#exult@irc.freenode.net logs for 9 Jul 2005 (GMT)

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[08:37:18] <Jammet> =^_^= Meow.
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[10:18:10] <SB-X> hi Jammet
[10:18:24] <Jammet> Meow! =^_^=
[10:19:39] <SB-X> did you finish SI yet?
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[10:22:07] <Jammet> =( No.
[10:22:14] <Jammet> I will start over at some point.
[10:22:40] <SB-X> at what point?
[10:22:44] <SB-X> :)
[10:22:51] <SB-X> how far did you get anyway?
[10:25:49] * Jammet sighs a little.
[10:25:59] <Jammet> Exactly the point where you know I was last.
[10:26:05] <Jammet> Sowwy.
[10:26:33] <Jammet> I wanted to continue sometime ago but I had totally forgotten what all happened to actually get there.
[10:26:48] <Jammet> And so - again - I'll start over so I don't forget everyone's name and all.
[10:27:06] <Jammet> =^_^= Let's not talk about that! Mew! It's emberassing.
[10:27:32] <SB-X> no problem
[10:27:43] <Jammet> =) Thank you...
[10:27:46] <Jammet> How are you?
[10:27:49] <SB-X> fine
[10:27:50] <SB-X> tired
[10:28:06] <SB-X> there is a post on exult forum about making the claw isle plot in SI
[10:28:15] <Jammet> I'm just about to get rid of the last few traces of a summer pneumonia.
[10:28:18] <SB-X> which involves cat people in case you didnt know
[10:28:24] <SB-X> huh>?
[10:28:28] <SB-X> how?
[10:28:41] <Jammet> Well, I'm relaxing and purring here at home. =)
[10:28:53] <Jammet> Cool =^_^=. Cat people.
[10:29:13] <Jammet> Didn't even know it was called Claw isle now.
[10:29:47] <SB-X> i think it is
[10:29:56] <SB-X> you can't get to it because they don't let you use the ship
[10:30:43] <Jammet> Well, I struggled quite a bit some time ago to find the island and all. At least I was there, once. Was looking for =^_^= me, but couldn't find. But it was fun anyway.
[10:30:55] * Jammet ho-hops.
[10:32:08] <SB-X> there is a hidden teleporter that goes there but I dont remember where, I think its in monitor
[10:32:15] <SB-X> and someone posted a map of the entire place once
[10:35:12] * Jammet nodnoddles sweetly.
[10:35:20] <SB-X> whats a ho-hop?
[10:35:36] <Jammet> A small jump and another bigger jump. =)
[10:36:05] <SB-X> oh
[10:36:12] <SB-X> it sounded kind of like that
[10:36:34] <SB-X> but you also couldve been stuttering, had to ask
[10:36:42] <Jammet> Right =) no problem.
[10:36:57] * Jammet feels very hungry and thinks about what to do with the rest of the day.
[10:37:06] <Jammet> I'm still to relax and get all healthy.
[10:37:12] <Jammet> But it's soooo boring.
[10:37:52] <SB-X> im hungry too
[10:38:17] <SB-X> but I only ate a few hours ago
[10:38:34] <SB-X> have you thought of making something with exult studio?
[10:39:27] <Jammet> Actually yes, I have. I just never became good enough with handling it's interface and everything. I'm sure it's made to be easy to use, but I'm dumber than most people I guess.
[10:39:50] <SB-X> probably not, just have to read the docs :)
[10:39:55] <Jammet> =^_^= I've wanted to try and put a normal cat in there that would be me. Have my piccie and my dialouge tree.
[10:40:03] <SB-X> i remember that
[10:40:08] <SB-X> thats what most of the topics on exult forum are about now
[10:40:18] <SB-X> editing the game
[10:40:51] <Jammet> I know. Normally I read docs ... if they are to the point. They don't have to explain why something works the way it does. Not to me.
[10:41:48] <Jammet> I've always had this problem, even with man pages. They all explain in-detail loads of things I'm not looking for. All I ever needed are the switches, the order of parameters, and then at least one real example (no placeholders!) for each possible use.
[10:42:33] <Jammet> I learn be example. Just one little example like, "How to make a character that has a schedule, has dialouge, and inventory".
[10:42:54] <SB-X> there is now a site with exult studio tutorials and examples
[10:42:57] <Jammet> It's extremely difficult for me to pick things up if there's no example.
