggles.
[07:29:59] <sbx> heh
[07:30:00] * Darke yelps!
[07:30:51] <Darke> It's not my joke, just an old pun, "Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana." *grin*
[07:31:53] <sbx> not surprisingy, "banana" borrowed into japanese is, "banana"
[07:32:48] <sbx> but Google Banana would just be strange
[07:34:33] <sbx> ごうぐるばなな
[07:40:48] <wjp|work> hm, your irc client supports japanese?
[07:41:04] <wjp|work> mine just shows garbage :-(
[07:43:36] <sbx> mine doesn't show anything :-(
[07:44:16] <wjp|work> hm, there is a "Kanji locale <=> JIS translation" option in my xchat
[07:45:04] <sbx> i copypasted it
[07:45:23] <sbx> the only japanese channel i've been in doesn't allow those characters anyway
[07:45:30] * Darke 's shows nothing also.
[07:48:02] <sbx> Darke has his distro name in his VERSION
[07:48:23] * Darke does?
[07:49:07] <sbx> probe yourself and see
[07:49:17] <sbx> :-)
[07:49:27] * Darke did. That's interesting. *grin*
[07:49:54] <Darke> Kernel version anyway. Which means it's probably suboptimal from a security perspective. *grin*
[07:50:29] <sbx> gentoo has a custom kernel?
[07:51:17] <Darke> Yeah. It just installs the base kernel, then patches it with a few different things, security and addition file system patches are the two obvious ones I remember.
[07:51:28] <Darke> s/addition/additional/
[07:52:57] <sbx> what file systems do you have?
[07:54:50] <Darke> I've only got ext2, ext3 and vfat compiled in IIRC. But there's xfs, reiserfs, hpfs, ntfs and a dozen other file systems potentially supported. I can't remember which are in the default kernel though. *grin*
[07:56:35] <sbx> sounds good
[07:56:47] <sbx> slackware 8.0 has reiserfs available but i want to try xfs
[07:59:54] <Darke> There's also a 'crypto' kernel, a 'vanilla' kernel, a 'xfs' specific kernel (don't know what the difference is), and 'sparc' and 'ppc' specific kernels too. Along with a few others I'm not sure about. *grin*
[08:01:32] <sbx> depends on what your box is gonna do
[08:01:42] <sbx> crypto kernel = hardcore data security applications and database server, xfs kernel = gentoo multimedia workstation, vanilla kernel = ice cream vending machine
[08:02:06] <sbx> and the others are for processors of course :)
[08:05:01] <Darke> Yeah. It's the 'mjc', 'ksymoops', 'openmosix', 'usermode', etc. directories inside the sys-kernel directory that are puzzling me. *grin*
[08:08:57] <sbx> mjc=MJ-C the alternative to C# (parts of the kernel patches must be coded in this), ksymoops=Kernel OOPS! explanations, openmosix=The Open MJ-C Operating System Interface, usermode=Modes of operation for Userspace programs
[08:15:08] * Darke ahhs. Thanks.
[08:19:27] <sbx> No problem. My knowledge of Gentoo astounds even me!
[08:20:04] * Darke snickers.
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[08:58:35] <Darke> For those wishing to invest in a really, really, REALLY nice set of headphones: http://www.sonystyle.com/home/item.jsp?hierc=9688x8746x8756&catid=8756&itemid=40825&type=o *drool*
[09:47:40] <sbx|ppg> roflmao
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[09:47:56] <sbx> b
[09:49:51] <sbx> hey those are pretty good
[09:49:59] <sbx> s/good/expensive/
[09:50:03] <sbx> those headphones
[09:50:08] <sbx> i mean
[09:50:24] <Darke> Yep. *grin* And they look very 'good' too, as well as expensive.
[09:50:25] <sbx> that Infrared Cordless(R) Digital Surround Headphone System
[09:50:47] <sbx> i just dont think...
[09:50:48] <sbx> i would...
[09:50:53] <sbx> ever have that :)_
[09:51:08] <sbx> heh
[09:51:10] <sbx> "as low as $14.86/42 pmts"
[09:51:25] <sbx> payments on headphones... neat :)
[09:52:05] <sbx> "featuring Gyro head tracking which creates a realistic sound"
[09:54:18] * Darke has IR headphones, they're neat. The 5.1 surround and that gyro thing are what he'd acquire them for.
[09:56:31] * sbx has plastic headphones with fuzzy covers on the ear thingies and a cord.
[10:00:36] * Darke giggles.
[10:03:38] <sbx> gyaa
[10:04:10] <sbx> and i just started a music file playing very loudly without plugging them in :P
[10:04:15] <sbx> and i just started a music file playing very loudly without plugging them in :P
[10:04:24] <sbx> oops
[10:06:18] * Darke snickers.
[11:17:37] * Darke bows and departs off to bed. Night!
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[11:17:48] <sbx> bye
[11:25:51] <Darke|afk> As I disappear, I will leave with you an advert for Ultima Online, from Gamespy: http://adcontent.gamespy.com/ea/EA_ultima_personal_wild-sky_Jun_02.gif My only comment is that it would appear that OSI has just discovered the phrase, "Sex sells". *grin*
[11:26:11] <sbx> Woo! :P
[11:26:13] <wjp|work> lol
[11:27:45] <Darke|afk> I wonder how quickly this link will get posted to the forums by a lurker. *grin* Or someone actually in the channel.
[11:27:52] * Darke|afk really disappears now. *grin*
[11:29:10] <sbx> ...or me
[11:30:02] <wjp|work> :-)
[11:33:37] <Darke|afk> Bad sbx! Bad, bad sbx! Go sit in the corner! *grin*
[11:33:44] * Darke|afk is really gone. Really!
[11:34:08] <sbx> "Baaaad Avatar!"
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[13:04:29] <Colourless> hmm hi
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[13:26:05] <sbx> hi
[13:26:25] <wjp|work> hm, hi?
[13:26:55] <Colourless> hi
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[15:03:12] <wjp|work> wallop: One Australian leaf server has pinged out. Fairly small user count.
[15:03:14] <wjp|work> *grin* :-)
[15:03:32] <Colourless> seems to have missed me
[15:03:53] <Colourless> because i'm not connected to au.openprojects.net it seems
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[15:59:41] <wjp> time to go home
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[16:01:11] <sbx> bye
[16:01:24] <sbx> oh he is gone already
[16:01:36] <Colourless> yes he is :-)
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[16:24:43] <sbx> hi Kharzette
[16:24:49] <Kharzette> gmorning :D
[16:25:00] <Colourless> hi
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[16:30:07] <wjp> hi
[16:30:10] <sbx> hi
[16:30:27] <Colourless> wb
[16:30:33] <wjp> thx
[16:36:22] <sbx> can a flow chart have combinations from two blocks that merge into one block?
[16:36:49] <wjp> what kind of flow chart?
[16:37:06] <wjp> I'm usually quite pragmatic about these things... if you need it, use it :-)
[16:37:14] <sbx> description of BlackBox user pool :)
[16:37:30] <wjp> these charts exist to make things clearer, not to lock you into a strict framework, I guess
[16:38:03] <sbx> [Newbies]------( + )-------[Docs], then a branch from the ( + )------->[Happy Users]
[16:38:14] <wjp> lol
[16:39:31] <wjp> Colourless: problem with the chicken overdose seems to be that they're created by an auto-reset, party-near egg. So it gets triggered for every party member
[16:39:43] <wjp> (Jeff's comment in the bug report)
[16:40:07] * sbx remembers that but didn't know it was a bug because he was cheating anyway.
[16:40:57] <Colourless> i don't think you can do a flow chart with 'newbies' and 'docs' like that
[16:41:29] <sbx> actually i was going to add a question
[16:41:33] <sbx> did you RTFM?
[16:41:40] <sbx> Yes -> Happy User
[16:41:47] <Colourless> i would have though you'd do [newbies] --- if read docs ---> [Happy Users]
[16:42:16] <sbx> yeah sounds good
[16:42:17] <sbx> :-)
[16:43:02] <Colourless> you'd then also have something like [newbies] --- it not read docs ---> [annoying users]
[16:43:12] <Colourless> s/it/if/
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[19:20:46] <wjp> hi
[19:20:52] <sbx> hi
[19:20:54] <Colourless> hi
[19:21:17] <Fingolfin> hi
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[20:25:44] <sbx> hi Kharza-kzad
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[20:34:03] <wjp> morning
[20:34:10] <Kharza-kzad> gday
[20:34:10] <sbx> hi
[20:34:22] <Darke> Morning.
[20:34:50] * sbx gives Darke a fresh cup of $favorite_morning_beverage.
[20:37:05] * Darke drinks $favourite_morning_beverage.
[20:37:12] <wjp> uh oh...