[10:42:58] <SB-X> usecode examples
[10:43:27] <Jammet> I don't know this usecode thingy at all.
[10:43:54] <Jammet> It's more or less the guts of the game. And the studio is there so I won't have to fiddle with that... right?
[10:44:12] <SB-X> no, exult studio wont edit npc conversations
[10:44:34] <Jammet> Well, if it's just conversations I might be able to grasp that.
[10:44:36] <SB-X> that's what usecode does, besides object/shape functions
[10:44:44] <SB-X> http://esguides.com/
[10:44:54] <SB-X> just found it, linked on exult's page :)
[10:45:37] <Jammet> Okay...
[10:45:47] <Jammet> I'll look at it =).
[10:46:43] <Jammet> Thank you so much for showing me that. Just please don't expect me to be able to swallow all that info. I might still be unable to learn it. It's complicated. Very. Not to people who know how it's done. Not to you, perhaps.
[10:47:11] <Jammet> I'll try and read some of that and see if I can - somewhere in there - find one of the ends that one is supposed to pick up with zero knowledge.
[10:47:43] <SB-X> you're welcome
[10:48:10] <SB-X> don't know how to navigate that site myself
[10:48:30] <SB-X> probably supposed to start with usecode for dummies
[10:48:58] <Jammet> I'm on that page. Woah it's long.
[10:49:21] <Jammet> With text files (bones).
[10:50:04] <SB-X> the examples would be the patches already available for download
[10:50:16] <SB-X> but im not sure you'd understand them with zero knowledge beforehand
[10:50:33] * Jammet nods. I fear I won't. I'm looking inside some of them. Gibberish to me.
[10:51:35] <Jammet> Absolute gibberish, I must admit. I will not understand this unless I go into detail a lot. And that's exactly was I didn't want to do, hence the Studio idea.
[10:52:05] <SB-X> Do you see any actual Exult Studio guides on that site? It looks like all usecode to me.
[10:52:18] <SB-X> I guess the tutorial explains how to use ES to make the NPC.
[10:52:37] <SB-X> didn't read it
[10:52:58] <Jammet> The guides menu for the studio is currently empty.
[10:53:23] <Jammet> But hey, I don't blame anyone or anything... it's not made for someone who's lazy or someone with just a simple task in mind.
[10:53:40] <Jammet> People want to create worlds, remember? I'm probably the only one who'd simple put a character in one of them.
[10:53:55] * Jammet meows softly. I'll be fine. Even without.
[10:54:39] <SB-X> the tutorial just says how to make an npc
[10:54:53] <SB-X> the one on that long page
[10:55:13] <Jammet> That's what I want. I know. I just looked at that. Found it was too complicated. Way to.
[10:55:49] <SB-X> are you going to wait until ES has a point-and-click dialogue editor?
[10:56:09] <SB-X> and i don't even know why I said point-and-click, not sure what that means
[10:56:56] <Jammet> It goes to great lengths to explain me -why- things are the way they are. And I don't care. A simple but complete sceletal file with bogus name and bogus everything is what I need. An example. I want a Mr.Nobody file. One that works if you used it right at that point. I don't need anything else. I can change some things, start the game, see changes, giggle, learn by doing.
[10:56:57] <SB-X> but I mean more like something where you choose dialogue trees and type in them, connect them together
[10:57:04] <SB-X> and it automatically compiles the conversation usecode for you
[10:57:13] <SB-X> ah k
[10:57:46] <Jammet> I probably don't need point and click for dialouge, but I'll wait until there's something like a character sheet that you can take, fill out, chose coordinates, and tadada, you're done.
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[11:00:25] <Jammet> I also don't know if I'm actually supposed to do this. I came up with this silly idea myself and basically just imposed myself to be on that island because it's such a fun thing to do. But it's not my decision to make and all. I would've been just totally happy if there was a normal generic cat that would have a name 'Jammet' instead of just 'cat'. That alone would've made me very happy. =^_^=
[11:00:47] <Jammet> Anyway, mew. =) Thank you very much for showing me. I'll bookmark that and look at things more. But now I gotta eat...
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[11:05:10] <SB-X> I thought the cat was named Jammet.
[11:06:28] <SB-X> bout time I went to sleep
[11:06:38] <SB-X> cya
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