[20:37:27] <wjp> is that language US/UK-insensitive? :-)
[20:37:36] <sbx> :-O
[20:37:52] <wjp> or US/AU, in this case, I guess :-)
[20:38:10] <Darke> It is now. *grin*
[20:40:46] <Darke> And yes, I do tend to provide synonyms for things like 'ColorPalette' as 'ColourPalette' by typedefs/defines if a library doesn't provide them for me. *grin*
[20:40:59] * sbx gives Darke a very expensive "Fav'rite Morning Beverage Making Machine" with control buttons to switch between the [US/AU/UK/MISC] English Language settings. "Enjoy!"
[20:42:26] <sbx> Darke: i did that for at least one library, in the opposite direction
[20:42:30] <sbx> :P
[20:42:36] <wjp> lol
[20:42:46] * Darke snickers.
[20:43:42] <Darke> The Allergo Game Library actually had a synonym of 'Palette' misspelled 'Pallete' too, because the writer originally thought that was the correct spelling, IIRC. *grin*
[20:44:12] <sbx> Allegro
[20:45:34] <Kharza-kzad> There were tons of misspellings in teh golgotha source
[20:45:47] <wjp> we had 'reagants' for ages
[20:45:52] <Kharza-kzad> the lead programmer used emacs and tab completed everything so he didn't notice
[20:46:08] <Darke> Kharza-kzad: Yeah. That I noticed. *grin*
[20:46:10] <Kharza-kzad> map->GetTerrianHeight() was a classic
[20:46:21] * Darke laughs.
[20:46:24] * sbx laughs.
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[20:48:19] <Wumpus> anyone awake?
[20:48:26] <sbx> maybe
[20:48:34] * Wumpus grins
[20:48:45] <sbx> hi
[20:48:47] <Wumpus> any idea where i can find some info on the comparative merits of the slew of open source licenses?
[20:49:05] <wjp> hm, the EU just released a report on it, I think
[20:49:14] <sbx> FSF says they all have none except the GPL
[20:49:24] <sbx> and that its not "open source"
[20:49:27] <sbx> but you knew that :)
[20:49:30] <Wumpus> 'they all have none'
[20:49:32] <Wumpus> ?
[20:49:36] <sbx> no merits
[20:49:46] <Wumpus> oh, heh
[20:50:28] <Wumpus> wjp- hmm... know anything more about that?
[20:50:35] <Fingolfin> http://www.kainx.org/journal/?view=20020708
[20:50:38] <Darke> Wumpus: None I can think of.
[20:50:38] <wjp> one of the top /. stories
[20:50:41] * Wumpus will poke around a bit more seriously tomorrow... too tired to engage brain properly tonight
[20:51:27] * Wumpus grins, thanks fingolfin and wjp
[20:51:33] * sbx hisses at slash-dot.
[20:51:34] <Fingolfin> hm?
[20:51:37] <Fingolfin> that link was not for Wumpus =)
[20:51:44] <Wumpus> it wasn'T ?
[20:51:47] * Wumpus hasn'T got to it yet
[20:51:47] <Fingolfin> it was for the usual channel crowd =)
[20:51:55] * Fingolfin reads what Wumpus wants
[20:52:23] <Fingolfin> no idea about OSL comparisions, but check out http://opensource.org/ if you haven't already
[20:52:35] <sbx> hmm i was talking about lilo earlier about star wars
[20:52:39] <sbx> he seemed nice enough
[20:53:34] <Fingolfin> so far I had mostly nice encounters with lilo, too
[20:53:45] <Fingolfin> but you should read the discussion log
[20:53:56] <sbx> i dont have word wrap :-(
[20:54:03] <Fingolfin> the point is, so far I only had talks with lilo about completly unpolitical things (like Starwars is :-)
[20:54:33] <Wumpus> you're saying stars wars isn't political? :-)
[20:54:52] <Wumpus> you obviously haven't met some of the more... enthusiastic... people I know :)
[20:55:11] <sbx> eh, actually i never talked about star wars with him
[20:55:17] <sbx> i told him a stupid joke and he responded
[20:55:18] <sbx> thats it
[20:55:22] * sbx goes and sits in the corner.
[20:55:27] <Wumpus> hehe :-)
[20:55:48] <sbx> (but still not mean political guy heh)
[20:56:03] * wjp only talked to him briefly while OPN was being hit by that bunch of spammers
[20:57:09] <sbx> or just mean
[20:57:11] * sbx shrugs.
[20:57:21] <sbx> this is difficult without word-wrap
[21:03:06] * Wumpus finally errativally makes it to bottom of the lilo stuff... hmm
[21:03:36] <Wumpus> but nothing more than hmm at this time... heh
[21:03:47] <sbx> [2243 msg(lilo`)] There will be a #E on OPN as long as it continues to be prudent for us as a project.
[21:03:49] <sbx> [2243 lilo`(email@example.com)] I'm sorry, that's not the case
[21:03:51] <sbx> Ho ho ho
[21:05:16] <wjp> [2227 lilo`(firstname.lastname@example.org)] I'm sure you weren't speaking for me, that would be rather contentious of you
[21:05:17] <wjp> *grin*
[21:15:25] <Fingolfin> he
[21:24:23] * Wumpus blinks owlishly
[21:25:22] <Wumpus> it all seems to be a lot of wind over not all that much, but oh well, I haven'T had anything much to do with lilo, heh. Read: Anything other than various global notices (and I suppose I wasn'T around for the ones that seem to have started this)
[21:25:23] <Wumpus> oooh well
[21:25:42] <Wumpus> it succesfully kept me up rather longer than i had intended :-)
[21:25:56] <Wumpus> g'night all :-)
[21:25:59] <sbx> night
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[21:27:06] <sbx> aah its on again
[21:27:07] <sbx> bbs
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[21:32:45] * Fingolfin notices Terminator 3 and LotR: The Two Towers trailers and wanders off to watch 'em
[21:33:09] * wjp grumbles a bit about not having quicktime... *sigh* :-(
[21:33:47] <Fingolfin> muwahaha
[21:33:51] <Fingolfin> *cough* erhm
[21:33:57] <Fingolfin> in theory I could export this to MP4 ...
[21:34:10] <wjp> ...but? :-)
[21:35:00] <Fingolfin> .... but I haven't tried that yet and I dunno if you can then play it back and we can try it if you like once I downloaded it
[21:35:15] <wjp> sure, I'll be happy to try ;-)
[21:35:50] <wjp> hm, it isn't SVQ1 I guess?
[21:37:21] <Fingolfin> T3 trailer is boooring, but the movie is scheduled July 3rd 2003 so ... it reflects in the trailer =)
[21:37:22] <Fingolfin> not sure
[21:47:01] <Fingolfin> it is SVQ3
[21:47:08] <Fingolfin> and it doesn't want to allow me to export it... grmbl
[21:47:17] <Fingolfin> claims the movie isn't allowed to be saved <sigh>
[21:47:29] <wjp> ack
[21:47:35] <wjp> DRM...
[21:47:57] <Fingolfin> "this movie does not allow saving". I wonder how hard it is to hack around it (like, setting a bit somewhere in the movie or so =)
[21:48:01] <wjp> I wonder if there's a single license bit :-)
[21:48:04] <wjp> hehe, indeed :-)
[21:51:48] <Fingolfin> as usual the LotR trailer is cool
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[21:57:45] <sbx> b
[21:57:54] <wjp> wb
[21:57:59] <sbx> ty
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[22:50:55] <wjp> argh... way too late again
[22:51:05] <wjp> night :-)
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[22:51:18] <sbx> bye
[22:51:22] <sbx> oh he is gone already
[23:21:07] <sbx> Darke: your distro has a package tracker?
[23:24:15] <Darke> Something similar, package submissions and corrections are done by a bugzilla bug tracking system, and the main package 'tree' is just a rsync mirror of all the .ebuild text files. The actual source is normally downloaded from the original webpages of each program.
[23:24:29] <sbx> but its source
[23:24:35] <sbx> i mean
[23:24:37] <sbx> ebuild text files
[23:24:41] <sbx> what do they do?
[23:26:44] <Darke> It's a description of how to install the package. Like a rpm build file, except it's independant of an actual binary. It's a plain shell script, IIRC.
[23:26:55] <sbx> can i see one?
[23:27:06] <Darke> Just a sec and I'll find one and dcc it.
[23:29:19] <Darke> This one is one I just 'fixed' to support gcc3.1. It's relatively simple.
[23:30:04] <sbx> I thank thee.
[23:30:56] <sbx> does gentoo have "rename"?
[23:32:40] <sbx> and is this a regular sh script? if so then inherit and need-kde must be gentoo applications?
[23:33:04] <Darke> Yes. Though I've never used it until just then. *grin* It looks like it comes in the util-linux package.
[23:34:15] <Darke> Not really. It's an interpreted script, there's a few keywords that are used to handle dependancies and such, but I think everything inside the 'functions' are shell scripts. I could be wrong though, I've only really hacked others into working, rather then writing my own. *grin*
[23:34:33] <sbx> slackware has "rename (1) - Rename files"
[23:34:34] <sbx> ooh
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[23:35:07] <sbx> this is really... nice
[23:35:18] <sbx> but if the site goes down, your package has failed!
[23:35:50] <sbx> why not "META_URI=", and then ALTERNATE1, ALTERNATE2, ETC ?
[23:36:09] <sbx> or s/ALTERNATE/DIRECT_DL/
[23:36:42] <sbx> and META_URI could be the location of a file that lists its own DIRECT_DLs
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[23:37:40] <Darke> If which site goes down? The one to download the package from? You can specify alternates, and there's inbuilt fallovers to general ftp sites to acquire source packages from. But you can always download it yourself, drop the tarball into the /usr/portage/distfiles directory and it won't even blink. *grin*
[23:38:20] <sbx> i suppose
[23:40:46] <sbx> kinda takes more typing though :)
[23:41:03] <Darke> Eh? How do you mean?
[23:42:13] <sbx> i dont know
[23:42:31] <sbx> instead of "install this package", you gotta do "install this package, and look here if its MIA"
[23:42:47] <sbx> and then wait for it to check the other sites if its not in either of those
[23:43:03] <Darke> But when was the last time you had that happen to you?
[23:43:11] <sbx> Hmm...
[23:43:23] <sbx> You know what, I can't think of any time that happened! :-)
[23:43:44] <sbx> It's been a while since I've used Gentoo anyway.
[23:43:56] <Darke> That happens regularly, it switches from the 'local' mirrors back to the main site to download a package if I've been too quick in updating things. I had that happen to me when I updated kde to 3.0.2. *grin*
[23:44:04] <sbx> ...oh yeah ive never used it
[23:44:28] <sbx> hmm
[23:44:41] <sbx> but if all else fails you are forced to "manually drop this tarball here"
[23:44:48] <sbx> so much typing
[23:45:15] <Darke> I mean, if a site is down, it's down. If it's down permanantly you alter the .ebuild script to point to a new website that happens to have it, submit it to the bug tracker and then it'll be committed within 24ish hours for everyone to use.
[23:45:54] <sbx> Alter the .ebuild script? Are you mad?? I'm an end-user doctor not a package builder miracle worker!
[23:46:05] <Darke> I've never had to manually drop a tarball anywhere. You seem to be fixated on an extrememly degenerate case that I've never seen happen. *grin*
[23:46:36] <Darke> Considering you have to compile your own kernel with your own options, maintaining a package once in a blue moon is trivial in compaison. *grin*
[23:47:22] * sbx raises his arms to the sky and screams, "Oh will we ever learn?!"
[23:48:01] <Darke> Of course, if you just download the 160Meg install cd, it has it's own kernel prebuilt, but that's cheating. *grin*
[23:48:03] <sbx> "It was Earth! It was Earth all along! You animals!"
[23:48:27] <sbx> yeah
[23:49:15] <sbx> i've been known to cheat in Exult, so who knows *shruggrin*
[23:49:21] <sbx> so how stable is gentoo would you say?
[23:50:17] <Darke> As stable as any other linux distro. *grin*
[23:51:07] <sbx> but you said it uses gcc>3
[23:51:18] <sbx> possible many undiscovered bugs
[23:51:26] <sbx> wouldn't you say?
[23:51:28] <sbx> (being on the ML)
[23:51:36] <Darke> Your choice is 2.9.x, 3.0.x or 3.1.
[23:51:49] <sbx> eh heh
[23:52:02] <sbx> what is the x in 2.9.x?
[23:52:07] <Darke> IIRC the default it still 2.9.x, I use 3.0.x and next install I'm going to upgrade to 3.1.1, which is coming out about the 15th of this month.
[23:52:33] <Darke> Urk 2.95.x, can't remember what the 'x' is, I haven't used in ages. A moment.
[23:52:43] <sbx> i have .3
[23:53:23] <Darke> .3 it looks like.
[23:53:55] <Darke> It's dead anyway, so I don't see it incrementing any more. *grin* 3.0.4 is more then stable enough for almost any purposes, the kernel compiles fine with it.
[23:54:05] <sbx> nadir said they still update it
[23:55:07] <Darke> It's officially unmaintaned and they've refused to accept patches that fix things with it since I've been on the bugs ML.